I think Wrex is actually less functionally retarded than most in that he assumes Shepard will be able to keep the Reapers from getting to the Citadel at all.
I think Wrex is actually less functionally retarded than most in that he assumes Shepard will be able to keep the Reapers from getting to the Citadel at all.
Even if he's wrong, it's a pretty safe bet.
did you just say that it is retarded to help Shepard
I think Wrex is actually less functionally retarded than most in that he assumes Shepard will be able to keep the Reapers from getting to the Citadel at all.
Even if he's wrong, it's a pretty safe bet.
did you just say that it is retarded to help Shepard
Wrex does anything you ask him to do short of leaving Tuchanka.
If Wrex assumes he can do more good by wrangling the krogan than by shooting things with his rifle, hey, who's anyone to argue? Shepard clearly agrees, otherwise she'd argue.
I think Wrex is actually less functionally retarded than most in that he assumes Shepard will be able to keep the Reapers from getting to the Citadel at all.
Even if he's wrong, it's a pretty safe bet.
did you just say that it is retarded to help Shepard
Wrex is changing nothing, his rule relies entirely on force instead of mutual understanding. He's just a particularly strong warlord. Now, if he was smart, he'd realize that the reapers are just the kind of big enemy that would unite the krogan clans. But he doesn't mention the reapers at all.
I think it is pretty functionally retarded for any of Shepard's allies to say "eh, Shepard can handle it anyway, so I won't help out."
no, he's done several things to unite the clans, such as arranging meetings where krogan of multiple clans can meet and trade and exchange women and stuff
The female clans thing was a development of his, right?
And spending tech resources on agriculture.
And consolidating clans.
Wrex is actually quite the reformer considering the species we're talking about has been killing each other pretty much nonstop since before they industrialized.
Urdnot camp, the capital of his rule, is the same shithole it is if Wreave is in charge. The krogan are too dumb to understand what's killing their own race, which is why Wrex has to force everything and if he left for a day it would all fall apart. What's going to happen when he dies?
The krogan have had centuries to figure this stuff out, they should go extinct in a suicidal stand against the reapers.
Urdnot camp, the capital of his rule, is the same shithole it is if Wreave is in charge. The krogan are too dumb to understand what's killing their own race, which is why Wrex has to force everything and if he left for a day it would all fall apart. What's going to happen when he dies?
The krogan have had centuries to figure this stuff out, they should go extinct in a suicidal stand against the reapers.
Just because you can't see any visual difference in the few hundred square meters of Tuchanka that you actually get to visit doesn't mean the Krogan aren't stronger under Wrex than under Wreave.
Urdnot camp, the capital of his rule, is the same shithole it is if Wreave is in charge. The krogan are too dumb to understand what's killing their own race, which is why Wrex has to force everything and if he left for a day it would all fall apart. What's going to happen when he dies?
The krogan have had centuries to figure this stuff out, they should go extinct in a suicidal stand against the reapers.
Just because you can't see any visual difference in the few hundred square meters of Tuchanka that you actually get to visit doesn't mean the Krogan aren't stronger under Wrex than under Wreave.
If there is any difference anywhere it ought to be visible where the king lives
But as far as krogan support against the reapers goes, Wrex and Wreav serve the same purpose. It's all about their future afterwards, and they are big jerks who can go die. Except Grunt, he's a true krogan.
If there is any difference anywhere it ought to be visible where the king lives
But as far as krogan support against the reapers goes, Wrex and Wreav serve the same purpose. It's all about their future afterwards, and they are big jerks who can go die. Except Grunt, he's a true krogan.
This shit is why I keep thinking that you're speaking in-character.
Wrex and Wreav have two very different approaches to keeping the clans in line, though it can be argued that they are both attempting to align where at all possible.
1. Wreav does not align with all clans. As a traditionalist, Wreav only "aligns" with clans that have roughly the same level of strength as Urdnot, which as of ME2 is basically just Gatatog. When you kill off Uvenk, you upset the power balance and Wreav is no longer aligned with any clan. Alliances with Urdnot under Wreav have nothing to do with common enemies and everything to do with krogan pissing matches.
2. Wrex strong-arms clans by leveraging females and forcing everyone to get along. Urdnot is all-inclusive, and the sharing of female clans has formed alliances in effect if not in name; everyone wants to protect everyone because it results in a mutually beneficial relationship. The only cases where this isn't true are traditionalist clans that won't ally themselves with Urdnot, which Wrex usually lets self-correct in that grunt-level krogan tend to want survival and will murder their leaders.
