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I've heard of hyperdontia and hyopdontia before (at least two people in my family have missing molars, but their teeth have moved together so you'd never notice by just looking at them), but I've never heard of anyone getting a whole new set of teeth. It's usually just a few extras at most. But that's really cool, Ikage.
I ate crocodile for the first time at my friends place a few weeks ago. Its not bad. Kinda tasted like chicken, with the texture of fish, but very chewy.
I love eggs on burgers with tomato sauce. But i cant stand those bacon & egg mcmuffin things. so many people get that for breakfast in the city each morning.
Did you learn nothing from Steve Irwin? You really are an Australian redneck.
I ate crocodile for the first time at my friends place a few weeks ago. Its not bad. Kinda tasted like chicken, with the texture of fish, but very chewy.
I love eggs on burgers with tomato sauce. But i cant stand those bacon & egg mcmuffin things. so many people get that for breakfast in the city each morning.
Did you learn nothing from Steve Irwin? You really are an Australian redneck.
He just doesn't have them in his heart like steve does
I don't know much about minecraft, so can someone school me? Besides building stuff, can you actually go first person running around in your forts and avoid zombies and seiges?
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Hey ikage do you have a safe for work website with your drawings in it?
if not do you have a not safe for work website with your drawings in it?
The "big twist" actually has nothing to do with who the devil is.
But the whole summary was kind of meh. At least it wasn't as stupid/vague as the one in the Happening.
Possible spoilers within.
Yeah it basically feeds you the "twist" if you're paying attention. Main character guy keeps mentioning something that happened to his family in the past. At one point in the movie they realize what is happening (because of a superstitious Mexican security guard), and they start to take guesses at why these people are dying. One man in the elevator does not appear to have done anything.
Actual spoilers within
He totally did that thing the cop is always talking about
Also one of the first people the camera takes some time to linger on is Geoffrey Arend, who has dark skin and black hair and a brilliant red tie. And then right after that, it focuses on this older lady with shifty eyes.
Actual spoilers again
It was the old lady. I swear to god I knew how this movie was going to end within the first five minutes of sitting down.
Hey ikage do you have a safe for work website with your drawings in it?
if not do you have a not safe for work website with your drawings in it?
No and Yes..........but in which order!?
Actually I think my Deviantart is pretty clean. Sometimes, or I might have forgot a few mature tags....hmm. Oh wait I guess my http://spiralkicking.blogspot.com/ blog is clean.
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Oh no I totally want to see any porn you might have drawn.
Just not at work.
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The "big twist" actually has nothing to do with who the devil is.
But the whole summary was kind of meh. At least it wasn't as stupid/vague as the one in the Happening.
Possible spoilers within.
Yeah it basically feeds you the "twist" if you're paying attention. Main character guy keeps mentioning something that happened to his family in the past. At one point in the movie they realize what is happening (because of a superstitious Mexican security guard), and they start to take guesses at why these people are dying. One man in the elevator does not appear to have done anything.
Actual spoilers within
He totally did that thing the cop is always talking about
Also one of the first people the camera takes some time to linger on is Geoffrey Arend, who has dark skin and black hair and a brilliant red tie. And then right after that, it focuses on this older lady with shifty eyes.
Actual spoilers again
It was the old lady. I swear to god I knew how this movie was going to end within the first five minutes of sitting down.
And this is why all movies that live/die by their twists suck.
Got myself a live art gig tomorrow night at the media launch for a street festival here. Hooray for that! And the accompanying $$$$! Well, it's more like $$, but whatever.
I don't know much about minecraft, so can someone school me? Besides building stuff, can you actually go first person running around in your forts and avoid zombies and seiges?
Zombies and skeletons don't really siege, they just kind of appear in dark spaces and fuck you up.
Other than that, yeah that's pretty much what you do.
You can also be like me and get constantly distracted by a seemingly endless network of caves and underground rivers of water and lava.
I've been feeling the itch to get back into hand-drawn animation again. I put together a long-term project awhile back to turn Peter & Company into an animated concept short, but haven't had the free time or real drive to crank through the work for it until now. I think I'm finally going to get back into making pencil tests again.
Only problem: I want to invest in an animation paper puncher, but all the ones I can find are those huge bulk 100-pages-at-a-time punchers that cost upwards of $500. Anyone know of a good place where I can order a smaller one for personal project use? I don't mind punching fewer pages at a time if it means I can save several hundred dollars.
guuuuys!
