If they don't just have a 'canon' event to fall back on(so if you didn't play the DLC, they can just say that Shepard did that after the game), they could have people referring to the Shadow Broker, and either Shepard knowing who it is, or finding out later on (they can just say that Liara found a way to do the job herself)
That bothers some people though, and I can see their point. It feels like such a complete part of the full game that it really shouldn't have been an optional DLC, ya know?
Too bad people say this about every DLC.
If it's good, it should have been in the game already. If it's bad, it's a cash grab.
You just can't win with people.
The only DLC like that I get like that about is the stuff that they either release on launch day, or the '800 points for an unlock code' stuff.
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Yeah and most importantly it wasn't pointless (Ala Dragon Ages DLC or some of the stuff for ME2). It actually added and expanded the story in ME2 and bridged it to ME3. IMO the best compliment I can think of for DLC is that it feels like a great part of the main game. This DLC works if you play it after the main story as well, which I thought was an excellent touch and made perfect sense. I was also pleased with it because my femshep cared nothing for any of the "romance" options presented in the game so getting Liara back was a good deal for her.
Overall I can't say this enough, I really want more DLC like this. It's worth every penny. It doesn't feel like something just thrown into the game to expand it a bit, it feels like a legitimate and complete part of the full game.
That bothers some people though, and I can see their point. It feels like such a complete part of the full game that it really shouldn't have been an optional DLC, ya know?
I'm doing a play through on insanity and have a couple questions. First, if I get a bonus power, can I also do advanced training? Second, what are good bonus powers for soldier on insanity? I was thinking geth shield and warp ammo or reave.
Yea, you can also do advanced training. Geth Shield is worthless, it gets shredded too quickly to do any good. Warp ammo is what I use.
I swapped my powers (and their point allocation) depending on the mission I was doing. Recruiting Jack? I'd retrain and max out squad disruptor ammo (lots of shielded enemies on insanity) then take Reave for the anti-armor. Going against collectors? Squad warp ammo please.
If they don't just have a 'canon' event to fall back on(so if you didn't play the DLC, they can just say that Shepard did that after the game), they could have people referring to the Shadow Broker, and either Shepard knowing who it is, or finding out later on (they can just say that Liara found a way to do the job herself)
Given that if you have the DLC, then it's a thing which definitely happens, then they could simply show a recap which explained what Shepard had been up to between the games.
Its optional and has an enormous impact. Liara being the Shadow Broker is a major and fundamental change to the setting and should effect so much, and I'm worried its going to be largely brushed aside because not everyone will have played it.
I really wouldn't worry about that. Since that development happens regardless of what you do, I think it's safe to assume that it will simply have happened in ME3 whether a particular player was "there" for it or not, and players who didn't play the DLC will simply have missed out on some context.
what gives you the impression that it happens whether you are there or not? shepard provided the data on the SB's location, as well as aiding liara all the way there. i'd hardly suggest shepard's involvement as useless.
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jefe414"My Other Drill Hole is a Teleporter"Mechagodzilla is Best GodzillaRegistered Userregular
That bothers some people though, and I can see their point. It feels like such a complete part of the full game that it really shouldn't have been an optional DLC, ya know?
Too bad people say this about every DLC.
If it's good, it should have been in the game already. If it's bad, it's a cash grab.
You just can't win with people.
I don't see DLC missions as cash grabs. The extra weapons and costumes for $$? Yes, nothing but cash grabs. Include the weapons as free (like the evicerator shotgun) or in mission DLC (like the locust). A separate weapon only pack is... beneath Bioware in my option. I would have liked to see the Geth shotgun in Overlord (fits with the story) and the new handgun in LotSB. The mattock? Fit it in somewhere.
I think it would be pretty cool if you don't play LotSB and like
when you meet Liara she's all sarcastic and pissy.
L: "Gee, thanks for all the help taking down the old Shadow Broker"
S: "Sorry, I was kinda busy..."
L: "Suuuuure. You know I had to kill a goddamn Spectre!"
L: "And you know who the SB turned out to be? A goddamn ogre!"
