Upon further review, the backstab talent in Assassination might actually prove to be quite useful in some situations. I'd try it out but dummies dont go below 35% so I might respec for it and jump into a few heroics later.
Muderous intent is useless I find, but doing many tests on boss dummies with Mutilate is nice: Start with garrote (might switch to ambush cause garrote is dealing almost no damage on my parses) mutilate, SnD, mutilate mutilate for 5, use imp expose armor (which is a great dps booster), then throw on a rupture, spam mutilate throwing in C/D's and such and using envenom at 5 and keeping expose armor and rupture up. Rupture isn't dealing that much damage on my parses, but the poison that u use it for does some moderately nice damage.
Recuperate is pretty freaking sweet and makes duels last much longer. Dueled at rogue earlier and we ended up opening on each other 5-6 times cause we can't using recuperate at the right time.
I'd probably play Assassination in raid settings in Cataclysm, cause not only is the damage pretty fair and fun, but it also brings two sizable dps buffs (Master Poisoner and Expose Armor).
If you have Imp Exposed Armor, why wouldn't you do that with your first 5 CPs instead of SnD? Since it's 'free' and you get the CPs right back, *then* you can SnD or Rupture or whatever.
It's not really worth looking at the stuff on PTR right now re: Justice points. The system is pretty clearly not setup correctly at all right now.
I had something like 20 frost and 20 triumph on my rogue, so now I have like 40 justice points...yet items cost hundreds, and some of the shit on the triumph vendor costs like 1100 points.
So there's definitely either something wonky with the prices of the items, or they intend to convert badges to significantly more than 1:1 and just haven't made that work yet.
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I wonder how much gold we'll get for our badges of justice.
It's not really worth looking at the stuff on PTR right now re: Justice points. The system is pretty clearly not setup correctly at all right now.
I had something like 20 frost and 20 triumph on my rogue, so now I have like 40 justice points...yet items cost hundreds, and some of the shit on the triumph vendor costs like 1100 points.
So there's definitely either something wonky with the prices of the items, or they intend to convert badges to significantly more than 1:1 and just haven't made that work yet.
Well, I imagine Wrath emblems aren't worth as much as Cataclysm points. Imagine if someone stocked up on emblems and was able to buy end game gear before even hitting 81?
It's not really worth looking at the stuff on PTR right now re: Justice points. The system is pretty clearly not setup correctly at all right now.
I had something like 20 frost and 20 triumph on my rogue, so now I have like 40 justice points...yet items cost hundreds, and some of the shit on the triumph vendor costs like 1100 points.
So there's definitely either something wonky with the prices of the items, or they intend to convert badges to significantly more than 1:1 and just haven't made that work yet.
Well, I imagine Wrath emblems aren't worth as much as Cataclysm points. Imagine if someone stocked up on emblems and was able to buy end game gear before even hitting 81?
Sure, but my point is that the pricing of Wrath items on the PTR is crazy high and doesn't even remotely resemble the pricing on Live.
1100 points required when my frost badges were worth only 1 point each? Something is not finished there.
Okay, so am I correct in assuming it's not longer the level of Emblem that matters, but just the price that will go up per tier? So you won't be able to stockpile a shit-ton of Justice Points at level 80 and just buy a crapton of gear at 85? (Or Run Tier 11 raids on end while tier 14 gear is available, and jump 3 tiers without dealing with the increased difficulty?)
The thing is, if the prices increase to make the points you get at 80 (and eventually Tier 11, 12, 13 etc. etc.) aren't they going to have to keep increasing the point cap because gear will get more and more expensive?
EDIT: Also, does this mean we'll be able to buy old level 70 badge gear for cash?
Okay, so am I correct in assuming it's not longer the level of Emblem that matters, but just the price that will go up per tier? So you won't be able to stockpile a shit-ton of Justice Points at level 80 and just buy a crapton of gear at 85? (Or Run Tier 11 raids on end while tier 14 gear is available, and jump 3 tiers without dealing with the increased difficulty?)
The thing is, if the prices increase to make the points you get at 80 (and eventually Tier 11, 12, 13 etc. etc.) aren't they going to have to keep increasing the point cap because gear will get more and more expensive?
Stuff from non-current tiers is moved down to heroism points, if I'm understanding everything correctly. Justice points is just for current tier "badge gear".