SO i went to this bill perkins lecture
he's an incredible disney layout artist, he was also art director for aladdin
anyways, at break time, i needed coffee bad so i booked it towards starbucks
and apparently he is also a speed walker, so we both ended up walking together chatting about why i was here, where i'm from all that stuff, and I was asking him questions about working and stuff
so at the end he gives me his email address and tells me the best way for me to spend my time while i'm here is to get in contact with some story artists and character designers and things, and he just happens to know quite a few
so, completely bewildered at the incredible offer, i send him a little email with my information, my portfolio link and stuff
and he sends this back to me:
How long will you be in town? If you are free to come in I could introduce you to some of the story team here at Disney and some of them have good friends at Dreamworks too so they might be able to refer you to someone there to visit as well. I saw your site and the drawings are charming and more than enough for story but they really look for storytelling abilities so it might be good to talk with one of them directly.
So far my experience with animation people is that no matter how high up the food chain they are, they seem totally willing to kind of "pay it forward" to young artists and give them help and connections
it's incredible
which, really is how it should be
and the more I thought about it on my way home, the more I realized that's what's missing in modern illustration and animation... and really art in general!
In the past, in both animation and illustration, artists learned from the generations before them. Professionals who had been working in the industry, who were incredibly good at what they do. Inspiration was given to young artists by people who had been published in books, galleries or in film. And only the best were published.
But now with things like deviantart, a networking site where artists of all skill levels can post and share their work, young artists are getting inspiration and even instruction from other young artists...young artists who copied from other young artists who copied from other young artists who copied from some fad the saw, or maybe were creative enough to develop.
I think that what it's leading to is a lack of integrity in all aspects of art, illustration, animation, all of it. Less people are looking at great artists like howard pyle, lyendecker, milt khal.. (unless they happen to be snooping around the right kinds of forums of course) and are instead looking to each other.
I look at concept art forums and find myself less and less impressed by the super detailed, super rendered stuff I see on there. Because I generally see a complete lack of character or true design in them. Lots of attention to structure and rendering, but absolutely no story behind any of it. This doesn't apply to ALL of course, many of the professional featured artists on there have incredible story and character in their work... but they are professionals, and if you ask any of them who they draw their inspiration from, it tends to be past generations of fine and entertainment artists.
The danger in that, is I remember being SO impressed by that stuff growing up as a young artist. I drew so much inspiration from my peers, which is not in and of itself a bad thing... if that inspiration is informed and supplemented by inspiration from people who know what the hell they're doing.
I dunno, I feel like I'm rambling, but I wanted to voice this stuff and maybe talk about it with you guys, see what you have to say on the matter
Oh also I wanted to add, that in my opinion when reflecting on my own work, it was only when I started looking past current artists for inspiration that my work started to really pick up and become better.
I'm thinking back when I started pulling my inspiration from UPA and Mary Blair, and from there I started looking at their influences like kandinsky and picasso... that's when my art started to get better in my mind. Still a long way to go obviously...Eh, just a thought.
I always try and give back to younger artists. Because I knew what it was like. The old masters were great, but there are a lot of new people that are really cool too. I love Ashley Wood's stuff.
I think my opinion is that you like who is good and not limit yourself to only liking old masters or contemporary proffesionals. draw from everything.
no again, i'm not saying draw only from the old masters or anything silly like that, of COURSE be inspired by your peers
but i see a sort of a danger in young contemporary artists only looking to each other, and not looking at what's been done before.
no again, i'm not saying draw only from the old masters or anything silly like that, of COURSE be inspired by your peers
but i see a sort of a danger in young contemporary artists only looking to each other, and not looking at what's been done before.
Formal art education fixes that, but not everyone can be in an art school. Also young people tend to not like being told what to do. "It's my style" sort of thinking. It's a part of growing up. Those who fix the problem will grow, and those who don't languish.
I don't really see the danger in it. Explain the danger to me.
The onyl real "danger" is that young artists are often a bit naive and in a lot of cases lack a decent work ethic.
It's easier to do sub-par digital work and get your back patted by other kids on DA than it is to actually understand the level of work you need to put into (and sustain) an actual creative career, and to start doing the things necessary to get you there.
But I don't think this is a new scenario; I think it's always been this way, there's just more distractions nowadays. When you're a kid you "waste" a lot of time just having fun and figuring yourself out.
That's awesome, Beavo.
It never ceases to amaze me how generous successful artists can be with their time.