S: "Wow, that's really..."
L: "Good thing Wrex and Ashley helped me out."
L: "You can forget about sexy times by the way."
S: *sadface*
Its optional and has an enormous impact. Liara being the Shadow Broker is a major and fundamental change to the setting and should effect so much, and I'm worried its going to be largely brushed aside because not everyone will have played it.
I really wouldn't worry about that. Since that development happens regardless of what you do, I think it's safe to assume that it will simply have happened in ME3 whether a particular player was "there" for it or not, and players who didn't play the DLC will simply have missed out on some context.
what gives you the impression that it happens whether you are there or not? shepard provided the data on the SB's location, as well as aiding liara all the way there. i'd hardly suggest shepard's involvement as useless.
I mean that
since there are no major, story-altering choices to be made, and Liara becomes the Shadow Broker no matter what
it will almost certainly have happened whether you the player are there or not.
Also when your enemies fall down after getting out of Stasis, they're ragdolled - so until they start getting up they take huge amounts of damage from weapon's fire, as if they were caught in Pull or a Singularity.
I am finding Stasis immensely useful on my Adept.
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I think it would be pretty cool if you don't play LotSB and like
when you meet Liara she's all sarcastic and pissy.
L: "Gee, thanks for all the help taking down the old Shadow Broker"
S: "Sorry, I was kinda busy..."
L: "Suuuuure. You know I had to kill a goddamn Spectre!"
L: "And you know who the SB turned out to be? A goddamn ogre!"
S: "Wow, that's really..."
L: "Good thing Wrex and Ashley helped me out."
L: "You can forget about sexy times by the way."
S: *sadface*
I doubt it'll be anything that complicated. The game will probably just act like Shepard went about helping Liara, the player themselves simply not having a part in them.
I think it would be pretty cool if you don't play LotSB and like
when you meet Liara she's all sarcastic and pissy.
L: "Gee, thanks for all the help taking down the old Shadow Broker"
S: "Sorry, I was kinda busy..."
L: "Suuuuure. You know I had to kill a goddamn Spectre!"
L: "And you know who the SB turned out to be? A goddamn ogre!"
S: "Wow, that's really..."
L: "Good thing Wrex and Ashley helped me out."
L: "You can forget about sexy times by the way."
S: *sadface*
I doubt it'll be anything that complicated. The game will probably just act like Shepard went about helping Liara, the player themselves simply not having a part in them.
Or it could covered like Shepard's initial backstory is: by voice-over from Anderson or someone similar in the opening sequence. Or the Reapers themselves.
Its optional and has an enormous impact. Liara being the Shadow Broker is a major and fundamental change to the setting and should effect so much, and I'm worried its going to be largely brushed aside because not everyone will have played it.
I really wouldn't worry about that. Since that development happens regardless of what you do, I think it's safe to assume that it will simply have happened in ME3 whether a particular player was "there" for it or not, and players who didn't play the DLC will simply have missed out on some context.
what gives you the impression that it happens whether you are there or not? shepard provided the data on the SB's location, as well as aiding liara all the way there. i'd hardly suggest shepard's involvement as useless.
I mean that
since there are no major, story-altering choices to be made, and Liara becomes the Shadow Broker no matter what
it will almost certainly have happened whether you the player are there or not.
Now we begin the countdown to people thinking
Liara was secretly the Shadow Broker the whole series.
Question about the ending of LotSB, for those who romanced Liara
If you stay faithful to her, is there any actual romance option, or does it end more on the "those were some good times" vibe that it does if you romanced someone else in the main game (of ME2)?
I was just wondering if I could have changed my mind, I romanced Miranda in my current playthrough, but found the interaction between Liara and Shepard to be far more "real" and meaningful in LotSB than the conversations with Miranda in the course of the game, and am curious if, when I inevitably play my paragon through for the "perfect" playthrough, I should stay faithful to Liara.
And I was wondering if I stayed faithful, if there was any actual romance (I don't mean a booty call scene), or if it ends more buddy buddy no matter what.