You think Wreav is going to lead an army of krogan to war agianst the Reapers? No. Only silly geese would expect that after actually talking to the guy.
I would venture to say getting other clans to not blow up your house would be a slightly higher priority than making your house slightly less shitty.
But hey, I'm just full of radical ideas tonight, don't mind me
i bet you're the kind of person who wears a helmet and spends resources on armor upgrades instead of dermal regeneration
Oh man, you're good. But I honestly fail to see what your point is. At least Wrex is trying to change the way the clans interact, with the eventual goal of a unified krogan government. With Wreav, its just the same ol' shit, that will eventually destroy the krogan for good. In that context, I guess thats why you like Wreav more, isn't it.
Why wouldn't Wreav fight the reapers? Isn't that what krogan do? Get together and fight big enemies that threaten the galaxy? Worked for the rachni.
That Wrex must strong-arm clans is the fundamental problem with the krogan. You see two clans that don't like Urdnot, which Shepard destroys for him, but not any that love what Wrex is doing. In fact, the people of Urdnot seem to begrudgingly accept his change because he's super-strong. If Wrex leaves, it all falls apart. He literally doesn't have a single person to trust that understands his ideas and can enforce them.
I claim Wrex's Tuchanka is shittier because he's such a disappointment. I expected him to rally the krogan against the reapers, but he's barely concerned with them.
I would venture to say getting other clans to not blow up your house would be a slightly higher priority than making your house slightly less shitty.
But hey, I'm just full of radical ideas tonight, don't mind me
i bet you're the kind of person who wears a helmet and spends resources on armor upgrades instead of dermal regeneration
Oh man, you're good. But I honestly fail to see what your point is. At least Wrex is trying to change the way the clans interact, with the eventual goal of a unified krogan government. With Wreav, its just the same ol' shit, that will eventually destroy the krogan for good. In that context, I guess thats why you like Wreav more, isn't it.
To be fair, -Tal has made clear he generally doesn't want other species around.
The whole "Reaper threat" only counts when it can be used to justify Cerberus' hilarious incompetence or hilarious extermination of human colonists. You know, yoomanity stuff.
Why wouldn't Wreav fight the reapers? Isn't that what krogan do? Get together and fight big enemies that threaten the galaxy? Worked for the rachni.
That Wrex must strong-arm clans is the fundamental problem with the krogan. You see two clans that don't like Urdnot, which Shepard destroys for him, but not any that love what Wrex is doing. In fact, the people of Urdnot seem to begrudgingly accept his change because he's super-strong. If Wrex leaves, it all falls apart. He literally doesn't have a single person to trust that understands his ideas and can enforce them.
I claim Wrex's Tuchanka is shittier because he's such a disappointment. I expected him to rally the krogan against the reapers, but he's barely concerned with them.
No, it's not just some instinct that they have, which Wreav clarifies on when you talk to him. They went after the rachni because the salarians threw them directly in the rachni's way, and they responded with war. They won't have a chance to retaliate when the Reapers arrive, and Wreav won't be able to unite them. He has no intentions of uniting them. He doesn't even believe the Reapers exist.
Wreav will not lead the krogan against the Reapers. The Reapers would find him on his mudball in a pissing match, and all the krogan would go extinct without a fight.
Wrex dying wouldn't actually affect too much, if he's allowed to work for much longer. In the space of a year he's gone form how htings operated under Wreav to placing the primary source of power in the hands of the female clans, against whom even he can't act. What you're seeing is a transitional phase of krogan society where the power base begins to shift, eventually leading to a single unified structure. Wrex has accomplished all of that in a year. Expecting a cultural revolution to have completely convinced two billion people who live for centuries for the sole purpose of killing each other is not reasonable, not within a year. But Wrex is making it happen, by force and by trickery and by cajoling.
Your disappointment is baseless, groundless, and meaningless.
Wrex doesn't have much longer. The reapers are coming now, and he should have had his shit together last year. Wrex and Wreav are on the same level of anti-reaper defense. Nobody believes in the reapers, but supposedly in ME3 we'll find a way to convince people, including Wreav. Wrex already knows, but he apparently doesn't think it's a very important priority. That's disappointing.
Wrex doesn't have much longer. The reapers are coming now, and he should have had his shit together last year. Wrex and Wreav are on the same level of anti-reaper defense. Nobody believes in the reapers, but supposedly in ME3 we'll find a way to convince people, including Wreav. Wrex already knows, but he apparently doesn't think it's a very important priority. That's disappointing.
