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Lady Eri
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So those of you who follow such things might have been aware that recently the last hurdles for Puerto Rican statehood have all but been removed, and the final plebiscite vote has been scheduled for middle of 2011. Which brings us to (among other things including 102 senators and a new filibuster model) flags.
What do you think the next flag should look like? The 50 stars have been a staple for well over 50 years. I myself prefer:
Or even a vertical version would be pretty cool. I like the circular design for sure though.
What do you think the next flag should look like? The 50 stars have been a staple for well over 50 years. I myself prefer:
Or even a vertical version would be pretty cool. I like the circular design for sure though.
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Wiki claims the United States Army Institute of Heraldry has a design ready, but it doesn't show what it is.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/US_37_Star_Medallion_Centennial_Flag.svg/500px-US_37_Star_Medallion_Centennial_Flag.svg.png
The circular one is cool, but too different. And things have changed since the last time the flag was changed. Media is significantly more visual now, and changing iconography can't be taken as lightly anymore.
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2.5% voted for independence, hehe. It's less popular there than in Alaska or Texas.
Anyway, what's changed recently with regards to statehood? The last I read any news was back in June, but at the time the larger two of their three political parties were both going towards increased self-determination as a commonwealth (I remember thinking that pretty much sunk the ship for statehood forever, too, since one of those parties had been billed as the Statehood party by our media instead of it's proper name), and the UN was calling on the US to expedite full self determination and the option for independence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_status_of_Puerto_Rico#Plebiscite_results
For similar reasons, DC statehood will never happen.
Times change. Last attempt was 12 years ago, I vaguely recall seeing a poll with something like 53% support for statehood in maybe 2007?
Honestly, nothing the man does, other than possibly claiming to become a born again Christian while in office, changing parties and/or resigning, will cause the right wing to settle down from their current fever pitch, so what difference does it make?
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It's not like he has to push anything- it's entirely up to the people of puerto rico, right? As long as he doesn't veto it or something it'll happen eventually.
Also both these new flag designs really throw me, especially the circle one. That would be hard to get used to.
It would be 2 minutes until people find muslim imagery and 2,1 minutes until they blame obama
Plus it looks like the UN flag, all circular.
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Nope, no boat.
I don't really care for it. The proportion seems all fucked up since the blue field is a square and there is all that empty space in the corners.
All the Puerto Ricans I know don't seem to give much of a crap about statehood either way. But they live in Tampa and are Florida residents so I guess they wouldn't.
Anyone know how the distribution of House members would work? I assume the US Census is taken in Puerto Rico so the same distribution model they use for that would work, but what's the time line? Would they immediately get house seats, is there a period of time where PR would be the new guy and get all the grunt work until Guam becomes a state?
Could representatives from PR speak Spanish in Congress?
So many questions!
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Meh... the straight-line flag could occur probably without anybody noticing the change... which is probably the best course of action.
Though I'm also in the camp that thinks Puerto Rico doesn't even want to become a state.
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This is pretty much my problem with it as well. That blank space is rather eye catching, to the point where I can't look at that circular design without my eyes being drawn to one of the corners. Even if I'm staring at the center, it just hangs there right in the corner of my vision. It actually kind of hurts.
I don't think it will matter too much in the long run, though, as PR has a long history of shooting down this sort of thing.
The shitstorm of conservative media around it will be awesome, though.
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It's not entirely up to them, it has to pass their legislature and Congress, neither of which are givens, and don't necessarily follow one to the next - Hawaii and Alaska were both denied statehood several times (Hawaii despite territorial government petition and Alaska despite overwhelming support from the population), and before the Civil War it was even more common to deny admission of new states because of the carefully maintained balance between slave and free states.
It's worth saying after that, though, that there really isn't a procedure for admission as a state. The Constitution has all of one sentence on the matter and zero specifics. It's been done a bit differently just about every time. For Hawaii, Congress passed a bill asking the people of Hawaii to vote to become a state or remain a territory and promised to abide by whichever decision they made, but for Alaska a law was simply passed making it a State outright. There's even precedent for handing states a like-it-or-not admission.
It's not hard to see a crescent in a circle formation, but forget the muslim imagery. Blur your eyes a bit and look at the third ring out and the bottom right straight line of stars, you can clearly see the sickle. Shift your focus a bit and you can clearly see the matching hammer at the bottom left.
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I saw that immediately. But I don't think anything is wrong with that.
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Maybe one of the stars, doesn't matter which one, could be brown.
Seems now-a-days though, racism against brown folk of any kind is the popular thing to do, so I'm afraid of how much worse it's going to get if this goes through.
.....sigh
*Even more annoying when folk around here assume that someone speaking with a spanish accent isn't speaking English >( .
Would someone who is more intimate with the subject be willing to give a rundown of the pros and cons of such a thing happening? I plan on doing more research when I'm not at work, but some baseline information would be great.
I actually like it, but y'know, can't unsee and all that
I dunno man, I would think it would be common sense that if you relocate to a place in which English is the primary spoken language that you would at least try to learn the language and speak it instead of expecting the people who live in an English speaking country to learn your language just to accomodate you.
Doesn't make much sense does it?
Y'know, I really never give much thought to the first one. Like, it never even crossed my mind that one day that could happen.
Isn't DC not being a state kind of the whole point of having a DC?