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I'm not clear on the notre dame connection. I thought it meant "our lady"
I think he was talking about their team name "The Fighting Irish".... which really isn't racist since it's meant as an homage to their "fighting" like the well known irish army brigades in the civil war and WWI.
except it's a leprachaun engaged in what appears to be a brawl
it's about as stereotypical as can be without a pint
I believe it comes from the racial stereo type that 1) black people resemble monkeys 2) they are lazy and therefore never leave their porch to find work.
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I believe it comes from the racial stereo type that 1) black people resemble monkeys 2) they are lazy and therefore never leave their porch to find work.
I thought it was Mexicans that are lazy.
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
I believe it comes from the racial stereo type that 1) black people resemble monkeys 2) they are lazy and therefore never leave their porch to find work.
I believe it comes from the racial stereo type that 1) black people resemble monkeys 2) they are lazy and therefore never leave their porch to find work.
I remember when I was buying fireworks with friends on the Nisqually reservation when I suddenly realized we didn't have any punks (you know.. the little sticks that you use to light fuses.) I say "hey, guys, be sure to get some punks." My friend Sean says "we don't need punks, I have cigarettes. We'll just use cigarettes." Now, at that time, Sean was the only one who smoked, and we used to give him shit about it.
"But what if we don't want cancer?" Curtis says, jokingly.
At that point the grizzled old Indian we'd bought our fireworks from leans forward with a hand full of punks, offering them to us. "Here," he says in a deep Indian voice. "So you don't get cancer."
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
I'm not clear on the notre dame connection. I thought it meant "our lady"
I think he was talking about their team name "The Fighting Irish".... which really isn't racist since it's meant as an homage to their "fighting" like the well known irish army brigades in the civil war and WWI.
except it's a leprachaun engaged in what appears to be a brawl
it's about as stereotypical as can be without a pint
Well I'M not upset by the "Kansas City Kikes" so, seriously guys... what's the deal? How is that racist?
uh, what?
That's what your point boiled down to, basically.
no, it really didn't
I just don't feel the team name is inherently racist, I didn't somehow make a value judgement
beyond that, I though you were a proponent of free speech
How is RedSkin, a historically racist term, not inherently racist again?
C'mon, junior, pony up and explain that one.
And that last sentence is a nice last ditch effort, but sadly missed the mark.
because it became a team name and not a term to describe nayive americans
also, no, it did not miss the mark
you can;t say that you believe in free speech and then somehow think that speech should be limited by what offends people
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RankenphilePassersby were amazedby the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, ModeratorMod Emeritus
Well I'M not upset by the "Kansas City Kikes" so, seriously guys... what's the deal? How is that racist?
uh, what?
That's what your point boiled down to, basically.
no, it really didn't
I just don't feel the team name is inherently racist, I didn't somehow make a value judgement
beyond that, I though you were a proponent of free speech
How is RedSkin, a historically racist term, not inherently racist again?
C'mon, junior, pony up and explain that one.
And that last sentence is a nice last ditch effort, but sadly missed the mark.
because it became a team name and not a term to describe nayive americans
also, no, it did not miss the mark
you can;t say that you believe in free speech and then somehow think that speech should be limited by what offends people
I'm sorry Pip, I think you forgot that the Redskins used to have a native american man, in full headdress, who would lead the team on the field with a spear... they had to stop that because real native americans protested against it.
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
oh my god pip you're being incredibly ignorant right now
what?
how about this, I can see how people would take offense to the name, however, I don't
what's more, it's extremely hypocritical to pretend to believe in free speech and then say that what's percieved as racism should be censored
oh my god pip you're being incredibly ignorant right now
what?
how about this, I can see how people would take offense to the name, however, I don't
what's more, it's extremely hypocritical to pretend to believe in free speech and then say that what's percieved as racism should be censored
that clarify?
Free speech is great.
Hate speech is not.
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I like how some words have special magic powers because ignorant people use them.
Wingardium Leviosa!
Also, seriously Pip, maybe you should drop it. Saying its not a racist term because you don't think its racist anymore does not equal the word not still being racist. Like Rank said, try yelling it in a roomful of injuns, see what happens.
Well I'M not upset by the "Kansas City Kikes" so, seriously guys... what's the deal? How is that racist?
uh, what?
