WARMACHINE and HORDES (a.k.a. Warmahordes)

Rainfall

If I get some free time this weekend(unlikely!) I'll put out a shout and play a game with you.

If not, someone else will for sure, Vassal is pretty friendly.

Turkson

Rainfall, quit linking pics to me.

Every time you do, I want to switch.

Nechriah

Rainfall wrote: »

Very rad, Nech. I'd do a bit of image-shrinking to bring the Hordes book images in line with the smaller images(like Primal and EBlight) but other than that, it's pretty gorgeous, and hey the text is lovely!

tzeentchling wrote: »

The Skorne book is in fact out now, I've seen it in my LGS. Also, there's a broken {i} tag in the Legion description.

Thanks for those suggestions (and pointing out my broken tag - how embarrassing :P), I have fixed all of those things in the OP now. I also amended the fact that the Skorne book is available.

Actually, I was lucky enough to have a look at a copy in my LGS today; it's very nice. I love Rasheth's theme list, it looks fluffy and effective. Cheaper Titans! Minions! Agonisers which start the game with fury!

I'm not 100% sold on Skorne though. I did try out some Trolls today in my continuing search for a Hordes faction I like the best. Here's my list:

"Guns & Moses" (Duel, 15 pts.)
> Captain Gunnbjorn
+ Swamp Troll
+ Dire Troll Bomber
+ Runebearer
> Dannon Blythe & Bull

I was playing against my brother's Cryx; nSkarre, a Seether, minimum units of Bane Thralls and Satyxis Raiders and a Skarlock. I had so much goddamn fun. I managed to score a critical devastation roll with every single bazooka attack (all of which were against the Seether). The first one blasted it back into Skarre, and the second one caught her in the AOE and threw her into a building. Dannon Blythe & Bull pulled their weight, picking off most of the Satyxis, who I'd nominated as their prey. And the Bomber is glorious with guided fire - it managed to almost total the Seether with a couple of bomb attacks.

In the end I lost, Skarre was still alive after all my indirect efforts to kill her, and when the surviving Satyxis managed to kill the Runebearer (they *barely* managed to connect to him with a charge, thanks to reach) Skarre had just enough of a charge lane to reach Gunnbjorn and stab his face off.

Still, I can't remember the last time I had this much fun with Warmahordes, Trolls are very entertaining to play.

Alazull

Turkson wrote: »

Rainfall, quit linking pics to me.

Every time you do, I want to switch.

Come on.

Scratch that itch.

Scribemite

Rainfall wrote: »

If I get some free time this weekend(unlikely!) I'll put out a shout and play a game with you.

If not, someone else will for sure, Vassal is pretty friendly.

Thanks Rainfall. No big deal.. I need some time to go through both books anyway.

OtakuD00D

Guys. You gotta stop using games under 25 points to bring non-units/solos in. 15 was meant for battlegroup only stuff.

Loedr

So uh, I bought some stuff to get started.

(Trollblood Battle Box)
Madrak
Implaler x2
Axer x1
Calandra (I think I'll skip Madrak:))
Dire Troll Bomber
Dire Troll Mauler
Pyg Burrowers Unit + 2 more small boxes for the full 10
Fell Caller
Runeshapers
Whelps (for the lulz?)

Plus rulebook, dice, blah blah. I plan on doing 15-25 points and swapping units in and out while I get the hang of synergies. I really liked Calandra's style (on paper) so I got a few units mentioned in the big strategy guide for her, just as a place to start. Honestly, I have no idea what half the shit I got does but I really like the idea/role of trolls, and apparently nobody around here plays them. I'm not terribly zomgmustwin in real life games, I'm there for fun. I didn't really care enough to read about what is overpowered at the moment, I just picked trolls because they're :winky:
Guessing Pyre will be my next pickup, at which point I believe if I field all my units I'll be able to hit around 50pts. After I get into the swing I'll probably grab the other ones that are <$10 too (like the hunter guy who just came out) just for flexibility/learning.

Now to assemble them..

