Yeah, the Evo would still have been a good option a few months ago, but it's just a bit long in the tooth by now. Wait until some of the CES models make it out on to the streets.
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getting an evo right now is really silly. Besides the fact that the myTouch 4G is superior to the Evo(except for screen size), the fact is that there are a bunch of new phones that were just announced, if you really want to switch away from T-Mobile.
How do you figure? The only advantage I can tell looking at the spec sheet is a quarter gig of ram. The Evo, in addition to screen size, has a better camera. They both have a very similar Snapdragon processor (the mt4g is of course, a more recent model) but they're both of 1 ghz.
So...I feel like it's basically a crapshoot between the two. Plus, one of the phones is on realer 4g. I mean, it's both fake 4g, but one is faster.
getting an evo right now is really silly. Besides the fact that the myTouch 4G is superior to the Evo(except for screen size), the fact is that there are a bunch of new phones that were just announced, if you really want to switch away from T-Mobile.
How do you figure? The only advantage I can tell looking at the spec sheet is a quarter gig of ram. The Evo, in addition to screen size, has a better camera. They both have a very similar Snapdragon processor (the mt4g is of course, a more recent model) but they're both of 1 ghz.
So...I feel like it's basically a crapshoot between the two. Plus, one of the phones is on realer 4g. I mean, it's both fake 4g, but one is faster.
clockspeed is kind of irrelevant. the second generation snapdragon works more efficiently than the first due to improvements in the deisgn. Honestly, I'd put the processor in the G2 up against the first generation 1ghz snapdragon, for that matter.
Likewise, megapixels are kind of pointless, outside of digital zoom. 3.5mm film is equivalent to around 4 megapixels, give or take. The quality of the lens on the camera makes MUCH more of a difference than the megapixel number, as long as it is above 3.
Beyond just numbers, I can say that I own a mt4g, and three of my immediate family members have Evos, and there is a definitely performance advantage between my phone and theirs.
edit: as for one 4g being faster, which one are you claiming it to be? Are you going by telecom marketing, or by tests?
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ChaosHatHop, hop, hop, HA!Trick of the lightRegistered Userregular
getting an evo right now is really silly. Besides the fact that the myTouch 4G is superior to the Evo(except for screen size), the fact is that there are a bunch of new phones that were just announced, if you really want to switch away from T-Mobile.
How do you figure? The only advantage I can tell looking at the spec sheet is a quarter gig of ram. The Evo, in addition to screen size, has a better camera. They both have a very similar Snapdragon processor (the mt4g is of course, a more recent model) but they're both of 1 ghz.
So...I feel like it's basically a crapshoot between the two. Plus, one of the phones is on realer 4g. I mean, it's both fake 4g, but one is faster.
clockspeed is kind of irrelevant. the second generation snapdragon works more efficiently than the first due to improvements in the deisgn. Honestly, I'd put the processor in the G2 up against the first generation 1ghz snapdragon, for that matter.
Likewise, megapixels are kind of pointless, outside of digital zoom. 3.5mm film is equivalent to around 4 megapixels, give or take. The quality of the lens on the camera makes MUCH more of a difference than the megapixel number, as long as it is above 3.
Beyond just numbers, I can say that I own a mt4g, and three of my immediate family members have Evos, and there is a definitely performance advantage between my phone and theirs.
edit: as for one 4g being faster, which one are you claiming it to be? Are you going by telecom marketing, or by tests?
By the theoretical peak performance of WiMAX over HSPA+
getting an evo right now is really silly. Besides the fact that the myTouch 4G is superior to the Evo(except for screen size), the fact is that there are a bunch of new phones that were just announced, if you really want to switch away from T-Mobile.
How do you figure? The only advantage I can tell looking at the spec sheet is a quarter gig of ram. The Evo, in addition to screen size, has a better camera. They both have a very similar Snapdragon processor (the mt4g is of course, a more recent model) but they're both of 1 ghz.
So...I feel like it's basically a crapshoot between the two. Plus, one of the phones is on realer 4g. I mean, it's both fake 4g, but one is faster.
clockspeed is kind of irrelevant. the second generation snapdragon works more efficiently than the first due to improvements in the deisgn. Honestly, I'd put the processor in the G2 up against the first generation 1ghz snapdragon, for that matter.
Likewise, megapixels are kind of pointless, outside of digital zoom. 3.5mm film is equivalent to around 4 megapixels, give or take. The quality of the lens on the camera makes MUCH more of a difference than the megapixel number, as long as it is above 3.
Beyond just numbers, I can say that I own a mt4g, and three of my immediate family members have Evos, and there is a definitely performance advantage between my phone and theirs.
edit: as for one 4g being faster, which one are you claiming it to be? Are you going by telecom marketing, or by tests?
By the theoretical peak performance of WiMAX over HSPA+
theoretical peak is an absurd thing to judge based on, because you may well never reach it at all
NEITHER standard is really 4G, but both are pretty darn fast. One company charges extra for their fake 4G. One doesn't. THAT is worth considering.
Has Verizon announced if they'll be charging extra for LTE yet?
