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Well I'M not upset by the "Kansas City Kikes" so, seriously guys... what's the deal? How is that racist?
uh, what?
That's what your point boiled down to, basically.
no, it really didn't
I just don't feel the team name is inherently racist, I didn't somehow make a value judgement
beyond that, I though you were a proponent of free speech
How is RedSkin, a historically racist term, not inherently racist again?
C'mon, junior, pony up and explain that one.
And that last sentence is a nice last ditch effort, but sadly missed the mark.
because it became a team name and not a term to describe nayive americans
also, no, it did not miss the mark
you can;t say that you believe in free speech and then somehow think that speech should be limited by what offends people
It IS a term to describe Native Americans you fucking retard.
Secondly, yes you did you reject. The government shouldn't force them to change their name, but they should change their name.
Pip, your point is "it isn't racist to me". That doesn't suddenly make it a loving word to use. Would you walk onto an indian reservation and say "HOW REDSKIN, SELL ME DAUGHTER" simply because you're free to say it?
what the fuck does you situation have to do with anything?
if you can't make a valid point without resorting to ridiculous strawmans, maybe you should stop
stop pretending to be defender. Just because you use words he says doesn't mean you understand them.
Also, it is a very, very valid point. He is pointing out the fact that just because the word is associated with a sports team doesn't mean that it isn't a racist term that still carries offensive connotations.
In fact, I cannot think of a positive connotation of the word.
oh, ok insults
fantastic
I'll humor you then
no, I would not do it because I would have no reason to do so, but I would have no qualms talking to a native american about the football team the redskins
that doesn't make the team name less racist.
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You know what's ignorant? People at my work aren't participating in our Section 423 employee stock purchase plan because they think that fluctuations in stock price will cause them to lose money, when, in fact, fluctuations can only serve to improve their gain either at this purchase or the next purchase six months later due to the plan's lookback feature.
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You know what's ignorant? People at my work aren't participating in our Section 423 employee stock purchase plan because they think that fluctuations in stock price will cause them to lose money, when, in fact, fluctuations can only serve to improve their gain either at this purchase or the next purchase six months later due to the plan's lookback feature.
the whole point of an employee stock purchasing plan is two sided 1) it benefits the company because they can write off the stock grants 2) it benefits the current stock holders because a giant stock purchase falsely inflates the company value.
employee stock purchasing plans are only beneficial if you hold on to them as long term investments. DO NOT purchase large amounts, and do not rely on it as a form of income.
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Pip, your point is "it isn't racist to me". That doesn't suddenly make it a loving word to use. Would you walk onto an indian reservation and say "HOW REDSKIN, SELL ME DAUGHTER" simply because you're free to say it?
what the fuck does you situation have to do with anything?
if you can't make a valid point without resorting to ridiculous strawmans, maybe you should stop
stop pretending to be defender. Just because you use words he says doesn't mean you understand them.
Also, it is a very, very valid point. He is pointing out the fact that just because the word is associated with a sports team doesn't mean that it isn't a racist term that still carries offensive connotations.
In fact, I cannot think of a positive connotation of the word.
oh, ok insults
fantastic
I'll humor you then
no, I would not do it because I would have no reason to do so, but I would have no qualms talking to a native american about the football team the redskins
that doesn't make the team name less racist.
it certainly crushed your half-assed argument though
also, cal societal pressure is still a form of censorship
oh and for the record, it's a strawman because you stupid ass assumption was that I enjoy blurting our racist terms in front of said ethnic group for no logical reason just because
sorry, I don't kool-aid man into an naacp meeting and shout out "What's up ma n----z."
in fact I rarely use racist terms, and it's generally to insult my dad or when my friends call me a spic
as a matter of fact, defending racism generally makes me feel like a shitbag, but I believe in free speech more
Pip, your point is "it isn't racist to me". That doesn't suddenly make it a loving word to use. Would you walk onto an indian reservation and say "HOW REDSKIN, SELL ME DAUGHTER" simply because you're free to say it?
what the fuck does you situation have to do with anything?
if you can't make a valid point without resorting to ridiculous strawmans, maybe you should stop
Okay, dropping all humorous pretense?
Your argument is asinine. "I don't think it's a racist word, so nobody should be upset about it." Redskin IS a racist word, just as much as Porch Monkey or Dune Coon. This whole argument is reminding me of that scene in Clerks II where Randall doesn't know the word is racist.
I hate to break it to you, but that scene was funny not because the word was ambiguous (it ain't) but because everyone in the audience thought Randall was a complete fucking moron for not knowing this.