Toothy

The next thing I'd pick up, were I you, is either fennblade or champions. Trolls need a chewy center, for sure. You're going to get Calandra waxed without at least a screen for her.

Other than that, you've picked up all solid choices. Welcome to the Kriels and have fun!

Loedr

The idea was that burrowers would clog the field up, with whelps being dropped around for the -1 MAT to further boost the Star Crossed attack role penalty to keep the burrowers alive and cloggy.

It will probably fail miserably, but like any strategy game with a lot of units and abilities, you just have to get your face pounded in repeatedly until you learn how everything works together. Should be fun!

PMAvers

Beware the Glub!

Some few anuras, a frog-like race commonly called “croaks” for their distinctive throaty calls, have made their way from the Shattered Spine Islands to chase both prey and adventure. The scouts and explorers known as hunters have developed a strong relationship with the gatormen of the Blindwater Congregation and will not hesitate to take up arms alongside these newfound allies. Croak hunters stalk their enemies from hidden positions before attacking them with spears dipped in deadly mixtures of natural poisons, including the toxins secreted by their own skin.

Toothy

Well, I don't want to discourage you, but Trolls have some models much better suited to clogging.

The reason burrowers are good is because they can take the fight to people and hard hard to effectively trump. They don't have a hard counter other than high defense. Just play in low point level games to start and you should be able to see how they work on the offense.

Edit: I really want a Blindwater army. I'm almost willing to trade my trolls for the hypothetical awesome.

Eterenal

Fennblades are a great speed bump, but don't expect them to last very far past turn 2. I love champions and the Kriel Stone with Calandra though. Star-crossed + ARM 20 champions = win.

Loedr

Toothy wrote: »

Well, I don't want to discourage you, but Trolls have some models much better suited to clogging.

I'm here to get raped I didn't do much research at all (which is very unlike me, especially when it comes to significant amounts of $$) so by spouting off my failboat plans here, I get very useful advice from experienced players which I value very much.

So thank you guys for the tips!

Question: I read this:

2) The runebearer is almost an auto include with her now. He gives her a mobile force blow/beffudle platform once a game, and saves her a fury every time she casts star crossed, which is huge considering how much fury she wants to use every turn for spells and re-rolls.

I believe the card he's referencing is "Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes" but I'm not sure. It has the ability "Fury Vault" but I don't really understand exactly how it helps.

Fury Vault - While this model is in a friendly warlock!s control area during the warlock!s activation, the warlock can move fury points from himself to it. If this model is in a friendly warlock!s control area, the warlock can leach fury points from it during your Control Phase. This model can have up to 1 fury point on it for each model currently in this unit. When a model in this unit is destroyed or removed from play, remove fury points from this model in excess of the number of models remaining in the unit. If this model is destroyed and replaced by a Grunt in its unit, place its fury points on the new Leader.

This seems like it'd only be useful if you're running with almost no warbeasts at all, because otherwise your guy is going to be loaded up on fury during control phase anyway from leeching off beasts.

Am I missing something? Wrong unit? I flipped through the entire deck and this was the closest thing I could find to what the first quote referenced.

Also, tips on getting some color onto my units without completely painting them? I'd like to play Wednesday but clearly I've got a ton of stuff to assemble and I haven't even started gathering my painting supplies. Entire army of pewter =

Scribemite

Put some sand on the bases and call them a new race of trolls with metal skin and weapons. It could be fluffy.

Or spray them up with Krylon Gray Primer and splash a base coat of some blue and green on them to differentiate models quickly.

tzeentchling

The Runebearer is an upcoming solo/warcaster attachment. I believe his rules have been spoiled in No Quarter. http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/trollbloods/solos/runebearer-warlock-attachment

mightyspacepope

Loedr wrote: »

Also, tips on getting some color onto my units without completely painting them? I'd like to play Wednesday but clearly I've got a ton of stuff to assemble and I haven't even started gathering my painting supplies. Entire army of pewter =

I'm sort of in the same boat. I just got done assembling my Magnus army. My advice for you would be to take it in pieces. Get your warlock painted up first, since they're the most important piece. Then go for the beasts, then your major units/solos, then your secondary stuff. If you take it in bits, it's not so bad.

