There were a number of them. I wore flannel and listened to Pearl Jam and Nirvana. So Grunge would be close. It was mopey and terrible, but it wasn't fixated on the fetishization of what came before.
so slackers
That was a slightly different subculture. And one that is pretty heavily linked to the explosion of indie films because of camcorders.
Wait did flannel use to be a grunge thing
what is it now?
Now it's something slightly odd to find in someone's closet.
shocking news, someone who is now in his 30s resents the culture of early 20 somethings
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More like disappointment. But this isn't simply a matter of the old hating the young. The question is, what will be the long lasting cultural impact of the hipsters. And from an objective point of view, I don't see one other then the next generation rejecting them.
the fashion they are into strikes me as highly artificial to create such a distinction. glasses without glass in them, scarves in july, tight pants, 'ironic' facial hair, these all seem to me as weirdly unpractical and uncomfortable, all for the purpose of presenting a certain identity. I find it odd when people rely on their plumage to signal that they are part of a group. I also don't like the idea that they are dressing in this way to be alternative, but at the same time they are adhering to what I have observed to be a fairly strict code of conduct and dress.
the fashion they are into strikes me as highly artificial to create such a distinction. glasses without glass in them, scarves in july, tight pants, 'ironic' facial hair, these all seem to me as weirdly unpractical and uncomfortable, all for the purpose of presenting a certain identity. I find it odd when people rely on their plumage to signal that they are part of a group. I also don't like the idea that they are dressing in this way to be alternative, but at the same time they are adhering to what I have observed to be a fairly strict code of conduct and dress.
But Eddy we all do this, all the time, every time we dress ourselves.
We deliberately choose clothes that blatantly make the statement "I am a white middle class 20 something who does not wish to stand out in any particular way but chooses to look clean and sharp."
Your argument could be leveled against the way you dress just as easily as you're leveling it against the "hipsters."
And as to your point about the code being strict, that's just demonstrably false. As with all trendy subculture movements with fashion components, the styles vary place to place and year to year.
There were a number of them. I wore flannel and listened to Pearl Jam and Nirvana. So Grunge would be close. It was mopey and terrible, but it wasn't fixated on the fetishization of what came before.
so slackers
That was a slightly different subculture. And one that is pretty heavily linked to the explosion of indie films because of camcorders.
Wait did flannel use to be a grunge thing
what is it now?
Now it's something slightly odd to find in someone's closet.
shocking news, someone who is now in his 30s resents the culture of early 20 somethings
more after the commercial break
More like disappointment. But this isn't simply a matter of the old hating the young. The question is, what will be the long lasting cultural impact of the hipsters. And from an objective point of view, I don't see one other then the next generation rejecting them.
I'm not trying to be a douche at all, but is it really fair to debate this (just as we all are) and then call your point of view "objective"?
the fashion they are into strikes me as highly artificial to create such a distinction. glasses without glass in them, scarves in july, tight pants, 'ironic' facial hair, these all seem to me as weirdly unpractical and uncomfortable, all for the purpose of presenting a certain identity. I find it odd when people rely on their plumage to signal that they are part of a group. I also don't like the idea that they are dressing in this way to be alternative, but at the same time they are adhering to what I have observed to be a fairly strict code of conduct and dress.
But Eddy we all do this, all the time, every time we dress ourselves.
We deliberately choose clothes that blatantly make the statement "I am a white middle class 20 something who does not wish to stand out in any particular way but chooses to look clean and sharp."
Your argument could be leveled against the way you dress just as easily as you're leveling it against the "hipsters."
And as to your point about the code being strict, that's just demonstrably false. As with all trendy subculture movements with fashion components, the styles vary place to place and year to year.
A hipster outfit is a costume, the way I dress myself isn't. Why do you wear the clothes you wear? probably they're comfortable and/or you like the way they look.
I have a hard time believing that hipsters all find glasses without lenses in them fashionable and awesome. It's part of a uniform. the question isn't "do I look good?" it's "do I look like the particular group of people that I am trying to emulate?"
I mean most hipster fashion isn't even flattering!
okay, thom! please to be giving me a definition of a hipster that doesn't include not producing anything original
I'll field this one
I can't remember which it was, but either that Adbusters article I linked to, or a piece in Time Out New York that wiki had, described what I thought of as an illustrative example: kids buying fixie bikes and then paying to have brakes and gears added on the aftermarket.
What I define as hipster is the deeply-felt pursuit of the outward appearance of authenticity. Authenticity can mean many things, from appearing to be of a certain class or background, to the adoption of signifiers announcing that one is part of a subculture that one may or may not actually be a part of. Eighteen-year-old kids wearing 8-bit Mario t-shirts, for instance - or, when I was a kid, guys my age wearing distressed Quisp cereal tees and track jackets like they'd stepped out of 1976.
