TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited November 2010
But he had a book with all his photographs of Spider-Man published! He went around the country promoting it, running into that guy in Kansas who was bitten by a radioactive rabbit, giving him super speed and jumping ability.
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Linespider5ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGERRegistered Userregular
edited November 2010
Ok, I got a bitch right here:
Knight and Squire #2: The second page in the comic, like, after you turn the first page, it's the fucking preview image.
They put the shittastic, low-res preview image that's reserved for being subquality online, in the fucking comic, Jim.
I actually thought, 'Maybe this is a stylistic choice' when my eye hit the first panel. 'Maybe there's a reason the organ grinder monkey is a quarter resolution in this particular panel.' But then it hit me that the whole page, they did this thing.
The story seems great, but I couldn't bring myself to buy it. The story's already hiding in a field of fucking ads. Just...no. I'm sure it's awesome, but, this is tantamount to trying to sabotage this series before it's off the ground in my eyes.
And when it's not the writer's fault, or the artist's fault, or anyone actually skilled involved in the process, and this hurts them and the future of their product, I grow fucking eyes of Sauron and get my hate on.
Not that it'd ever happen, but I want DC to do a recall and get buyers a proper single. Shit like this only makes the case for trade waiting even easier.
my LCS had a shipping error so i wont get the first ish of big time until this wed. im sad. heard it was great though.
and i want to bitch at myself for dropping red robin and birds of prey, but i cant afford all the books i used to get.
and furu, a dollar extra an issue ends up being a lot of money. thats probably an extra 4 or 5 bucks a week, which is an extra 250 bucks a year. thats kind of a lot.
But he had a book with all his photographs of Spider-Man published! He went around the country promoting it, running into that guy in Kansas who was bitten by a radioactive rabbit, giving him super speed and jumping ability.
Thats crazy talk. If he had a highly successful book deal where he toured thecountry and was highly promoted, hed be making some money and royalties off it and would get higher pay rates instead of $50 a photo at the DB and wouldnt be a complete bum mooching off strangers and family up until getting this new job. Like I said, crazy talk.
But he had a book with all his photographs of Spider-Man published! He went around the country promoting it, running into that guy in Kansas who was bitten by a radioactive rabbit, giving him super speed and jumping ability.
Thats crazy talk. If he had a highly successful book deal where he toured thecountry and was highly promoted, hed be making some money and royalties off it and would get higher pay rates instead of $50 a photo at the DB and wouldnt be a complete bum mooching off strangers and family up until getting this new job. Like I said, crazy talk.
........they really did throw this under the rug after Michiline and McFarlane's ASM run (or was it even Michiline who threw it under the rug?).
Knight and Squire #2: The second page in the comic, like, after you turn the first page, it's the fucking preview image.
They put the shittastic, low-res preview image that's reserved for being subquality online, in the fucking comic, Jim.
I actually thought, 'Maybe this is a stylistic choice' when my eye hit the first panel. 'Maybe there's a reason the organ grinder monkey is a quarter resolution in this particular panel.' But then it hit me that the whole page, they did this thing.
The story seems great, but I couldn't bring myself to buy it. The story's already hiding in a field of fucking ads. Just...no. I'm sure it's awesome, but, this is tantamount to trying to sabotage this series before it's off the ground in my eyes.
And when it's not the writer's fault, or the artist's fault, or anyone actually skilled involved in the process, and this hurts them and the future of their product, I grow fucking eyes of Sauron and get my hate on.
Not that it'd ever happen, but I want DC to do a recall and get buyers a proper single. Shit like this only makes the case for trade waiting even easier.
Man, how dare they sabotage that book by making you decide not to buy it for reasons that have nothing to do with art or story quality.
Knight and Squire #2: The second page in the comic, like, after you turn the first page, it's the fucking preview image.
They put the shittastic, low-res preview image that's reserved for being subquality online, in the fucking comic, Jim.