Eterenal

The runebearer is already out. He's a 2 point warlock attachment (works with everyone except Borka) that has two star actions. One lets your warlock cast a spell at one less cost than normal and one allows you to cast a spell costing up to 3 fury for free cast from the Runebearer.

He's a pretty decent model. Works well with Calandra, pMadrak, Gunnbjorn, Grissel, and both Hoarluks.

OtakuD00D

Wow. It can't be used with Borka, or Borka just isn't suitable for it?

admanb

OtakuD00D wrote: »

Wow. It can't be used with Borka, or Borka just isn't suitable for it?

Keg Carrier is an attachment.

PMAvers

Or do what I do:

Find a local that actually can *paint* well and throw money at them. :winky:

I just got my A&H, MHA, and Magister back from him tonight, and holy shit. I'll have to post pictures later, but they came out amazing.

Pretty cheap, too, at like $5 a model. Tossed a bunch more of my Ret stuff to him to work up as well.

OtakuD00D

admanb wrote: »

OtakuD00D wrote: »

Wow. It can't be used with Borka, or Borka just isn't suitable for it?

Keg Carrier is an attachment.

That's ass-backwards. I thought actual 'caster attachments were done away with in Mk II. Aren't the Legends warcaster attachments now considered buddy solos? Or do they have the attached rule?

Carnarvon

OtakuD00D wrote: »

admanb wrote: »

OtakuD00D wrote: »

Wow. It can't be used with Borka, or Borka just isn't suitable for it?

Keg Carrier is an attachment.

That's ass-backwards. I thought actual 'caster attachments were done away with in Mk II. Aren't the Legends warcaster attachments now considered buddy solos? Or do they have the attached rule?

Depends on if it has [Attached] or [Companion]. Goreshade and Coven can take Skarlocks, but Mortenebra can't.

That Runebearer is pretty sweet. Glorious Exaltation and Spell Slave for 2 points? It almost makes a Menite weep.

admanb

Nope. They're still attachments for the purpose of limitations, they just don't behave like attachments in-game.

Loedr

Eterenal wrote: »

The runebearer is already out. He's a 2 point warlock attachment (works with everyone except Borka) that has two star actions. One lets your warlock cast a spell at one less cost than normal

Well that seems pretty amazing with Calandra.

Toothy

I'd rather have Keggy be available for others than the Runebearer, to be honest. I could have so much fun with that in a Grissel or pMadrak list.

Eterenal

As-is the kegbearer would be way over the top with doomshaper, among others.

With Calandra the the runebearer is very nice. A second befuddle in one turn can be very good. And with Calandra's Fury 7 and ability to reroll makes it a reliable arc node for one turn.

Toothy

Oh yeah, I wasn't saying it wouldn't be broken with some of our casters, just that I prefer Keggy. The runebearer is pretty good, but I hardly got to use him since my girlfriend said, "TROLLSES IS THE CUTEST THING EVER" and stole him. Now he guards the top of her dresser.

Loedr

Had to go to the store to get some of that putty stuff. Picked up the skinner and a runebearer while I was there and because they were <$10.

So sort pieces->clean lines->wash->dryfit->glue bottom piece to base->build upward->putty the gaps? I'm guessing most people leave the slot intact for extra superglue coverage? One youtube video I watched had the guy cutting the bottom metal strip off o_O

I couldn't find any "so you're a fucking moron? this is how its done" guides. The book basically says "clean stuff and use superglue."

I'll probably end up with a couple mutated trolls :v:

Eterenal

Loedr wrote: »

Picked up the skinner ...

My condolences...

Loedr wrote: »

So sort pieces->clean lines->wash->dryfit->glue bottom piece to base->build upward->putty the gaps? I'm guessing most people leave the slot intact for extra superglue coverage? One youtube video I watched had the guy cutting the bottom metal strip off o_O

I couldn't find any "so you're a fucking moron? this is how its done" guides. The book basically says "clean stuff and use superglue."