Edit: I may have it backwards, or just completely wrong, but there is supposed to be two tiers of pve points. The higher end of the two will be used for the latest tier, everything else will be bought with the lower end points, likely getting reduced in price to as the gear gets more and more outdated.
I'm also thinking the cost will be expensive because Cata dungeons probably give a good chunk more points than the number of emblems we're used to. Assuming I'm reading all of this correctly.
EDIT:
Response was rushed due to stuff...
Anyways, do leveling dungeons give points in Cata? If not, ignore what I just mangled.
I would suspect the leveling dungeons will give you points on your first random of the day, similar to how the leveling dungeons in Wrath give 2 triumph emblems.
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On the PTR, they put up the new classes changes, yes?
So they've gotten rid of Defense Rating and Spellpower and the like, right?
On the PTR, they put up the new classes changes, yes?
So they've gotten rid of Defense Rating and Spellpower and the like, right?
Yes.
It seems like most of my defense became dodge and spell power either became INT, SPI, or a mixture of the two depending on the piece.
Oh, and armor pen changes were based on gear as well. ArPen gems became crit, but on gear it would sometimes appear as haste if a piece was already crit heavy. The Needle Encrusted Scorpion now has a haste proc instead, and the thing is a monster. Its like 692 haste rating or some shit. So id you're an enhance shaman and passed on it before, I'd pick one up now.
Huh. So it's just the one set of Justice points for badge gear and the like? I thought they mentioned way way back that it was going to be a 2 tier system. One set of points for the current top dog stuff, and another set for everything else. With the plan that, whenever the tiers go up, your top points are converted to the lower points, to prevent you from hoarding and buying new stuff on day 1.
If it's just the one pool for everything now, I wonder what their plans are for when new content hits. Like I mentioned, they've always been pretty adamant on the whole "no hoarding" design philosophy. Right now, there doesn't seem to be anything in place to stop people from simply amassing Justice points before a new patch, and then getting some instant gear when servers come up.
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Patch 4.0.3 is pretty much Cataclysm as someone that doesn't own Cataclysm. This includes the world changes, new combos, Azerothian Navigation, graphical improvements and so forth. I'd wager it'll land a week before Cataclysm at the earliest. They make it sound like we won't have that patch for very long before launch.
Huh. So it's just the one set of Justice points for badge gear and the like? I thought they mentioned way way back that it was going to be a 2 tier system. One set of points for the current top dog stuff, and another set for everything else. With the plan that, whenever the tiers go up, your top points are converted to the lower points, to prevent you from hoarding and buying new stuff on day 1.
If it's just the one pool for everything now, I wonder what their plans are for when new content hits. Like I mentioned, they've always been pretty adamant on the whole "no hoarding" design philosophy. Right now, there doesn't seem to be anything in place to stop people from simply amassing Justice points before a new patch, and then getting some instant gear when servers come up.
There's still 2 pools.
It's just all the shit from this expansion is getting turned into the lower pools points. The higher pool stuff you will need to do Cataclysm end game shit to get ahold of.
Huh. So it's just the one set of Justice points for badge gear and the like? I thought they mentioned way way back that it was going to be a 2 tier system. One set of points for the current top dog stuff, and another set for everything else. With the plan that, whenever the tiers go up, your top points are converted to the lower points, to prevent you from hoarding and buying new stuff on day 1.
If it's just the one pool for everything now, I wonder what their plans are for when new content hits. Like I mentioned, they've always been pretty adamant on the whole "no hoarding" design philosophy. Right now, there doesn't seem to be anything in place to stop people from simply amassing Justice points before a new patch, and then getting some instant gear when servers come up.
No, there's still two pools. Everything that's being converted will be going into Justice points, which is the lower of the two. Valor points are the higher-end ones.
Patch 4.0.3 is pretty much Cataclysm as someone that doesn't own Cataclysm. This includes the world changes, new combos, Azerothian Navigation, graphical improvements and so forth. I'd wager it'll land a week before Cataclysm at the earliest. They make it sound like we won't have that patch for very long before launch.
Yeah, and I had previously gotten all excited about the "revamped quests before launch" thing, hoping to get a new character to a decent level beforehand.
On the PTR? Are you saying that even though stuff has gone to the point currency to buy, you're still just getting the emblems from the heroics?