This can be angering for members of the actual subculture that's being appropriated. And it can be problematic because the unprecedented speed with which these fashions change means that entire movements are devoured down to their constituent semotics, absorbed by the overmind, and spat back out as American Apparel catalogs with lightning speed. So while subcultures in the past got to incubate for years or even decades before bursting out into the mainstream, stuff that hasn't really even had a fair chance to develop is commercialized, bulldozed, and eventually abandoned.
sorry for responding to, you know, the posts he wrote?
but that's a great idea
okay, thom! please to be giving me a definition of a hipster that doesn't include not producing anything original
It's a subculture that builds it's identity on a perceived purity of culture. It takes elements of mass media and fetishizes the "coolness" of them. You can ad in the standard stuff for any youth culture here such as the attempt to maintain an air of rebellion while conforming to a general set of behaviors, etc. It's shallow, but a one sentence description of any culture is going to be.
I'm sorry Thom, Jkosh is right. I am being a little cagey.
Sorry dude, feel free not to respond to my post.
As their king, it's expected that you might be defensive.
And I don't hate hipsters. I do find hipster culture to be shallow and vapid. But I don't hate it. I save hate for things I really want to remove from the world and that's a pretty damn small list.
the fashion they are into strikes me as highly artificial to create such a distinction. glasses without glass in them, scarves in july, tight pants, 'ironic' facial hair, these all seem to me as weirdly unpractical and uncomfortable, all for the purpose of presenting a certain identity. I find it odd when people rely on their plumage to signal that they are part of a group. I also don't like the idea that they are dressing in this way to be alternative, but at the same time they are adhering to what I have observed to be a fairly strict code of conduct and dress.
But Eddy we all do this, all the time, every time we dress ourselves.
We deliberately choose clothes that blatantly make the statement "I am a white middle class 20 something who does not wish to stand out in any particular way but chooses to look clean and sharp."
Your argument could be leveled against the way you dress just as easily as you're leveling it against the "hipsters."
And as to your point about the code being strict, that's just demonstrably false. As with all trendy subculture movements with fashion components, the styles vary place to place and year to year.
A hipster outfit is a costume, the way I dress myself isn't. Why do you wear the clothes you wear? probably they're comfortable and/or you like the way they look.
I have a hard time believing that hipsters all find glasses without lenses in them fashionable and awesome. It's part of a uniform. the question isn't "do I look good?" it's "do I look like the particular group of people that I am trying to emulate?"
I mean most hipster fashion isn't even flattering!
The argument you're making here is that because you don't like the way skinny jeans and v-neck tshirts look or feel, that anyone who feels differently must only be wearing them to be accepted. I wore a pair of fitted jeans today ("skinny" is kind of a dumb term for them I feel) and I find them incredibly comfortable and I like the way I look in them.
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so what do you call people that don't do that but like hanging out in coffee shops and talking about stuff and reading and consuming what is popularly perceived as 'hipster media'
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but then again, by definition of the hipster paradox, I am not a hipster because I admit that I am a hipster.
Now it's something slightly odd to find in someone's closet.
I think when I get out of here, I need to take, like, a class on how to dress
Have you checked out the fashion thread, Res? There's some people in there who really know their stuff.
You have my solemn word that as a dude dressing nice really isn't that hard or expensive. A few bucks at a Goodwill even can have you looking really super sharp.
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so what do you call people that don't do that but like hanging out in coffee shops and talking about stuff and reading and consuming what is popularly perceived as 'hipster media'
Very odd.
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so what do you call people that don't do that but like hanging out in coffee shops and talking about stuff and reading and consuming what is popularly perceived as 'hipster media'
They're just consumers, ultimately. In a few years when they're at a different place in their lives they'll dress differently and hang out at different places.
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okay, thom! please to be giving me a definition of a hipster that doesn't include not producing anything original
I'll field this one
I can't remember which it was, but either that Adbusters article I linked to, or a piece in Time Out New York that wiki had, described what I thought of as an illustrative example: kids buying fixie bikes and then paying to have brakes and gears added on the aftermarket.
What I define as hipster is the deeply-felt pursuit of the outward appearance of authenticity. Authenticity can mean many things, from appearing to be of a certain class or background, to the adoption of signifiers announcing that one is part of a subculture that one may or may not actually be a part of. Eighteen-year-old kids wearing 8-bit Mario t-shirts, for instance - or, when I was a kid, guys my age wearing distressed Quisp cereal tees and track jackets like they'd stepped out of 1976.