That's what your point boiled down to, basically.
no, it really didn't
I just don't feel the team name is inherently racist, I didn't somehow make a value judgement
beyond that, I though you were a proponent of free speech
How is RedSkin, a historically racist term, not inherently racist again?
C'mon, junior, pony up and explain that one.
And that last sentence is a nice last ditch effort, but sadly missed the mark.
because it became a team name and not a term to describe nayive americans
also, no, it did not miss the mark
you can;t say that you believe in free speech and then somehow think that speech should be limited by what offends people
I'm sorry Pip, I think you forgot that the Redskins used to have a native american man, in full headdress, who would lead the team on the field with a spear... they had to stop that because real native americans protested against it.
which they changed
you are all free to continue arguing, but I've made my point and we;ve reached a standstill
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RankenphilePassersby were amazedby the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, ModeratorMod Emeritus
oh my god pip you're being incredibly ignorant right now
what?
how about this, I can see how people would take offense to the name, however, I don't
what's more, it's extremely hypocritical to pretend to believe in free speech and then say that what's percieved as racism should be censored
that clarify?
look
just because you associate the name with a football team doesn't mean that it isn't a racist term, and that it is offensive to an entire race of people
also
there is a big difference between free speech and good taste
I believe that, yes, you should be able to use racist terms however you want, but at the same time you should be smart enough not to name a national fucking sports team after one.
I like how some words have special magic powers because ignorant people use them.
Wingardium Leviosa!
Also, seriously Pip, maybe you should drop it. Saying its not a racist term because you don't think its racist anymore does not equal the word not still being racist. Like Rank said, try yelling it in a roomful of injuns, see what happens.
Are you saying Harry Potter is ignorant? I find that highly offensive.
oh my god pip you're being incredibly ignorant right now
what?
how about this, I can see how people would take offense to the name, however, I don't
what's more, it's extremely hypocritical to pretend to believe in free speech and then say that what's percieved as racism should be censored
that clarify?
Man, they should change the name of the Saints to the New Orleans Ni**az. I bet that would go over real well.
Pip, your point is "it isn't racist to me". That doesn't suddenly make it a loving word to use. Would you walk onto an indian reservation and say "HOW REDSKIN, SELL ME DAUGHTER" simply because you're free to say it?
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RankenphilePassersby were amazedby the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, ModeratorMod Emeritus
oh my god pip you're being incredibly ignorant right now
what?
how about this, I can see how people would take offense to the name, however, I don't
what's more, it's extremely hypocritical to pretend to believe in free speech and then say that what's percieved as racism should be censored
that clarify?
Man, they should change the name of the Saints to the New Orleans Ni**az. I bet that would go over real well.
I don't see the problem. I can tell the difference between a sports team and a real ni**a.
I like how some words have special magic powers because ignorant people use them.
Wingardium Leviosa!
Also, seriously Pip, maybe you should drop it. Saying its not a racist term because you don't think its racist anymore does not equal the word not still being racist. Like Rank said, try yelling it in a roomful of injuns, see what happens.
Are you saying Harry Potter is ignorant? I find that highly offensive.
We are at an impasse then, because not only is Harry Potter ignorant, he's a racist (see his treatment of Cho Chang) and a sexist (see him taking all the credit for Hermione's work)
Pip, your point is "it isn't racist to me". That doesn't suddenly make it a loving word to use. Would you walk onto an indian reservation and say "HOW REDSKIN, SELL ME DAUGHTER" simply because you're free to say it?
what the fuck does you situation have to do with anything?
if you can't make a valid point without resorting to ridiculous strawmans, maybe you should stop
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RankenphilePassersby were amazedby the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, ModeratorMod Emeritus
Pip, your point is "it isn't racist to me". That doesn't suddenly make it a loving word to use. Would you walk onto an indian reservation and say "HOW REDSKIN, SELL ME DAUGHTER" simply because you're free to say it?
what the fuck does you situation have to do with anything?
if you can't make a valid point without resorting to ridiculous strawmans, maybe you should stop
stop pretending to be defender. Just because you use words he says doesn't mean you understand them.
Also, it is a very, very valid point. He is pointing out the fact that just because the word is associated with a sports team doesn't mean that it isn't a racist term that still carries offensive connotations.
In fact, I cannot think of a positive connotation of the word.