We have no particular indication that the Reapers are coming right now - if anything, we have indicators to just the opposite. They're still trying to find a way into the galaxy.
Wrex couldn't conceivably convince the krogan that the Reapers exist, and syaing that sort of thing would undermine his authority by making him look like a crazy person. The only way he can send the krogan against the Reapers is by uniting them first.
The only thing that's going to convince Wreav that the Reapers are real is being eaten by one.
If you think Wreav is going to help you, you are going to be one sad little kid on Christmas morning in 2187.
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Many people have already been eaten by a reaper and still nobody believes it. I'd like to think krogan wouldn't call Sovereign a geth ship, but they are pretty dumb. Shepard just needs to hand Wrex some of her reaper evidence, and then the krogan have a challenging enemy to honorably fight against. Maybe Wrex is worried that the losses will kill off the krogan for good? Because they totally will.
Many people have already been eaten by a reaper and still nobody believes it. I'd like to think krogan wouldn't call Sovereign a geth ship, but they are pretty dumb. Shepard just needs to hand Wrex some of her reaper evidence, and then the krogan have a challenging enemy to honorably fight against. Maybe Wrex is worried that the losses will kill off the krogan for good? Because they totally will.
The Reaper evidence that isn't actually Reaper evidence at all?
A reaper attacking the citadel is pretty big evidence, just that the council is dumb and also stupid
but anyway in ME3 Shepard is going to finally start recording on the omni-tool, right
right
Thing is that "Reaper" was just a Geth Dreadnought.
That humanoid robot in the Collector base...
Obviously, Saren's charisma was so great that the Geth decided to build a monument to organics. And what better a blueprint than of the one who slaughtered thousands of them.
A reaper attacking the citadel is pretty big evidence, just that the council is dumb and also stupid
but anyway in ME3 Shepard is going to finally start recording on the omni-tool, right
right
Thing is that "Reaper" was just a Geth Dreadnought.
That humanoid robot in the Collector base...
Obviously, Saren's charisma was so great that the Geth decided to build a monument to organics. And what better a blueprint than of the one who slaughtered thousands of them.
And the one stray runtime managed to beat it's way to the top to give it three eyes.
It's also really sad I could see the Council using that as a way to brush off a Reaper made from people squezins' and old space trash. I really think that's the true value of the Collector Base, you kidnap the entire council and drag them out there to see the damn thing with their own eyes. And then if that Turian disagrees you kick him into a black hole.
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when in his conversation did Mr. Fancy Pants even make an offhand reference to preparing for the reapers
It will finally replace Two and a half man in the timeslot.
Even if he's wrong, it's a pretty safe bet.
did you just say that it is retarded to help Shepard
Wrex does anything you ask him to do short of leaving Tuchanka.
If Wrex assumes he can do more good by wrangling the krogan than by shooting things with his rifle, hey, who's anyone to argue? Shepard clearly agrees, otherwise she'd argue.
Another way to beat the reapers:
Loading Two and a half man in an endless loop up into their whatever they have. (Yes, I know. It's fuckin' Mass Effect)
Though, that would be pretty evil....
-Tal can't read.
Cultural evolution.
Isn't that, like, the first step in preparing the Krogan to fight the Reapers?
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
I think it is pretty functionally retarded for any of Shepard's allies to say "eh, Shepard can handle it anyway, so I won't help out."
And spending tech resources on agriculture.
And consolidating clans.
Wrex is actually quite the reformer considering the species we're talking about has been killing each other pretty much nonstop since before they industrialized.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
The krogan have had centuries to figure this stuff out, they should go extinct in a suicidal stand against the reapers.
Just because you can't see any visual difference in the few hundred square meters of Tuchanka that you actually get to visit doesn't mean the Krogan aren't stronger under Wrex than under Wreave.
I'll send you there with a script about how you are terrible when it comes to having Mass Effect opinions
I swear I'll do it
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Okay maybe not, but I bingo'd six times in the last page. The card caught fire, I burned my hand, I'm charging you for the aloe vera
If there is any difference anywhere it ought to be visible where the king lives
But as far as krogan support against the reapers goes, Wrex and Wreav serve the same purpose. It's all about their future afterwards, and they are big jerks who can go die. Except Grunt, he's a true krogan.
But hey, I'm just full of radical ideas tonight, don't mind me
i bet you're the kind of person who wears a helmet and spends resources on armor upgrades instead of dermal regeneration
This shit is why I keep thinking that you're speaking in-character.