This can be angering for members of the actual subculture that's being appropriated. And it can be problematic because the unprecedented speed with which these fashions change means that entire movements are devoured down to their constituent semotics, absorbed by the overmind, and spat back out as American Apparel catalogs with lightning speed. So while subcultures in the past got to incubate for years or even decades before bursting out into the mainstream, stuff that hasn't really even had a fair chance to develop is commercialized, bulldozed, and eventually abandoned.
So, basically, you're defining the subculture as one of empty appropriation, devoid of value or substance.
In other words, exactly what I said up there that you responded to.
so what do you call people that don't do that but like hanging out in coffee shops and talking about stuff and reading and consuming what is popularly perceived as 'hipster media'
youth. Like it or not, "hipster" culture has permeated into pretty much the inner-most being of the modern youth movement. There's two extremes. Those who embody everything that accusers refer to as "hipster culture" and consciously own that fact and those who spend their every fiber to do the opposite of what "hipsters" do.
You're talking about the vast majority of youths, who fall in the middle and do what they want.
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so what do you call people that don't do that but like hanging out in coffee shops and talking about stuff and reading and consuming what is popularly perceived as 'hipster media'
They're just consumers, ultimately. In a few years when they're at a different place in their lives they'll dress differently and hang out at different places.
I guess. But I like it so. I guess I'll like other stuff at a different point in my life? Isn't that everyone, though? Is it bad to be a consumer?
the fashion they are into strikes me as highly artificial to create such a distinction. glasses without glass in them, scarves in july, tight pants, 'ironic' facial hair, these all seem to me as weirdly unpractical and uncomfortable, all for the purpose of presenting a certain identity. I find it odd when people rely on their plumage to signal that they are part of a group. I also don't like the idea that they are dressing in this way to be alternative, but at the same time they are adhering to what I have observed to be a fairly strict code of conduct and dress.
But Eddy we all do this, all the time, every time we dress ourselves.
We deliberately choose clothes that blatantly make the statement "I am a white middle class 20 something who does not wish to stand out in any particular way but chooses to look clean and sharp."
Your argument could be leveled against the way you dress just as easily as you're leveling it against the "hipsters."
And as to your point about the code being strict, that's just demonstrably false. As with all trendy subculture movements with fashion components, the styles vary place to place and year to year.
A hipster outfit is a costume, the way I dress myself isn't. Why do you wear the clothes you wear? probably they're comfortable and/or you like the way they look.
I have a hard time believing that hipsters all find glasses without lenses in them fashionable and awesome. It's part of a uniform. the question isn't "do I look good?" it's "do I look like the particular group of people that I am trying to emulate?"
I mean most hipster fashion isn't even flattering!
The argument you're making here is that because you don't like the way skinny jeans and v-neck tshirts look or feel, that anyone who feels differently must only be wearing them to be accepted. I wore a pair of fitted jeans today ("skinny" is kind of a dumb term for them I feel) and I find them incredibly comfortable and I like the way I look in them.
someone who wears fitted jeans isn't a hipster. that's not a uniform. that's jeans that are form fitting. I'm talking about people that make a concious effort to amass a style of clothes that very clearly identifies them as a group, and in this case, it's a group they would almost always deny being a part of.
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Gosh, Mike, I'm sorry I took the time to try and type a lengthy and straightforward response to your question. Remind me to not fucking bother next time.
so what do you call people that don't do that but like hanging out in coffee shops and talking about stuff and reading and consuming what is popularly perceived as 'hipster media'
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That was a slightly different subculture. And one that is pretty heavily linked to the explosion of indie films because of camcorders.
Now it's something slightly odd to find in someone's closet.
More like disappointment. But this isn't simply a matter of the old hating the young. The question is, what will be the long lasting cultural impact of the hipsters. And from an objective point of view, I don't see one other then the next generation rejecting them.
but that's a great idea
okay, thom! please to be giving me a definition of a hipster that doesn't include not producing anything original
indeed this is all quite loathsome
This is Jessica Chobot:
NSFW: http://babesmedia.entertainment.ign.com/babes/image/article/705/705343/preacher-teacher-vol-9-20060505024729428.jpg
This is Alison Haislip:
NSFW: http://i43.tinypic.com/wveozn.jpg
This is Carrie Keegan:
http://files.g4tv.com/rimg_606x0/ImageDb3/247475_l/.JPG
Sorry dude, feel free not to respond to my post.
Why did they make the buttons all different shades of grey? Is usability the first casualty in the war on color?
I dunno they refer to her boobs as 'hipster boobs' though so I assumed the rest of her was.
I like first and third.
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We deliberately choose clothes that blatantly make the statement "I am a white middle class 20 something who does not wish to stand out in any particular way but chooses to look clean and sharp."