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edited January 2011
I'm pretty sure even with the 4G charge Sprint is the best deal in wireless. Unlimited mobile to mobile, data (and yes, UNLIMITED, no secret cap), messaging, roaming, etc. 400 minutes (but again, you only use minutes when dialing to a landline). 80 a month.
Well I got my game gripper in the mail yesterday and I've been putting it through the rounds. It's pretty awesome, and makes playing games on the android feel good.
The fact that it's been embraced by a few app developers as THE gamepad for the android is pretty awesome in and of itself. It's a shame that not all android phones have keypads though.
So really, the mistake was buying a branded, tainted handset!
My Milestone was bought unbranded and carrier free so it's not always the networks! Motorola have been promising Froyo since something like last May. Nowt yet...
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You really underestimate how much some manufacturers want you to not mess with stuff you've bought from them.
My personal campaign here is against Motorola who have encrypted the bootloader on all their phones since the Droid but I'm well aware there are some other pretty bad offenders in this realm.
I fully recommend anyone with even a semblance of geeky interests to make sure the Android phone they buy is rootable and the bootloader is unlockable.
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edited January 2011
My lesson with the Motorola Cliq?
Never buy another Motorola phone, ever. Even if they cure AIDS.
My Galaxy S is good, not the best specs but it's pretty.
I'm pretty sure even with the 4G charge Sprint is the best deal in wireless. Unlimited mobile to mobile, data (and yes, UNLIMITED, no secret cap), messaging, roaming, etc. 400 minutes (but again, you only use minutes when dialing to a landline). 80 a month.
And when they secretly double your bill one day without you signing anything, and you're stuck dealing with sprint's customer service?
They have good rate plans, yes. Ever wonder why they do such poor business despite the price? For T-Mobile the answer is easy: coverage. Sprint had good coverage too, though. The reason that sprints rate plans don't do them any favors in the market is because they have customer service people who seem to prefer that you just cancel, so they don't have to worry account how to fix what ever mistake the company made.
And don't fool yourself, EVERYONE has secret caps on data. Use enough data anywhere, and something will happen.
Verizon customer, can do the early upgrade 23 January, contract ends I believe April or May.
I am desperate to dump this POS Blackberry Storm and get a real smart phone. So, do I go for:
Verizon iPhone
HTC Thunderbolt
Droid Bionic
Droid X (immediate gratification)
Most important to me is a quick, easily editable UI and good, fast web browsing (things like Google Reader mostly). Secondary importance is a good set of apps. All other elements are of lesser concern.
Is Gingerbread going to be the shit UI-wise? Should I hold out on upgrading until something comes through stocking it?
I would personally wait on the HTC Thunderbolt, assuming it doesn't turn out to be terrible. I have a 4th gen iPod touch and an HTC Incredible, here's the differences:
iPod is better for browsing, very straight-forward UI, and has decent customization once jailbroken.
Android phones are much more customizable out of the box, but don't have as good of screen resolution. I prefer the UI on Android phones, but it definitely takes some getting used to.
Apps tend to show up first on iPhone, then later on Android marketplace.
I'd put it between Thunderbolt and Bionic (fuck instant gratification, you've waited this long already, don't go with old tech in your phone, just to be disappointed a month later.)
Personally, I have more faith in HTC, but Motorola isn't awful. Try to get hands on with each phone once they are released.
A couple days ago Launcher Pro started force closing on me, all the fucking time. On a non-rooted G2. Anyone having similar problems? There's no update available in the market or anything.
Grabbed a comic book viewer for my Droid X today, and holy crap do they look nice on the DX's screen. They're also surprisingly easy to read, which I was not expecting.
So, what are the benefits fo having a custom rom these days?
I'm debating rooting my mt4g, but I honestly don't see a pressing reason why. It's already plenty fast, and there is plenty of space to install apps without a full apps2sd thing running. Also, there's nothing I've heard of in Gingerbread yet that makes it worth rushing out for 2.3.
Are there any neat rooted-only features at the moment, or should I wait for the next phone version of Android OS to be dropped?
I'm a big fan of Cyanogen on my Droid 1 mostly because of the speed increase, but there is still plenty to do with root and custom roms otherwise.
The biggest thing for me is probably tweaking the UI. I'd have to sit down and note all the little things I like because at this point its the norm for me. Haven't been on stock android for like 9 months now. Don't ever really plan on going back, so long as CM support is still around.
I do it for significantly better battery life and a bunch of convenience-oriented UI features included in the custom ROM I run, like a customizable launcher buttons on Rosie (the sense UI launcher) and power strip controls in the notifications window. On the battery life front I haven't run stock for a while for comparative testing, but my phone seems to last around 30-40% longer on an day of average use. I can even sometimes forget to charge my phone overnight and still have it alive to wake me up in the morning. That's a pretty huge feat on the notoriously power sucking Evo.
I also make heavy use of root-only apps like Titanium Backup and ROM Manager, but those are more of features that are useful to facilitate doing root operations, not things that you would really need in user space.