Also not really related, is there any way, once you've fully completed the game, to trigger "the next day" for the terminals? I have no assignments left in the galaxy, so I can't see a way to get any new stuff.
That bothers some people though, and I can see their point. It feels like such a complete part of the full game that it really shouldn't have been an optional DLC, ya know?
These people are silly geese. You can plainly see this is content that wasn't part of the game until after the game was released; see also Overlord and Kasumi. You can see their developers know now what they should be doing, are listening to user feedback and are getting better and better at giving us, the players, exactly what we're looking for--and so it's one of the best, if not the best mission so far. Contrast to Zaeed's mission, which is fun and all, but isn't amazing.
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Also not really related, is there any way, once you've fully completed the game, to trigger "the next day" for the terminals? I have no assignments left in the galaxy, so I can't see a way to get any new stuff.
Leave and come back. At least for the video terminal.
Question about the ending of LotSB, for those who romanced Liara
If you stay faithful to her, is there any actual romance option, or does it end more on the "those were some good times" vibe that it does if you romanced someone else in the main game (of ME2)?
I was just wondering if I could have changed my mind, I romanced Miranda in my current playthrough, but found the interaction between Liara and Shepard to be far more "real" and meaningful in LotSB than the conversations with Miranda in the course of the game, and am curious if, when I inevitably play my paragon through for the "perfect" playthrough, I should stay faithful to Liara.
And I was wondering if I stayed faithful, if there was any actual romance (I don't mean a booty call scene), or if it ends more buddy buddy no matter what.
Also not really related, is there any way, once you've fully completed the game, to trigger "the next day" for the terminals? I have no assignments left in the galaxy, so I can't see a way to get any new stuff.
Well, for Liara
There isn't anything explicit, but you have some really good dialogue about your future plans. Also: you do that mindsex thing with your clothes on.
Question about the ending of LotSB, for those who romanced Liara
If you stay faithful to her, is there any actual romance option, or does it end more on the "those were some good times" vibe that it does if you romanced someone else in the main game (of ME2)?
I was just wondering if I could have changed my mind, I romanced Miranda in my current playthrough, but found the interaction between Liara and Shepard to be far more "real" and meaningful in LotSB than the conversations with Miranda in the course of the game, and am curious if, when I inevitably play my paragon through for the "perfect" playthrough, I should stay faithful to Liara.
And I was wondering if I stayed faithful, if there was any actual romance (I don't mean a booty call scene), or if it ends more buddy buddy no matter what.
Also not really related, is there any way, once you've fully completed the game, to trigger "the next day" for the terminals? I have no assignments left in the galaxy, so I can't see a way to get any new stuff.
LotSB ending spoiler
If you somehow manage not to blink and hit every Paragon interrupt, you can convince her to come back to the Normandy for drinks. Then, there's ANOTHER hyper-short Paragon interrupt which leads to some implied blue nookie.
It appears that the Advanced Training for squadmates is only giving me 29 points instead of 30. I guess it's ignoring the point you get by unlocking loyalty. Has anyone else run into this? Is it even a bug, or just a pain in the ass?
Question about the ending of LotSB, for those who romanced Liara
If you stay faithful to her, is there any actual romance option, or does it end more on the "those were some good times" vibe that it does if you romanced someone else in the main game (of ME2)?
I was just wondering if I could have changed my mind, I romanced Miranda in my current playthrough, but found the interaction between Liara and Shepard to be far more "real" and meaningful in LotSB than the conversations with Miranda in the course of the game, and am curious if, when I inevitably play my paragon through for the "perfect" playthrough, I should stay faithful to Liara.
And I was wondering if I stayed faithful, if there was any actual romance (I don't mean a booty call scene), or if it ends more buddy buddy no matter what.
Also not really related, is there any way, once you've fully completed the game, to trigger "the next day" for the terminals? I have no assignments left in the galaxy, so I can't see a way to get any new stuff.
LotSB ending spoiler
If you somehow manage not to blink and hit every Paragon interrupt, you can convince her to come back to the Normandy for drinks. Then, there's ANOTHER hyper-short Paragon interrupt which leads to some implied blue nookie.