Your argument could be leveled against the way you dress just as easily as you're leveling it against the "hipsters."
And as to your point about the code being strict, that's just demonstrably false. As with all trendy subculture movements with fashion components, the styles vary place to place and year to year.
I'm not trying to be a douche at all, but is it really fair to debate this (just as we all are) and then call your point of view "objective"?
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Mike make a cultural contribution to this chat or we're all fucked.
a scarf for all of my ironically birthed children
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shit
uhhhh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJkPWMaNaIM
was that entire premise created just because someone was bad at rhyming?
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A hipster outfit is a costume, the way I dress myself isn't. Why do you wear the clothes you wear? probably they're comfortable and/or you like the way they look.
I have a hard time believing that hipsters all find glasses without lenses in them fashionable and awesome. It's part of a uniform. the question isn't "do I look good?" it's "do I look like the particular group of people that I am trying to emulate?"
I mean most hipster fashion isn't even flattering!
I'm actually pretty insulted that you define hipsters as "early 20 somethings"
By your definition I'm going to be a hipster this time next year
I feel fantastic!
I'll field this one
I can't remember which it was, but either that Adbusters article I linked to, or a piece in Time Out New York that wiki had, described what I thought of as an illustrative example: kids buying fixie bikes and then paying to have brakes and gears added on the aftermarket.
What I define as hipster is the deeply-felt pursuit of the outward appearance of authenticity. Authenticity can mean many things, from appearing to be of a certain class or background, to the adoption of signifiers announcing that one is part of a subculture that one may or may not actually be a part of. Eighteen-year-old kids wearing 8-bit Mario t-shirts, for instance - or, when I was a kid, guys my age wearing distressed Quisp cereal tees and track jackets like they'd stepped out of 1976.
This can be angering for members of the actual subculture that's being appropriated. And it can be problematic because the unprecedented speed with which these fashions change means that entire movements are devoured down to their constituent semotics, absorbed by the overmind, and spat back out as American Apparel catalogs with lightning speed. So while subcultures in the past got to incubate for years or even decades before bursting out into the mainstream, stuff that hasn't really even had a fair chance to develop is commercialized, bulldozed, and eventually abandoned.
Yeah, DK, I agree completely.
My roommate was trying to play Halo yesterday and she said "how do I switch guns?", to which I replied "yellow".
I can't imagine having to say "slightly less gray but not as gray as that the other gray one."
It's a subculture that builds it's identity on a perceived purity of culture. It takes elements of mass media and fetishizes the "coolness" of them. You can ad in the standard stuff for any youth culture here such as the attempt to maintain an air of rebellion while conforming to a general set of behaviors, etc. It's shallow, but a one sentence description of any culture is going to be.
As their king, it's expected that you might be defensive.
And I don't hate hipsters. I do find hipster culture to be shallow and vapid. But I don't hate it. I save hate for things I really want to remove from the world and that's a pretty damn small list.
I think when I get out of here, I need to take, like, a class on how to dress
The argument you're making here is that because you don't like the way skinny jeans and v-neck tshirts look or feel, that anyone who feels differently must only be wearing them to be accepted. I wore a pair of fitted jeans today ("skinny" is kind of a dumb term for them I feel) and I find them incredibly comfortable and I like the way I look in them.
If it makes you feel better, I still have some flannel in my closet. Although I only wear it if I'm going to be camping, which is pretty rare.
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Have you checked out the fashion thread, Res? There's some people in there who really know their stuff.
You have my solemn word that as a dude dressing nice really isn't that hard or expensive. A few bucks at a Goodwill even can have you looking really super sharp.
Very odd.
What culture is not shallow and vapid?
They're just consumers, ultimately. In a few years when they're at a different place in their lives they'll dress differently and hang out at different places.
Scat culture.
In other words, exactly what I said up there that you responded to.
Nice.
youth. Like it or not, "hipster" culture has permeated into pretty much the inner-most being of the modern youth movement. There's two extremes. Those who embody everything that accusers refer to as "hipster culture" and consciously own that fact and those who spend their every fiber to do the opposite of what "hipsters" do.
You're talking about the vast majority of youths, who fall in the middle and do what they want.
That was taking that into account.
I guess. But I like it so. I guess I'll like other stuff at a different point in my life? Isn't that everyone, though? Is it bad to be a consumer?
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someone who wears fitted jeans isn't a hipster. that's not a uniform. that's jeans that are form fitting. I'm talking about people that make a concious effort to amass a style of clothes that very clearly identifies them as a group, and in this case, it's a group they would almost always deny being a part of.
Like an 18 year old can't wear an 8 bit mario shirt
Why the fuck not?
a lot of my friends