Plus, even though none of the available custom ROMs are really ready for day-to-day use, I can put Gingerbread on my phone at a whim.
I've been thinking about trying out some custom roms, but I have a couple of questions.
I did a backup via ROM manager, but how simple is it to load all my apps back onto it once I'm running a custom rom? I assume I'll lose my icon and widget placements as well, is this correct?
With Titanium Backup, you can restore all of your apps pretty easily. Typically doing a backup/restore of apps is very easy if you are using a very similar ROM, and it gets trickier the more different your new ROM is.
For example, if I switch from a Sense UI ROM to another Sense UI Rom, then I can be pretty reasonably sure that I can just restore all of my app data and have everything work. If I did the same thing switching from Sense UI to AOSP, I would probably have to manually figure out what app data to restore, to ensure I didn't try to restore app data for some sort of HTC module which isn't there.
The launcher I use allows you to save/restore your icon/widget placement; if whatever launcher you use does the same then it should survive flashing a new custom ROM as long as you backup and restore the app data for your launcher.
So, what are the benefits fo having a custom rom these days?
I'm debating rooting my mt4g, but I honestly don't see a pressing reason why. It's already plenty fast, and there is plenty of space to install apps without a full apps2sd thing running. Also, there's nothing I've heard of in Gingerbread yet that makes it worth rushing out for 2.3.
Are there any neat rooted-only features at the moment, or should I wait for the next phone version of Android OS to be dropped?
Battery life, I suppose. Loading MIUI and a bunch of other stuff, I went from Wi-Fi draining 40% power to using virtually none. Now, most of my power is eaten by the screen (usually keep it at maybe 35% brightness). I suppose the battery life is alright, but usually the display will account for 50-60% of drain. Even with the (supposed) 3000mAh battery, through heavy use, my Desire will MAYBE last 6 hours. I can get two days on light use, or the day on moderate.
For some reason titanium back-up doesn't work for apps for me (switched from HTC 2.2 to Leedroid). Tried restoring apps separately but it restores jack shit. System stuff all worked fine.
Apparently there's a new leedroid version out, titanium probably still won't work for me I guess if I flash the new version over.
Battery life seems to have improved significantly so far. And having some more extra space is always nice.
It's a bit late, but from what I've heard from a friend of mine who worked as a technician for Sprint, if your data usage gets high enough, they assign someone to look through the connections your account makes to see if you're using anything that violates their Terms of Service. Which apparently is surprisingly a lot of stuff.
Although, he was a first level tech or whatever they call them. He answered phones and read off a computer screen, and bumped people to someone else who knew what the hell they were doing if the magic box didn't give him answers that made the person on the phone go away.
So, what are the benefits fo having a custom rom these days?
I'm debating rooting my mt4g, but I honestly don't see a pressing reason why. It's already plenty fast, and there is plenty of space to install apps without a full apps2sd thing running. Also, there's nothing I've heard of in Gingerbread yet that makes it worth rushing out for 2.3.
Are there any neat rooted-only features at the moment, or should I wait for the next phone version of Android OS to be dropped?
I rooted my MT4G for the simple fact of killing all the useless crap it comes with (a lot of it that runs in the background regardless). Eventually I went to the custom MIUI ROM and now I'm not going back. My battery life has gone from manageable to awesome, it's cleaner, a reboot takes all of 10 seconds, and I make the phone what I want it to be
I tried the CM7A once. It looked real pretty but there were some glaring issues that I just couldn't cope with. Maybe once they get out of Alpha I'll try it again, but for now I'd say the MIUI is bar-none the best ROM I've tried
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Grabbed a comic book viewer for my Droid X today, and holy crap do they look nice on the DX's screen. They're also surprisingly easy to read, which I was not expecting.
Which one? I had ACV installed for a while but it was flaky at best and couldn't handle some comic files without me converting them first on my PC.
So T-Mobile UK looks like they have pulled a fast one. They have altered their terms of service to state that the fair use internet cap is now 500mb for everyone (I think( rather than 3GB. They have said that they will still allow you to download over 500mb without financial penalty, but they will throttle the speed back drastically. I've pasted their press release below if anyone wants to read it - take a look at the last paragraph. Classy guys, really classy
I don't know a lot about it yet, as I just read the press release but as you can imagine, people are pretty pissed off. While 500mb is still quite a bit and especially if one has home broadband with wifi, it still makes for a pretty big change in service. I know that the main reason I signed up to T-Mobile myself was they offered 3GB rather than the 500MB everyone else was offering. It also is a pretty big assumption that smartphones are still primarily phones and anything but minutes and texts are an added bonus - I know in my case the phone gets more use as an internet device/streaming music player/podcast player.
According to ZdNet, who spoke to OfCom (UK regulator) this sort of material change should be at least take place after one month's notice and possibly also give the right to termination without triggering early termination penalties to the consumer.
T-Mobile is the only operator to give customers the Mobile Internet for a fixed price. We never charge our customers more than they expect for their Mobile Internet in the UK.
