That killmail has to be faked, dosen't it say right within the item description of a PLEX that it's not possible to take one out of a station or load it into the cargo bay of a ship, and they are only tradeable via contract?
Anyone else getting a BSOD from trying to install the new patch?
**EDIT** I'm pretty sure it has something to do with steam not installing in the regular directory. The patch tries to find the game, goes cross-eyed and makes my rig shit itself. It's managed to get to the point where it gives me the option to browse for the folder before it remembers that it's trying to fuck me and makes my rig shit itself again.
I'm going to stop trying for now as 3x BSOD can't be good.
Steam has ... issues ... with EVE, I would suggest downloading and installing the client from eveonline.com the account is the same whether you are running via steam or the "real" eve client.
So I took this advice, uninstalled EVE from Steam clean, downloaded the EVE client from the main site, and the installer does the same thing as the patch installer was doing. Gets to about 5% then BSOD's my rig.
Now I'm left with no EVE client at all and no way to install it while my paid days burn away.
What the FUCK?
I'm running vista, core i7, DDR3, nvidia 285.
**EDIT** Question: How do I tell if the steam version full client is the latest version (includes the patch)?
So real world taxes on space money, people blowing up 1000 us dollars, a venue that spans borders and languages, servers in england. How could someone possibly enforce a tax on an intangible item in a country without the same legislation?
CCP Headquarters, North America
CCP North America / White Wolf Publishing
2075 West Park Place BLVD, Suite G
Stone Mountain, GA 30087
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EVE: Online - the most fun you will ever have not playing a game.
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
Touche delro, I'd say I'll take up firearms as a hobby instead but those are already taxed to hell too...
Make your own.
Or perhaps try explosives.
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rucdocCrazy guy in the cornerClassifiedRegistered Userregular
edited December 2010
while CCP has a office in the us, they nither host nor distribute sowftware from there. all data comes from the servers in the UK, the Headquarters is in Iceland. they are a multinational company, btw they also have offices in the UK and singapore. to submit a lawsuit over events within the game, which in the EULA you signed all rights to away, you have have to submit it in either the UK courts, where their servers are or in Iceland where their main HQ is.
again read the EULA, at no time is any ingame item ours, it's all data and all of it belongs to ccp, it's the same reason they can go after people selling accounts or selling isk
EULAs are not as binding as you believe them to be, especially when we start talking about the loss of real market value and potential suits for damages.
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rucdocCrazy guy in the cornerClassifiedRegistered Userregular
edited December 2010
what market value, all assest are theirs selling any of their itellectual property is technicly theft
A friend of mine played this game back when I was in high school. I never really had a chance to get into it though. Is it any different from the other MMOs?
EVE is unique. But that's both good and bad. It has a lot going for it, but CCP's design philosophy for the game seems to be a cross between haughty aristocrat and barely functional autistic savant.
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Plus it is complicated by the fact that the only thing you spend money on is play time. There is no DIRECT conversion between real currency and isk.
My well-thought-out response has been murdered by gremlins! I'll summarize:
PLEX's are essentially coupons redeemable for a service, and like coupons they may not be redeemed for their cash value, but they still have a cash value.
If I have a coupon for a free $100 dinner at my favorite restaurant, and you tear it up, you're liable for that $100, even though I could have never received $100 in cash from the restaurant for the coupon.
Let me also point out that, being a service, the value of PLEX's may not be considered to be set in stone, making it possible for one to sue for statutory damages which are generally significantly higher than actual damages.
"Your honor, with those 74 PLEX's I could have earned enough ISK to purchase 1000 more, and so I am suing for $30,000 in statutory damages in addition to the $2220 in actual damages."
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Just_Bri_ThanksSeething with ragefrom a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPAregular
edited December 2010
And like I said earlier, good luck arguing that one. Once you start talking about real money (never mind weather or not you could even plausibly argue statutory damages) you are out of small claims and into the real court system. You force people to lawyer up "for realz yo" and things have a habit of turning pear shaped in a hurry.
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...and when you are done with that; take a folding
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
And like I said earlier, good luck arguing that one. Once you start talking about real money (never mind weather or not you could even plausibly argue statutory damages) you are out of small claims and into the real court system. You force people to lawyer up "for realz yo" and things have a habit of turning pear shaped in a hurry.
A sizable portion of the EVE player base are lawyers (not a majority, of course) for whom lawyering up means putting on a suit and tie.
