GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
edited September 2010
In fact, I could be wrong here, but binaries only form as pairs from birth. Gravity doesn't work in such a way that a star, even one as big as VY Caneas Majoris, can actually catch a star that just happens to whiz by it. A black hole maybe, but that's not a binary star system then....
Oh god...more SCIENCE in our Star Wars. I can't control myself.
As far as WoW's writing goes, I just spent the morning playing through the Worgen starting zone, and the writing is fucking terrible. It made me sad, because I like the DK starting zone quite a bit, which they were obviously trying to emulate.
Shame about that, the DK starting zone really was well done.
Worst thing about it was that it ended and there was absolutely no continuation to the story. I really thought that maybe The Lich King would at least make a passing mention when you fight him, buy nope. Was kind of a lost opportunity for some more story telling on Blizzards part.
Which brings me back to ToR! I'm looking forward to some awesome story telling. Which reminds me, I'm starting to rethink if G0-T0 will be in this game. I was looking at that KOTOR2 LP and noticed that some of the cut content was G0-T0 being destroyed by HK's minions. So at the least, that platform was destroyed. The question remains if G0-T0 was controlling the bot by remote or if he uploaded himself onto it and was bluffing when he mentioned the bomb. I don't think G0-T0 was so stupid as to do that, but it remains to be seen if he/it is in ToR or not.
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TOR will have something different then that I think, then WoW, but it will still rely heavily on propping up some focal character or plot that can bring the Republic and Empire together for a big confrontation and battle/Jedi vs Sith e-peen measuring contest.
This is an interesting question. Will the raids the Republic has be completely different than the raids available to the Empire? We really haven't had anyone mention any kind of external foe yet. It all seems pretty much a 1v1 type of conflict.
TOR will have something different then that I think, then WoW, but it will still rely heavily on propping up some focal character or plot that can bring the Republic and Empire together for a big confrontation and battle/Jedi vs Sith e-peen measuring contest.
This is an interesting question. Will the raids the Republic has be completely different than the raids available to the Empire? We really haven't had anyone mention any kind of external foe yet. It all seems pretty much a 1v1 type of conflict.
One of the recent books they came out with, Fatal Alliance, has a potential galaxy wide threat that they don't wrap up completely in the book. The Darth Hater pod cast recommended it so I listened to the audio book. It's set during this time period and has a lot of possible hints at what classes and the story telling might be like. I'll spoiler the story and the threat.
Basically there are robots that replicate using mini factories and the materials around them. There is an entire planet of these things with the sole purpose of protecting a single girl, who happens to be the clone of some sith apprentice girl. The robots killed the girls mother because she wanted to leave the planet and destroy anything that comes near their homeworld. Shit happens and all the characters in the book end up on this planet and the clone girl gets killed but the sith apprentice girl finds out that the robots listen to her because they recognize her DNA. blah blah.
In terms of a threat, these things are nasty they bombard ships with what seem like missiles but are the replicating robots and as soon as they land start creating more, basically mine the ship for materials, while killing everyone. In the book it took 2 force users and a bounty hunter to kill one.
Lastly, they didn't actually say what happens to them. The sith apprentice decides not to use them to take over the galaxy and everyone just leaves. While the robots still have AI and a new ward they probably want to "protect." I see the sith coming back on her own to try and use them to rule the galaxy or the robots setting themselves up as a zerg or scourge type wipe every living thing out enemy.
Basically there are robots that replicate using mini factories and the materials around them. There is an entire planet of these things with the sole purpose of protecting a single girl, who happens to be the clone of some sith apprentice girl. The robots killed the girls mother because she wanted to leave the planet and destroy anything that comes near their homeworld. Shit happens and all the characters in the book end up on this planet and the clone girl gets killed but the sith apprentice girl finds out that the robots listen to her because they recognize her DNA. blah blah.
In terms of a threat, these things are nasty they bombard ships with what seem like missiles but are the replicating robots and as soon as they land start creating more, basically mine the ship for materials, while killing everyone. In the book it took 2 force users and a bounty hunter to kill one.