An example of this is this article where a Disney comic great, Carson Van Osten, sent his original sketches to a fan who had posted them up on his blog (without permission), just to help young artists overcome common problems with creating comic books: here, at the Temple of Seven Camels
It's great to hear the Disney people still have hearts of gold. Really cool how illustration and storytelling is at some level a mystical art that is passed and reinterpreted from generation to generation. What a kick to be in on that at Disney.
no prox, i think you're missing my point
this is beyond art school, it has nothing to do with going to art school and being force fed master paintings
it has to do with personal discovery as an artist, and who at the end of the day we're trying to emulate and learn from
with deviantart, it's so easy to be exposed to so many contemporary artists of varying degrees of skills and quality.
you get x artist who was really inspired by the lion king
so she starts copying the lion king drawings
without realizing that those drawings were developed from actual live drawings of animals on location
she just copies the style
then she makes like a cow character or something in that style
y artist sees it on deviantart and likes it
so she copies that
b artist copies that artist
and so on and so on and so on
it doesn't take much hunting through deviantart to see that
it doesn't take much hunting through many people's professional portfolios AFTER they graduated from art school to see it!
in the past there was a learn from those before you type of system and really that was it
you'd be exposed of course to your peers work if you were in college with them, for sure
but typically, unless you were surrounded by 100s of friends who were all artists, you were learning from people who had been published somewhere
that's not how it is anymore
you can still learn from the ones that came before you of course
but there's also a ton of other artists of varying skill levels that young artists can also learn from.
I do get what you are saying Beavs. I'm saying that among those crowds of people who make those mistakes or copy from lion king, some will go to art school, some will follow the advice of others, and some will not.
Those without the will to seek out the proper answers or choose to ignore them are responsible for their own fates.
In such connected world, the information is out there and I believe there is such a saturation even in deviant art of helpful advice that the next generation of artists have it way better then we did.
But its up to them to listen. Or make a change if they really want. And if they don't really want to then they won't change.
Not all artists have the same motivations as you or I. Some are just in it for a cheap thrill. Some see it as a career. And some see it as a means of expression.
you can't really force everyone within such a large classification called "artist" to do what you think is right or good. And by you I mean the mentoring artist community. Kids will listen or not listen. Some are stuck, some have potential, you did your part by offering the help. If your career isnt artistic education then you shouldnt lose hair over it. People who really want to do this seriously will have the drive. Or find the means to gain the drive.
edit:
some people just start of copying their favorite artists. Gabe copied Stephen Silver and X men. Kurtz copied Charles Schultz and Jim Davis. Me I copied the xenogears artbooks. You can't expect people to just pop out with an original style whole cloth.
in short: cut the kids some slack.
edit:
interesting idea just popped up. what if this enforcing of sort of professional art approaches is establishing the neurosis a lot of beginning career artists have about their own work? Things that breed lack of confidence and turn something they loved doing into something that instead brings up doubt and frustration?
The more I was taught art, the more I felt hampered by what I didnt know. I find it very difficult to draw for fun nowadays.
Man, someone used and broke my guillotine. It makes me angry when people break my stuff then don't fess up to it. C'mon, if you were so bold to use something that wasn't yours, be bold and tell me that you broke it.
Man, someone used and broke my guillotine. It makes me angry when people break my stuff then don't fess up to it. C'mon, if you were so bold to use something that wasn't yours, be bold and tell me that you broke it.
Man, someone used and broke my guillotine. It makes me angry when people break my stuff then don't fess up to it. C'mon, if you were so bold to use something that wasn't yours, be bold and tell me that you broke it.
sorry about that, I must have lost my head...
badumpush.
Probably afraid of you cuz you owned a guillotine.
I'm requesting a new one, has anyone ever used those laser guided ones? I have the choice of buying a 15" laser guided guillotine which leaves me plenty of room on my desk... or a really heavy duty 18" monster that takes up considerably more space and has no laser....
Which to choose?
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I'm requesting a new one, has anyone ever used those laser guided ones? I have the choice of buying a 15" laser guided guillotine which leaves me plenty of room on my desk... or a really heavy duty 18" monster that takes up considerably more space and has no laser....
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ugh that thing.
The new style's all fucked up too (imho).
edit: at least compared to the old style. (guess nostalgia is getting me a bit here)
IDK there are some new ones that are just " Is...is that the logo to Pringles in pokayman forms?" But some seem misplaced like braswan and snailknight.
And some are fun like the lizard in hammer pants with a mohawk.
Only when sharking for parking spaces.
Did you learn nothing from Steve Irwin? You really are an Australian redneck.
He just doesn't have them in his heart like steve does
if not do you have a not safe for work website with your drawings in it?
YES! Man everyone makes fun of me when I suggest this. I can now die knowing that I'm not the only one who loves them a Belgian chicken sandwich.
Edit: man I'm late to the party.
My Portfolio Site
Possible spoilers within.
Actual spoilers within
Also one of the first people the camera takes some time to linger on is Geoffrey Arend, who has dark skin and black hair and a brilliant red tie. And then right after that, it focuses on this older lady with shifty eyes.