I actually thought, 'Maybe this is a stylistic choice' when my eye hit the first panel. 'Maybe there's a reason the organ grinder monkey is a quarter resolution in this particular panel.' But then it hit me that the whole page, they did this thing.
The story seems great, but I couldn't bring myself to buy it. The story's already hiding in a field of fucking ads. Just...no. I'm sure it's awesome, but, this is tantamount to trying to sabotage this series before it's off the ground in my eyes.
And when it's not the writer's fault, or the artist's fault, or anyone actually skilled involved in the process, and this hurts them and the future of their product, I grow fucking eyes of Sauron and get my hate on.
Not that it'd ever happen, but I want DC to do a recall and get buyers a proper single. Shit like this only makes the case for trade waiting even easier.
Man, how dare they sabotage that book by making you decide not to buy it for reasons that have nothing to do with art or story quality.
Dastardly.
I think he has a point, there is a problem with the book which is not down to anyone actually involved in the creative process, and that works against the quality of the product, which is true. And the fact is that while you cane be forgiven for creative mistakes, in that you are actually creating a peace of art which is subject to taste etc, certain things should always be done right, such as the printing etc. If they aren't it's just unprofessional and sloppy, especially with a big company like DC. Maybe not sabotage, but certainly something which definately should not have been there.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited November 2010
Here's the thing about that K&S page:
The word balloons are actually nice and crisp on that page, but the art itself looks like someone took a raster image and increased it 300%, which makes it look rather crap. It had to have been someone at DC not paying attention to the file to send to the printer, or a colorist said "screw this" and drew bat-wangs everywhere on the page before he quit, making DC have to pull a clean page out of nowhere.
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Linespider5ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGERRegistered Userregular
edited November 2010
Yeah, the preview pages that they raster up always have the dialogue on a separate layer so that they can still be read easily.
I've always believed a comic should, through whatever means, be 'good' enough that you don't get reminded that it's a comic book while you're reading it. Because if you do, it's usually for a bad reason. Too many ads. Smeared pages. Pointless bonus material. Dialogue errors. Colouring errors. Printer fuckups. Staple issues. Etc.
It's like a movie that can't keep the spell or a tv show that never looks like it's actually happening, or a poorly recorded record being phoned in.
So I think you might imagine my disapproval when you have something that's actually quite good getting gut-fucked by the format and the pratfalls and careless mistakes symptomatic of the weaknesses of a medium. Again, it's not like DC will make a correction of any kind, or even cared to delay the issue to get it right. Maybe in the business sense of things it's irrelevant, or so minor as to be a negligible fuckup, and I suppose when Grant Morrison can be running on a hot ongoing series and they get the dialogue in the wrong bubbles for the wrong characters, no one is exempt or is getting special treatment.
But it would be really easy to be better than this, and the difference is dramatic in terms of how it effects the comic, for the reader, for the creators, and, in the long run, for the publisher too.
Okay so I read Millar's Ultimate Comics Avengers arc with Ghost Rider in it and holy shit was it bad. I really enjoyed his earlier run on The Ultimates and thought that the Red Skull arc was okay, but jesus.
I just really think deciding to not pick up a good book as a 15th-removed jab at the sloppy editing of the newest DC intern is kind of insane.
Yeah, to hell with that intern. That...guy who may not even exist, whose role can never be confirmed or denied. I'm sticking it to HIM.
Maybe, maybe, I just don't want to own sloppy books. I think it's funny I see so many posts about people having to reduce their pile for money concerns rather than any actual complaints about the material, but once I make a quantitive complaint that's definitively something that a) shouldn't be there, and b) would be easy to fix-I don't think anyone's in disagreement that this is the page they wanted in the book or adds to the story in any way-you find it strange that I can ding it. I may not have the best standards on all things, but I know what I want, and I know what I don't want, and I wouldn't accept this from any other title or any other medium.
And that's about all I've got to say on the matter.
Maybe after a day or two Marvel will change their minds, because this is even bigger than Waid (and then Wieringo) being booted off of FF.
bullshit
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited November 2010
hyperbole, Furu, hyperbole.