You are our Randall in this topic. Call a native a Redskin to his face and see how far you get - don't have to throw in all that other verbage, just call him a Redskin.
[spoiler:f07e04388d]He'll shoot you full of arrows and scalp your pale face, lolz.[/spoiler:f07e04388d]
Washington has been under fire for this for a very long time. Their refusal to change the name is nothing short of ignorant idiocy. Putting that racist moniker on a team that sucks donkey dick is just adding insult to injury.
I'm having to read and analyze letters written in the 1500s about the English's encounters with the Algonquian Indians.
How do you read stuff like this?
IT reftheth I fpeake a word or tow of the naturall inhabitants, their natures and maners, leaving large difcourfe thereof untill time more convenient hereafter: nowe onely so farre foorth, as that you may know, how that they in respect of troubling our inhabiting and planting, are not to be feared; but that they shall have cause both to feare and love vs, that shall inhabite with them.
Pip, your point is "it isn't racist to me". That doesn't suddenly make it a loving word to use. Would you walk onto an indian reservation and say "HOW REDSKIN, SELL ME DAUGHTER" simply because you're free to say it?
what the fuck does you situation have to do with anything?
if you can't make a valid point without resorting to ridiculous strawmans, maybe you should stop
stop pretending to be defender. Just because you use words he says doesn't mean you understand them.
Also, it is a very, very valid point. He is pointing out the fact that just because the word is associated with a sports team doesn't mean that it isn't a racist term that still carries offensive connotations.
In fact, I cannot think of a positive connotation of the word.
oh, ok insults
fantastic
I'll humor you then
no, I would not do it because I would have no reason to do so, but I would have no qualms talking to a native american about the football team the redskins
that doesn't make the team name less racist.
it certainly crushed your half-assed argument though
also, cal societal pressure is still a form of censorship
oh and for the record, it's a strawman because you stupid ass assumption was that I enjoy blurting our racist terms in front of said ethnic group for no logical reason just because
sorry, I don't kool-aid man into an naacp meeting and shout out "What's up ma n----z."
in fact I rarely use racist terms, and it's generally to insult my dad or when my friends call me a spic
as a matter of fact, defending racism generally makes me feel like a shitbag, but I believe in free speech more
Jesus, did you shit in your brain today and then call it a day?
They can, and do, use a racist term for their team. We're saying "well, that's racist and pretty shitty. They shouldn't do that."
That's not fucking cencorship, that's not marginalizing free speech. It's saying "Well, that's fucking racist and we don't support that."
Your original point was "It isn't an inherently racist term" which is 100% complete and utter bullshit and just goes to show how little you actually understand the point.
Pip, your point is "it isn't racist to me". That doesn't suddenly make it a loving word to use. Would you walk onto an indian reservation and say "HOW REDSKIN, SELL ME DAUGHTER" simply because you're free to say it?
what the fuck does you situation have to do with anything?
if you can't make a valid point without resorting to ridiculous strawmans, maybe you should stop
stop pretending to be defender. Just because you use words he says doesn't mean you understand them.
Also, it is a very, very valid point. He is pointing out the fact that just because the word is associated with a sports team doesn't mean that it isn't a racist term that still carries offensive connotations.
In fact, I cannot think of a positive connotation of the word.
oh, ok insults
fantastic
I'll humor you then
no, I would not do it because I would have no reason to do so, but I would have no qualms talking to a native american about the football team the redskins
that doesn't make the team name less racist.
it certainly crushed your half-assed argument though
no it didn't. it just makes your argument look worse.
yes free speech is grand, great and should be fully protected under the law - but that does not make racist statements and terms ok to use.
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fuck your forums, fuck your administrator and fuck dynagrip for getting away with the long troll.
the whole point of an employee stock purchasing plan is two sided 1) it benefits the company because they can write off the stock grants 2) it benefits the current stock holders because a giant stock purchase falsely inflates the company value.
employee stock purchasing plans are only beneficial if you hold on to them as long term investments. DO NOT purchase large amounts, and do not rely on it as a form of income.
This is a section 423 plan with 6 month lookback and an 85% purchase price discount. It's true that it will falsely inflate the stock value, but I'm not extremely concerned with ethical issues involved with immediately flipping the stock. Because we've had some rather wild variations in our stock price over the past year, I'm basically looking at a $3,000 gain on under $7,000 of investment of my own personal money for that same period.
as a matter of fact, defending racism generally makes me feel like a shitbag, but I believe in free speech more
No one is arguing against free speech. That's a straw man. No one is saying "they should be forced to change the team name" they are saying "they should change the team name".