Lastly, they didn't actually say what happens to them. The sith apprentice decides not to use them to take over the galaxy and everyone just leaves. While the robots still have AI and a new ward they probably want to "protect." I see the sith coming back on her own to try and use them to rule the galaxy or the robots setting themselves up as a zerg or scourge type wipe every living thing out enemy.
Basically there are robots that replicate using mini factories and the materials around them. There is an entire planet of these things with the sole purpose of protecting a single girl, who happens to be the clone of some sith apprentice girl. The robots killed the girls mother because she wanted to leave the planet and destroy anything that comes near their homeworld. Shit happens and all the characters in the book end up on this planet and the clone girl gets killed but the sith apprentice girl finds out that the robots listen to her because they recognize her DNA. blah blah.
In terms of a threat, these things are nasty they bombard ships with what seem like missiles but are the replicating robots and as soon as they land start creating more, basically mine the ship for materials, while killing everyone. In the book it took 2 force users and a bounty hunter to kill one.
Lastly, they didn't actually say what happens to them. The sith apprentice decides not to use them to take over the galaxy and everyone just leaves. While the robots still have AI and a new ward they probably want to "protect." I see the sith coming back on her own to try and use them to rule the galaxy or the robots setting themselves up as a zerg or scourge type wipe every living thing out enemy.
Basically there are robots that replicate using mini factories and the materials around them. There is an entire planet of these things with the sole purpose of protecting a single girl, who happens to be the clone of some sith apprentice girl. The robots killed the girls mother because she wanted to leave the planet and destroy anything that comes near their homeworld. Shit happens and all the characters in the book end up on this planet and the clone girl gets killed but the sith apprentice girl finds out that the robots listen to her because they recognize her DNA. blah blah.
In terms of a threat, these things are nasty they bombard ships with what seem like missiles but are the replicating robots and as soon as they land start creating more, basically mine the ship for materials, while killing everyone. In the book it took 2 force users and a bounty hunter to kill one.
Lastly, they didn't actually say what happens to them. The sith apprentice decides not to use them to take over the galaxy and everyone just leaves. While the robots still have AI and a new ward they probably want to "protect." I see the sith coming back on her own to try and use them to rule the galaxy or the robots setting themselves up as a zerg or scourge type wipe every living thing out enemy.
I don't want an alliance of convenience! We got that in WoW! I want the Sith and Alliance to be bitter fucking enemies that will fight each other to the bitter end!
BITTER!
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I'm hoping that it's either not used because it's such an over done idea. Or that they have each faction approach it differently. Maybe one faction wants to control it while the other wants to destroy it. I'm aware that this is also over done but less so then the, "I know we hate eachother but we must work together."
I could live with them doing the "I know we hate each other but we must work together" cliché for raids if TOR raids actually forced you to work with another player group from the opposing faction. Bonus points if raid design incorporates the cliché of backstabbing your allies of convenience for added reward/difficulty.
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I suspect the raids designed for both Sith and Republic with be like that video from a couple weeks ago, where that Sith group was trying to get into Revan's base. It's not too unreasonable to assume that the Republic would be interested in the place too.
Star Wars is not about alliances of convenience between the big bad and the hero. To do a common foe would seriously ruin the setting. In fact, some assholes have already tried it, they're called the (Mary Sue) Yuuzhan Vong. The Vong are the worst thing to come from the EU.
Is "Mary Sue" the new blanket term for anything somebody finds disagreeable
No, it's a blanket term for a character, or groups of characters, that are basically perfect in every way. The Vong are a Sue because they had to be an actual enemy of the story important Jedi. However, in order to do that the Vong had to basically be immune to the force, lightsabers, blasters, and the vacuum of space (to name a few). The Vong also had to unify the Imperial Remnant and the New Republic because gray morality and enemy of my enemy is edgy and relevant. It's was an arms race of who could fan wank harder.
Is "Mary Sue" the new blanket term for anything somebody finds disagreeable
No, it's a blanket term for a character, or groups of characters, that are basically perfect in every way.
