Alfred J. Kwakis it because you were insultedwhen I insulted your hair?Registered Userregular
edited August 2010
Currently in the Netherlands, moving back to Vienna/Austria in September. I'm aware that the study might be vastly different from country to country, heck even from university to university.
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Deebaseron my way to work in a suit and a tieAhhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
You know who has a BA in communications?
Sarah Palin
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Alfred J. Kwakis it because you were insultedwhen I insulted your hair?Registered Userregular
edited August 2010
Do you hate me or something.
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Deebaseron my way to work in a suit and a tieAhhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
Not at all, dude.
I was just letting you know that stateside "communications" is the major that would be Business and Journalism majors flock to when they find shit is "too hard". I have no clue what it is like in the Netherlands.
I was just letting you know that stateside "communications" is the major that would be Business and Journalism majors flock to when they find shit is "too hard". I have no clue what it is like in the Netherlands.
And athletes
And sorority girls
And even the most unpopular dumb kids eventually find out that there's a major that takes absolutely no work and requires no thinking.
Yeah, it has a real bad reputation state-side. Make sure whoever you get your opinions from in this thread doesn't live here.
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Alfred J. Kwakis it because you were insultedwhen I insulted your hair?Registered Userregular
edited August 2010
Well, so far this thread has been .. worryingly. I better go searching again.
Think about the job you want after you're done school, and find out what degree will best land you that job. I know too many people that get their degrees then go, "Now what?"
If the job you want requires a BA in Communications, then go for it.
There are two reasons to go to college. One, is to get the knowledge and degree necessary to get a job. The other, is to better one's self.
Personally, I feel that you shouldn't go to a college that costs a significant amount of money unless you have a clear goal in what you plan to get out of it. If it's not a job you're looking for, then go for it. If there's a specific field you want to get into, then research it.
A degree in media and communications won't get you a great job on it's own. That's not to say your life will be a failure or any such nonsense. There are plenty of ways to get a great job, but just don't expect your degree to be of any great assistance.
Comparing the reputation of degrees between continents is very difficult, because the way university courses are set up varies so wildly. There's enough of a difference when you compare the UK to the Netherlands, as I've found. (Dutchie studying in the UK.)
You're adding an extra layer of complexity to it by moving to a country which, well, most of us don't know much about.
Perhaps the best thing to do is to see whether the reputation of the degree in the Netherlands matches up with it's bad reputation in the US? If the same opinion holds, that should give you some strong indicators about the utility of the course worldwide. Theoretically it's reputation should be better in the Netherlands, it's raking in a ton of money in the advertising sector these days - but if the opinion is just as bad, it's a strong indication of the degrees utility. Just a thought.
Personally, I feel that you shouldn't go to a college that costs a significant amount of money unless you have a clear goal in what you plan to get out of it..
He's going to study in the EU. He's not going to be out a big amount of money in any case, and even if Austria doesn't give him a bursary, the Dutch government will fund a good amount of money for him.
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Alfred J. Kwakis it because you were insultedwhen I insulted your hair?Registered Userregular
Personally, I feel that you shouldn't go to a college that costs a significant amount of money unless you have a clear goal in what you plan to get out of it..
He's going to study in the EU. He's not going to be out a big amount of money in any case, and even if Austria doesn't give him a bursary, the Dutch government will fund a good amount of money for him.
To clarify, studying in Austria is actually free of cost (again). :P
And I'm from Austria. I've come to the Netherlands this summer to learn for a language exam (which I failed) and to study games technology here (which might not have been the best study for me in the first place). In any case, I think what I'm really looking for are film classes, but there're probably entry requirements for that (have to check). At the moment I'm basically going through the list of all available courses and try to find something for me, and I was just curious about this one. Going to Germany is still also an option, so there's a lot to pick from.
If you're just taking a communications course because you don't know what you want, you'll end up as a store clerk. People who who have a passion for any communications field will always shine the brightest, jobs will go to them.
Don't choose communications because you don't know what you want. It's a poor decision.
I have a BS in communications, and I'm a graphic designer. Study what you want in college and figure out what is going to be applicable to your job field. All of the jobs I've applied for just care that you have a degree and experience. The actual field it's in isn't important as long as you can do the job.
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Alfred J. Kwakis it because you were insultedwhen I insulted your hair?Registered Userregular
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Well, I know for sure that I don't want to start a technical study. The problem with the aforementioned games technology course for example was that it's very programming-orientated and math-heavy, which, contrary to what my school grades say, I'm actually not very good at. Well, unfortunately, I'm not very good at a lot of things, which kinda restricts my options. I have a casual interest in art, design, movies and story writing, although no real expertise in any of those. Can you see my dilemma?
Well, unfortunately, I'm not very good at a lot of things, which kinda restricts my options. I have a casual interest in art, design, movies and story writing, although no real expertise in any of those. Can you see my dilemma?
wtf. This is the weirdest attitude I've ever seen. You're about to go to college, and you refuse to attempt anything that you have no expertise in. Are you attempting to complete schooling while avoiding all new information somehow?
I have zero expertise in wood working, but if I wanted to be a carpenter, I'd take shop class and gain that expertise.
So, no I can't really see your dilemma. You have the chance right now to learn pretty much any craft you want, but you're going to choose a major that you have no interest in because the others involve learning new things?
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Alfred J. Kwakis it because you were insultedwhen I insulted your hair?Registered Userregular
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Heck no I'd love to do something in that area, I just need to find out what courses are available that interest me. Forget about that silly last sentence in my previous post.
Are you more interested in media (Film, Photography, etc) or are you more interested in communications (Public Relations, Journalism, Marketing, etc)?