Therefore you'll never need to worry about how many emails you've sent, how long you've been online or the data/GBs
Browsing means looking at websites and checking email, but not watching videos, downloading files or playing games. We’ve got a fair use policy but ours means that you'll always be able to browse the internet, it’s only when you go over the fair use amount that you won’t be able to download, stream and watch video clips.
So what's changing? - From 1st February 2011 we will be aligning our fair use policies so our mobile internet service will have fair use of 500MB.
What does this mean? - We’ll always let you email and browse the internet and you’ll never pay more than you agree to. We do have a fair use policy but ours is there to make sure we deliver the best service possible to all our customers. This means that you’ll always be able to browse the internet.
So remember our Mobile Broadband and internet on your phone service is best used for browsing which means looking at your favorite websites like Facebook, Twitter, Gmail, BBC News and more, checking your email and looking for information, but not watching videos or downloading files.
If you want to download, stream and watch video clips, save that stuff for your home broadband.
So, what are the benefits fo having a custom rom these days?
I'm debating rooting my mt4g, but I honestly don't see a pressing reason why. It's already plenty fast, and there is plenty of space to install apps without a full apps2sd thing running. Also, there's nothing I've heard of in Gingerbread yet that makes it worth rushing out for 2.3.
Are there any neat rooted-only features at the moment, or should I wait for the next phone version of Android OS to be dropped?
I rooted my MT4G for the simple fact of killing all the useless crap it comes with (a lot of it that runs in the background regardless). Eventually I went to the custom MIUI ROM and now I'm not going back. My battery life has gone from manageable to awesome, it's cleaner, a reboot takes all of 10 seconds, and I make the phone what I want it to be
I tried the CM7A once. It looked real pretty but there were some glaring issues that I just couldn't cope with. Maybe once they get out of Alpha I'll try it again, but for now I'd say the MIUI is bar-none the best ROM I've tried
Any specific feature benefits?
The bloatware doesn't really bother me, because the phone has plenty of space to begin with, and I have a powerskin case, so battery life hasn't been an issue.
I just remember how amazing FroYo looked when I was on Eclair, but now I look at Gingerbread, and I think "eh, that'll be neat when there are apps made for it." I'm trying to figure out if there's anything new that I can do RIGHT NOW if I root, or if I might as well wait.
Grabbed a comic book viewer for my Droid X today, and holy crap do they look nice on the DX's screen. They're also surprisingly easy to read, which I was not expecting.
Which one? I had ACV installed for a while but it was flaky at best and couldn't handle some comic files without me converting them first on my PC.
ACV. It was force closing on some of the .cbr's I had for no apparent reason, though, so I downloaded Perfect Viewer and haven't had any problems so far.
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So, what are the benefits fo having a custom rom these days?
I'm debating rooting my mt4g, but I honestly don't see a pressing reason why. It's already plenty fast, and there is plenty of space to install apps without a full apps2sd thing running. Also, there's nothing I've heard of in Gingerbread yet that makes it worth rushing out for 2.3.
Are there any neat rooted-only features at the moment, or should I wait for the next phone version of Android OS to be dropped?
I rooted my MT4G for the simple fact of killing all the useless crap it comes with (a lot of it that runs in the background regardless). Eventually I went to the custom MIUI ROM and now I'm not going back. My battery life has gone from manageable to awesome, it's cleaner, a reboot takes all of 10 seconds, and I make the phone what I want it to be
I tried the CM7A once. It looked real pretty but there were some glaring issues that I just couldn't cope with. Maybe once they get out of Alpha I'll try it again, but for now I'd say the MIUI is bar-none the best ROM I've tried
Any specific feature benefits?
The bloatware doesn't really bother me, because the phone has plenty of space to begin with, and I have a powerskin case, so battery life hasn't been an issue.
I just remember how amazing FroYo looked when I was on Eclair, but now I look at Gingerbread, and I think "eh, that'll be neat when there are apps made for it." I'm trying to figure out if there's anything new that I can do RIGHT NOW if I root, or if I might as well wait.
General speed and response increase, getting rid of the pretty boot screen and animation (now have Buttlord GT splash and simple Android anim), simpler contacts (no more TMo+Google+Facebook multiples and all that bullshit)
Also no more Sense or the built-in-always-on-social-networking apps. It's just a simple, intuitive interface and I personally like it better that way. As far as the bloatware was concerned, I found myself having to clear my cache on a regular basis as I was actually running out of memory. With MIUI I haven't had to flush cache yet
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Xbox - IT Jerk
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I'm too fuckin' poor to play
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So T-Mobile UK looks like they have pulled a fast one. They have altered their terms of service to state that the fair use internet cap is now 500mb for everyone (I think( rather than 3GB. They have said that they will still allow you to download over 500mb without financial penalty, but they will throttle the speed back drastically. I've pasted their press release below if anyone wants to read it - take a look at the last paragraph. Classy guys, really classy
I don't know a lot about it yet, as I just read the press release but as you can imagine, people are pretty pissed off. While 500mb is still quite a bit and especially if one has home broadband with wifi, it still makes for a pretty big change in service. I know that the main reason I signed up to T-Mobile myself was they offered 3GB rather than the 500MB everyone else was offering. It also is a pretty big assumption that smartphones are still primarily phones and anything but minutes and texts are an added bonus - I know in my case the phone gets more use as an internet device/streaming music player/podcast player.