Meaning you would have to farm about a hundred heroic runs to afford one item?
That doesn't sound right at all.
Sounds exactly like I would expect it to. Grind for shit. What else is there to do in an MMO?
That would be a level of grind unheard of in WoW...and totally pointless given that once 4.0 hits, Cataclysm won't be long in coming after that.
It'd basically mean that they might as well take the emblem vendors out of the game completely at that point, because it'd be an utter waste of time to grind that many heroics to get one item that will be replaced by a leveling green probably about a month later.
Okay, #1 on my want list for future features: Being able to "mine for fish:" that is not having to cast a half dozen times to hit the fucking fishing node. It's annoying and doesn't add anything to the game IMO. Can we please just right click on the damn node and fish it?
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Okay, #1 on my want list for future features: Being able to "mine for fish:" that is not having to cast a half dozen times to hit the fucking fishing node. It's annoying and doesn't add anything to the game IMO. Can we please just right click on the damn node and fish it?
But that wouldn't be fun interactive entertainment.
Okay, #1 on my want list for future features: Being able to "mine for fish:" that is not having to cast a half dozen times to hit the fucking fishing node. It's annoying and doesn't add anything to the game IMO. Can we please just right click on the damn node and fish it?
But that wouldn't be fun interactive entertainment.
Bah I say. BAH! I already have to pay attention to the bobber and click on it at the right time and hope lag doesn't screw me over, I should have to toss the line 6 times to try and hit the bloody node too. P
Okay, #1 on my want list for future features: Being able to "mine for fish:" that is not having to cast a half dozen times to hit the fucking fishing node. It's annoying and doesn't add anything to the game IMO. Can we please just right click on the damn node and fish it?
I've been wanting this since day one.
Fishing sucks and isn't fun at all...but I feel like I'm supposed to have it.
What if they went the other way and made fishing more involved and potentially fun, yet more time consuming. And perhaps make fish recipes produce more stuff so the time ratio worked out the same? So you take more time to catch each fish but you don't require as many to produce the same amount of food as currently.
Would it be better or worse if you started fishing and it brought up a vehicle ui and it was like that protodrake daily where you need to maintain grip while whittling it down, except maintaining tension without breaking the line or something?
I never did that dailiy because too many people complained about it I thought it was best to skip it
They said they were going to make fishing fun! and fast! I don't mind the way it is now with the quests and other things just leveling it is a pain in the ass
I never did that dailiy because too many people complained about it I thought it was best to skip it
They said they were going to make fishing fun! and fast! I don't mind the way it is now with the quests and other things just leveling it is a pain in the ass
those people are the silliest of geese. Go do it now, even if only once, just so you know for yourself whether it should've been skipped (and if I recall, it gives more rep than most of the others). My favorite daily by far.
I never did that dailiy because too many people complained about it I thought it was best to skip it
They said they were going to make fishing fun! and fast! I don't mind the way it is now with the quests and other things just leveling it is a pain in the ass
those people are the silliest of geese. Go do it now, even if only once, just so you know for yourself whether it should've been skipped (and if I recall, it gives more rep than most of the others). My favorite daily by far.
Seriously, that was a fun daily. You grab on to a pissed of protodrake and fly all the hell over Storm Peaks dodging it's claws and stabbing at it. Then it dies and you ride the body to the ground. Its a little easier if you can shield yourself and throw on some HoTs right at the beginning, but it's not too bad.
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If you have Imp Exposed Armor, why wouldn't you do that with your first 5 CPs instead of SnD? Since it's 'free' and you get the CPs right back, *then* you can SnD or Rupture or whatever.
I had something like 20 frost and 20 triumph on my rogue, so now I have like 40 justice points...yet items cost hundreds, and some of the shit on the triumph vendor costs like 1100 points.
So there's definitely either something wonky with the prices of the items, or they intend to convert badges to significantly more than 1:1 and just haven't made that work yet.
Even 1 gold per badge would net me a cool 500ish.
Well, I imagine Wrath emblems aren't worth as much as Cataclysm points. Imagine if someone stocked up on emblems and was able to buy end game gear before even hitting 81?
-Frost items: trinkets are 694, relics 647, capes 578, non-set items 1100 (chest), 694 gloves/belts
-Heirlooms: chest/shoulders and 1 handers 435, 2H weapons 706, trinkets 543
The other vendors (Heroism, Conquest, Triumph) are cheaper by varying degrees.
