Meh, only the 2nd game was interesting.
What's missing from PvP? Reavers.
People figuring out the matchup.
Same as in BW it's pretty much a bunch of BOs that counter each other. Right now the safest one is 4 gate, but as you saw it gets destroyed by 3 gate phoenix for example, if they manage to hold out until they have a few.
So time, and more games played. Zealot nerf helps, although it might move the matchup to even more stalker/colossi, which would be kinda boring :P.
scouts are the worst unit and I only saw them used once effectively. In an epic game where stork held of a 4 pool with probes and after a while one zealot. Then he got a scout since the zerg didn't have any anti air, and it slowly, ever so slowly actually killed a few things.
scouts are the worst unit and I only saw them used once effectively. In an epic game where stork held of a 4 pool with probes and after a while one zealot. Then he got a scout since the zerg didn't have any anti air, and it slowly, ever so slowly actually killed a few things.
scouts were super-effective anti-air, though. you could take down fleets of BCs with them.
In tvt you can open with bio, mech, banshee and research a ton of options.
In pvp it's all 4 gate press s press z gg.
2 gate beats 4 gate.
3 gate phoenix beats 4 gate.
DTs beat 4 gate.
2 gate colossi with forcefields on ramp can beat it on a large map.
But 4 gate is the easiest build, and kiwikaki likes it. Makes sense seeing as how his stalker micro is pretty damn sweet, and first that style perfectly. Right in your opponents face, ruining their day.
Scouts were only worth it against mass BCs, or mass carriers. Either way there were cheaper/easier/more effective options available. In short, they were expensive, slow and bad in general.
Meh, only the 2nd game was interesting.
What's missing from PvP? Reavers.
People figuring out the matchup.
Same as in BW it's pretty much a bunch of BOs that counter each other. Right now the safest one is 4 gate, but as you saw it gets destroyed by 3 gate phoenix for example, if they manage to hold out until they have a few.
So time, and more games played. Zealot nerf helps, although it might move the matchup to even more stalker/colossi, which would be kinda boring :P.
scouts are the worst unit and I only saw them used once effectively. In an epic game where stork held of a 4 pool with probes and after a while one zealot. Then he got a scout since the zerg didn't have any anti air, and it slowly, ever so slowly actually killed a few things.
I didn't really like PvP in BW either, but it had at least it had really exciting moments with reaver drops and reaver/shuttle micro. TvT was the best mirror in BW and it's still the best in SC2.
The guy who replied "scouts too" was being sardonic.
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
Having just read the upcoming balance patch, interested in seeing how much a 5 second increased build time on Reapers is going to impact the typical TvZ Reaper opening. They seemed to be doing it aimed at stopping reaper bunker rushes, which I didn't really see at all being used.
Didn't see the tank nerf incoming, though I'm now curious in seeing what this does for TvT matchups. It had been going for mass marauders because marines got one shot by tanks, but now they'd only be doing 35 damage to them while marauders take full damage. Will TvT stick to marauders for the increased damage vs. tanks or will a more rounded force marine/marauder come back since marines won't die as quick to them.
In tvt you can open with bio, mech, banshee and research a ton of options.
In pvp it's all 4 gate press s press z gg.
2 gate beats 4 gate.
3 gate phoenix beats 4 gate.
DTs beat 4 gate.
2 gate colossi with forcefields on ramp can beat it on a large map.
But 4 gate is the easiest build, and kiwikaki likes it. Makes sense seeing as how his stalker micro is pretty damn sweet, and first that style perfectly. Right in your opponents face, ruining their day.
Scouts were only worth it against mass BCs, or mass carriers. Either way there were cheaper/easier/more effective options available. In short, they were expensive, slow and bad in general.
i'm not watching the games, but once these guys expand, don't they usually put up more buildings?
In tvt you can open with bio, mech, banshee and research a ton of options.
In pvp it's all 4 gate press s press z gg.
2 gate beats 4 gate.
3 gate phoenix beats 4 gate.
DTs beat 4 gate.
2 gate colossi with forcefields on ramp can beat it on a large map.
But 4 gate is the easiest build, and kiwikaki likes it. Makes sense seeing as how his stalker micro is pretty damn sweet, and first that style perfectly. Right in your opponents face, ruining their day.
