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Will YOU get a letter through the door?

skinny87skinny87 Registered User regular
edited October 2010 in Social Entropy++
After being linked to Halkun's awesome Enterprise model on ARSTechnica, I had a look at its main page, and was surprised to see this article about half-way down:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/09/p2p-settlement-factory-expects-10-million-from-mailing-letters.ars

P2P settlement factory expects £10 million from... mailing letters
Andrew Crossley, the lawyer behind the UK's leading P2P settlement factory, is serious about mailing out his "pay up" letters, and he knows just what kind of return he'll get. As part of firm's huge e-mail leak (read our major investigation), Ars has now seen the company's "strictly private and confidential" business plan, along with detailed cash flow projections and salary statements. After poring over the data for the last few days, it's possible to say just how Crossley makes his money—and how much of it he makes.

Crossley's law firm, ACS Law, helps pornographers (and a few music labels and software publishers) defend their copyrighted works online, and after doing it for a while, Crossley has the business down to a science. According to a cash flow projection spreadsheet, the amount of money demanded in the letters varies by client. For instance, a campaign on behalf of Mediacat demanded £500, while another campaign for Digiprotect only asked for £400. "Lucky" targets of this scheme might be asked to pay just £350.

But how can Crossley have any idea who will settle and who won't? Given the volume business he's engaged in, this is really just a numbers game. ACS Law's business plan assumes a 15 percent recovery rate, but "in practice, we area able to demonstrate a 20 percent recovery rate."

A couple hundred pounds and a low response rate might not sound like the road to riches, but if you mail a lot of letters, it adds up quickly (and ACS Law will happily put people on an installment plan if they can't pay up right away). And Crossley does mail a lot of letters; his business plan notes that ACS Law has "invested in a high quality commercial printer to ensure it has sufficient capacity. In addition, it always keep [sic] another printer on site in case the main printer experiences any difficulties."

For those TLDRing, to sum up it seems that a lawyer representing porn companies and some other people has begun the process of mailing out what appear to be hundreds of thousands, if no millions of letters to people in the UK demanding money for illegal downloads.

I've never seen anything like this before, only for the music industry, led by the RIAA. What makes it worse is that the company seems to have leaked its own emails and spreadsheets containing the people being mailed these letters, and the amount asked for. It looks like a lot of people are going to be getting these letters - and it might be soon. What say you, SE++?

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  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] ...it was the summer of my lifeRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Oh fuck nailing my mail slot shut.

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    I want to do with you
    What spring does with the cherry trees.
  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Oh fuck nailing my mail slot shut.

    Better nail up your chimney too

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  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] ...it was the summer of my lifeRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Yur a pirate Arry.

    Viscount Islands on
    I want to do with you
    What spring does with the cherry trees.
  • MarshmallowMarshmallow Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Start shooting down inbound pigeons, just in case.

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  • Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Junk mail

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  • skinny87skinny87 Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    The article doesn't say what happens if someone refuses to pay. Do they get prosecuted then?

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  • SporkAndrewSporkAndrew Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2010
    skinny87 wrote: »
    The article doesn't say what happens if someone refuses to pay. Do they get prosecuted then?

    It mentions the fact that in the UK judges don't go for the whole "£1.97 million in lost revenue for downloading 35 songs" like US courts do. There's a specific case of the Blackpool (!) council basically telling the company sending the letter that the person doing the illegal download is on the hook for the price of the song (79p) and that's it:
    The Blackpool official then notes that under UK law, damages are fixed at "economic loss, either realised or potential." When it comes to music tracks, the loss equals "the approximate market value of the track as a single download—79p. Without further transparency as to the legal costs mentioned above, I would imagine that this would be sufficient to bring the matter to a close."

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  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    What if it's a US company? Or isn't ACS Law dealing with them?

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  • ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I stream all my illegal porn.

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  • dushdush Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    they'll never take me alive

    dush on
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  • dushdush Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    on the date 16-11-2009 at 16.35 i was browsing the internet namely bt junkie ,without going into a long story i accidentely pressed the download button for the copyright protected file british granny f— 5@6 which then opened my bittorrent client on my pc which the torrent is sent to with the forementioned file is attached.

    whoops

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  • dushdush Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Go f— your mum you stupid pakistani black jew. You zimbabwean immigrant.