Not exactly.
A Mary Sue (sometimes just Sue), in fanfiction, is a fictional character with overly idealized and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as a wish-fulfillment fantasy for the author or reader. Perhaps the single underlying feature of all characters described as "Mary Sues" is that they are too ostentatious for the audience's taste, or that the author seems to favor the character too highly. The author may seem to push how exceptional and wonderful the "Mary Sue" character is on his or her audience, sometimes leading the audience to dislike or even resent the character fairly quickly; such a character could be described as an "author's pet."
The bolded part is generally what raises a character to a Mary Sue status.
I could argue that the Vong are wish-fulfillment for something that could compete with the heroes of the EU. They are certainly pretty fucking idealized as the perfect warrior race. So perfect that they couldn't even be defeated in a traditional sense. The collective authors of the Vong wrote them out with a part about Luke finding their space god; and then convincing the space god to tell the Vong to stop being dicks.
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
edited September 2010
Well, that's not really what the term stands for. In its simplest, Mary Sue stands for a character who is just so great and awesome and cool that everyone really really loves him/her and wants to be his/her friend.
Having a super powerful villain is... well, that's how stories work. The antagonist needs to be a credible threat for the good guys. If the good guys are walking gods with psionic powers and laser swords, the villain needs to be able to stand up to that.
My understanding of "Mary Sue" is that it comes from fan fiction wherein the author inserts him- or herself. So when Harry Potter starts hanging out (and eventually falling in love) with reVerse the new unicorn-riding chaser for Gryffindor, there's a good chance reVerse is a Mary Sue.
Villain Sue, so the TV tropes war began. However, we gone past my point; which was that to ally Imperial forces with Republic forces generally calls for the creation of poorly designed villains.
My understanding of "Mary Sue" is that it comes from fan fiction wherein the author inserts him- or herself. So when Harry Potter starts hanging out (and eventually falling in love) with reVerse the new unicorn-riding chaser for Gryffindor, there's a good chance reVerse is a Mary Sue.
There's no common consensus for what a Sue is, which is why I try to avoid the word. However, Sue general conveys to people that the character(s) in question are poorly designed. I suppose I could have just called the Vong a Boring Invincible Villain.
The Vong ruined Star Wars. I read 3 of those books (as noted before) and wanted to light Skywalker Ranch on fire. I stopped half way through the 4th one and never touched another book again.
I also want to cause bodily harm to a certain author that lives in my state....
The Vong ruined Star Wars. I read 3 of those books (as noted before) and wanted to light Skywalker Ranch on fire. I stopped half way through the 4th one and never touched another book again.
I also want to cause bodily harm to a certain author that lives in my state....
You're clearly stronger willed than I am. I managed to slug my way through the first book, and then decided that I would never touch another Star Wars EU book.
I read that first one, but it was only because the was before I realized how awful a writer Salvator is. The whole reason I even read it was because I'm such a Stover fan. I figured I'd try the series out and work my way toward his book.
BAD IDEA MAN!
I just skipped to Stover's book and ignored the rest. His was pretty good though. Called Traitor. Leave it to Matthew Stover to have the skill to turn shit into gold.
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I read that first one, but it was only because the was before I realized how awful a writer Salvator is. The whole reason I even read it was because I'm such a Stover fan. I figured I'd try the series out and work my way toward his book.
BAD IDEA MAN!
I just skipped to Stover's book and ignored the rest. His was pretty good though. Called Traitor. Leave it to Matthew Stover to have the skill to turn shit into gold.
I did the same thing, but by accident. I was randomly looking at a buddy's book collection and he told me that was a good one. I never bothered with the rest or really had any interest.
[edit] Just for pure hilarity- a guy I went to college with named his kid "Jacen Solo"
So I've only read a couple books and the trick I've found so far is to translate everything you read into something normal.
I'll give an example. When the author talks about duracrete, it's concrete. They are jumping or running up concrete buildings. I think the PA comic made fun of it once when Gabe ranted about was supposed to be "like a knife through butter" but the author went over the top Starwarized it.
