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oh ho ho ho someone put a swastika on the UN symbol
how very edgy
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GreenStick around.I'm full of bad ideas.Registered Userregular
edited January 2007
What the fuck are you doing
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
edited January 2007
fuck you I wanted manbearpig
also the movie is essentially propagandized truths and half-truths
EDIT: OH SHIT IT'S THE CAT FUCK PUT AWAY THE RAPE PORN
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edited January 2007
It focused more on the politics of the situation rather than the actual scientific side but overall I think it did a very good job of conveying the message
I'm actually willing to say that Gore has put the issue out in the forefront quite a bit. You can have a thousand climatologists screaming silence, but get one politician that is completely hated to stand behind something and people listen.
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jackfaces
"If you're going to play tiddly winks, play it with man hole covers."
- John McCallum
I haven't seen this movie, but i'm guessing it's filled to the brim with political science rather than the actual truth. The facts are still true, but warped to present their idea as the best possible option.
But man, hasn't the ozone layer been repairing itself over the years? I heard on the news that the hole has actually decreased as time has passed by.
I haven't seen this movie, but i'm guessing it's filled to the brim with political science rather than the actual truth. The facts are still true, but warped to present their idea as the best possible option.
But man, hasn't the ozone layer been repairing itself over the years? I heard on the news that the hole has actually decreased as time has passed by.
I haven't seen this movie, but i'm guessing it's filled to the brim with political science rather than the actual truth. The facts are still true, but warped to present their idea as the best possible option.
But man, hasn't the ozone layer been repairing itself over the years? I heard on the news that the hole has actually decreased as time has passed by.
Its sort of better since CFCs were banned in a lot of places. Developing countries still use them though because they're the cheapest way to run coolant systems like fridges, and not dying from rancid meat poisoning is more important to them right now than skin cancer in 20 years. So there's still a fair amount of new emissions entering the system. Main problem is though that the molecules of CFC take years and years (decade, really) to break down, so there's a long lag time between stopping their use and things improving. Things'll keep getting better slowly, and more so once the DC's get rich enough to switch to other coolants.
Oh, and the ozone layer has nothing to do with climate change. Totally separate issue.
To be honest, i'm not really believing that this global warming issue is a big deal. I mean, if the earth has been around for millions of years, then why haven't things like volcano eruptions, forest fires, and other various disasters wiped the slate clean? I know full well that one volcano eruption can put out a hell of a lot more smoke, fire and brimstone than corporations can do in a year or two, and that certainly isn't something we as people can control.
Just tossin' around an idea.
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
To be honest, i'm not really believing that this global warming issue is a big deal. I mean, if the earth has been around for millions of years, then why haven't things like volcano eruptions, forest fires, and other various disasters wiped the slate clean? I know full well that one volcano eruption can put out a hell of a lot more smoke, fire and brimstone than corporations can do in a year or two, and that certainly isn't something we as people can't control.
Just tossin' around an idea.
They uh.... they have.....
that's what Ice Ages result from.
To be honest, i'm not really believing that this global warming issue is a big deal. I mean, if the earth has been around for millions of years, then why haven't things like volcano eruptions, forest fires, and other various disasters wiped the slate clean? I know full well that one volcano eruption can put out a hell of a lot more smoke, fire and brimstone than corporations can do in a year or two, and that certainly isn't something we as people can control.
Just tossin' around an idea.
not totally true
if you compare the amount of co2 from an eruption to what is put out by people (cars, whatever) people win
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jackfaces
"If you're going to play tiddly winks, play it with man hole covers."
- John McCallum
I know full well that one volcano eruption can put out a hell of a lot more smoke, fire and brimstone than corporations can do in a year or two
what about the smoke, fire, and... brimstone? What? And CFCs, and carbon dioxide, and other chemicals that millions, no, billions of people and animals put out continuously, every single day, for the decades in between eruptions?
To be honest, i'm not really believing that this global warming issue is a big deal. I mean, if the earth has been around for millions of years, then why haven't things like volcano eruptions, forest fires, and other various disasters wiped the slate clean? I know full well that one volcano eruption can put out a hell of a lot more smoke, fire and brimstone than corporations can do in a year or two, and that certainly isn't something we as people can control.