Wrex and Wreav have two very different approaches to keeping the clans in line, though it can be argued that they are both attempting to align where at all possible.
1. Wreav does not align with all clans. As a traditionalist, Wreav only "aligns" with clans that have roughly the same level of strength as Urdnot, which as of ME2 is basically just Gatatog. When you kill off Uvenk, you upset the power balance and Wreav is no longer aligned with any clan. Alliances with Urdnot under Wreav have nothing to do with common enemies and everything to do with krogan pissing matches.
2. Wrex strong-arms clans by leveraging females and forcing everyone to get along. Urdnot is all-inclusive, and the sharing of female clans has formed alliances in effect if not in name; everyone wants to protect everyone because it results in a mutually beneficial relationship. The only cases where this isn't true are traditionalist clans that won't ally themselves with Urdnot, which Wrex usually lets self-correct in that grunt-level krogan tend to want survival and will murder their leaders.
You think Wreav is going to lead an army of krogan to war agianst the Reapers? No. Only silly geese would expect that after actually talking to the guy.
Oh man, you're good. But I honestly fail to see what your point is. At least Wrex is trying to change the way the clans interact, with the eventual goal of a unified krogan government. With Wreav, its just the same ol' shit, that will eventually destroy the krogan for good. In that context, I guess thats why you like Wreav more, isn't it.
That Wrex must strong-arm clans is the fundamental problem with the krogan. You see two clans that don't like Urdnot, which Shepard destroys for him, but not any that love what Wrex is doing. In fact, the people of Urdnot seem to begrudgingly accept his change because he's super-strong. If Wrex leaves, it all falls apart. He literally doesn't have a single person to trust that understands his ideas and can enforce them.
I claim Wrex's Tuchanka is shittier because he's such a disappointment. I expected him to rally the krogan against the reapers, but he's barely concerned with them.
To be fair, -Tal has made clear he generally doesn't want other species around.
The whole "Reaper threat" only counts when it can be used to justify Cerberus' hilarious incompetence or hilarious extermination of human colonists. You know, yoomanity stuff.
"GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN WOMAN!"
No, it's not just some instinct that they have, which Wreav clarifies on when you talk to him. They went after the rachni because the salarians threw them directly in the rachni's way, and they responded with war. They won't have a chance to retaliate when the Reapers arrive, and Wreav won't be able to unite them. He has no intentions of uniting them. He doesn't even believe the Reapers exist.
Wreav will not lead the krogan against the Reapers. The Reapers would find him on his mudball in a pissing match, and all the krogan would go extinct without a fight.
Wrex dying wouldn't actually affect too much, if he's allowed to work for much longer. In the space of a year he's gone form how htings operated under Wreav to placing the primary source of power in the hands of the female clans, against whom even he can't act. What you're seeing is a transitional phase of krogan society where the power base begins to shift, eventually leading to a single unified structure. Wrex has accomplished all of that in a year. Expecting a cultural revolution to have completely convinced two billion people who live for centuries for the sole purpose of killing each other is not reasonable, not within a year. But Wrex is making it happen, by force and by trickery and by cajoling.
Your disappointment is baseless, groundless, and meaningless.
We have no particular indication that the Reapers are coming right now - if anything, we have indicators to just the opposite. They're still trying to find a way into the galaxy.
Wrex couldn't conceivably convince the krogan that the Reapers exist, and syaing that sort of thing would undermine his authority by making him look like a crazy person. The only way he can send the krogan against the Reapers is by uniting them first.
The only thing that's going to convince Wreav that the Reapers are real is being eaten by one.
If you think Wreav is going to help you, you are going to be one sad little kid on Christmas morning in 2187.
Seriously, I need a few more bingo squares
The Reaper evidence that isn't actually Reaper evidence at all?
That Reaper evidence?
Man, why didn't Shepard think of that!
I am this close to getting a themed duffle bag and pair of beer cozies. The trick is to cash in all your points at once.
but anyway in ME3 Shepard is going to finally start recording on the omni-tool, right
right
Thing is that "Reaper" was just a Geth Dreadnought.
Obviously, Saren's charisma was so great that the Geth decided to build a monument to organics. And what better a blueprint than of the one who slaughtered thousands of them.
And the one stray runtime managed to beat it's way to the top to give it three eyes.
It's also really sad I could see the Council using that as a way to brush off a Reaper made from people squezins' and old space trash. I really think that's the true value of the Collector Base, you kidnap the entire council and drag them out there to see the damn thing with their own eyes. And then if that Turian disagrees you kick him into a black hole.