Actual spoilers again
No and Yes..........but in which order!?
Actually I think my Deviantart is pretty clean. Sometimes, or I might have forgot a few mature tags....hmm. Oh wait I guess my http://spiralkicking.blogspot.com/ blog is clean.
Just not at work.
And this is why all movies that live/die by their twists suck.
Anyways, SCIENCE- I guess there's a spider who spins thread tougher then kevlar.
Also future comings of artificial skin which looks neat.
Also I guess twitter is hacked atm? Too lazy to go back and see if someone previously talked about this.
Zombies and skeletons don't really siege, they just kind of appear in dark spaces and fuck you up.
Other than that, yeah that's pretty much what you do.
You can also be like me and get constantly distracted by a seemingly endless network of caves and underground rivers of water and lava.
http://www.bamkapow.com/bk_images/2009/04/23/dark-knight-family-friendly.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zjEn3.jpg
http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=281
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZSKR5b9lL-E/TJOQvG2ytzI/AAAAAAAABk0/A4UgZ-GdxXE/s1600/kazimirgag2.jpg
The last one is my favorite.
Fucking damn it.
YAAARRRR!
Only problem: I want to invest in an animation paper puncher, but all the ones I can find are those huge bulk 100-pages-at-a-time punchers that cost upwards of $500. Anyone know of a good place where I can order a smaller one for personal project use? I don't mind punching fewer pages at a time if it means I can save several hundred dollars.
SO i went to this bill perkins lecture
he's an incredible disney layout artist, he was also art director for aladdin
anyways, at break time, i needed coffee bad so i booked it towards starbucks
and apparently he is also a speed walker, so we both ended up walking together chatting about why i was here, where i'm from all that stuff, and I was asking him questions about working and stuff
so at the end he gives me his email address and tells me the best way for me to spend my time while i'm here is to get in contact with some story artists and character designers and things, and he just happens to know quite a few
so, completely bewildered at the incredible offer, i send him a little email with my information, my portfolio link and stuff
and he sends this back to me:
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
So far my experience with animation people is that no matter how high up the food chain they are, they seem totally willing to kind of "pay it forward" to young artists and give them help and connections
it's incredible
which, really is how it should be
and the more I thought about it on my way home, the more I realized that's what's missing in modern illustration and animation... and really art in general!
In the past, in both animation and illustration, artists learned from the generations before them. Professionals who had been working in the industry, who were incredibly good at what they do. Inspiration was given to young artists by people who had been published in books, galleries or in film. And only the best were published.
But now with things like deviantart, a networking site where artists of all skill levels can post and share their work, young artists are getting inspiration and even instruction from other young artists...young artists who copied from other young artists who copied from other young artists who copied from some fad the saw, or maybe were creative enough to develop.
I think that what it's leading to is a lack of integrity in all aspects of art, illustration, animation, all of it. Less people are looking at great artists like howard pyle, lyendecker, milt khal.. (unless they happen to be snooping around the right kinds of forums of course) and are instead looking to each other.
I look at concept art forums and find myself less and less impressed by the super detailed, super rendered stuff I see on there. Because I generally see a complete lack of character or true design in them. Lots of attention to structure and rendering, but absolutely no story behind any of it. This doesn't apply to ALL of course, many of the professional featured artists on there have incredible story and character in their work... but they are professionals, and if you ask any of them who they draw their inspiration from, it tends to be past generations of fine and entertainment artists.
The danger in that, is I remember being SO impressed by that stuff growing up as a young artist. I drew so much inspiration from my peers, which is not in and of itself a bad thing... if that inspiration is informed and supplemented by inspiration from people who know what the hell they're doing.
I dunno, I feel like I'm rambling, but I wanted to voice this stuff and maybe talk about it with you guys, see what you have to say on the matter
Oh also I wanted to add, that in my opinion when reflecting on my own work, it was only when I started looking past current artists for inspiration that my work started to really pick up and become better.
I'm thinking back when I started pulling my inspiration from UPA and Mary Blair, and from there I started looking at their influences like kandinsky and picasso... that's when my art started to get better in my mind. Still a long way to go obviously...Eh, just a thought.
I always try and give back to younger artists. Because I knew what it was like. The old masters were great, but there are a lot of new people that are really cool too. I love Ashley Wood's stuff.
I think my opinion is that you like who is good and not limit yourself to only liking old masters or contemporary proffesionals. draw from everything.
artistjeffc.tumblr.com http://www.etsy.com/shop/artistjeffc
but i see a sort of a danger in young contemporary artists only looking to each other, and not looking at what's been done before.