But man. I wish GuyShepard wasn't such a creep.
Wait, what? I got all of that with normal conversation options, even with my super-Renegade. Was it just because I romanced her in game 1, or what?
It appears that the Advanced Training for squadmates is only giving me 29 points instead of 30. I guess it's ignoring the point you get by unlocking loyalty. Has anyone else run into this? Is it even a bug, or just a pain in the ass?
Miranda and Jacob join your team with points already allocated I believe.
Question about the ending of LotSB, for those who romanced Liara
If you stay faithful to her, is there any actual romance option, or does it end more on the "those were some good times" vibe that it does if you romanced someone else in the main game (of ME2)?
I was just wondering if I could have changed my mind, I romanced Miranda in my current playthrough, but found the interaction between Liara and Shepard to be far more "real" and meaningful in LotSB than the conversations with Miranda in the course of the game, and am curious if, when I inevitably play my paragon through for the "perfect" playthrough, I should stay faithful to Liara.
And I was wondering if I stayed faithful, if there was any actual romance (I don't mean a booty call scene), or if it ends more buddy buddy no matter what.
Also not really related, is there any way, once you've fully completed the game, to trigger "the next day" for the terminals? I have no assignments left in the galaxy, so I can't see a way to get any new stuff.
LotSB ending spoiler
If you somehow manage not to blink and hit every Paragon interrupt, you can convince her to come back to the Normandy for drinks. Then, there's ANOTHER hyper-short Paragon interrupt which leads to some implied blue nookie.
But man. I wish GuyShepard wasn't such a creep.
Wait, what? I got all of that with normal conversation options, even with my super-Renegade. Was it just because I romanced her in game 1, or what?
It's entirely possible you don't need the Paragon interrupts. I didn't exactly have a Renegade save right there, y'know?
It appears that the Advanced Training for squadmates is only giving me 29 points instead of 30. I guess it's ignoring the point you get by unlocking loyalty. Has anyone else run into this? Is it even a bug, or just a pain in the ass?
You can allot the full 30 when you have loyalties unlocked.
It appears that the Advanced Training for squadmates is only giving me 29 points instead of 30. I guess it's ignoring the point you get by unlocking loyalty. Has anyone else run into this? Is it even a bug, or just a pain in the ass?
Miranda and Jacob join your team with points already allocated I believe.
Yeah, they get 31 total and all other squadmates get 30. I'm going to jump in and see if this is also bugged for Miranda and Jacob- I had only made attempts with Thane and Jack.
Wait, what? I got all of that with normal conversation options, even with my super-Renegade. Was it just because I romanced her in game 1, or what?
It's entirely possible you don't need the Paragon interrupts. I didn't exactly have a Renegade save right there, y'know?
I think what it may be there is
The interrupts you're talking about are after killing Vasir and then after killing the Broker, right? The few after killing Vasir are just to get her to talk to you in a Paragon capacity - to make sure she's not crazy. Th Shadow Broker one is jsut a kiss and doesn't affect her coming onto the Normandy, or any subsequent nookie.
Question about the ending of LotSB, for those who romanced Liara
If you stay faithful to her, is there any actual romance option, or does it end more on the "those were some good times" vibe that it does if you romanced someone else in the main game (of ME2)?
I was just wondering if I could have changed my mind, I romanced Miranda in my current playthrough, but found the interaction between Liara and Shepard to be far more "real" and meaningful in LotSB than the conversations with Miranda in the course of the game, and am curious if, when I inevitably play my paragon through for the "perfect" playthrough, I should stay faithful to Liara.
And I was wondering if I stayed faithful, if there was any actual romance (I don't mean a booty call scene), or if it ends more buddy buddy no matter what.
Realized I didn't really answer your question re: the ending of LotSB...
I had one conversation option on the Normandy where GuyShepard was talking to her about marriage and little blue children.
It appears that the Advanced Training for squadmates is only giving me 29 points instead of 30. I guess it's ignoring the point you get by unlocking loyalty. Has anyone else run into this? Is it even a bug, or just a pain in the ass?