According to ZdNet, who spoke to OfCom (UK regulator) this sort of material change should be at least take place after one month's notice and possibly also give the right to termination without triggering early termination penalties to the consumer.
T-Mobile is the only operator to give customers the Mobile Internet for a fixed price. We never charge our customers more than they expect for their Mobile Internet in the UK.
Therefore you'll never need to worry about how many emails you've sent, how long you've been online or the data/GBs
Browsing means looking at websites and checking email, but not watching videos, downloading files or playing games. We’ve got a fair use policy but ours means that you'll always be able to browse the internet, it’s only when you go over the fair use amount that you won’t be able to download, stream and watch video clips.
So what's changing? - From 1st February 2011 we will be aligning our fair use policies so our mobile internet service will have fair use of 500MB.
What does this mean? - We’ll always let you email and browse the internet and you’ll never pay more than you agree to. We do have a fair use policy but ours is there to make sure we deliver the best service possible to all our customers. This means that you’ll always be able to browse the internet.
So remember our Mobile Broadband and internet on your phone service is best used for browsing which means looking at your favorite websites like Facebook, Twitter, Gmail, BBC News and more, checking your email and looking for information, but not watching videos or downloading files.
If you want to download, stream and watch video clips, save that stuff for your home broadband.
On the other hand it might mean I can actually use the internet on the move without some idiot hogging all the available bandwidth by streaming stuff constantly.
So, what are the benefits fo having a custom rom these days?
I'm debating rooting my mt4g, but I honestly don't see a pressing reason why. It's already plenty fast, and there is plenty of space to install apps without a full apps2sd thing running. Also, there's nothing I've heard of in Gingerbread yet that makes it worth rushing out for 2.3.
Are there any neat rooted-only features at the moment, or should I wait for the next phone version of Android OS to be dropped?
I rooted my MT4G for the simple fact of killing all the useless crap it comes with (a lot of it that runs in the background regardless). Eventually I went to the custom MIUI ROM and now I'm not going back. My battery life has gone from manageable to awesome, it's cleaner, a reboot takes all of 10 seconds, and I make the phone what I want it to be
I tried the CM7A once. It looked real pretty but there were some glaring issues that I just couldn't cope with. Maybe once they get out of Alpha I'll try it again, but for now I'd say the MIUI is bar-none the best ROM I've tried
Any specific feature benefits?
The bloatware doesn't really bother me, because the phone has plenty of space to begin with, and I have a powerskin case, so battery life hasn't been an issue.
I just remember how amazing FroYo looked when I was on Eclair, but now I look at Gingerbread, and I think "eh, that'll be neat when there are apps made for it." I'm trying to figure out if there's anything new that I can do RIGHT NOW if I root, or if I might as well wait.
General speed and response increase, getting rid of the pretty boot screen and animation (now have Buttlord GT splash and simple Android anim), simpler contacts (no more TMo+Google+Facebook multiples and all that bullshit)
Also no more Sense or the built-in-always-on-social-networking apps. It's just a simple, intuitive interface and I personally like it better that way. As far as the bloatware was concerned, I found myself having to clear my cache on a regular basis as I was actually running out of memory. With MIUI I haven't had to flush cache yet
yeah getting rid of Sense is the best thing I've done in getting a new rom. Phone is significantly faster now
There are a coule of sense tweaks I've grown to like, though. The spot focus in the camera, and the hands-free mode (the latter is a genius button related feature, not really sense, but still part of the stock mt4g ROM.)
I guess that's what my threshold is here. I'll root the phone when there's a reason to that makes up for being able to deal with text messages through an audio only interface (for driving).
So T-Mobile UK looks like they have pulled a fast one. They have altered their terms of service to state that the fair use internet cap is now 500mb for everyone (I think( rather than 3GB. They have said that they will still allow you to download over 500mb without financial penalty, but they will throttle the speed back drastically. I've pasted their press release below if anyone wants to read it - take a look at the last paragraph. Classy guys, really classy
I don't know a lot about it yet, as I just read the press release but as you can imagine, people are pretty pissed off. While 500mb is still quite a bit and especially if one has home broadband with wifi, it still makes for a pretty big change in service. I know that the main reason I signed up to T-Mobile myself was they offered 3GB rather than the 500MB everyone else was offering. It also is a pretty big assumption that smartphones are still primarily phones and anything but minutes and texts are an added bonus - I know in my case the phone gets more use as an internet device/streaming music player/podcast player.
According to ZdNet, who spoke to OfCom (UK regulator) this sort of material change should be at least take place after one month's notice and possibly also give the right to termination without triggering early termination penalties to the consumer.
T-Mobile is the only operator to give customers the Mobile Internet for a fixed price. We never charge our customers more than they expect for their Mobile Internet in the UK.