Pretty pricey, but we'll see if they change that at all.
Sure, but my point is that the pricing of Wrath items on the PTR is crazy high and doesn't even remotely resemble the pricing on Live.
1100 points required when my frost badges were worth only 1 point each? Something is not finished there.
The thing is, if the prices increase to make the points you get at 80 (and eventually Tier 11, 12, 13 etc. etc.) aren't they going to have to keep increasing the point cap because gear will get more and more expensive?
EDIT: Also, does this mean we'll be able to buy old level 70 badge gear for cash?
Stuff from non-current tiers is moved down to heroism points, if I'm understanding everything correctly. Justice points is just for current tier "badge gear".
Edit: I may have it backwards, or just completely wrong, but there is supposed to be two tiers of pve points. The higher end of the two will be used for the latest tier, everything else will be bought with the lower end points, likely getting reduced in price to as the gear gets more and more outdated.
EDIT:
Response was rushed due to stuff...
Anyways, do leveling dungeons give points in Cata? If not, ignore what I just mangled.
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So they've gotten rid of Defense Rating and Spellpower and the like, right?
Yes.
It seems like most of my defense became dodge and spell power either became INT, SPI, or a mixture of the two depending on the piece.
Oh, and armor pen changes were based on gear as well. ArPen gems became crit, but on gear it would sometimes appear as haste if a piece was already crit heavy. The Needle Encrusted Scorpion now has a haste proc instead, and the thing is a monster. Its like 692 haste rating or some shit. So id you're an enhance shaman and passed on it before, I'd pick one up now.
If it's just the one pool for everything now, I wonder what their plans are for when new content hits. Like I mentioned, they've always been pretty adamant on the whole "no hoarding" design philosophy. Right now, there doesn't seem to be anything in place to stop people from simply amassing Justice points before a new patch, and then getting some instant gear when servers come up.
I think i heard those are coming 4.0.3 (PTR is 4.0.1), which will be the next phase of testing in probably 2 weeks.
There's still 2 pools.
It's just all the shit from this expansion is getting turned into the lower pools points. The higher pool stuff you will need to do Cataclysm end game shit to get ahold of.
No, there's still two pools. Everything that's being converted will be going into Justice points, which is the lower of the two. Valor points are the higher-end ones.
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Yeah, and I had previously gotten all excited about the "revamped quests before launch" thing, hoping to get a new character to a decent level beforehand.
Any word on how many justice points you get from a run of your average heroic 5 man?
On the PTR? Are you saying that even though stuff has gone to the point currency to buy, you're still just getting the emblems from the heroics?
Meaning you would have to farm about a hundred heroic runs to afford one item?
That doesn't sound right at all.
Sounds exactly like I would expect it to. Grind for shit. What else is there to do in an MMO?
That would be a level of grind unheard of in WoW...and totally pointless given that once 4.0 hits, Cataclysm won't be long in coming after that.
It'd basically mean that they might as well take the emblem vendors out of the game completely at that point, because it'd be an utter waste of time to grind that many heroics to get one item that will be replaced by a leveling green probably about a month later.
But that wouldn't be fun interactive entertainment.
Bah I say. BAH! I already have to pay attention to the bobber and click on it at the right time and hope lag doesn't screw me over, I should have to toss the line 6 times to try and hit the bloody node too. P
I've been wanting this since day one.
Fishing sucks and isn't fun at all...but I feel like I'm supposed to have it.
Well some of us play on a server that went to shit in wrath
Would it be better or worse if you started fishing and it brought up a vehicle ui and it was like that protodrake daily where you need to maintain grip while whittling it down, except maintaining tension without breaking the line or something?
They said they were going to make fishing fun! and fast! I don't mind the way it is now with the quests and other things just leveling it is a pain in the ass
those people are the silliest of geese. Go do it now, even if only once, just so you know for yourself whether it should've been skipped (and if I recall, it gives more rep than most of the others). My favorite daily by far.
Seriously, that was a fun daily. You grab on to a pissed of protodrake and fly all the hell over Storm Peaks dodging it's claws and stabbing at it. Then it dies and you ride the body to the ground. Its a little easier if you can shield yourself and throw on some HoTs right at the beginning, but it's not too bad.
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