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[MOBA DOBA] League of Legends, Cho'Gath Cho'Gath Cho'Gath Cho'Gath Cho'Gath CHO'GATH

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  • PikaPuffPikaPuff Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Asiina wrote: »
    he had over 700 wins [...]

    I find most tryndameres I've played with have this attitude (although this guy was the most delusional I've seen). I'm not sure what it is about the character that draws crazy people towards him.
    After an estimated 1400 games I'd be filled with endless rage, too.

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  • Magic RadioMagic Radio Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Dac Vin wrote: »
    There needs to be a Chadimir skin. He already has the hair for it. Add a popped collar polo and a brewski and you're good to go. U vlad bro

    Edit: Lux's splash screen was revealed? Dang, is it hosted somewhere?

    Hey guys this is Dac's brother speaking, posting this for him because well, he tried and now he's all curled up in a perfect ball vomiting all over the place.
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    I'd hit it...with a tire iron until it stopped moving.

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  • FrosteeyFrosteey Elaise 1521-2945-8940Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Playing Tryndamere was the like the only time I ever got a quadra kill ever : (

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  • MattakuevanMattakuevan Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Dac Vin wrote: »
    There needs to be a Chadimir skin. He already has the hair for it. Add a popped collar polo and a brewski and you're good to go. U vlad bro

    Edit: Lux's splash screen was revealed? Dang, is it hosted somewhere?

    Hey guys this is Dac's brother speaking, posting this for him because well, he tried and now he's all curled up in a perfect ball vomiting all over the place.
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    Am I one of the only people who will buy her based on her design alone? She seems like she will make my foes vomit rage in my direction, and it will be glorious.

    She's just gloriously awful, I love it.

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  • UrQuanLord88UrQuanLord88 Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    So I hear Riot is dropping Lux because enough of us made fun of their concept art, truth?

    The art and her model are really bullshit but the particle and spell effects were stellar. Very fun to watch and her spell kit (in the TR) is very interesting and fun.

    Granted, there are a couple of bugs but it seems like other people within Riot are taking the chance to change her skill set whilst the art goes into redevelopment.

    TBH this is her in essence:
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  • CoffeyCoffey Terre Haute, IndianaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Asiina wrote: »
    His retort? "I have 3 times as many wins as you, noob!" which was true, he had over 700 wins. But all that means was he's been playing 3 times as long as I have and STILL fed all to hell.
    Miraculously, the key to League of Legends victory seems to be to have your team *gasp* die less than theirs! If your team is alive longer, you'll be in lanes longer gaining experience and beating on minions to get more gold so you can buy better stuff. You'll also not give the enemy team money from them killing you, which gives them experience and cash-monies.

    This logic seems lost on so many people. A champion decides it's a good idea to check the bushes after getting to a lane late. Of course they die at level 1 and get 2-on-1'd. Or late game, when your team is behind they'll think that going 1:1 with an opponent in a different lane is a good thing because "hey, I got a kill!" even though we're outnumbered 4v3 elsewhere as we have a leaver. If you would have been with the team it would have been 4v4 and they would be yelling at their fifth over in BFE beating on minions at level 17...

    Then again, I'm terrible, so what do I know?

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  • AsiinaAsiina ... WaterlooRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    schuss wrote: »
    Asiina wrote: »
    There are no mediocre tryndameres. They are either unstoppable gods or terrible feeders. There really isn't an in between.

    The good thing I guess is that you can tell which kind yours is going to be by how they act while laning.

    We had a trynd last night who went 3/8 (those 3 kills right near the end) in 25 minutes before we surrendered. He had the most deaths on our team by far. Right before we surrendered he said "fucking noobs on my team. Feed and then surrender."

    We were all "wut". You see nothing was his fault, everything was the fault of his bad team playing EZmode characters and the other team playing OP characters. You see, it was all of our faults for him dying 5 times during laning. Especially the people who weren't in his lane.

    His retort? "I have 3 times as many wins as you, noob!" which was true, he had over 700 wins. But all that means was he's been playing 3 times as long as I have and STILL fed all to hell.