Also, it comes down to a matter of convenience: if you're being sued for blowing up internet spaceships to the tune of $30,000, you're going to be out significant legal fees even if you win the case. And God forbid CCP gets sued; either they settle and get sued over and over again (because people know they will settle), or they fight the case in court. If they lose that case, the precedent gets set that ISK has real value. From there, it's not much of a stretch for there to be implemented a luxury tax on in-game income.
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EVE: Online - the most fun you will ever have not playing a game.
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
So, I'm having a bit of altitis right now. I'm running the 14 day trial, as a gallente but I really don't like their play style, the look of most of their ships, or my fatty avatar.
I only have 9 days left on the trial, so I figured I'd throw y'all a question and see what y'all have to say.
Do I just start over now with a new guy, run the 9 free days left and then start a monthly account, or stick with my gallente character and just train skills for whatever race's ships I want to pilot.
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Since your name means "swedish" in swedish, I just assumed you were, ya know, swedish.
I would love a 21 day trial, if someone would be kind enough to offer me one.
I didn't know that they were changing the pic system, and i wasn't sure what difference the races made anymore. Do the bloodlines still offer anything that the others don't have, or do you start with the same skills no matter who you are?
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Since your name means "swedish" in swedish, I just assumed you were, ya know, swedish.
You'll never go wrong training minmatar or amarr for PVP, or caldari for PVE
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rucdocCrazy guy in the cornerClassifiedRegistered Userregular
edited December 2010
the only problem with suing CCP is that it would be like suing an author for killing a character in their own book. it's CCP's IP you pay them a monthly subscription to use items. isk is a creation of theirs and has no real market value because it does not exist. now if isk was a real thing something you could take into court and say look this is what was taken from me then you have a case but the instant you walk before a judge and say they deprived me of ingame stuff the judge looks at you and laughs you out of court.
the only problem with suing CCP is that it would be like suing an author for killing a character in their own book. it's CCP's IP you pay them a monthly subscription to use items. isk is a creation of theirs and has no real market value because it does not exist. now if isk was a real thing something you could take into court and say look this is what was taken from me then you have a case but the instant you walk before a judge and say they deprived me of ingame stuff the judge looks at you and laughs you out of court.
All this, plus you are not allowed to convert any in-game item back into cash. When you buy a time-card, you own the equivalent of a gift-card. If someone in real life steals or destroys a time-card, you have legal recourse. However, turning it into a PLEX is converting a real thing into an in game item. CCP has fulfilled their end of the bargain at that point. Everything in the game is fair game to be destroyed by other players or altered (even reclaimed) by CCP.
To draw a poor analogy, trying to sue someone for destroying your PLEX is equivalent to spending $$$ on a nose-job and then suing after your new nose is broken in a sanctioned boxing match.
the only problem with suing CCP is that it would be like suing an author for killing a character in their own book. it's CCP's IP you pay them a monthly subscription to use items. isk is a creation of theirs and has no real market value because it does not exist. now if isk was a real thing something you could take into court and say look this is what was taken from me then you have a case but the instant you walk before a judge and say they deprived me of ingame stuff the judge looks at you and laughs you out of court.
All this, plus you are not allowed to convert any in-game item back into cash. When you buy a time-card, you own the equivalent of a gift-card. If someone in real life steals or destroys a time-card, you have legal recourse. However, turning it into a PLEX is converting a real thing into an in game item. CCP has fulfilled their end of the bargain at that point. Everything in the game is fair game to be destroyed by other players or altered (even reclaimed) by CCP.
To draw a poor analogy, trying to sue someone for destroying your PLEX is equivalent to spending $$$ on a nose-job and then suing after your new nose is broken in a sanctioned boxing match.
There is a long line of legal precedent that says you can't sue someone for damages arising from actions that are generally part of a sport or game. If you take a line drive to the face while playing baseball (or even watching it) you can't sue. This even applies to injuries that arise from violations of the rules that aren't egregious (an NHL player can't sue another player for injuries received in a fistfight, though he could sue if you purposefully skated over his face or something).
So, someone blows up your PLEX? Tough shit, it's all part of the game. If they hacked your account or CCP committed wire fraud by taking your money and not giving you what you paid for? That would be different.
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Cool, Glen Rose is rad, my grandfather lives in a old folks home there.
It's weird, but I didn't know there was a huge river running through that place until a short time ago, just thought it was all the stuff along the highway.
How do I join Merch, it's not showing up in the people and places search. I would also be the worst spy imaginable.
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Since your name means "swedish" in swedish, I just assumed you were, ya know, swedish.
Cool, Glen Rose is rad, my grandfather lives in a old folks home there.
It's weird, but I didn't know there was a huge river running through that place until a short time ago, just thought it was all the stuff along the highway.
How do I join Merch, it's not showing up in the people and places search. I would also be the worst spy imaginable.
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yeah
when they initially put them in they could not be shipped, they changed it just prior to that killmail though
Especially in a tech 1 frigate.
So I took this advice, uninstalled EVE from Steam clean, downloaded the EVE client from the main site, and the installer does the same thing as the patch installer was doing. Gets to about 5% then BSOD's my rig.
Now I'm left with no EVE client at all and no way to install it while my paid days burn away.
What the FUCK?
I'm running vista, core i7, DDR3, nvidia 285.
**EDIT** Question: How do I tell if the steam version full client is the latest version (includes the patch)?
CCP Headquarters, North America
CCP North America / White Wolf Publishing
2075 West Park Place BLVD, Suite G
Stone Mountain, GA 30087
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
Make your own.
Or perhaps try explosives.
again read the EULA, at no time is any ingame item ours, it's all data and all of it belongs to ccp, it's the same reason they can go after people selling accounts or selling isk
http://www.dust514stats.com
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
http://www.dust514stats.com
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Rigorous Scholarship
My well-thought-out response has been murdered by gremlins! I'll summarize:
PLEX's are essentially coupons redeemable for a service, and like coupons they may not be redeemed for their cash value, but they still have a cash value.
If I have a coupon for a free $100 dinner at my favorite restaurant, and you tear it up, you're liable for that $100, even though I could have never received $100 in cash from the restaurant for the coupon.
Let me also point out that, being a service, the value of PLEX's may not be considered to be set in stone, making it possible for one to sue for statutory damages which are generally significantly higher than actual damages.
"Your honor, with those 74 PLEX's I could have earned enough ISK to purchase 1000 more, and so I am suing for $30,000 in statutory damages in addition to the $2220 in actual damages."
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
welp.
A sizable portion of the EVE player base are lawyers (not a majority, of course) for whom lawyering up means putting on a suit and tie.
Also, it comes down to a matter of convenience: if you're being sued for blowing up internet spaceships to the tune of $30,000, you're going to be out significant legal fees even if you win the case. And God forbid CCP gets sued; either they settle and get sued over and over again (because people know they will settle), or they fight the case in court. If they lose that case, the precedent gets set that ISK has real value. From there, it's not much of a stretch for there to be implemented a luxury tax on in-game income.
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
I only have 9 days left on the trial, so I figured I'd throw y'all a question and see what y'all have to say.
Do I just start over now with a new guy, run the 9 free days left and then start a monthly account, or stick with my gallente character and just train skills for whatever race's ships I want to pilot.
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You don't really gain anything other than more free game time though, they got rid of the racial differences a long time ago.
I didn't know that they were changing the pic system, and i wasn't sure what difference the races made anymore. Do the bloodlines still offer anything that the others don't have, or do you start with the same skills no matter who you are?
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I'll send you a trial if you pm me your email address.
I like most of their higher lv ships, and of course the Rifter.
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http://www.dust514stats.com
[edit] I hear Amarr HAC's and battleships are good too
Any good recommendations for Corps I might have a chance of joining?
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which is part of goonswarm
if you're a spy(which you likely are) they will welcome you with open arms
you spy
Holy fuck man, I just saw your location. I'm over in Glen Rose, what a small world! :rotate:
All this, plus you are not allowed to convert any in-game item back into cash. When you buy a time-card, you own the equivalent of a gift-card. If someone in real life steals or destroys a time-card, you have legal recourse. However, turning it into a PLEX is converting a real thing into an in game item. CCP has fulfilled their end of the bargain at that point. Everything in the game is fair game to be destroyed by other players or altered (even reclaimed) by CCP.
To draw a poor analogy, trying to sue someone for destroying your PLEX is equivalent to spending $$$ on a nose-job and then suing after your new nose is broken in a sanctioned boxing match.
So, someone blows up your PLEX? Tough shit, it's all part of the game. If they hacked your account or CCP committed wire fraud by taking your money and not giving you what you paid for? That would be different.
Rigorous Scholarship
It's weird, but I didn't know there was a huge river running through that place until a short time ago, just thought it was all the stuff along the highway.
How do I join Merch, it's not showing up in the people and places search. I would also be the worst spy imaginable.
eNozN1RVNTYwUDVRNVUzUjOsMVQzRCON1UyApAmYbQZRYwaRBlOqZSYA7ZUOyQ==
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
eNozN1RVNTYwUDVRNVUzUjOsMVQzRCON1UyApAmYbQZRYwaRBlOqZSYA7ZUOyQ==
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=123751
The recruitment thread is here. Follow the instructions in the OP and hold on for the ride.