Drunks are approximately a hundred times worse than potheads.
The worst I'd ever had to deal with from any pothead was a mild pot smell (which isn't exactly fair because I kind of enjoy it but let's count it as a negative) and overaffection.
The worst I've dealt with with drunks is belligerence, aggression, and just blinding stupidity.
I mean, it's pretty clear which is worse if you're going to judge.
drunks are way more dangerous, it's true
i've never seen a really belligerent pothead. inattentive, sure, but drunks are inattentive as well.
i just find the kind of social interactions that people high on pot have to be personally unpleasant.
That's... nice I guess. It isn't really what I was talking about though.
i mean i guess i am saying that i think it's okay to dislike pot/ look down on potheads even if you drink alcohol.
i guess in the same way that it's okay to be a pothead and still look down on, like, glueheads or tweakers
It's only okay if you are okay with being a complete hypocrite, I guess.
i guess i don't see there being some sort of necessary common cause among drug-takers, and i think it's okay to think that some drugs are worse and some are better, and i think it's okay to dislike the cultures surrounding different drugs.
i mean, would you go to bat for crack or huffing gasoline or shooting heroin and their associated subcultures?
fwiw. i think that pot should probably be legal, but i still would dislike it.
My entire point is that pot is not "worse" than alcohol by any conceivable standard you choose to examine: it is safer, it is less addictive, it is healthier, it doesn't make people act like douchebags or do things they regret, etc. So for someone who regularly binges on alcohol to look down on a pothead is hypocritical, yeah. It is perfectly fine to not wish to associate with potheads just as it is perfectly fine to not wish to associate with alcoholics. But my point is something being legal does not make it safer or healthier, and those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
For someone who does neither to look down on both is I guess unfortunately judgmental, but doesn't make them a hypocrite.
Mescaline just sounds more romantic and old-timey than any other drug I could think of. That's why I went with that. It sounds like the kind of thing Peter Lorre would take on the sly while he wasn't grassing up his hoodlum friends to Humphrey Bogart.
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Drunks are approximately a hundred times worse than potheads.
The worst I'd ever had to deal with from any pothead was a mild pot smell (which isn't exactly fair because I kind of enjoy it but let's count it as a negative) and overaffection.
The worst I've dealt with with drunks is belligerence, aggression, and just blinding stupidity.
I mean, it's pretty clear which is worse if you're going to judge.
yeah I would definitely say potheads are probably one of the better people to be around if you have to be sober and around intoxicated people
that being said I vastly prefer alcohol
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Mescaline just sounds more romantic and old-timey than any other drug I could think of. That's why I went with that. It sounds like the kind of thing Peter Lorre would take on the sly while he wasn't grassing up his hoodlum friends to Humphrey Bogart.
There was a time, that [chat] saw firsthand, where I smoked weed every night for 3 months. That was a bleak 3 months. Not that I'm less depressed now, but I'm more in control.
Mescaline just sounds more romantic and old-timey than any other drug I could think of. That's why I went with that. It sounds like the kind of thing Peter Lorre would take on the sly while he wasn't grassing up his hoodlum friends to Humphrey Bogart.
Yeah, being a psychedelic that's virtually unknown outside of an extremely small and insular subculture of people who have the means and desire to seek it out, it does seem kind of romantic.
There was a time, that [chat] saw firsthand, where I smoked weed every night for 3 months. That was a bleak 3 months. Not that I'm less depressed now, but I'm more in control.
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I accidently shit my pants do I clean up or get high?
My entire point is that pot is not "worse" than alcohol by any conceivable standard you choose to examine: it is safer, it is less addictive, it is healthier, it doesn't make people act like douchebags or do things they regret, etc. So for someone who regularly binges on alcohol to look down on a pothead is hypocritical, yeah. It is perfectly fine to not wish to associate with potheads just as it is perfectly fine to not wish to associate with alcoholics. But my point is something being legal does not make it safer or healthier, and those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
For someone who does neither to look down on both is I guess unfortunately judgmental, but doesn't make them a hypocrite.
i guess what i'm suggesting is that there are reasonable standards besides how dangerous or harmful a drug is.
Mescaline just sounds more romantic and old-timey than any other drug I could think of. That's why I went with that. It sounds like the kind of thing Peter Lorre would take on the sly while he wasn't grassing up his hoodlum friends to Humphrey Bogart.
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Hey, that's a good old-timey drug. Though it's more the kind of thing that a bespectacled quack would prescribe to Bette Davis while she had a breakdown.
Mescaline just sounds more romantic and old-timey than any other drug I could think of. That's why I went with that. It sounds like the kind of thing Peter Lorre would take on the sly while he wasn't grassing up his hoodlum friends to Humphrey Bogart.
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Seriously, TM, you could log in as me and post exactly the same stuff you already do, and it would be fine.
Also can you guys imagine talking to Humphrey Bogart on mescaline? Wow.
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It depends on the social interaction.
Alcohol is much more fun when dealing with larger groups of people, whereas with smaller groups other activities can be more fun.
Mescaline just sounds more romantic and old-timey than any other drug I could think of. That's why I went with that. It sounds like the kind of thing Peter Lorre would take on the sly while he wasn't grassing up his hoodlum friends to Humphrey Bogart.
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Hey, that's a good old-timey drug. Though it's more the kind of thing that a bespectacled quack would prescribe to Bette Davis while she had a breakdown.