Although Langridge said he had the whole series could have been neatly tied up with issue #12 (and that means 2 nice trades/digests), at least give them that much time. It ends exactly when the movie comes out that way.
Yeah, the preview pages that they raster up always have the dialogue on a separate layer so that they can still be read easily.
I've always believed a comic should, through whatever means, be 'good' enough that you don't get reminded that it's a comic book while you're reading it. Because if you do, it's usually for a bad reason. Too many ads. Smeared pages. Pointless bonus material. Dialogue errors. Colouring errors. Printer fuckups. Staple issues. Etc.
It's like a movie that can't keep the spell or a tv show that never looks like it's actually happening, or a poorly recorded record being phoned in.
So I think you might imagine my disapproval when you have something that's actually quite good getting gut-fucked by the format and the pratfalls and careless mistakes symptomatic of the weaknesses of a medium. Again, it's not like DC will make a correction of any kind, or even cared to delay the issue to get it right. Maybe in the business sense of things it's irrelevant, or so minor as to be a negligible fuckup, and I suppose when Grant Morrison can be running on a hot ongoing series and they get the dialogue in the wrong bubbles for the wrong characters, no one is exempt or is getting special treatment.
But it would be really easy to be better than this, and the difference is dramatic in terms of how it effects the comic, for the reader, for the creators, and, in the long run, for the publisher too.
Another example of this in today's FLASH #6:
Manapul is doing incredible art on the title, and the fucking editor can't be bothered to proof the final product?
Yeah, the preview pages that they raster up always have the dialogue on a separate layer so that they can still be read easily.
I've always believed a comic should, through whatever means, be 'good' enough that you don't get reminded that it's a comic book while you're reading it. Because if you do, it's usually for a bad reason. Too many ads. Smeared pages. Pointless bonus material. Dialogue errors. Colouring errors. Printer fuckups. Staple issues. Etc.
It's like a movie that can't keep the spell or a tv show that never looks like it's actually happening, or a poorly recorded record being phoned in.
So I think you might imagine my disapproval when you have something that's actually quite good getting gut-fucked by the format and the pratfalls and careless mistakes symptomatic of the weaknesses of a medium. Again, it's not like DC will make a correction of any kind, or even cared to delay the issue to get it right. Maybe in the business sense of things it's irrelevant, or so minor as to be a negligible fuckup, and I suppose when Grant Morrison can be running on a hot ongoing series and they get the dialogue in the wrong bubbles for the wrong characters, no one is exempt or is getting special treatment.
But it would be really easy to be better than this, and the difference is dramatic in terms of how it effects the comic, for the reader, for the creators, and, in the long run, for the publisher too.
Another example of this in today's FLASH #6:
Manapul is doing incredible art on the title, and the fucking editor can't be bothered to proof the final product?
That's just bad. Is the editor looking at the PDFs at 20% and completely missing the black text? That's as Superman blaming everyone in a town for child abuse.
TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited November 2010
from a quick skim at the store:
Superman gets chewed out by the local town for being a walking weapon. It's the lady slapping Superman all over again.
He talks with Lois in a park about how they're not wrong in making that assumption. Lois and Clark cuddle in a motel, Clark has a nightmare about something.
The kid on the cover was going to make a big banner welcoming Superman because he'll help protect he and his mom from his dad. Dad destroys banner, beats the kid, mom doesn't do anything because she gets beat up too and is scared. Kid is thrown into the dark basement, about to get beat up when he starts screaming for Superman to help.
Superman, who just happens to be walking by his house, hears the kid, saves him, but we never seem him beat the shit out of the father (who's stereotypical blue collar abuser). Kid and Mom are at a hospital or shelter, Dad given to the authorities. Superman give the kid a card that either has Lois or Jimmy's number to call when he gets settled in to speak to Superman (this is actually a nice moment), and then Superman makes a comment to the people in the building that instead of reading the newspaper about Superman destroying a town they should give ten cents worth of sympathy and listen to what happens in their town, and something about the cops ignoring it too.