No one is saying "It is illegal to go onto a reservation and say "what up redskin"" they are saying "you should not do that.
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the whole point of an employee stock purchasing plan is two sided 1) it benefits the company because they can write off the stock grants 2) it benefits the current stock holders because a giant stock purchase falsely inflates the company value.
employee stock purchasing plans are only beneficial if you hold on to them as long term investments. DO NOT purchase large amounts, and do not rely on it as a form of income.
This is a section 423 plan with 6 month lookback and an 85% purchase price discount. It's true that it will falsely inflate the stock value, but I'm not extremely concerned with ethical issues involved with immediately flipping the stock. Because we've had some rather wild variations in our stock price over the past year, I'm basically looking at a $3,000 gain on under $7,000 of investment of my own personal money for that same period.
most 423's have "no sell" periods (forcing you to hold on to the stock for a set period of time - usually put in place to stop people from immediately selling their stock and therefore nosediving the prices)... *edit* if that's the case, *edit* the $3000 gain isn't exactly guaranteed.
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fuck your forums, fuck your administrator and fuck dynagrip for getting away with the long troll.
as a matter of fact, defending racism generally makes me feel like a shitbag, but I believe in free speech more
No one is arguing against free speech. That's a straw man. No one is saying "they should be forced to change the team name" they are saying "they should change the team name".
No one is saying "It is illegal to go onto a reservation and say "what up redskin"" they are saying "you should not do that.
You said the words I was going to type but really I got distracted by naked ladies on the internet again and forgot where I was going with this.
as a matter of fact, defending racism generally makes me feel like a shitbag, but I believe in free speech more
No one is arguing against free speech. That's a straw man. No one is saying "they should be forced to change the team name" they are saying "they should change the team name".
No one is saying "It is illegal to go onto a reservation and say "what up redskin"" they are saying "you should not do that.
Hi CT.
Just wanna congratulate you on your promotion. That's hot shit, yo.
Callius, how are you doing? I have missed the blue glare of your Wii-mails. I need to send you one and get back to that fucking Trauma Center game.
I'm doing okay. They've been making insanely boneheaded moves at my work (a la firing people that have been here for a while but make a lot of money and bringing in lower paid people who still haven't been trained) that have had me totally exhausted by the time I get home.
I played Zelda on sunday and haven't touched my wii since, nor for about a week prior.
I'll totally send you a message. I love getting that blue light.
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the whole point of an employee stock purchasing plan is two sided 1) it benefits the company because they can write off the stock grants 2) it benefits the current stock holders because a giant stock purchase falsely inflates the company value.
employee stock purchasing plans are only beneficial if you hold on to them as long term investments. DO NOT purchase large amounts, and do not rely on it as a form of income.
This is a section 423 plan with 6 month lookback and an 85% purchase price discount. It's true that it will falsely inflate the stock value, but I'm not extremely concerned with ethical issues involved with immediately flipping the stock. Because we've had some rather wild variations in our stock price over the past year, I'm basically looking at a $3,000 gain on under $7,000 of investment of my own personal money for that same period.
most 423's have "no sell" periods (forcing you to hold on to the stock for a set period of time - usually put in place to stop people from immediately selling their stock and therefore nosediving the prices)... *edit* if that's the case, *edit* the $3000 gain isn't exactly guaranteed.
It's true that there are blackout periods that are frequently enforced, but our accounting department only seems to really care about those when it comes to people exercising stock options such as the ones that were granted last year to 80% of our employees. For some reason, they don't seem to care about the flipping of the ESPP shares. In fact, the head of our benefits department has sent out company-wide e-mails stating that if we intend to sell during a blackout period, all we need to do is send her an e-mail informing her that we are not privy to insider information. I don't know how they can get away with that, but it works for me.
Even considering all this, I do understand that the minimum 15% gain is not 100% guaranteed due to intervals between the time of purchase and the time the shares actually show in my holding account. But the risk of the stock dropping 15% on those few, very specific days is small enough for me to take it.
And, as I said, I'm not really concerned with the ethical issues involved and going against the "spirit of the plan."
I got called cracker once, and I laughed for a long, long time.
Your avatar concept is cool, but you should fix it up.
Cracker isn't what you should worry about.
It's when you have say, 4-10 banned words yelling at you, calling you a "WHITE ASS MOTHERFUCKER!!" etc and oh man they are so angry.
I never had that problem though because the brothers, they like my style for the most part. Fucking redneck hicks and dipshit preppie brats were more of an issue for moi.
