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My ISP ping is horrid

SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG!Registered User regular
edited September 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
So here, have a gander at a tracert to google.com

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This is just horrible for gaming, getting 500+ ping to popular game servers really pisses me off. If I call my ISP, tech support pretty much consists of teenage girls that follow a diagram on screen, telling me to unplug my modem and delete my cookies.

Something that bothers me the most is that one day I'll be doing 70ms, then the next day it's 500ms. Or 300ms, and then back to 50ms, and so on. But 75% of the time it's above 250ms.

What can you deduct from that tracert? What can I use there as information to give to my ISP, I plan on calling them and requesting to speak to someone higher up, or at least someone who knows what the hell I'm talking about.

My service is cable based, so another option is reporting bad service and once the guy comes on over, what can I tell him to do to get this fixed?

I only have 2 ISPs available, and the other option is 1mb DSL with a 128kb/s upload rate, for the same price I currently get 2mb/768kb.

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Ok, doing some Googling, I've found this:

    The Upstream Channel ID is the channel (or frequency) that your modem locks onto to transfer information back to your ISP. If many people in your area are using the same Upstream Channel ID, your bandwidth will be limited and response times increased (such as 200ms pings on game servers).

    Now, the problem is that my cablemodem is a Scientific Atlanta DPC2203, which my ISP seems to have modified in a way that I can't access it. I've found several sites stating that default user/pass combination is admin/W2402, however trying this just gives me a:

    Error converting one or more entries:

    Password confirmation failure

    Invalid characters in the password. Only letters and digits are allowed


    ...which doesn't make sense. I can't seem to find the original firmware for download. I'd love to find a custom firmware of course. Any help finding this?

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  • ZeonZeon Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Thats probably not the issue. Looks like your ISP has a bad route to google (or maybe the internet in general). Youre timing out to a server in the middle, neither your ISP nor google. Not much you can do on your end to fix this. You ISP needs to contact the people who own that peer.

    That also seems like an assload of hops to get to google...

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Zeon wrote: »
    Thats probably not the issue. Looks like your ISP has a bad route to google (or maybe the internet in general). Youre timing out to a server in the middle, neither your ISP nor google. Not much you can do on your end to fix this. You ISP needs to contact the people who own that peer.

    That also seems like an assload of hops to get to google...

    His first three hops are internal ones. The 4th one has horrible ping rates and is the first one hitting the ISP.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Ask to be escalated when you talk to Tech Support. Also, do you have another computer around that you could try a tracert? I'm just wondering if something is up with your computer.

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    After intense research on my cablemodem, flashing is not an option, specially since it seems to be controlled remotely by my ISP.

    1st hop is to my router, 4th hop is my ISP indeed, the first other 2 are also related to my ISP. I'm at school right now, but I did run this program called Pingtracer or something like that, and after about an hour running, nothing changed, the timed out hop remained unreachable the whole time.

    I'll do this on another computer, but this has been happening for some time, I just formatted my computer about a month ago, and nothing changed. What really bothers me is how some days I get 70ms and then it's total crap the other days.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    The only reason I suggested that is that it could possibly be your NIC that is sending out bad packets or something. This way you can be 100% it's not your fault in any way.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    ICMP packets are sometimes shaped differently than actual data protocols like TCP/UDP data. So, your ping may be sometimes higher than your actual "connection" to the server.

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  • ZeonZeon Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Zeon wrote: »
    Thats probably not the issue. Looks like your ISP has a bad route to google (or maybe the internet in general). Youre timing out to a server in the middle, neither your ISP nor google. Not much you can do on your end to fix this. You ISP needs to contact the people who own that peer.

    That also seems like an assload of hops to get to google...

    His first three hops are internal ones. The 4th one has horrible ping rates and is the first one hitting the ISP.

    The first hop is the only one actually in his network though. The other 2 are his ISP. So theres not really much he can do in this regard, he needs to get his ISP to acknowledge there is a problem.

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Zeon wrote: »
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Zeon wrote: »
    Thats probably not the issue. Looks like your ISP has a bad route to google (or maybe the internet in general). Youre timing out to a server in the middle, neither your ISP nor google. Not much you can do on your end to fix this. You ISP needs to contact the people who own that peer.

    That also seems like an assload of hops to get to google...

    His first three hops are internal ones. The 4th one has horrible ping rates and is the first one hitting the ISP.

    The first hop is the only one actually in his network though. The other 2 are his ISP. So theres not really much he can do in this regard, he needs to get his ISP to acknowledge there is a problem.

    The first hop that is an issue, ie the fourth one, is his ISP though. Saying its neither his ISP or google, is incorrect.