Pip, your point is "it isn't racist to me". That doesn't suddenly make it a loving word to use. Would you walk onto an indian reservation and say "HOW REDSKIN, SELL ME DAUGHTER" simply because you're free to say it?
what the fuck does you situation have to do with anything?
if you can't make a valid point without resorting to ridiculous strawmans, maybe you should stop
saying a generally accepted as racist term is not racist to you was strawman enough for this argument.
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
Pip, your point is "it isn't racist to me". That doesn't suddenly make it a loving word to use. Would you walk onto an indian reservation and say "HOW REDSKIN, SELL ME DAUGHTER" simply because you're free to say it?
what the fuck does you situation have to do with anything?
if you can't make a valid point without resorting to ridiculous strawmans, maybe you should stop
stop pretending to be defender. Just because you use words he says doesn't mean you understand them.
Also, it is a very, very valid point. He is pointing out the fact that just because the word is associated with a sports team doesn't mean that it isn't a racist term that still carries offensive connotations.
In fact, I cannot think of a positive connotation of the word.
oh, ok insults
fantastic
I'll humor you then
no, I would not do it because I would have no reason to do so, but I would have no qualms talking to a native american about the football team the redskins
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it's about as stereotypical as can be without a pint
I believe it comes from the racial stereo type that 1) black people resemble monkeys 2) they are lazy and therefore never leave their porch to find work.
I thought it was Mexicans that are lazy.
But that one episode of South Park said so.
That's what your point boiled down to, basically.
"But what if we don't want cancer?" Curtis says, jokingly.
At that point the grizzled old Indian we'd bought our fireworks from leans forward with a hand full of punks, offering them to us. "Here," he says in a deep Indian voice. "So you don't get cancer."
I just don't feel the team name is inherently racist, I didn't somehow make a value judgement
beyond that, I though you were a proponent of free speech
Yes, but no one gives a fuck about the irish.
when did you become psychic?
How is RedSkin, a historically racist term, not inherently racist again?
C'mon, junior, pony up and explain that one.
And that last sentence is a nice last ditch effort, but sadly missed the mark.
psychic, no... paraphraser, maybe
also, no, it did not miss the mark
you can;t say that you believe in free speech and then somehow think that speech should be limited by what offends people
that's the power of collective consciousness, my friend!
Hooray for society!
You should probably stop talking now.
I'm sorry Pip, I think you forgot that the Redskins used to have a native american man, in full headdress, who would lead the team on the field with a spear... they had to stop that because real native americans protested against it.
how about this, I can see how people would take offense to the name, however, I don't
what's more, it's extremely hypocritical to pretend to believe in free speech and then say that what's percieved as racism should be censored
that clarify?
Free speech is great.
Hate speech is not.
Wingardium Leviosa!
Also, seriously Pip, maybe you should drop it. Saying its not a racist term because you don't think its racist anymore does not equal the word not still being racist. Like Rank said, try yelling it in a roomful of injuns, see what happens.
you are all free to continue arguing, but I've made my point and we;ve reached a standstill
look
just because you associate the name with a football team doesn't mean that it isn't a racist term, and that it is offensive to an entire race of people
also
there is a big difference between free speech and good taste
I believe that, yes, you should be able to use racist terms however you want, but at the same time you should be smart enough not to name a national fucking sports team after one.
What will I do now in topics like these
Are you saying Harry Potter is ignorant? I find that highly offensive.
Man, they should change the name of the Saints to the New Orleans Ni**az. I bet that would go over real well.
I don't see the problem. I can tell the difference between a sports team and a real ni**a.
We are at an impasse then, because not only is Harry Potter ignorant, he's a racist (see his treatment of Cho Chang) and a sexist (see him taking all the credit for Hermione's work)
if you can't make a valid point without resorting to ridiculous strawmans, maybe you should stop
stop pretending to be defender. Just because you use words he says doesn't mean you understand them.
Also, it is a very, very valid point. He is pointing out the fact that just because the word is associated with a sports team doesn't mean that it isn't a racist term that still carries offensive connotations.
In fact, I cannot think of a positive connotation of the word.
saying a generally accepted as racist term is not racist to you was strawman enough for this argument.
fantastic
I'll humor you then
no, I would not do it because I would have no reason to do so, but I would have no qualms talking to a native american about the football team the redskins