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edited August 2010
As a German I would like to point out that Theater- Film- und Fernsehwissenschaften is not the same as Communication studies.
The former has a strong focus on the history of theatre, film and tv and will also deal with some of the technical aspects probably have general courses on the theory of scriptwriting, etc.
I know that there is a school for that in Cologne that was supposed to be pretty good where you could even specialize if you wanted to be a director or producer or scriptwriter eventually, but that was private and so did cost money.
But this is not like communication studies, which would be Kommunikationswissenschaften, which is a separate subject.
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Alfred J. Kwakis it because you were insultedwhen I insulted your hair?Registered Userregular
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Thanks for clearing that up, I already was afraid I made a mistake there. I believe a thread title change is in order
if you haven't seen this website before I think you are going to thoroughly enjoy it.
my German isn't good enough to decipher the fine points of curriculum, but Wuppertal has a Mediendesign program that might be along the lines you are looking for.
the best advice I can give is to work backwards. do not blindly aim for a degree and then hope to make a job work with that degree. sure, you can get a job in graphic design with a masters in russian language and literature, but you'll have a much easier time of it with a bachelor's of graphic design.
Look first for the companies you want to work for. Say, Motion Theory. (http://www.motiontheory.com/). Call them up. Ask them who they are and what kind of education they have- what kind of degree they recommend for doing what they do, and what kind of people they look for to work with them. What kind of experience outside of a degree program do they have?
They may or may not be your end goal, but now you know what it takes to do what they do. The hardest part might be finding the companies / firms that do what you're looking for- often the best are low profile.
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I was just letting you know that stateside "communications" is the major that would be Business and Journalism majors flock to when they find shit is "too hard". I have no clue what it is like in the Netherlands.
And athletes
And sorority girls
And even the most unpopular dumb kids eventually find out that there's a major that takes absolutely no work and requires no thinking.
Yeah, it has a real bad reputation state-side. Make sure whoever you get your opinions from in this thread doesn't live here.
If the job you want requires a BA in Communications, then go for it.
Personally, I feel that you shouldn't go to a college that costs a significant amount of money unless you have a clear goal in what you plan to get out of it. If it's not a job you're looking for, then go for it. If there's a specific field you want to get into, then research it.
A degree in media and communications won't get you a great job on it's own. That's not to say your life will be a failure or any such nonsense. There are plenty of ways to get a great job, but just don't expect your degree to be of any great assistance.
You're adding an extra layer of complexity to it by moving to a country which, well, most of us don't know much about.
Perhaps the best thing to do is to see whether the reputation of the degree in the Netherlands matches up with it's bad reputation in the US? If the same opinion holds, that should give you some strong indicators about the utility of the course worldwide. Theoretically it's reputation should be better in the Netherlands, it's raking in a ton of money in the advertising sector these days - but if the opinion is just as bad, it's a strong indication of the degrees utility. Just a thought.
He's going to study in the EU. He's not going to be out a big amount of money in any case, and even if Austria doesn't give him a bursary, the Dutch government will fund a good amount of money for him.
To clarify, studying in Austria is actually free of cost (again). :P
And I'm from Austria. I've come to the Netherlands this summer to learn for a language exam (which I failed) and to study games technology here (which might not have been the best study for me in the first place). In any case, I think what I'm really looking for are film classes, but there're probably entry requirements for that (have to check). At the moment I'm basically going through the list of all available courses and try to find something for me, and I was just curious about this one. Going to Germany is still also an option, so there's a lot to pick from.
If you're just taking a communications course because you don't know what you want, you'll end up as a store clerk. People who who have a passion for any communications field will always shine the brightest, jobs will go to them.
Don't choose communications because you don't know what you want. It's a poor decision.
This, basically, is exactly what I want to do.
wtf. This is the weirdest attitude I've ever seen. You're about to go to college, and you refuse to attempt anything that you have no expertise in. Are you attempting to complete schooling while avoiding all new information somehow?
I have zero expertise in wood working, but if I wanted to be a carpenter, I'd take shop class and gain that expertise.
So, no I can't really see your dilemma. You have the chance right now to learn pretty much any craft you want, but you're going to choose a major that you have no interest in because the others involve learning new things?
The former has a strong focus on the history of theatre, film and tv and will also deal with some of the technical aspects probably have general courses on the theory of scriptwriting, etc.
I know that there is a school for that in Cologne that was supposed to be pretty good where you could even specialize if you wanted to be a director or producer or scriptwriter eventually, but that was private and so did cost money.
But this is not like communication studies, which would be Kommunikationswissenschaften, which is a separate subject.
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definitely the former
http://motionographer.com/
if you haven't seen this website before I think you are going to thoroughly enjoy it.
my German isn't good enough to decipher the fine points of curriculum, but Wuppertal has a Mediendesign program that might be along the lines you are looking for.
http://www.uni-wuppertal.de/fachbereiche/fachbereich_f/
the best advice I can give is to work backwards. do not blindly aim for a degree and then hope to make a job work with that degree. sure, you can get a job in graphic design with a masters in russian language and literature, but you'll have a much easier time of it with a bachelor's of graphic design.
Look first for the companies you want to work for. Say, Motion Theory. (http://www.motiontheory.com/). Call them up. Ask them who they are and what kind of education they have- what kind of degree they recommend for doing what they do, and what kind of people they look for to work with them. What kind of experience outside of a degree program do they have?
They may or may not be your end goal, but now you know what it takes to do what they do. The hardest part might be finding the companies / firms that do what you're looking for- often the best are low profile.
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