Therefore you'll never need to worry about how many emails you've sent, how long you've been online or the data/GBs
Browsing means looking at websites and checking email, but not watching videos, downloading files or playing games. We’ve got a fair use policy but ours means that you'll always be able to browse the internet, it’s only when you go over the fair use amount that you won’t be able to download, stream and watch video clips.
So what's changing? - From 1st February 2011 we will be aligning our fair use policies so our mobile internet service will have fair use of 500MB.
What does this mean? - We’ll always let you email and browse the internet and you’ll never pay more than you agree to. We do have a fair use policy but ours is there to make sure we deliver the best service possible to all our customers. This means that you’ll always be able to browse the internet.
So remember our Mobile Broadband and internet on your phone service is best used for browsing which means looking at your favorite websites like Facebook, Twitter, Gmail, BBC News and more, checking your email and looking for information, but not watching videos or downloading files.
If you want to download, stream and watch video clips, save that stuff for your home broadband.
On the other hand it might mean I can actually use the internet on the move without some idiot hogging all the available bandwidth by streaming stuff constantly.
I've been having ok service, streaming and surfing, except where I fall outside of the high speed network, which happens a lot sadly.
Anyway, I contracted 6 months back for 3GB so I could stream video or audio as well as surf the web. There wasn't any talk of fair use or that certain types of traffic or file would be allowed and others would not be. It was a simple "we offer you 3GB because you said you were going to another provider who would give you 1GB", to which I accepted. It wasn't incidental to the minutes or the text, it was the primary reason for the contract. It seems (I'm not sure about this yet) that the only way to get back to the 3GB quota is to pay an additional fee. So it seems I'll need to pay more from 1 February to get what I already pay for.
They are not making the change because people like you are experiencing a poor level of service, or bothering to make it more palatable by offering a lesser reduction (to say 2, 1.5, 1GB). They are simply aligning their terms with the Orange terms and that is apparently that.
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So really, the mistake was buying a branded, tainted handset!
My Milestone was bought unbranded and carrier free so it's not always the networks! Motorola have been promising Froyo since something like last May. Nowt yet...
pretty much everything is fixable if you want it to be fixed
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You really underestimate how much some manufacturers want you to not mess with stuff you've bought from them.
My personal campaign here is against Motorola who have encrypted the bootloader on all their phones since the Droid but I'm well aware there are some other pretty bad offenders in this realm.
I fully recommend anyone with even a semblance of geeky interests to make sure the Android phone they buy is rootable and the bootloader is unlockable.
I live in the USA so I'm unfamiliar with the motorola branded phones across the pond. But isn't the Motorola Milestone the same as the Motorola Droid? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Droid Their updates are pushed through Motorola that controls the firmware pushes, Motorola, in this case, is your problem as you mentioned you're still waiting for an update.
I picked up the Nexus S, and well, since it's the most unfettered and purest Google experience around right now. http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/introducing-nexus-s-with-gingerbread.html While I see the appeal of buying phones at a discount price, in the end, purchasing the Nexus S without a contract and remaining on my contractless plan with T-Mobile ends up saving me money over the duration of two years.
Over 90% problems I see people complaining about have to do with the software or restrictions carriers or manufacturers put on their phones. It's ridiculous.
I can't think of a reason why anyone in the US that's looking for a new phone to use with T-mobile would consider something besides the Nexus S. It's just silly, although waiting for newer hardware sounds reasonable, but man, not at the cost of my phone's freedom. I spend time waiting for data on my carrier, not for my phone's processor to ever respond.
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How do you figure? The only advantage I can tell looking at the spec sheet is a quarter gig of ram. The Evo, in addition to screen size, has a better camera. They both have a very similar Snapdragon processor (the mt4g is of course, a more recent model) but they're both of 1 ghz.
So...I feel like it's basically a crapshoot between the two. Plus, one of the phones is on realer 4g. I mean, it's both fake 4g, but one is faster.
clockspeed is kind of irrelevant. the second generation snapdragon works more efficiently than the first due to improvements in the deisgn. Honestly, I'd put the processor in the G2 up against the first generation 1ghz snapdragon, for that matter.
Likewise, megapixels are kind of pointless, outside of digital zoom. 3.5mm film is equivalent to around 4 megapixels, give or take. The quality of the lens on the camera makes MUCH more of a difference than the megapixel number, as long as it is above 3.
Beyond just numbers, I can say that I own a mt4g, and three of my immediate family members have Evos, and there is a definitely performance advantage between my phone and theirs.
edit: as for one 4g being faster, which one are you claiming it to be? Are you going by telecom marketing, or by tests?
By the theoretical peak performance of WiMAX over HSPA+
theoretical peak is an absurd thing to judge based on, because you may well never reach it at all
NEITHER standard is really 4G, but both are pretty darn fast. One company charges extra for their fake 4G. One doesn't. THAT is worth considering.
Has Verizon announced if they'll be charging extra for LTE yet?
The fact that it's been embraced by a few app developers as THE gamepad for the android is pretty awesome in and of itself. It's a shame that not all android phones have keypads though.
My Milestone was bought unbranded and carrier free so it's not always the networks! Motorola have been promising Froyo since something like last May. Nowt yet...