In my group of friends, I am the token asian and my other friend is the token black guy. Only he's the not-blackiest black guy you will ever meet. Plays goalie for a hockey team, loves anime, and hates soul food. We call him Tony Gwynn, not exactly sure why.
the whole point of an employee stock purchasing plan is two sided 1) it benefits the company because they can write off the stock grants 2) it benefits the current stock holders because a giant stock purchase falsely inflates the company value.
employee stock purchasing plans are only beneficial if you hold on to them as long term investments. DO NOT purchase large amounts, and do not rely on it as a form of income.
This is a section 423 plan with 6 month lookback and an 85% purchase price discount. It's true that it will falsely inflate the stock value, but I'm not extremely concerned with ethical issues involved with immediately flipping the stock. Because we've had some rather wild variations in our stock price over the past year, I'm basically looking at a $3,000 gain on under $7,000 of investment of my own personal money for that same period.
most 423's have "no sell" periods (forcing you to hold on to the stock for a set period of time - usually put in place to stop people from immediately selling their stock and therefore nosediving the prices)... *edit* if that's the case, *edit* the $3000 gain isn't exactly guaranteed.
It's true that there are blackout periods that we are frequently enforced, but our accounting department only seems to really care about those when it comes to people exercising stock options as were granted last year to 80% of our employees. For some reason, they don't seem to care about the flipping of the ESPP shares. In fact, the head of our benefits department has sent out company-wide e-mails stating that if we intend to sell during a blackout period, all we need to do is send her an e-mail informing her that we are not privy to insider information. I don't know how they can get away with that, but it works for me.
Even considering all this, I do understand that the minimum 15% gain is not 100% guaranteed due to intervals between the time of purchase and the time the shares actually show in my holding account. But the risk of the stock dropping 15% on those few, very specific days is small enough for me to take it.
And, as I said, I'm not really concerned with the ethical issues involved and going against the "spirit of the plan."
Dude I worked with at AT&T made $30,000 when AT&T Wireless launched and provided us with employee priced stock options. He bought the shares on margin, and sold them within 6 hours. He planned on forking over the cash for the margin after he got the cash from the sale (which is backwards). The broker refused to go through with the sale, so he sued him and received the $30,000 he would have made in profit had the purchase gone through.
Mother fucker didn't have a DIME of the margin (something like $120,000).
the SEC was PISSSSSSED.
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I never new any Filipinos until I started swing dancing 6 years ago. Now I'm dating one and have met and/or become friends with about a dozen others, totally unrelated to my girlfriend. I dunno what that's about.
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It IS a term to describe Native Americans you fucking retard.
Secondly, yes you did you reject. The government shouldn't force them to change their name, but they should change their name.
that doesn't make the team name less racist.
hahaha man what a bunch of mooks
employee stock purchasing plans are only beneficial if you hold on to them as long term investments. DO NOT purchase large amounts, and do not rely on it as a form of income.
also, cal societal pressure is still a form of censorship
oh and for the record, it's a strawman because you stupid ass assumption was that I enjoy blurting our racist terms in front of said ethnic group for no logical reason just because
sorry, I don't kool-aid man into an naacp meeting and shout out "What's up ma n----z."
in fact I rarely use racist terms, and it's generally to insult my dad or when my friends call me a spic
as a matter of fact, defending racism generally makes me feel like a shitbag, but I believe in free speech more
Okay, dropping all humorous pretense?
Your argument is asinine. "I don't think it's a racist word, so nobody should be upset about it." Redskin IS a racist word, just as much as Porch Monkey or Dune Coon. This whole argument is reminding me of that scene in Clerks II where Randall doesn't know the word is racist.
I hate to break it to you, but that scene was funny not because the word was ambiguous (it ain't) but because everyone in the audience thought Randall was a complete fucking moron for not knowing this.
You are our Randall in this topic. Call a native a Redskin to his face and see how far you get - don't have to throw in all that other verbage, just call him a Redskin.
[spoiler:f07e04388d]He'll shoot you full of arrows and scalp your pale face, lolz.[/spoiler:f07e04388d]
Washington has been under fire for this for a very long time. Their refusal to change the name is nothing short of ignorant idiocy. Putting that racist moniker on a team that sucks donkey dick is just adding insult to injury.
How do you read stuff like this?
IT reftheth I fpeake a word or tow of the naturall inhabitants, their natures and maners, leaving large difcourfe thereof untill time more convenient hereafter: nowe onely so farre foorth, as that you may know, how that they in respect of troubling our inhabiting and planting, are not to be feared; but that they shall have cause both to feare and love vs, that shall inhabite with them.