My entire point is that pot is not "worse" than alcohol by any conceivable standard you choose to examine: it is safer, it is less addictive, it is healthier, it doesn't make people act like douchebags or do things they regret, etc. So for someone who regularly binges on alcohol to look down on a pothead is hypocritical, yeah. It is perfectly fine to not wish to associate with potheads just as it is perfectly fine to not wish to associate with alcoholics. But my point is something being legal does not make it safer or healthier, and those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
For someone who does neither to look down on both is I guess unfortunately judgmental, but doesn't make them a hypocrite.
i guess what i'm suggesting is that there are reasonable standards besides how dangerous or harmful a drug is.
Such as?
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Mescaline just sounds more romantic and old-timey than any other drug I could think of. That's why I went with that. It sounds like the kind of thing Peter Lorre would take on the sly while he wasn't grassing up his hoodlum friends to Humphrey Bogart.
Yeah, being a psychedelic that's virtually unknown outside of an extremely small and insular subculture of people who have the means and desire to seek it out, it does seem kind of romantic.
Exactly. Anyone can be a crackhead. It takes determination and effort to drop mescaline regularly.
So after trying real sugar Dr. Pepper at PAX I bought a 12 back when I got home. Because holy shit it is so good. But man I am drinking them way to fast. Gonna make me fat.
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it does strike me that your position requires taking the whole morass of human motivations and the actual effect/ intended effect of drugs or medication as well as social standards and moral frameworks, and then standing back about ten miles and kind of squinting at the whole mess and drawing parallels/ forming theories.
it's the same sort of thing i sense from objectivists who want to reduce ethical frameworks to simple systems of excange and "voluntary/ involuntary altruism." this is to say that i think it's probably a philosophically consistent system, but requires overlooking a lot of important and socially useful distinctions.
Um, quite the opposite actually. I'm saying that the decision whether to take a particular chemical is extremely contextual, taking into account the chemical, the individual, his immediate and long-term circumstances, his expectations, and the expectations upon him.
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drunks are way more dangerous, it's true
i've never seen a really belligerent pothead. inattentive, sure, but drunks are inattentive as well.
i just find the kind of social interactions that people high on pot have to be personally unpleasant.
I've never been in a fight at all.
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My entire point is that pot is not "worse" than alcohol by any conceivable standard you choose to examine: it is safer, it is less addictive, it is healthier, it doesn't make people act like douchebags or do things they regret, etc. So for someone who regularly binges on alcohol to look down on a pothead is hypocritical, yeah. It is perfectly fine to not wish to associate with potheads just as it is perfectly fine to not wish to associate with alcoholics. But my point is something being legal does not make it safer or healthier, and those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
For someone who does neither to look down on both is I guess unfortunately judgmental, but doesn't make them a hypocrite.
Sounds like I gotta get you drunk and then hit you with some dandelions.
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I'm glad my wife came around to pull me out of that.
edit: if pot were legal though, I'd probably try it from time to time, especially in lieu of drinking.
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Oh, I've been in fights, when I was younger. But, there were never any substances involved.
yeah I would definitely say potheads are probably one of the better people to be around if you have to be sober and around intoxicated people
that being said I vastly prefer alcohol
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Drunk people are at least interesting when sober, but sometimes they get crazy.
Stoned people are painfully boring to be around when sober.
Playing it in 3D on a massive tv was pretty awesome though.
Yeah, being a psychedelic that's virtually unknown outside of an extremely small and insular subculture of people who have the means and desire to seek it out, it does seem kind of romantic.
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I accidently shit my pants do I clean up or get high?
*toke*
my chest x-ray was fine, my bloodwork was fine (still no HIV or syphillus, yay!) and my cholesterol levels were perfect
woot being young
i guess what i'm suggesting is that there are reasonable standards besides how dangerous or harmful a drug is.
Hey, that's a good old-timey drug. Though it's more the kind of thing that a bespectacled quack would prescribe to Bette Davis while she had a breakdown.
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Seriously, TM, you could log in as me and post exactly the same stuff you already do, and it would be fine.
Also can you guys imagine talking to Humphrey Bogart on mescaline? Wow.
Alcohol is much more fun when dealing with larger groups of people, whereas with smaller groups other activities can be more fun.
Or both.
isn't it another word for opium
and isn't opium baaaad shit
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Right now we're having a break in my soci class.
I think we should all take your approach
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It was fucking hilarious at the time and my friend and I couldn't stop laughing for like 10 minutes.
Then again, I have recently (this summer) biked into a tree whilst drunk sustaining mild injuries and providing with another hilarious story.
Such as?
yeah this is kind of my take on it
probably the only way to enjoy the company of potheads is to be high yourself
and because i don't smoke weed, i guess i'm not afforded that opportunity!
Exactly. Anyone can be a crackhead. It takes determination and effort to drop mescaline regularly.
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that would be called a DUI here in the states
It does contain a few chemicals that can act as potent psychedelics.
Of course, it also contains alkaloids that will make you wish your stomach would just go ahead and bleed out your naval already, so...
whether you find their effects or their associated subcultures socially unpleasant?
Um, quite the opposite actually. I'm saying that the decision whether to take a particular chemical is extremely contextual, taking into account the chemical, the individual, his immediate and long-term circumstances, his expectations, and the expectations upon him.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.