You really underestimate how much some manufacturers want you to not mess with stuff you've bought from them.
My personal campaign here is against Motorola who have encrypted the bootloader on all their phones since the Droid but I'm well aware there are some other pretty bad offenders in this realm.
I fully recommend anyone with even a semblance of geeky interests to make sure the Android phone they buy is rootable and the bootloader is unlockable.
Never buy another Motorola phone, ever. Even if they cure AIDS.
My Galaxy S is good, not the best specs but it's pretty.
And when they secretly double your bill one day without you signing anything, and you're stuck dealing with sprint's customer service?
They have good rate plans, yes. Ever wonder why they do such poor business despite the price? For T-Mobile the answer is easy: coverage. Sprint had good coverage too, though. The reason that sprints rate plans don't do them any favors in the market is because they have customer service people who seem to prefer that you just cancel, so they don't have to worry account how to fix what ever mistake the company made.
And don't fool yourself, EVERYONE has secret caps on data. Use enough data anywhere, and something will happen.
But the Cliq 2 is coming out! ;-)
It may not be running honeycomb, but the keyboard kind of looks like one...
Verizon customer, can do the early upgrade 23 January, contract ends I believe April or May.
I am desperate to dump this POS Blackberry Storm and get a real smart phone. So, do I go for:
Verizon iPhone
HTC Thunderbolt
Droid Bionic
Droid X (immediate gratification)
Most important to me is a quick, easily editable UI and good, fast web browsing (things like Google Reader mostly). Secondary importance is a good set of apps. All other elements are of lesser concern.
Is Gingerbread going to be the shit UI-wise? Should I hold out on upgrading until something comes through stocking it?
Thanks!
iPod is better for browsing, very straight-forward UI, and has decent customization once jailbroken.
Android phones are much more customizable out of the box, but don't have as good of screen resolution. I prefer the UI on Android phones, but it definitely takes some getting used to.
Apps tend to show up first on iPhone, then later on Android marketplace.
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Personally, I have more faith in HTC, but Motorola isn't awful. Try to get hands on with each phone once they are released.
Is that why I'm beating you in word freud?
Lets not mention the fact you won the last battle.
I'm debating rooting my mt4g, but I honestly don't see a pressing reason why. It's already plenty fast, and there is plenty of space to install apps without a full apps2sd thing running. Also, there's nothing I've heard of in Gingerbread yet that makes it worth rushing out for 2.3.
Are there any neat rooted-only features at the moment, or should I wait for the next phone version of Android OS to be dropped?
The biggest thing for me is probably tweaking the UI. I'd have to sit down and note all the little things I like because at this point its the norm for me. Haven't been on stock android for like 9 months now. Don't ever really plan on going back, so long as CM support is still around.
I also make heavy use of root-only apps like Titanium Backup and ROM Manager, but those are more of features that are useful to facilitate doing root operations, not things that you would really need in user space.
Plus, even though none of the available custom ROMs are really ready for day-to-day use, I can put Gingerbread on my phone at a whim.
I did a backup via ROM manager, but how simple is it to load all my apps back onto it once I'm running a custom rom? I assume I'll lose my icon and widget placements as well, is this correct?
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For example, if I switch from a Sense UI ROM to another Sense UI Rom, then I can be pretty reasonably sure that I can just restore all of my app data and have everything work. If I did the same thing switching from Sense UI to AOSP, I would probably have to manually figure out what app data to restore, to ensure I didn't try to restore app data for some sort of HTC module which isn't there.
The launcher I use allows you to save/restore your icon/widget placement; if whatever launcher you use does the same then it should survive flashing a new custom ROM as long as you backup and restore the app data for your launcher.
Battery life, I suppose. Loading MIUI and a bunch of other stuff, I went from Wi-Fi draining 40% power to using virtually none. Now, most of my power is eaten by the screen (usually keep it at maybe 35% brightness). I suppose the battery life is alright, but usually the display will account for 50-60% of drain. Even with the (supposed) 3000mAh battery, through heavy use, my Desire will MAYBE last 6 hours. I can get two days on light use, or the day on moderate.
Apparently there's a new leedroid version out, titanium probably still won't work for me I guess if I flash the new version over.
Battery life seems to have improved significantly so far. And having some more extra space is always nice.
Although, he was a first level tech or whatever they call them. He answered phones and read off a computer screen, and bumped people to someone else who knew what the hell they were doing if the magic box didn't give him answers that made the person on the phone go away.
I rooted my MT4G for the simple fact of killing all the useless crap it comes with (a lot of it that runs in the background regardless). Eventually I went to the custom MIUI ROM and now I'm not going back. My battery life has gone from manageable to awesome, it's cleaner, a reboot takes all of 10 seconds, and I make the phone what I want it to be
I tried the CM7A once. It looked real pretty but there were some glaring issues that I just couldn't cope with. Maybe once they get out of Alpha I'll try it again, but for now I'd say the MIUI is bar-none the best ROM I've tried
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Which one? I had ACV installed for a while but it was flaky at best and couldn't handle some comic files without me converting them first on my PC.
hahah I gotta try this now
I don't know a lot about it yet, as I just read the press release but as you can imagine, people are pretty pissed off. While 500mb is still quite a bit and especially if one has home broadband with wifi, it still makes for a pretty big change in service. I know that the main reason I signed up to T-Mobile myself was they offered 3GB rather than the 500MB everyone else was offering. It also is a pretty big assumption that smartphones are still primarily phones and anything but minutes and texts are an added bonus - I know in my case the phone gets more use as an internet device/streaming music player/podcast player.