Re: the Mary Sue discussion, the EU is chock full of Mary Sues. There's so many Mary Sues running around, it's almost sickening to the point of making the "story' nothing more than Boba Fett and Luke Skywalker masturbating each other in front of a mirror.
Just using those two, for example (out of many, many others), both of them are a stereotype of how a Star Wars fanatic would write themselves into a story. Both are invincible, have perfect ideals/honor, know everything, have unlimited powers/skills, and are limited only by plot progression. They are, for all intents and purposes, God with a Game Genie and cheat codes.
Also, any story involving either of these guys can be summed up in two sentences.
1. Nonsensical plot where either one of these guys becomes a sympathetic character/pariah to the reader due to completely absurd circumstances that could easily be overcome if every character besides the Mary Sue wasn't a mouth breathing retard.
2. Mary Sue overcomes the circumstance by being the perfect, Goku powered god that they are using abilities that are just as absurd as the plot in the most honorable fashion possible.
Han Solo's the same way.
Same with....well jesus, quite a few others.
Seriously folks, EU is terrible.
EDIT: Oh crap guys, sorry about the TotP.
So, how's about them there Siths? I hears they does it from behind.
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MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
edited September 2010
The original movies have all the same character archetypes. None of those guys have flaws.
Original Star Wars is feel good crap. It's okay to love it. Just don't think it's valuable.
I fucking love star wars, so anybody who gets all defensive at me is going to get a lol in return and not much else.
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(PSN: Morninglord) (Steam: Morninglord) (WiiU: Morninglord22) I like to record and toss up a lot of random gaming videos here.
So here's a question: One of the fun things about playing WoW for me was seeing the people that were further along than me and checking out their gaudy (but awesomely gaudy) weapons they carried on their backs. They stood as proof that you did something cool and other people could check out the stats, etc.
So in Star Wars, lightsabers pretty much all look the same, and the hilts and (probably) too small to see on someone's person and draw attention. Apart from armor, which wouldn't be any different that another game, but do you think TOR will have something like this social aspect of the game?
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That's good. That's a good one.
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
edited September 2010
People can look at your armor to see how big your e-peen is.
In other news, Designing the Light Side video as this Friday's thing, probably brought on by accusations of BioWare favoring the Sith as seen in a huge multi-thread by a crazy person.
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Oh god...more SCIENCE in our Star Wars. I can't control myself.
Worst thing about it was that it ended and there was absolutely no continuation to the story. I really thought that maybe The Lich King would at least make a passing mention when you fight him, buy nope. Was kind of a lost opportunity for some more story telling on Blizzards part.
Which brings me back to ToR! I'm looking forward to some awesome story telling. Which reminds me, I'm starting to rethink if G0-T0 will be in this game. I was looking at that KOTOR2 LP and noticed that some of the cut content was G0-T0 being destroyed by HK's minions. So at the least, that platform was destroyed. The question remains if G0-T0 was controlling the bot by remote or if he uploaded himself onto it and was bluffing when he mentioned the bomb. I don't think G0-T0 was so stupid as to do that, but it remains to be seen if he/it is in ToR or not.
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Also, how's the ship revealing coming along?
Rumours abound of a used hyperdrive dealership in Mos Eisley that coats their ships in Rancor bladder butter to make them really shine.
Other then that, we have jack shit in the way of ship reveals.
This is an interesting question. Will the raids the Republic has be completely different than the raids available to the Empire? We really haven't had anyone mention any kind of external foe yet. It all seems pretty much a 1v1 type of conflict.
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One of the recent books they came out with, Fatal Alliance, has a potential galaxy wide threat that they don't wrap up completely in the book. The Darth Hater pod cast recommended it so I listened to the audio book. It's set during this time period and has a lot of possible hints at what classes and the story telling might be like. I'll spoiler the story and the threat.
In terms of a threat, these things are nasty they bombard ships with what seem like missiles but are the replicating robots and as soon as they land start creating more, basically mine the ship for materials, while killing everyone. In the book it took 2 force users and a bounty hunter to kill one.