Just tossin' around an idea.
not totally true
if you compare the amount of co2 from an eruption to what is put out by people (cars, whatever) people win
We put out more fumes a day than all the volcanoes in history.
To be honest, i'm not really believing that this global warming issue is a big deal. I mean, if the earth has been around for millions of years, then why haven't things like volcano eruptions, forest fires, and other various disasters wiped the slate clean? I know full well that one volcano eruption can put out a hell of a lot more smoke, fire and brimstone than corporations can do in a year or two, and that certainly isn't something we as people can control.
Just tossin' around an idea.
not totally true
if you compare the amount of co2 from an eruption to what is put out by people (cars, whatever) people win
We put out more fumes a day than all the volcanoes in history.
Not quite, but its the fact that what we put out is extra-on-top-of-normal that's the problem
wait, i came in here for cocks, dicks, and lol. what happened?
To be honest, i'm not really believing that this global warming issue is a big deal. I mean, if the earth has been around for millions of years, then why haven't things like volcano eruptions, forest fires, and other various disasters wiped the slate clean? I know full well that one volcano eruption can put out a hell of a lot more smoke, fire and brimstone than corporations can do in a year or two, and that certainly isn't something we as people can control.
Just tossin' around an idea.
So what makes you so certain that a single volcanic eruption puts more pollutants into the atmosphere than the cumulative pollution from human industry? Your rationale seems to simply be, "I know this is the case because I want to believe this is the case." Also, human industry pumps a broader range of pollutants into the atmosphere than an eruption and it's something that's going on all the time instead of the occasional eruption. Your logic strikes me as deeply flawed but if you have the sources to back it up I'm willing to peruse them and reconsider.
We still get a buttload of snow, but it seems to have shifted seasons in Alberta. When I was a kid we got the majority of our cold weather and snow from October through till about January. Now it seems to start in January and run right into spring.
I can't wait until we can have Christmas at the lake.
cows are pretty much the worst thing for the the atmosphere
My chemistry instructor tried to play that angle to show how stupid environmentalists are. Basically a human exhales 2-3 times more CO2 in a day than a vehicle produces. Something struck me as overly simplistic about this and unfortunately it wasn't until after class that I realized the flaw in his argument.
See, it's true that animals (including humans of course) exhale CO2 as a waste product all the time. So yes, humans are exhaling huge amounts of CO2, oh noes why worry about vehicles when they produce a fraction of the CO2, right?
Wrong. The chink in that chain of logic is that the CO2 produced by us and other animals is a waste product of the Krebs cycle whereby carbohydrates (so called because they are carbon chains that are used to store energy) are converted in respiration into energy with water and CO2 being the products of the process. Now, these carbohydrates, even if we are getting them from meat, ultimately originate from plants as a result of photosynthesis whereby CO2 is stripped of its carbon so that carbohydrates can be formed to store the energy from photosynthesis which animals later eat. So when we exhale CO2, all we're really doing is sending carbon that's already cycling through the environment back into a usable form for plants to use again.
With the burning of fossil fuels, the important difference is that we're taking carbohydrates (the oil) that have been essentially sequestered underground for thousands to millions of years and suddenly releasing that extra CO2 into the environment, tipping the balance out of whack in a way that animal respiration does not.
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
cows are pretty much the worst thing for the the atmosphere
My chemistry instructor tried to play that angle to show how stupid environmentalists are. Basically a human exhales 2-3 times more CO2 in a day than a vehicle produces. Something struck me as overly simplistic about this and unfortunately it wasn't until after class that I realized the flaw in his argument.
See, it's true that animals (including humans of course) exhale CO2 as a waste product all the time. So yes, humans are exhaling huge amounts of CO2, oh noes why worry about vehicles when they produce a fraction of the CO2, right?
Wrong. The chink in that chain of logic is that the CO2 produced by us and other animals is a waste product of the Krebs cycle whereby carbohydrates (so called because they are carbon chains that are used to store energy) are converted in respiration into energy with water and CO2 being the products of the process. Now, these carbohydrates, even if we are getting them from meat, ultimately originate from plants as a result of photosynthesis whereby CO2 is stripped of its carbon so that carbohydrates can be formed to store the energy from photosynthesis which animals later eat. So when we exhale CO2, all we're really doing is sending carbon that's already cycling through the environment back into a usable form for plants to use again.