It's completely over the top, and Barrows really thinks middle America is stuck in the 80's with how he draws people.
TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited November 2010
I really enjoyed his Legion run with Shooter, because Shooter made him use panels wisely (going by interviews from both of them around this time Shooter knew he had the talent but he needed to go beyond his Witchblade layouts so he became his Mr. Miyagi).
And to bitch man did DC royally screw up the end of Shooter's run, just a complete dick move by DC. Way to ruin my Legion team, you jerks.
If I really stretch, I can see it being a metaphor for what's going on with the Thunderbolts as a whole. The idea behind the team is to change them on a fundamental level, and turn unrepentant villains into heroes. But sometimes that change doesn't work out for the best.
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Knight and Squire #2: The second page in the comic, like, after you turn the first page, it's the fucking preview image.
They put the shittastic, low-res preview image that's reserved for being subquality online, in the fucking comic, Jim.
I actually thought, 'Maybe this is a stylistic choice' when my eye hit the first panel. 'Maybe there's a reason the organ grinder monkey is a quarter resolution in this particular panel.' But then it hit me that the whole page, they did this thing.
The story seems great, but I couldn't bring myself to buy it. The story's already hiding in a field of fucking ads. Just...no. I'm sure it's awesome, but, this is tantamount to trying to sabotage this series before it's off the ground in my eyes.
And when it's not the writer's fault, or the artist's fault, or anyone actually skilled involved in the process, and this hurts them and the future of their product, I grow fucking eyes of Sauron and get my hate on.
Not that it'd ever happen, but I want DC to do a recall and get buyers a proper single. Shit like this only makes the case for trade waiting even easier.
and i want to bitch at myself for dropping red robin and birds of prey, but i cant afford all the books i used to get.
and furu, a dollar extra an issue ends up being a lot of money. thats probably an extra 4 or 5 bucks a week, which is an extra 250 bucks a year. thats kind of a lot.
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Thats crazy talk. If he had a highly successful book deal where he toured thecountry and was highly promoted, hed be making some money and royalties off it and would get higher pay rates instead of $50 a photo at the DB and wouldnt be a complete bum mooching off strangers and family up until getting this new job. Like I said, crazy talk.
........they really did throw this under the rug after Michiline and McFarlane's ASM run (or was it even Michiline who threw it under the rug?).
I think it's time for me to say goodbye to the Ultimate Universe, unfortunately. It's been fun, Spidey.
Actually, that's pretty tempting.
However, I need to kind of bring my books way, way down in time for summer. Otherwise I'd probably switch over.
Dastardly.
I think he has a point, there is a problem with the book which is not down to anyone actually involved in the creative process, and that works against the quality of the product, which is true. And the fact is that while you cane be forgiven for creative mistakes, in that you are actually creating a peace of art which is subject to taste etc, certain things should always be done right, such as the printing etc. If they aren't it's just unprofessional and sloppy, especially with a big company like DC. Maybe not sabotage, but certainly something which definately should not have been there.
The word balloons are actually nice and crisp on that page, but the art itself looks like someone took a raster image and increased it 300%, which makes it look rather crap. It had to have been someone at DC not paying attention to the file to send to the printer, or a colorist said "screw this" and drew bat-wangs everywhere on the page before he quit, making DC have to pull a clean page out of nowhere.
I've always believed a comic should, through whatever means, be 'good' enough that you don't get reminded that it's a comic book while you're reading it. Because if you do, it's usually for a bad reason. Too many ads. Smeared pages. Pointless bonus material. Dialogue errors. Colouring errors. Printer fuckups. Staple issues. Etc.
It's like a movie that can't keep the spell or a tv show that never looks like it's actually happening, or a poorly recorded record being phoned in.