Formal art education fixes that, but not everyone can be in an art school. Also young people tend to not like being told what to do. "It's my style" sort of thinking. It's a part of growing up. Those who fix the problem will grow, and those who don't languish.
I don't really see the danger in it. Explain the danger to me.
artistjeffc.tumblr.com http://www.etsy.com/shop/artistjeffc
The onyl real "danger" is that young artists are often a bit naive and in a lot of cases lack a decent work ethic.
It's easier to do sub-par digital work and get your back patted by other kids on DA than it is to actually understand the level of work you need to put into (and sustain) an actual creative career, and to start doing the things necessary to get you there.
But I don't think this is a new scenario; I think it's always been this way, there's just more distractions nowadays. When you're a kid you "waste" a lot of time just having fun and figuring yourself out.
It never ceases to amaze me how generous successful artists can be with their time.
An example of this is this article where a Disney comic great, Carson Van Osten, sent his original sketches to a fan who had posted them up on his blog (without permission), just to help young artists overcome common problems with creating comic books: here, at the Temple of Seven Camels
It's great to hear the Disney people still have hearts of gold. Really cool how illustration and storytelling is at some level a mystical art that is passed and reinterpreted from generation to generation. What a kick to be in on that at Disney.
Keep us posted!
this is beyond art school, it has nothing to do with going to art school and being force fed master paintings
it has to do with personal discovery as an artist, and who at the end of the day we're trying to emulate and learn from
with deviantart, it's so easy to be exposed to so many contemporary artists of varying degrees of skills and quality.
you get x artist who was really inspired by the lion king
so she starts copying the lion king drawings
without realizing that those drawings were developed from actual live drawings of animals on location
she just copies the style
then she makes like a cow character or something in that style
y artist sees it on deviantart and likes it
so she copies that
b artist copies that artist
and so on and so on and so on
it doesn't take much hunting through deviantart to see that
it doesn't take much hunting through many people's professional portfolios AFTER they graduated from art school to see it!
in the past there was a learn from those before you type of system and really that was it
you'd be exposed of course to your peers work if you were in college with them, for sure
but typically, unless you were surrounded by 100s of friends who were all artists, you were learning from people who had been published somewhere
that's not how it is anymore
you can still learn from the ones that came before you of course
but there's also a ton of other artists of varying skill levels that young artists can also learn from.
do you see what i'm saying?
Pff! I've been espousing the magic of Chicken and Waffles on these boards for ages now. AGES. Well ok, it wasn't that long.
I do get what you are saying Beavs. I'm saying that among those crowds of people who make those mistakes or copy from lion king, some will go to art school, some will follow the advice of others, and some will not.
Those without the will to seek out the proper answers or choose to ignore them are responsible for their own fates.
In such connected world, the information is out there and I believe there is such a saturation even in deviant art of helpful advice that the next generation of artists have it way better then we did.
But its up to them to listen. Or make a change if they really want. And if they don't really want to then they won't change.
Not all artists have the same motivations as you or I. Some are just in it for a cheap thrill. Some see it as a career. And some see it as a means of expression.
you can't really force everyone within such a large classification called "artist" to do what you think is right or good. And by you I mean the mentoring artist community. Kids will listen or not listen. Some are stuck, some have potential, you did your part by offering the help. If your career isnt artistic education then you shouldnt lose hair over it. People who really want to do this seriously will have the drive. Or find the means to gain the drive.
edit:
some people just start of copying their favorite artists. Gabe copied Stephen Silver and X men. Kurtz copied Charles Schultz and Jim Davis. Me I copied the xenogears artbooks. You can't expect people to just pop out with an original style whole cloth.
in short: cut the kids some slack.
edit:
interesting idea just popped up. what if this enforcing of sort of professional art approaches is establishing the neurosis a lot of beginning career artists have about their own work? Things that breed lack of confidence and turn something they loved doing into something that instead brings up doubt and frustration?
The more I was taught art, the more I felt hampered by what I didnt know. I find it very difficult to draw for fun nowadays.
artistjeffc.tumblr.com http://www.etsy.com/shop/artistjeffc
sorry about that, I must have lost my head...
badumpush.
Probably afraid of you cuz you owned a guillotine.
artistjeffc.tumblr.com http://www.etsy.com/shop/artistjeffc
although you can probably get a head in there if you try
but he doesn't mean the french method of execution
I'm requesting a new one, has anyone ever used those laser guided ones? I have the choice of buying a 15" laser guided guillotine which leaves me plenty of room on my desk... or a really heavy duty 18" monster that takes up considerably more space and has no laser....
Which to choose?
Dude.
Lasers.