Scouts were only worth it against mass BCs, or mass carriers. Either way there were cheaper/easier/more effective options available. In short, they were expensive, slow and bad in general.
i'm not watching the games, but once these guys expand, don't they usually put up more buildings?
I did not see any expansions in the games I watched...
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
Yes. But a lot of PvP is 1base, unless it gets into mid/late game (which is fairly uncommon).
Sigh... lost four in a row this afternoon. 3 of them were ZvZ, were it pretty much ended on 'Who could get Mutalisks before being overrun by Zerlings/Banelings....' I'm kind of sick how ZvZ turns out like that pretty much every game.
In tvt you can open with bio, mech, banshee and research a ton of options.
In pvp it's all 4 gate press s press z gg.
2 gate beats 4 gate.
3 gate phoenix beats 4 gate.
DTs beat 4 gate.
2 gate colossi with forcefields on ramp can beat it on a large map.
But 4 gate is the easiest build, and kiwikaki likes it. Makes sense seeing as how his stalker micro is pretty damn sweet, and first that style perfectly. Right in your opponents face, ruining their day.
Scouts were only worth it against mass BCs, or mass carriers. Either way there were cheaper/easier/more effective options available. In short, they were expensive, slow and bad in general.
i'm not watching the games, but once these guys expand, don't they usually put up more buildings?
I did not see any expansions in the games I watched...
ok, that answers my question. its all 1 base, and armies going at it. But, why does the 1 phoenix beat the 4 gate. Honestly, I'm puzzled.
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he was second guessing huk only having 2 guys in gas when it really didn't make sense
and then huk put a third in gas
HELL YEAH
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Kiwikaki did do a insanely huge mistake though. Ramps are deathtraps for stalkers.
What's missing from PvP? Reavers.
and scouts.
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People figuring out the matchup.
Same as in BW it's pretty much a bunch of BOs that counter each other. Right now the safest one is 4 gate, but as you saw it gets destroyed by 3 gate phoenix for example, if they manage to hold out until they have a few.
So time, and more games played. Zealot nerf helps, although it might move the matchup to even more stalker/colossi, which would be kinda boring :P.
scouts are the worst unit and I only saw them used once effectively. In an epic game where stork held of a 4 pool with probes and after a while one zealot. Then he got a scout since the zerg didn't have any anti air, and it slowly, ever so slowly actually killed a few things.
And Terran. Because EVERYONE plays terran, whether willingly or not.
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In pvp it's all 4 gate press s press z gg.
Remember to press e a few times, too.
he's actually a hobbit
(he sits on a pillow when he plays)
Normally I would say "You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar"
Not this time.
You're a fucking hero.
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undein, I just noticed the mouse-hover text on your sig.
Nice.
"I hold the mic."
yeh, its like a 60/30/10 mix. Z and S can be switched for the 60-30, but you need to remember the occassional sentry.
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2 gate beats 4 gate.
3 gate phoenix beats 4 gate.
DTs beat 4 gate.
2 gate colossi with forcefields on ramp can beat it on a large map.
But 4 gate is the easiest build, and kiwikaki likes it. Makes sense seeing as how his stalker micro is pretty damn sweet, and first that style perfectly. Right in your opponents face, ruining their day.
Scouts were only worth it against mass BCs, or mass carriers. Either way there were cheaper/easier/more effective options available. In short, they were expensive, slow and bad in general.
I didn't really like PvP in BW either, but it had at least it had really exciting moments with reaver drops and reaver/shuttle micro. TvT was the best mirror in BW and it's still the best in SC2.
The guy who replied "scouts too" was being sardonic.
Didn't see the tank nerf incoming, though I'm now curious in seeing what this does for TvT matchups. It had been going for mass marauders because marines got one shot by tanks, but now they'd only be doing 35 damage to them while marauders take full damage. Will TvT stick to marauders for the increased damage vs. tanks or will a more rounded force marine/marauder come back since marines won't die as quick to them.
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i'm not watching the games, but once these guys expand, don't they usually put up more buildings?
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ha
ha
I did not see any expansions in the games I watched...
I think I need to take a break.
ok, that answers my question. its all 1 base, and armies going at it. But, why does the 1 phoenix beat the 4 gate. Honestly, I'm puzzled.
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