Miranda and Jacob join your team with points already allocated I believe.
Yeah, they get 31 total and all other squadmates get 30. I'm going to jump in and see if this is also bugged for Miranda and Jacob- I had only made attempts with Thane and Jack.
Wait, what? I got all of that with normal conversation options, even with my super-Renegade. Was it just because I romanced her in game 1, or what?
It's entirely possible you don't need the Paragon interrupts. I didn't exactly have a Renegade save right there, y'know?
I think what it may be there is
The interrupts you're talking about are after killing Vasir and then after killing the Broker, right? The few after killing Vasir are just to get her to talk to you in a Paragon capacity - to make sure she's not crazy. Th Shadow Broker one is jsut a kiss and doesn't affect her coming onto the Normandy, or any subsequent nookie.
That makes sense. I thought I remembered one
in Shepard's quarters
but maybe I was imagining it. Or misremembering. I remember the symbol coming up several times.
So, Which of the many dlc are worth buying? Obviously Shadow Broker, Since you guys seem to love it. Any others worth the money?
I think both of the mission ones (Overlord and Kasumi) are worthwhile, I wish more of the missions in the game were like Overlord. Firewalker was a little disappointing but it was essentially free.
I haven't bothered with and haven't seen any reason to bother with the weapon packs.
The Alternate Appearance Pack is frankly insulting, on the level of horse armor.
Sweet God, Stasis does something else: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPconrfKnsE&fmt=22
Apparently during the falling animation before the enemy completely ragdolls, damage is increased by an absurd amount, much more than being caught in Pull or Singularity.
So Stasis can potentially revive your teammates, instagibs Scions on the Collector Ship Platforms, and makes you do eight zillion damage to enemies just after it's over
Question about the ending of LotSB, for those who romanced Liara
If you stay faithful to her, is there any actual romance option, or does it end more on the "those were some good times" vibe that it does if you romanced someone else in the main game (of ME2)?
I was just wondering if I could have changed my mind, I romanced Miranda in my current playthrough, but found the interaction between Liara and Shepard to be far more "real" and meaningful in LotSB than the conversations with Miranda in the course of the game, and am curious if, when I inevitably play my paragon through for the "perfect" playthrough, I should stay faithful to Liara.
And I was wondering if I stayed faithful, if there was any actual romance (I don't mean a booty call scene), or if it ends more buddy buddy no matter what.
Also not really related, is there any way, once you've fully completed the game, to trigger "the next day" for the terminals? I have no assignments left in the galaxy, so I can't see a way to get any new stuff.
LotSB ending spoiler
If you somehow manage not to blink and hit every Paragon interrupt, you can convince her to come back to the Normandy for drinks. Then, there's ANOTHER hyper-short Paragon interrupt which leads to some implied blue nookie.
But man. I wish GuyShepard wasn't such a creep.
Wait, what? I got all of that with normal conversation options, even with my super-Renegade. Was it just because I romanced her in game 1, or what?
Yeah, I got the full date and I only hit one of the paragon interrupts..
Sweet God, Stasis does something else: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPconrfKnsE&fmt=22
Apparently during the falling animation before the enemy completely ragdolls, damage is increased by an absurd amount, much more than being caught in Pull or Singularity.
So Stasis can potentially revive your teammates, instagibs Scions on the Collector Ship Platforms, and makes you do eight zillion damage to enemies just after it's over
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The only DLC like that I get like that about is the stuff that they either release on launch day, or the '800 points for an unlock code' stuff.
I swapped my powers (and their point allocation) depending on the mission I was doing. Recruiting Jack? I'd retrain and max out squad disruptor ammo (lots of shielded enemies on insanity) then take Reave for the anti-armor. Going against collectors? Squad warp ammo please.
If you use it on the last enemy when your squad is down - say, on the last YMIR in Jacob's loyalty - it automatically revives your squad!
what gives you the impression that it happens whether you are there or not? shepard provided the data on the SB's location, as well as aiding liara all the way there. i'd hardly suggest shepard's involvement as useless.
