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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    How much video quality do you really need though?

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    there is a significant number of people who prefer watching an LP to buying or playing through the relevant game, Henroid, you'd be surprised

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    The question still stands. :P

    I think there's some people who will understand streaming video doesn't necessarily kick out the greatest, sharpest resolution. But whatever.

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Well, the time to encode and upload is variable, but I don't actually have to be present for those parts to process. Playing and editing are pretty fixed in terms of time, so what it really comes down to is let a bunch of computer resources be used for a couple of hours for a regular video or 4-5 hours for a really nice video. And even when I'm uploading/encoding, I can still use my computer for a few other things without much trouble.

    So making HD video really doesn't add any personal extra time spent on each set, only automated machine time. I probably wouldn't do it for every game, but a game like Crysis does actually benefit from the HD quality. The difference in effort for me is pretty minimal.

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Henroid wrote: »
    The question still stands. :P

    I think there's some people who will understand streaming video doesn't necessarily kick out the greatest, sharpest resolution. But whatever.

    that's normally why they don't stream, they preload or download

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Yeah, I've even got a decent connection and whenever I watch someone else's LP, I always let the whole set preload a bit. I hate getting paused right in the middle of a video because something or other gets stuck.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    What I was getting at was having high-quality for the sake of high-quality. For me there exists a plain where "detailed enough" runs wild, allowing text to be read and things in the footage not be a garbled mess, while also not being a super-high quality that more or less extends to... nothing.

    Besides, aiming for 'detailed enough' extends a hefty handshake to people who are on net connections behind data-caps.

    It's a courtesy thing in a way. But anyhow.

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    In that case, 720 is more than adequate for anything but the tiniest text. 480 might even do for games with decent-sized text.

    However, one upside of Youtube is the viewer can select whatever quality they want. So yeah, I upload Crysis vids with the goal being 1080 at the top end, but people can go all the way down to 280. Of course, you can't really see anything at 280, but the option is still there. So the having videos at 1080 on Youtube really doesn't hurt anybody and, if anything, gives people more options to choose from based on preference and internet connection.

    The major downside being having to wonder if you'll get caught up in some secret purge, but that's why I keep backups.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I'd definitely have more to say in terms of actual numbers and such if I was uploading stuff myself, but I know what I'd be aiming for.

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    holy balls transcoding takes forever

    once I'm done with that and encoding, LP thread will be live, though

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I don't know how well-off your system is, but a big time-saver for me is uploading and encoding at the same time. Encode the first video, start uploading it, get the second video encoding, and so on. Cuts the time my computer spends occupied in half or thereabouts.

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I don't know how well-off your system is, but a big time-saver for me is uploading and encoding at the same time. Encode the first video, start uploading it, get the second video encoding, and so on. Cuts the time my computer spends occupied in half or thereabouts.

    wait

    you can transcode and upload a video at the same time?!

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Thread's live Henroid

    whenever you get a chance if you could update kthnx

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Rent wrote: »
    I don't know how well-off your system is, but a big time-saver for me is uploading and encoding at the same time. Encode the first video, start uploading it, get the second video encoding, and so on. Cuts the time my computer spends occupied in half or thereabouts.

    wait

    you can transcode and upload a video at the same time?!

    I mean finish transcoding/encoding one video, start uploading that very same video, and then transcode/encode the next video. So while you're finishing the transcoding/encoding on the second video, the first video is well underway for uploading. Cuts down on the total downtime of your computer since you run both processes at the same time and they both use different aspects of the system.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    PM me for updates to the thread.

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    Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity What a lovely day for tea Secret British ThreadRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Not a whole lot of Screenshot LPs anymore are they

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Ran a small update on the list. And I'm sorry I've slacked on this, real life has been, uh, taxing, so my free time is just like "FUCK I WANNA PLAY SHIT." Anyway, I dug out a list of yellow-status stuff to see what the deal is with them.

    Dragon Force
    by Hematophillia -- screenshot -- unknown
    Indigo Prophecy
    by Xtarath -- video -- restarted?
    La-Mulana
    by Gennenalyse Rueben -- video -- unknown
    Legend of Zelda, like, all of them
    by various forumers -- video -- unknown
    Master of Orion 2
    by Salvation 122 -- screenshot -- unknown
    Shining Force 2
    by Henroid -- screenshot -- commitment fading
    Super Robot Wars W
    by Pata -- screenshot -- unknown
    Tomb Raider Underworld
    by surrealitycheck -- video -- tech. difficulties
    The Way
    by Page- -- video -- on hold

    Shining Force 2 I can explain; I take it the intrigue of the whole thing died off so I might just kill it. All the other things in the list I need to take the time to find out what happened, or you guys can just like, let me know if you know.

    Also I found out tonight that links in my sig were all screwed up. That was embarrassing to have to fix.

    And before anyone points it out yeah I'm gonna get the Wizards & Warriors LP added to the list even though I forgot to as of this post. Remember to PM me updates needed.

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    as a general rule, henroid, I think six months is pretty much as long as you should wait before changing an lp's status to "dead"

    because seriously, there's no excuse to go anywhere near that long without either an update or an explanation for why the hell there's no updates

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    AdusAdus Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Henroid wrote: »

    Shining Force 2 I can explain; I take it the intrigue of the whole thing died off so I might just kill it. All the other things in the list I need to take the time to find out what happened, or you guys can just like, let me know if you know.

    Quitter.