With the burning of fossil fuels, the important difference is that we're taking carbohydrates (the oil) that have been essentially sequestered underground for thousands to millions of years and suddenly releasing that extra CO2 into the environment, tipping the balance out of whack in a way that animal respiration does not.
calm down old man, I just said the worst thing not the only thing
Why do I need to calm down? I don't see how I attacked you at all in that post Pip. I just stated some information. Maybe you need a little thicker skin.
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
Why do I need to calm down? I don't see how I attacked you at all in that post Pip. I just stated some information. Maybe you need a little thicker skin.
I'm telling mommy.
Also I am crazy tired holy fuck working in a kitchen is tiring
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I really should.
"If you're going to play tiddly winks, play it with man hole covers."
- John McCallum
hope you aren't a fundie
EDIT: I haven't seen it either. Should I?
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I've spent my entire life fighting global warming
look at this cute CGI polar bear drown
I'm Al Gore
I'm so self-important and a terrible spokesperson for an otherwise good cause
how very edgy
also the movie is essentially propagandized truths and half-truths
EDIT: OH SHIT IT'S THE CAT FUCK PUT AWAY THE RAPE PORN
"If you're going to play tiddly winks, play it with man hole covers."
- John McCallum
t tfs send me a message on my wii
make it frosted butts
But man, hasn't the ozone layer been repairing itself over the years? I heard on the news that the hole has actually decreased as time has passed by.
The movie is actually pretty much all true.
Its sort of better since CFCs were banned in a lot of places. Developing countries still use them though because they're the cheapest way to run coolant systems like fridges, and not dying from rancid meat poisoning is more important to them right now than skin cancer in 20 years. So there's still a fair amount of new emissions entering the system. Main problem is though that the molecules of CFC take years and years (decade, really) to break down, so there's a long lag time between stopping their use and things improving. Things'll keep getting better slowly, and more so once the DC's get rich enough to switch to other coolants.
Oh, and the ozone layer has nothing to do with climate change. Totally separate issue.
Just tossin' around an idea.
that's what Ice Ages result from.
not totally true
if you compare the amount of co2 from an eruption to what is put out by people (cars, whatever) people win
"If you're going to play tiddly winks, play it with man hole covers."
- John McCallum
what about the smoke, fire, and... brimstone? What? And CFCs, and carbon dioxide, and other chemicals that millions, no, billions of people and animals put out continuously, every single day, for the decades in between eruptions?
We put out more fumes a day than all the volcanoes in history.
"If you're going to play tiddly winks, play it with man hole covers."
- John McCallum
pokemon pearl friend code- 4897-2782-3202
Not quite, but its the fact that what we put out is extra-on-top-of-normal that's the problem
wait, i came in here for cocks, dicks, and lol. what happened?
ozone killed my family
Maybe this Global Warming business is legit.
EDIT: :V
I'm in the middle of the second major snowstorm in three days.
I can't wait until we can have Christmas at the lake.
And I'm all, "Yeah, it's pretty ni-WAIT ONE FUCKING SECOND IT'S JANUARY!"
OH SHI-
See, it's true that animals (including humans of course) exhale CO2 as a waste product all the time. So yes, humans are exhaling huge amounts of CO2, oh noes why worry about vehicles when they produce a fraction of the CO2, right?
Wrong. The chink in that chain of logic is that the CO2 produced by us and other animals is a waste product of the Krebs cycle whereby carbohydrates (so called because they are carbon chains that are used to store energy) are converted in respiration into energy with water and CO2 being the products of the process. Now, these carbohydrates, even if we are getting them from meat, ultimately originate from plants as a result of photosynthesis whereby CO2 is stripped of its carbon so that carbohydrates can be formed to store the energy from photosynthesis which animals later eat. So when we exhale CO2, all we're really doing is sending carbon that's already cycling through the environment back into a usable form for plants to use again.
With the burning of fossil fuels, the important difference is that we're taking carbohydrates (the oil) that have been essentially sequestered underground for thousands to millions of years and suddenly releasing that extra CO2 into the environment, tipping the balance out of whack in a way that animal respiration does not.
also cows produce methane
Also I am crazy tired holy fuck working in a kitchen is tiring