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  • ZeonZeon Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Oh yeah, woops. Forgot i said that.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Also. Like I said, make sure that your actual use lags. For all we know ICMP requests get delayed because of a fault firewall rule or something. But the actual TCP stream suffers from no lag.

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  • AtomBombAtomBomb Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I'm getting better pings to those places than you are, and I'm not even in Mexico. I'm on Cox FIOS in Tucson, AZ.

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    The sudden jump right after leaving the private network is pretty suspicious.

    Is 200.52.192.247 your ip address as advertised to the world?

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  • KrikeeKrikee Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    End wrote: »
    The sudden jump right after leaving the private network is pretty suspicious.

    Is 200.52.192.247 your ip address as advertised to the world?
    This. If your 4th hop is your ISP then it could be a cable modem problem. It's not hard to google "cable modem signal levels" and get to your modems webpage to determine if there is a problem. If your 2nd hop is your ISP then good luck explaining BGP to tech support (don't get off the phone & continue to escalate & ask for a manager until someone knows what they're talking about). Also, Bowen could be right about ICMP (PING) requests being delayed because someone bozod a traffic rule.

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I'm using a D-Link DIR600 router, with DDWRT firmware.

    My actual ping does suffer, when playing Bad Company 2 I'd just get unplayable lag. And as I mentioned, some days I get perfectly fine sub 70ms ping, so it shouldn't be an exception in my router preventing ICMP pings some days and allowing them others, just because.

    Do games that report ping use ICMP requests to report this? ARMA2 also gives me 500 or so ping.

    Megared is my ISP, so yeah my 4th hop is my ISP. I think Bestel is also related to my ISP, I don't know much about them other than it's a huge "communications operator" here in Mexico. They probably lease their infrastructure to my ISP or something.

    This is the only information I can see for my cablemodem.
    cabamodem.jpg

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Sat I'd probably blank out the IP addresses in your screenshot in the OP, since one of them is yours.

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  • Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2010
    I had pretty much the same problem with Sudden Link, who are actually pretty good for an ISP. What ended up happening was me and about a dozen other people would call every day, they kept telling me that there is nothing they can do but after a month the problem went away.

    I had a similar problem that was more rare which they never were able to fix, there just seems to be something wrong with the way ISPs connect it all.

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    urahonky wrote: »
    Sat I'd probably blank out the IP addresses in your screenshot in the OP, since one of them is yours.

    whatismyip.com gives me another address, not listed there in the OP, starts with 200.77.xxx.xxx so I suppose I shouldn't worry?

    10.71.0.1 and 10.0.56.61 are internal router addresses, or that's what I could gather from Google.

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Your receive power level is slightly high, supposed to be between -1 and 1, but still not bad, other then that the signals you can see look fine. Now does your dlink router plug directly into your cable modem, and computer hooking up directly, either through cat5 or wireless, to the dlink router?

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Cablemodem is one of those Voip things, my phone is also connected, not wireless.

    Router connects directly to router with RJ45, and my computer connects via wireless. Get 5 bars constantly.

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I'm mainly trying to figure out your 2nd and 3rd hops. Since they're internal IPs, albeit ones commonly used professionally, so it'd be odd for the hops to occur before you hitting your ISP.

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    I'm mainly trying to figure out your 2nd and 3rd hops. Since they're internal IPs, albeit ones commonly used professionally, so it'd be odd for the hops to occur before you hitting your ISP.

    Yeah, there's definitely this.

    I would normally doubt it, but I'm slightly concerned they might be introducing multiple levels of nat to share single IP addresses with multiple customers, which would be bad...

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Sat I'd probably blank out the IP addresses in your screenshot in the OP, since one of them is yours.

    whatismyip.com gives me another address, not listed there in the OP, starts with 200.77.xxx.xxx so I suppose I shouldn't worry?

    10.71.0.1 and 10.0.56.61 are internal router addresses, or that's what I could gather from Google.

    Yeah I think you'll be alright then. I always thought it showed your IP through tracert.

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    End wrote: »
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    I'm mainly trying to figure out your 2nd and 3rd hops. Since they're internal IPs, albeit ones commonly used professionally, so it'd be odd for the hops to occur before you hitting your ISP.

    Yeah, there's definitely this.

    I would normally doubt it, but I'm slightly concerned they might be introducing multiple levels of nat to share single IP addresses with multiple customers, which would be bad...

    Yeah I doubt its the only issue, but its an issue that makes me go o_O
    urahonky wrote: »
    Yeah I think you'll be alright then. I always thought it showed your IP through tracert.

    Nope first hop is literally the first place you go from your computer, usually not counting your modem though.

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