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    okay yeah seriously, most of those threads are almost a year old

    stick a toe tag on those threads becuz dey be dead

    ed: hmm, Pata just updated, so that's in-progress I guess

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Adus wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »

    Shining Force 2 I can explain; I take it the intrigue of the whole thing died off so I might just kill it. All the other things in the list I need to take the time to find out what happened, or you guys can just like, let me know if you know.

    Quitter.

    The last couple updates to it I made because I was avoiding becoming a quitter, but my motivation has taken some serious blows recently because of real life bullshit (which I'm not getting into the specifics of; all I can ask is that my word be taken on it). But yeah I guess I'm a quitter maybe. We'll see.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Rent wrote: »
    okay yeah seriously, most of those threads are almost a year old

    stick a toe tag on those threads becuz dey be dead

    ed: hmm, Pata just updated, so that's in-progress I guess

    Okay I'm gonna do this on your word, right now.

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    AdusAdus Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I also vote that abandoned LPs be taken out of the list. Why is anyone going to want to read/watch a fraction of a game?

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    also if we take them off the list then people can hopefully stop spamming them and going "man this sure is a great lp when's the next update???" when the post before them was like, six months ago
    Henroid wrote: »
    Rent wrote: »
    okay yeah seriously, most of those threads are almost a year old

    stick a toe tag on those threads becuz dey be dead

    ed: hmm, Pata just updated, so that's in-progress I guess

    Okay I'm gonna do this on your word, right now.

    oh i thought this was sarcasm but you did!

    hopefully nobody gets all whiny and butthurt that you changed the status of their lp without consulting them

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    If everyone's general sentiment is that, I can pull abandoned games from the list and stick them into their own separate list of shame. Part of me doesn't want to turn away from whatever commitment was at least started into them.

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    AdusAdus Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Almost every abandoned LP in the list has only like one or two updates. I don't think there was ever much commitment. Not to mention abandoning is the very opposite of the definition of commitment.

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    seriously don't start an lp you don't intend to finish

    goddamn that shit pisses me off

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Well just because I call it "abandoning" doesn't mean that's the actual circumstance.

    I'll look into it myself in the future, each one, before removing them or not. Because I sure as hell am not removing what I got done for EO2. That's a monument for me. This isn't happening like tomorrow or next week / month though.

    Buuuuuuuuuut I can add a note to remind people to not necro-post abandoned LPs listed. Again, can't enforce it, but power of suggestion.

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    AdusAdus Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I see your point, but most of the time it really is abandonment. People underestimate the effort it takes to make a good LP and then they don't enjoy making it anymore. Which is fine because sometimes you don't know till you try.

    And while necroing abandoned LPs should be frowned upon, I think bumping finished ones should be encouraged. And yes I'm partially just saying this so my own potentially get more views. I think people often don't want to post in them because it has been so long, but I'm sure any LPer would be glad to know people are still reading or watching their stuff.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Finished LPs being necro'd is a different story, I was specifically addressing abandoned ones. Should've clarified that, sorry.

    Edit - In fact, finished LPs being necro'd is sort of what this thread was made to enable! :P

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I think most people's "LP threads" are really test posts

    by that i mean if we had a version of the tech support fort from SA, people would post the, you know, first couple of episodes there just to really learn what it's like to lp a game, and a vast, vast majority of those people would learn "oh hai lping a game is a lot of fucking work so yeah i'm not doing it"

    but we can't really infract or ban people for posting shitty lps, or putting in barely any effort, etc, so what happens is people basically blatantly ignore the whole purpose of this thread, make an lp, go "oh shit this is hard", then abandon it, and people who actually fucking intend to finish their lps and put in the effort have to compete with that mindshare of the one-and-doners

    it's, to say the least, extremely frustrating

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Well, if people give up because they're overwhelmed, it's nothing to beat them on the head over. Just let it go. This shit can be a pain in the ass to keep up with (I'd fucking KILL for video editing capability on my part).

    If someone was repeatedly doing this, then you can beat them over the head. Which I guess I need to finish SF2 or else I'm 1 for 3 on finished LPs.

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Ugh I feel so unclean now

    DAMN YOU HENROID

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    If you do take the abandoned ones off the list, keep them somwhere. While there are some...not so great ones, there are still some good ones. And it's much easier to consult an index, even if it's is spoiled and in a 2nd post than trying to search for a thread, especially if it's a popular game, a couple years after the fact

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    atat23atat23 Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    that Zelda thread is a lesson to us all, such a shame.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I liked the idea behind that Zelda thread. It actually resulted in some stuff that I like seeing from LPs (someone made an MS Paint of whoever was playing Zelda 2, falling into lava in the game and shouting "FUCK!" - goddamn that was hilarious).

    I haven't checked the thread for a long time but some of the games did get finished right?

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    atat23atat23 Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    just over half off them are unfinished and most of those have about four videos each.

    I liked the idea as well it's just that in practice it obviously didn't work, I'd say most of the people who agreed to do a vid got caught up in the idea.

    It actually looks like Elaro was updating in the end but no one else was posting so he gave up, if someone actually wanted to redo one of the unfinished Zeldas, that thread would be an exception to the necro posting rule I guess.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    If anyone is gonna do a Zelda game, I'd rather they have a new thread rather than put it in that thread. Because that thread sorta had its time.

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    atat23atat23 Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    you going to mark it as dead then? because I'd feel bad for the guys who actually have a completed LP in the thread

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Jeez you update daily, Adus?

    And i thought I had a good update schedule

    Also gotta go do a ton of recording tonight, need to get off the internet and do some video gaming :(

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