Lern 2 spell Thomas Harriot
Jesus, did you shit in your brain today and then call it a day?
They can, and do, use a racist term for their team. We're saying "well, that's racist and pretty shitty. They shouldn't do that."
That's not fucking cencorship, that's not marginalizing free speech. It's saying "Well, that's fucking racist and we don't support that."
Your original point was "It isn't an inherently racist term" which is 100% complete and utter bullshit and just goes to show how little you actually understand the point.
You're just shitting out of your mouth, dumbass.
no it didn't. it just makes your argument look worse.
yes free speech is grand, great and should be fully protected under the law - but that does not make racist statements and terms ok to use.
I can tell you that most of them think it's super funny when you call them names.
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That's a fun song.
This is a section 423 plan with 6 month lookback and an 85% purchase price discount. It's true that it will falsely inflate the stock value, but I'm not extremely concerned with ethical issues involved with immediately flipping the stock. Because we've had some rather wild variations in our stock price over the past year, I'm basically looking at a $3,000 gain on under $7,000 of investment of my own personal money for that same period.
No one is arguing against free speech. That's a straw man. No one is saying "they should be forced to change the team name" they are saying "they should change the team name".
No one is saying "It is illegal to go onto a reservation and say "what up redskin"" they are saying "you should not do that.
most 423's have "no sell" periods (forcing you to hold on to the stock for a set period of time - usually put in place to stop people from immediately selling their stock and therefore nosediving the prices)... *edit* if that's the case, *edit* the $3000 gain isn't exactly guaranteed.
You said the words I was going to type but really I got distracted by naked ladies on the internet again and forgot where I was going with this.
Hi CT.
Just wanna congratulate you on your promotion. That's hot shit, yo.
congrats make on me the mod promotion
I'm doing okay. They've been making insanely boneheaded moves at my work (a la firing people that have been here for a while but make a lot of money and bringing in lower paid people who still haven't been trained) that have had me totally exhausted by the time I get home.
I played Zelda on sunday and haven't touched my wii since, nor for about a week prior.
I'll totally send you a message. I love getting that blue light.
Her response was to call me, laughing.
I'm just saying, racism is fun sometimes.
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I hate when companies pull that shit. Oh man, I'll attach new pictures. Never before seen on the internets.
Dynagrip Family type shiznit.
My family rocks. And we be crazy too sometimes!
Depends on how well you know the person, plus their sense of humor.
Thank you racism for giving me the easiest way to be outrageously in your face outside of spitting on Cancer Kids.
It's true that there are blackout periods that are frequently enforced, but our accounting department only seems to really care about those when it comes to people exercising stock options such as the ones that were granted last year to 80% of our employees. For some reason, they don't seem to care about the flipping of the ESPP shares. In fact, the head of our benefits department has sent out company-wide e-mails stating that if we intend to sell during a blackout period, all we need to do is send her an e-mail informing her that we are not privy to insider information. I don't know how they can get away with that, but it works for me.
Even considering all this, I do understand that the minimum 15% gain is not 100% guaranteed due to intervals between the time of purchase and the time the shares actually show in my holding account. But the risk of the stock dropping 15% on those few, very specific days is small enough for me to take it.
And, as I said, I'm not really concerned with the ethical issues involved and going against the "spirit of the plan."
Man, we said some crazy shit to each other. Often in public. I love that guy.
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Cracker isn't what you should worry about.
It's when you have say, 4-10 banned words yelling at you, calling you a "WHITE ASS MOTHERFUCKER!!" etc and oh man they are so angry.
I never had that problem though because the brothers, they like my style for the most part. Fucking redneck hicks and dipshit preppie brats were more of an issue for moi.
I gotz da ghetto skilz
Using it to sell a national sports team is another.
Hell, my old roommate and I would constantly be insulting each other. He was jewish, you see.
Dude I worked with at AT&T made $30,000 when AT&T Wireless launched and provided us with employee priced stock options. He bought the shares on margin, and sold them within 6 hours. He planned on forking over the cash for the margin after he got the cash from the sale (which is backwards). The broker refused to go through with the sale, so he sued him and received the $30,000 he would have made in profit had the purchase gone through.
Mother fucker didn't have a DIME of the margin (something like $120,000).
the SEC was PISSSSSSED.
Once, I made a joke that actually offended her badly enough that she left the apartment for six hours.
And it didn't even involve the holocaust.
But I should at that the consensus in my admittedly anecdotal experience with Native Americans is that they actually like the team nicknames.
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shit what am I saying
Everybody still knows him as that