Lastly, they didn't actually say what happens to them. The sith apprentice decides not to use them to take over the galaxy and everyone just leaves. While the robots still have AI and a new ward they probably want to "protect." I see the sith coming back on her own to try and use them to rule the galaxy or the robots setting themselves up as a zerg or scourge type wipe every living thing out enemy.
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Yes :?
Yes.
I don't want an alliance of convenience! We got that in WoW! I want the Sith and Alliance to be bitter fucking enemies that will fight each other to the bitter end!
BITTER!
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WTF.
No, it's a blanket term for a character, or groups of characters, that are basically perfect in every way. The Vong are a Sue because they had to be an actual enemy of the story important Jedi. However, in order to do that the Vong had to basically be immune to the force, lightsabers, blasters, and the vacuum of space (to name a few). The Vong also had to unify the Imperial Remnant and the New Republic because gray morality and enemy of my enemy is edgy and relevant. It's was an arms race of who could fan wank harder.
That has to be a joke.
Not exactly.
The bolded part is generally what raises a character to a Mary Sue status.
Having a super powerful villain is... well, that's how stories work. The antagonist needs to be a credible threat for the good guys. If the good guys are walking gods with psionic powers and laser swords, the villain needs to be able to stand up to that.
There's no common consensus for what a Sue is, which is why I try to avoid the word. However, Sue general conveys to people that the character(s) in question are poorly designed. I suppose I could have just called the Vong a Boring Invincible Villain.
I also want to cause bodily harm to a certain author that lives in my state....
You're clearly stronger willed than I am. I managed to slug my way through the first book, and then decided that I would never touch another Star Wars EU book.
BAD IDEA MAN!
I just skipped to Stover's book and ignored the rest. His was pretty good though. Called Traitor. Leave it to Matthew Stover to have the skill to turn shit into gold.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dates_in_Star_Wars
Scroll all the way down to the books. I forgot I read the Children of the Jedi books too. Fuck they were bad.
I did the same thing, but by accident. I was randomly looking at a buddy's book collection and he told me that was a good one. I never bothered with the rest or really had any interest.
[edit] Just for pure hilarity- a guy I went to college with named his kid "Jacen Solo"
I'll give an example. When the author talks about duracrete, it's concrete. They are jumping or running up concrete buildings. I think the PA comic made fun of it once when Gabe ranted about was supposed to be "like a knife through butter" but the author went over the top Starwarized it.
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Just using those two, for example (out of many, many others), both of them are a stereotype of how a Star Wars fanatic would write themselves into a story. Both are invincible, have perfect ideals/honor, know everything, have unlimited powers/skills, and are limited only by plot progression. They are, for all intents and purposes, God with a Game Genie and cheat codes.
Also, any story involving either of these guys can be summed up in two sentences.
1. Nonsensical plot where either one of these guys becomes a sympathetic character/pariah to the reader due to completely absurd circumstances that could easily be overcome if every character besides the Mary Sue wasn't a mouth breathing retard.
2. Mary Sue overcomes the circumstance by being the perfect, Goku powered god that they are using abilities that are just as absurd as the plot in the most honorable fashion possible.
Han Solo's the same way.
Same with....well jesus, quite a few others.
Seriously folks, EU is terrible.
EDIT: Oh crap guys, sorry about the TotP.
So, how's about them there Siths? I hears they does it from behind.
Original Star Wars is feel good crap. It's okay to love it. Just don't think it's valuable.
I fucking love star wars, so anybody who gets all defensive at me is going to get a lol in return and not much else.
Saw this over at Darth Hater. Looks awesome.
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Can't say I've ever read anything else with pseudo-named materials. But yes, I would.
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So in Star Wars, lightsabers pretty much all look the same, and the hilts and (probably) too small to see on someone's person and draw attention. Apart from armor, which wouldn't be any different that another game, but do you think TOR will have something like this social aspect of the game?
In other news, Designing the Light Side video as this Friday's thing, probably brought on by accusations of BioWare favoring the Sith as seen in a huge multi-thread by a crazy person.