So I think you might imagine my disapproval when you have something that's actually quite good getting gut-fucked by the format and the pratfalls and careless mistakes symptomatic of the weaknesses of a medium. Again, it's not like DC will make a correction of any kind, or even cared to delay the issue to get it right. Maybe in the business sense of things it's irrelevant, or so minor as to be a negligible fuckup, and I suppose when Grant Morrison can be running on a hot ongoing series and they get the dialogue in the wrong bubbles for the wrong characters, no one is exempt or is getting special treatment.
But it would be really easy to be better than this, and the difference is dramatic in terms of how it effects the comic, for the reader, for the creators, and, in the long run, for the publisher too.
give it a try, we've got plenty left
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Rarrggh I am so pissed about that. Best solo ongoing in years gets cancelled at eight issues. Goddamn it.
If Ultimate Spidey didn't already have solid artists I'd vote to put him on that book.
Yeah, to hell with that intern. That...guy who may not even exist, whose role can never be confirmed or denied. I'm sticking it to HIM.
Maybe, maybe, I just don't want to own sloppy books. I think it's funny I see so many posts about people having to reduce their pile for money concerns rather than any actual complaints about the material, but once I make a quantitive complaint that's definitively something that a) shouldn't be there, and b) would be easy to fix-I don't think anyone's in disagreement that this is the page they wanted in the book or adds to the story in any way-you find it strange that I can ding it. I may not have the best standards on all things, but I know what I want, and I know what I don't want, and I wouldn't accept this from any other title or any other medium.
And that's about all I've got to say on the matter.
but i am pissed cuz my lcs sold out of batman, inc and i forgot to put it on my pull.
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wait....
bullshit
Although Langridge said he had the whole series could have been neatly tied up with issue #12 (and that means 2 nice trades/digests), at least give them that much time. It ends exactly when the movie comes out that way.
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lookit that TPB shoot up the Amazon charts, let it be reborn!
Another example of this in today's FLASH #6:
Manapul is doing incredible art on the title, and the fucking editor can't be bothered to proof the final product?
That's just bad. Is the editor looking at the PDFs at 20% and completely missing the black text? That's as Superman blaming everyone in a town for child abuse.
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Seriously, is that what this week's issue is about?
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He talks with Lois in a park about how they're not wrong in making that assumption. Lois and Clark cuddle in a motel, Clark has a nightmare about something.
The kid on the cover was going to make a big banner welcoming Superman because he'll help protect he and his mom from his dad. Dad destroys banner, beats the kid, mom doesn't do anything because she gets beat up too and is scared. Kid is thrown into the dark basement, about to get beat up when he starts screaming for Superman to help.
Superman, who just happens to be walking by his house, hears the kid, saves him, but we never seem him beat the shit out of the father (who's stereotypical blue collar abuser). Kid and Mom are at a hospital or shelter, Dad given to the authorities. Superman give the kid a card that either has Lois or Jimmy's number to call when he gets settled in to speak to Superman (this is actually a nice moment), and then Superman makes a comment to the people in the building that instead of reading the newspaper about Superman destroying a town they should give ten cents worth of sympathy and listen to what happens in their town, and something about the cops ignoring it too.
It's completely over the top, and Barrows really thinks middle America is stuck in the 80's with how he draws people.
It takes a lot for me to hate a Superman comic but JMS pulled it off.
Embarrassing print error aside, the art in that panel J Kyle posted is so classic comics look done right.
What other good stuff has he drawn? Anything to look for first?
oh uh bitching thread, i'm bitching about not having any comics I really want come out for three weeks boo
He also did a Legion of Superheroes story with Jim Shooter, but he wasn't using his watercolor/inkwash style back then.
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His site seems cool as well: http://francismanapul.com/
And to bitch man did DC royally screw up the end of Shooter's run, just a complete dick move by DC. Way to ruin my Legion team, you jerks.
Overall the book was really good, but it ended on a real downer.
I mentioned that in the MOTW thread, it misses the whole point of the issue.
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It just seemed really mean.
Heck, I dunno.
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