According to ZdNet, who spoke to OfCom (UK regulator) this sort of material change should be at least take place after one month's notice and possibly also give the right to termination without triggering early termination penalties to the consumer.
Therefore you'll never need to worry about how many emails you've sent, how long you've been online or the data/GBs
Browsing means looking at websites and checking email, but not watching videos, downloading files or playing games. We’ve got a fair use policy but ours means that you'll always be able to browse the internet, it’s only when you go over the fair use amount that you won’t be able to download, stream and watch video clips.
So what's changing? - From 1st February 2011 we will be aligning our fair use policies so our mobile internet service will have fair use of 500MB.
What does this mean? - We’ll always let you email and browse the internet and you’ll never pay more than you agree to. We do have a fair use policy but ours is there to make sure we deliver the best service possible to all our customers. This means that you’ll always be able to browse the internet.
So remember our Mobile Broadband and internet on your phone service is best used for browsing which means looking at your favorite websites like Facebook, Twitter, Gmail, BBC News and more, checking your email and looking for information, but not watching videos or downloading files.
If you want to download, stream and watch video clips, save that stuff for your home broadband.
Yeah, that is what all the articles are saying. I'm going to have a read through Ofcom's site later as well.
But even without this, I'd think the material change aspect would entitle me to terminate the contract
Any specific feature benefits?
The bloatware doesn't really bother me, because the phone has plenty of space to begin with, and I have a powerskin case, so battery life hasn't been an issue.
I just remember how amazing FroYo looked when I was on Eclair, but now I look at Gingerbread, and I think "eh, that'll be neat when there are apps made for it." I'm trying to figure out if there's anything new that I can do RIGHT NOW if I root, or if I might as well wait.
ACV. It was force closing on some of the .cbr's I had for no apparent reason, though, so I downloaded Perfect Viewer and haven't had any problems so far.
General speed and response increase, getting rid of the pretty boot screen and animation (now have Buttlord GT splash and simple Android anim), simpler contacts (no more TMo+Google+Facebook multiples and all that bullshit)
Also no more Sense or the built-in-always-on-social-networking apps. It's just a simple, intuitive interface and I personally like it better that way. As far as the bloatware was concerned, I found myself having to clear my cache on a regular basis as I was actually running out of memory. With MIUI I haven't had to flush cache yet
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On the other hand it might mean I can actually use the internet on the move without some idiot hogging all the available bandwidth by streaming stuff constantly.
yeah getting rid of Sense is the best thing I've done in getting a new rom. Phone is significantly faster now
I guess that's what my threshold is here. I'll root the phone when there's a reason to that makes up for being able to deal with text messages through an audio only interface (for driving).
I've been having ok service, streaming and surfing, except where I fall outside of the high speed network, which happens a lot sadly.
Anyway, I contracted 6 months back for 3GB so I could stream video or audio as well as surf the web. There wasn't any talk of fair use or that certain types of traffic or file would be allowed and others would not be. It was a simple "we offer you 3GB because you said you were going to another provider who would give you 1GB", to which I accepted. It wasn't incidental to the minutes or the text, it was the primary reason for the contract. It seems (I'm not sure about this yet) that the only way to get back to the 3GB quota is to pay an additional fee. So it seems I'll need to pay more from 1 February to get what I already pay for.
They are not making the change because people like you are experiencing a poor level of service, or bothering to make it more palatable by offering a lesser reduction (to say 2, 1.5, 1GB). They are simply aligning their terms with the Orange terms and that is apparently that.
I live in the USA so I'm unfamiliar with the motorola branded phones across the pond. But isn't the Motorola Milestone the same as the Motorola Droid? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Droid Their updates are pushed through Motorola that controls the firmware pushes, Motorola, in this case, is your problem as you mentioned you're still waiting for an update.
I picked up the Nexus S, and well, since it's the most unfettered and purest Google experience around right now. http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/introducing-nexus-s-with-gingerbread.html While I see the appeal of buying phones at a discount price, in the end, purchasing the Nexus S without a contract and remaining on my contractless plan with T-Mobile ends up saving me money over the duration of two years.
Over 90% problems I see people complaining about have to do with the software or restrictions carriers or manufacturers put on their phones. It's ridiculous.
I can't think of a reason why anyone in the US that's looking for a new phone to use with T-mobile would consider something besides the Nexus S. It's just silly, although waiting for newer hardware sounds reasonable, but man, not at the cost of my phone's freedom. I spend time waiting for data on my carrier, not for my phone's processor to ever respond.