I don't see DLC missions as cash grabs. The extra weapons and costumes for $$? Yes, nothing but cash grabs. Include the weapons as free (like the evicerator shotgun) or in mission DLC (like the locust). A separate weapon only pack is... beneath Bioware in my option. I would have liked to see the Geth shotgun in Overlord (fits with the story) and the new handgun in LotSB. The mattock? Fit it in somewhere.
L: "Gee, thanks for all the help taking down the old Shadow Broker"
S: "Sorry, I was kinda busy..."
L: "Suuuuure. You know I had to kill a goddamn Spectre!"
L: "And you know who the SB turned out to be? A goddamn ogre!"
S: "Wow, that's really..."
L: "Good thing Wrex and Ashley helped me out."
L: "You can forget about sexy times by the way."
S: *sadface*
I mean that
it will almost certainly have happened whether you the player are there or not.
I am finding Stasis immensely useful on my Adept.
I doubt it'll be anything that complicated. The game will probably just act like Shepard went about helping Liara, the player themselves simply not having a part in them.
Or it could covered like Shepard's initial backstory is: by voice-over from Anderson or someone similar in the opening sequence. Or the Reapers themselves.
Now we begin the countdown to people thinking
I was just wondering if I could have changed my mind, I romanced Miranda in my current playthrough, but found the interaction between Liara and Shepard to be far more "real" and meaningful in LotSB than the conversations with Miranda in the course of the game, and am curious if, when I inevitably play my paragon through for the "perfect" playthrough, I should stay faithful to Liara.
And I was wondering if I stayed faithful, if there was any actual romance (I don't mean a booty call scene), or if it ends more buddy buddy no matter what.
Also not really related, is there any way, once you've fully completed the game, to trigger "the next day" for the terminals? I have no assignments left in the galaxy, so I can't see a way to get any new stuff.
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These people are silly geese. You can plainly see this is content that wasn't part of the game until after the game was released; see also Overlord and Kasumi. You can see their developers know now what they should be doing, are listening to user feedback and are getting better and better at giving us, the players, exactly what we're looking for--and so it's one of the best, if not the best mission so far. Contrast to Zaeed's mission, which is fun and all, but isn't amazing.
Leave and come back. At least for the video terminal.
Well, for Liara
as with me2 from me1, the game simply uses a "default" scenario.
so people not doing the SB dlc will have a "canon" rewrite in me3.
LotSB ending spoiler
But man. I wish GuyShepard wasn't such a creep.
Wait, what? I got all of that with normal conversation options, even with my super-Renegade. Was it just because I romanced her in game 1, or what?
Miranda and Jacob join your team with points already allocated I believe.
It's entirely possible you don't need the Paragon interrupts. I didn't exactly have a Renegade save right there, y'know?
You can allot the full 30 when you have loyalties unlocked.
Yeah, they get 31 total and all other squadmates get 30. I'm going to jump in and see if this is also bugged for Miranda and Jacob- I had only made attempts with Thane and Jack.
I think what it may be there is
Realized I didn't really answer your question re: the ending of LotSB...
...and now it works fine for everyone.:?
I guess every class is
That makes sense. I thought I remembered one
Pretty much.
I think both of the mission ones (Overlord and Kasumi) are worthwhile, I wish more of the missions in the game were like Overlord. Firewalker was a little disappointing but it was essentially free.
I haven't bothered with and haven't seen any reason to bother with the weapon packs.
The Alternate Appearance Pack is frankly insulting, on the level of horse armor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPconrfKnsE&fmt=22
Apparently during the falling animation before the enemy completely ragdolls, damage is increased by an absurd amount, much more than being caught in Pull or Singularity.
So Stasis can potentially revive your teammates, instagibs Scions on the Collector Ship Platforms, and makes you do eight zillion damage to enemies just after it's over
This move is awesome.
I never crossplay in games am I a creep now?
:=?
Nerf it!
Overlord, Kasumi, and Lair of the Shadowbroker are the three big ones. They're all awesome.
I would tenatively recommend the Firepower Pack if you're playing a class with shotguns. The Geth Plasma Shotgun is too much fun.
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