I'll probably end up with a couple mutated trolls :v:

Sounds like a good enough process. There's not really any tricks to gluing stuff together until you get into pinning, which there should be some info available on the web.

Loedr

I was advised that he was a situational rapist. Also, he is small, money cheap, and being situational, a good candidate for assembly and paint trials. He was just my first assembly of many to come.

I can't figure out which Bomber arms goes on which side. They're almost identical but not quite. I'm such a retard. :shock:

THIS GAME IS HARD ALREADY.

Toothy

The arms don't matter, but make sure the thumbs look right.

Carnarvon

Loedr wrote: »

I was advised that he was a situational rapist. Also, he is small, money cheap, and being situational, a good candidate for assembly and paint trials. He was just my first assembly of many to come.

I can't figure out which Bomber arms goes on which side. They're almost identical but not quite. I'm such a retard. :shock:

THIS GAME IS HARD ALREADY.

Try putting Daughter of the Flame together for four hours, then realizing you got 9 left arms.

Loedr

Sorry for the retard post, I don't want to mess up my dudes--

I glue the pieces together, and then fill in where necessary with green stuff after? (Assuming I don't need a greenstuff sandwich for the hold.)

My $5 clay sculpting set will be here tuesday, just wondering if I should be greenstuffing as I go and sculpting out the squish, or if I can putty up the gaps later. I'm noticing the gaps are pretty small and I don't know the viscosity of the greenstuff, or if some of the seam lines really even need filling. I have a lot of stuff to assemble and would like to get as much done as I can sooner than later

edit: you guys fill your base gaps? Thinking I can just slather a bit of greenstuff over the gaps and smooth it down after everything else is glued down..
I'm surprised how much of this stuff is impossible to google.

tzeentchling

I tend to fill in with greenstuff after - it's fairly pliable, and with the sculpting set you can easily smush it in wherever it needs to be, then scrape away excess. I do tend to either fill my base gaps with greenstuff, or else simply put tape over them if I'm going to be covering up the base anyway.

General Nemo

Loedr wrote: »

Sorry for the retard post, I don't want to mess up my dudes--

I glue the pieces together, and then fill in where necessary with green stuff after? (Assuming I don't need a greenstuff sandwich for the hold.)

My $5 clay sculpting set will be here tuesday, just wondering if I should be greenstuffing as I go and sculpting out the squish, or if I can putty up the gaps later. I'm noticing the gaps are pretty small and I don't know the viscosity of the greenstuff, or if some of the seam lines really even need filling. I have a lot of stuff to assemble and would like to get as much done as I can sooner than later

edit: you guys fill your base gaps? Thinking I can just slather a bit of greenstuff over the gaps and smooth it down after everything else is glued down..
I'm surprised how much of this stuff is impossible to google.

I think that's because you're thinking about it too hard. Outside of your base gaps, most models don't have any noticeable gaps that need filling so don't stress too much about it.

Loedr

Wow thats kinda fun. Got five guys together now The axer was a bitch, lining up the hands so they'd both hold on to the axe and look right. I was going to do the Impalers and saw the pinning spots on the spear packs. I decided to leave my first pinning for another day and to put together the Fell Caller instead. ... ended up having to pin the top part of his totem to the bottom part anyway. gg.

I guess these are all medium bases. Haven't tried a big guy yet. Tomorrow I'll get my impalers and bomber together, then I think I'll have 15 points assembled

General Nemo

Congrats! As a warning, you may need to fill gaps on most of the Troll heavies.

Toothy

So, I wish I had a decent camera because painting up my buffaloes like Native American painted horses has been fun.

General Nemo

Fucking Precursors finished fucking fuck.
Never again.

mightyspacepope

Woo! First jack for my Magnus army is (mostly) painted up.



Since Magnus seems like the type of guy who has to scrounge/cobble warjacks together from whatever parts he can, I've decided that each jack will have its own color scheme, all of them based on a Transformer.

For reference: