. If any race was completely weak then wouldn't you see none of them on the top? I'm pretty sure that the percent of zerg at the top is comparable to the percent of zerg players
I can be wrong here
You won't see NONE of them, but you'll see fewer. I don't have the stats handy, but it's something like Toss 33%, Terran 32%, Zerg 20% and Random 15%.
What I am saying is that the ratio is even. Sure it might be 20% zerg, but if 20% of active players are zerg, then that's to be expected (assuming all else equal)
I know less people play zerg, and the most people play protoss, but that doesn't mean that protoss is necessarily stronger than terran
Then what's the reason fewer people prefer to play zerg? Gotta be something behind that.
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I really enjoy 3 gate + stargate against Zerg, it kinda takes a lot of them by surprise.
I do this a lot as well. Having the gate lets me scout (via a phoenix), construct void rays to counter any mass roach/ultra play, and have phoenixes available in case of mutas.
It's weak to strong hydra play, though, which is why I always pursue another tech path shortly after. If he tries aggression after racing to hydras I'm in trouble—it comes down to forcefield use while I desperately research zealot charge/HTs or colossi.
If he's not a fucking idiot, it's pretty goddamn infallible against Zerg on larger maps.
You can't macro hard because you won't have enough units to stop the initial push. But you won't have enough money/larva to stop the second push if you can fend off the first. It's a joke. Your only hope is to take out their pylon before they can get Warpgate up, which, it turns out, is somewhat difficult if they hide it well.
The swarm can crush the puny Protoss and their little robots if timed correctly.
I really enjoy 3 gate + stargate against Zerg, it kinda takes a lot of them by surprise.
I do this a lot as well. Having the gate lets me scout (via a phoenix), construct void rays to counter any mass roach/ultra play, and have phoenixes available in case of mutas.
It's weak to strong hydra play, though, which is why I always pursue another tech path shortly after. If he tries aggression after racing to hydras I'm in trouble—it comes down to forcefield use while I desperately research zealot charge/HTs or colossi.
True, I love my Phoenix and Zealots though,so Chargelots are one of the first things I research.
I wonder if Dimaga might have been able to hold it off a little better if he had killed the SCVs repairing that Thor or if it would have been the same.
Would it be so bad if zerg's creep started out bigger? Say....to the ramp?
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I will throw you on the land and hurl you on the open field. I will let all the birds of the air settle on you and all the beasts of the earth gorge themselves on you. I will spread your flesh on the mountains and fill the valleys with your remains. I will drench the land with your flowing blood all the way to the mountains, and the ravines will be filled with your flesh. - Ezekiel 32: 4-6
Pretty amazing that TLO did almost no damage with his Hellions and ended up losing a bunch, but because he could get his natural and transition into that upgrade-heavy mech he still never looked like he was going to lose.
Then what's the reason fewer people prefer to play zerg? Gotta be something behind that.
Why don't I play zerg? I find them unwieldly, I don't like spitting larva, I don't like their units, I don't like zerg. That's it. I don't avoid them because they're "weak". I think their creep is cool, but i don't like losing my drones to structures, it just feels like a lot to follow. I started with Protoss and I stuck with it. If I started with Zerg I'd probably have stuck with them. They were all foreign to me at the time.
And even assuming that perhaps they are harder to get used to (which may be true, though I know plenty of BW players that still play zerg) this doesn't make them necessarily harder to use with sufficient experience, or a worse race. Assuming you have background in statistics, the reasons people don't play zerg can be literally anything.
I seriously think I'm just going to stop playing multi until they nerf 4 gate, since Zerg can't fucking defend against it.
This simply isnt true, also you should be pretty much just expecting 4 gate vs protoss. It really isn't that hard to defend against and when it fails many protoss fall apart after that.
Yes you can defend by 6-pooling
Woo
post a replay of you losing to a 4gate and ill tell you what you are doing wrong
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edited September 2010
I think fewer people prefer Zerg because they're more complicated. I don't think we're underpowered really, and I imagine over time that more and more Zergs will figure out the right timings and drone/army balances and realize that despite a little complexity, we're right on par with the other races.
The ratio of top Zerg players to total Zerg players is definitely fine.
Then what's the reason fewer people prefer to play zerg? Gotta be something behind that.
Well as a shitty bronze player (though I just got my 3 in a row ach so maybe I'm improving?) anyways, as a shitty bronze player zerg just seems harder, the units weaker. I'll get around to trying them out eventually, but I can only imagine I would go with a 2nd hatch just for production after the expansion. I mean shit, it seems like all zerg can do is either harass or suicide units into an army.
That doesn't seem like fun to me. Also, GD they should be able to wall off a little more effectively.
Then what's the reason fewer people prefer to play zerg? Gotta be something behind that.
Why don't I play zerg? I find them unwieldly, I don't like spitting larva, I don't like their units, I don't like zerg. That's it. I don't avoid them because they're "weak"
So it's all aesthetics? If that was the case, the ratio would be much closer. That kind of disparity speaks to something a little deeper.
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I will throw you on the land and hurl you on the open field. I will let all the birds of the air settle on you and all the beasts of the earth gorge themselves on you. I will spread your flesh on the mountains and fill the valleys with your remains. I will drench the land with your flowing blood all the way to the mountains, and the ravines will be filled with your flesh. - Ezekiel 32: 4-6
Then what's the reason fewer people prefer to play zerg? Gotta be something behind that.
Why don't I play zerg? I find them unwieldly, I don't like spitting larva, I don't like their units, I don't like zerg. That's it. I don't avoid them because they're "weak"
So it's all aesthetics? If that was the case, the ratio would be much closer. That kind of disparity speaks to something a little deeper.
I actually like the look of the zerg units. Terran are the most boring, IMO.
I think less people play zerg, because they're a much more reactive race. I either need to react to what you're building, or try to get you to build something and build what I can that works good against that. I can't just make up a big army and steamroll in no matter what they've got.
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edited September 2010
I don't know,I can kinda see a lot more people liking the aesthetics of the "human" and "technology" race then those of the "slimy bug" race.
Does zerg really have an unbeatable "critical mass" unit?
Protoss have Void Rays. Terran have Tanks. Zerg have...? I can't think of something for them that just gets to the point that it's extremely difficult to overcome. That might be part of the problem?
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Then what's the reason fewer people prefer to play zerg? Gotta be something behind that.
Why don't I play zerg? I find them unwieldly, I don't like spitting larva, I don't like their units, I don't like zerg. That's it. I don't avoid them because they're "weak"
So it's all aesthetics? If that was the case, the ratio would be much closer. That kind of disparity speaks to something a little deeper.
the perception that they are weaker whether they actually are or not
edit - also that they are harder to play wrt mechanics
at this point i don't see why you can't put spine crawlers onto ultras
omegalisks need to happen
somebody find the concept art for them
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I will throw you on the land and hurl you on the open field. I will let all the birds of the air settle on you and all the beasts of the earth gorge themselves on you. I will spread your flesh on the mountains and fill the valleys with your remains. I will drench the land with your flowing blood all the way to the mountains, and the ravines will be filled with your flesh. - Ezekiel 32: 4-6
I think less people play zerg, because they're a much more reactive race. I either need to react to what you're building, or try to get you to build something and build what I can that works good against that. I can't just make up a big army and steamroll in no matter what they've got.
If they're the "reactive" race...shouldn't scouting be a little less of a chore? Not saying its impossible, but its damn frustrating.
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I will throw you on the land and hurl you on the open field. I will let all the birds of the air settle on you and all the beasts of the earth gorge themselves on you. I will spread your flesh on the mountains and fill the valleys with your remains. I will drench the land with your flowing blood all the way to the mountains, and the ravines will be filled with your flesh. - Ezekiel 32: 4-6
Then what's the reason fewer people prefer to play zerg? Gotta be something behind that.
Why don't I play zerg? I find them unwieldly, I don't like spitting larva, I don't like their units, I don't like zerg. That's it. I don't avoid them because they're "weak"
So it's all aesthetics? If that was the case, the ratio would be much closer. That kind of disparity speaks to something a little deeper.
I edited my last post before seeing this one, but to refine things I'll say this. With zerg, you get more freedom with the cost of having a bit more upkeep. I have to click a robo or stargate in order to make those units, you can make them all from one structure. However, you need to click a queen and spit larva every 40(?) seconds. You can stock up on money and larva and counter any force with a complete army in a dozen seconds, We can't do that. Sure warpgates are nice, but you'll never be making 30 units at one time with warpgates.
This mechanic, of spitting larva rather than clicking on a building, is somewhat unintuitive IMO. And I think it is this specific mechanic that people avoid.
If you want to talk about micro, zerg micro is effectively three things. Ctrl clicking, boxing, and attack moving. With protoss, I have to forcefield things and guardian shield, and that's just with my starting army. That's not to mention the blinking that comes soon, the gravity lifting, or any of that. Zerg is inherently more attack moving and less "abilities". Zerg is more about mouse control (imo) while protoss is more about keyboard clicks and ability placement. Anyone else can disagree, the differences between the races are myriad.
Does zerg really have an unbeatable "critical mass" unit?
Protoss have Void Rays. Terran have Tanks. Zerg have...? I can't think of something for them that just gets to the point that it's extremely difficult to overcome. That might be part of the problem?
Hydralisks.
Drown them in a sea of Hydralisks.
I don't think I've ever teched to Brood Lords and won.
Does zerg really have an unbeatable "critical mass" unit?
Protoss have Void Rays. Terran have Tanks. Zerg have...? I can't think of something for them that just gets to the point that it's extremely difficult to overcome. That might be part of the problem?
Hydralisks.
Drown them in a sea of Hydralisks.
I don't think I've ever teched to Brood Lords and won.
Broodlords are game enders. Do it more often.
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edited September 2010
I don't understand the reactive thing. not saying it's not true I just don't really understand it.
everyone has to react to what there opponent is doing.
Does zerg really have an unbeatable "critical mass" unit?
Protoss have Void Rays. Terran have Tanks. Zerg have...? I can't think of something for them that just gets to the point that it's extremely difficult to overcome. That might be part of the problem?
Broodlords are pretty damn awesome. If you don't have sufficient AA they can be a bitch.
void rays are countered by marines or mutalisks(?) and tanks are countered by any air to ground unit. Broodlords are like tanks but sweeter (thus more expensive)
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Edit: Oh man siege tanks weren't sieged in time.
I know less people play zerg, and the most people play protoss, but that doesn't mean that protoss is necessarily stronger than terran
It's weak to strong hydra play, though, which is why I always pursue another tech path shortly after. If he tries aggression after racing to hydras I'm in trouble—it comes down to forcefield use while I desperately research zealot charge/HTs or colossi.
The swarm can crush the puny Protoss and their little robots if timed correctly.
True, I love my Phoenix and Zealots though,so Chargelots are one of the first things I research.
Why don't I play zerg? I find them unwieldly, I don't like spitting larva, I don't like their units, I don't like zerg. That's it. I don't avoid them because they're "weak". I think their creep is cool, but i don't like losing my drones to structures, it just feels like a lot to follow. I started with Protoss and I stuck with it. If I started with Zerg I'd probably have stuck with them. They were all foreign to me at the time.
And even assuming that perhaps they are harder to get used to (which may be true, though I know plenty of BW players that still play zerg) this doesn't make them necessarily harder to use with sufficient experience, or a worse race. Assuming you have background in statistics, the reasons people don't play zerg can be literally anything.
post a replay of you losing to a 4gate and ill tell you what you are doing wrong
The ratio of top Zerg players to total Zerg players is definitely fine.
Well as a shitty bronze player (though I just got my 3 in a row ach so maybe I'm improving?) anyways, as a shitty bronze player zerg just seems harder, the units weaker. I'll get around to trying them out eventually, but I can only imagine I would go with a 2nd hatch just for production after the expansion. I mean shit, it seems like all zerg can do is either harass or suicide units into an army.
That doesn't seem like fun to me. Also, GD they should be able to wall off a little more effectively.
So it's all aesthetics? If that was the case, the ratio would be much closer. That kind of disparity speaks to something a little deeper.
I actually like the look of the zerg units. Terran are the most boring, IMO.
omegalisks need to happen
somebody find the concept art for them
Protoss have Void Rays. Terran have Tanks. Zerg have...? I can't think of something for them that just gets to the point that it's extremely difficult to overcome. That might be part of the problem?
the perception that they are weaker whether they actually are or not
edit - also that they are harder to play wrt mechanics
my friend was saying that people were discussing on some forum that hatcheries should come with a creep tumor or queens should start with 50 energy
that'd be cool
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all of the zerg noises are pretty fun
(i like races with cool noises)
(thus fuck terran)
If they're the "reactive" race...shouldn't scouting be a little less of a chore? Not saying its impossible, but its damn frustrating.
This mechanic, of spitting larva rather than clicking on a building, is somewhat unintuitive IMO. And I think it is this specific mechanic that people avoid.
If you want to talk about micro, zerg micro is effectively three things. Ctrl clicking, boxing, and attack moving. With protoss, I have to forcefield things and guardian shield, and that's just with my starting army. That's not to mention the blinking that comes soon, the gravity lifting, or any of that. Zerg is inherently more attack moving and less "abilities". Zerg is more about mouse control (imo) while protoss is more about keyboard clicks and ability placement. Anyone else can disagree, the differences between the races are myriad.
thats what ultralisks should be
maybe we'll get an ultralisk morph in heart of the swarm!!!
Edit: Well slow drops gets the job done at least. :P
Hydralisks.
Drown them in a sea of Hydralisks.
I don't think I've ever teched to Brood Lords and won.
I love the "Slimy Bug Race", The real reason I play Zerg though, is I love zerglings, they make me laugh.
Broodlords are game enders. Do it more often.
everyone has to react to what there opponent is doing.
void rays are countered by marines or mutalisks(?) and tanks are countered by any air to ground unit. Broodlords are like tanks but sweeter (thus more expensive)