    So listen up fat f—, don't send me another letter. If you do send me another f—ing letter, I will rape your mum against the wall and I will blow up your house and kill you all in a terrorist attack.

    In addition, I want a £3500 cheque written to me for the inconvinience [sic] you have caused me.

    *If you do not reply to this email with a confirmation that you will pay me, I will hunt you down and stab you in the back and blow your d— up.*

    oh my!

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  • FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    an FBI special investigator knocked on my door the other day

    first thing i thought of was "oh fuck, it's the music"

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  • UmaroUmaro Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I had to talk to a dude in the FBI because the Navy tricked me into admitting I used to smoke pot. Shit is crazy.

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  • ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Who broke dush

    c'mon own up you're only making it harder on yourself

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  • FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Umaro wrote: »
    I had to talk to a dude in the FBI because the Navy tricked me into admitting I used to smoke pot. Shit is crazy.

    one of my friends was applying for top secret clearance

    dude just wanted to ask me to confirm his unemployment from like fuckin 7 years ago

    i couldn't so he said "ok thanks" and left

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  • GatsbyGatsby Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I still love Pony's story of being questioned by mounties about his activity here

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  • UmaroUmaro Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    He demanded that I list for him every single time I had used marijuana, where, when and with whom. Every lie I ever told was just practice for the shit that came out of my mouth the moment he told me to start talking.

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  • FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Gatsby wrote: »
    I still love Pony's story of being questioned by mounties about his activity here

    i'm sure that actually happened, too

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  • STATE OF THE ART ROBOTSTATE OF THE ART ROBOT Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Butler wrote: »
    Who broke dush

    c'mon own up you're only making it harder on yourself

    S s [tiny] sorry [/tiny]

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  • GatsbyGatsby Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    even if half of Pony's stories never happened they're still funny as hell

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  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Under A Rock: AfganistanRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Extortion is legal?

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  • SoaLSoaL fantastic Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Oh fuck nailing my mail slot shut.

    considering the subject of the letters I imagined you frenziedly humping your mail slot hoping to jam it shut

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  • the cheatthe cheat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2010
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  • VALVEjunkieVALVEjunkie Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    uk only?

    BULLET: DODGED
    by a hemisphere

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  • SalSal Damnedest Little Fellow Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    They've got a special list just for you, VALVE

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  • Peter EbelPeter Ebel CopenhagenRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    In their spread sheet, the only entry for VALVE is "money dollars".

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    Fuck off and die.
  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    man, I don't ever respond to paper mail

    also i'm in the US so SUCK ITTTT

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Never once downloaded porn

    Why would I? There are streaming videos everywhere

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    whew, thank god for fantasti.cc

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  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    yeah why would you download porno when you can just go to a site and nut on a vid

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    maybe some of us have more specific tastes

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  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    reminds me of when he friend came to visit from south africa

    he brought his external hd, plugged it into my comp while he was in the uk

    dude had like the most porn i have ever seen, anywhere

    and some of it was just

    i get nam flashbacks

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  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    And that was just his travel porn.

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  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    my most vivid memory was him bringing up photoshop and an image of some nude asian girl

    and messing around with filters so that everything except her left shoulder was a deep blue hue

    apparently this was hot??

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  • YukiraYukira Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Mysst wrote: »
    maybe some of us have more illegal tastes

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  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] ...it was the summer of my lifeRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Yeah I don't actually download porn. I only did when I had really shitty internet and wanted to see it without terrible stuttering.

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Yukira wrote: »
    Mysst wrote: »
    maybe some of us have more illegal tastes

    you nasty, man, damn

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  • YukiraYukira Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Mysst wrote: »
    Yukira wrote: »
    Mysst wrote: »
    maybe some of us have more illegal tastes

    you nasty, man, damn

    I have G-talk conversations to prove you like the illegal things.

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  • TamTam Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I like illegal things
    they're not that illegal though

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