    I find most tryndameres I've played with have this attitude (although this guy was the most delusional I've seen). I'm not sure what it is about the character that draws crazy people towards him.

    I like tryndameres... when I play singed. I just make sure to get poison on right near the end of their endless range and it's....hahaha.

    I was actually played singed that game. He was like "all you had to do was fling people and you couldn't even do that!"

    And I'm like "I....I wasn't even in your lane where you died FIVE TIMES."

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  • Psycho Internet HawkPsycho Internet Hawk Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Every time I look at the Lux art I see something new and "wtf" about her proportions.

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  • cptruggedcptrugged I think it has something to do with free will. Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I really don't give a crap about breast sizes in this sort of thing cause of the ole' "Most Common Superpower" cliche. MF is hilarious cause its so over the top. Making fun of itself. No problem with that.

    Lux, tho... The colors, the design 0_0. Man, I just don't know who looked at that and thought it was funny / cool / whatever. There's just just no sense in it. It looks like an idea cooked up at the local highschool anime or gaming club.

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  • MattakuevanMattakuevan Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Every time I look at the Lux art I see something new and "wtf" about her proportions.

    Care to elaborate? She just looks like anime to me.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Lux's face makes it pretty clear that she's a transvestite.

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    What is this I don't even.
  • AsiinaAsiina ... WaterlooRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Her design is all over the place. She has a breastplate and some form of chainmail underneath....but it only goes to just under her boobs. Then she has a piece of cloth tied with a ribbon for a skirt. The only thing that comes close to matching are her shoulder-guards and her boots.

    Either she's a whore cheerleader or she's wearing armor. It can't be both.

    Also she has a terrible face.

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  • Psycho Internet HawkPsycho Internet Hawk Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Every time I look at the Lux art I see something new and "wtf" about her proportions.

    Care to elaborate? She just looks like anime to me.

    Her neck is super long and thin, her arms are absurdly thin, she has shoulder pads but no real shoulders to speak of, her boobs look like bowls taped to her chest, her hands are super-deformed, and for whatever reason she has a giant flat area from her neck our towards her clavacle.

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  • Mei HikariMei Hikari Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Asiina wrote: »
    Her design is all over the place. She has a breastplate and some form of chainmail underneath....but it only goes to just under her boobs. Then she has a piece of cloth tied with a ribbon for a skirt. The only thing that comes close to matching are her shoulder-guards and her boots.

    Either she's a whore cheerleader or she's wearing armor. It can't be both.

    Also she has a terrible face.
    I'm going to

    B A S H

    your face in!!

    /flips

    yaaaaay

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  • MattakuevanMattakuevan Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Every time I look at the Lux art I see something new and "wtf" about her proportions.

    Care to elaborate? She just looks like anime to me.

    Her neck is super long and thin, her arms are absurdly thin, she has shoulder pads but no real shoulders to speak of, her boobs look like bowls taped to her chest, her hands are super-deformed, and for whatever reason she has a giant flat area from her neck our towards her clavacle.

    I think that was supposed to be the point, isn't she supposed to be Garen's younger sister who wants to be respected as an adult? That would explain her being freakshly skinny and wearing clothes that don't belong. The shoulder guards kinda solidify that point for me, she wants to appear strong when shes like 14 or something.

    Not saying that justifies the absurdity, but that is probably what Riot intended.

    Edit: Or shes a 12 year old boy, those boobs look like padding underneath.

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  • SuMa.LustreSuMa.Lustre Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    whoa why is cho'gath like bottom tier

    he is so good

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  • AsiinaAsiina ... WaterlooRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    The cheerleader idea isn't an awful one. Neither is a woman wearing form fitting or light armor (as opposed to kayle). They just need to stick with it and not try to merge them.

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  • cptruggedcptrugged I think it has something to do with free will. Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Care to elaborate? She just looks like anime to me.

    It really looks like someone said "I GOT IT! *takes a big toke* Medival Cheerleader!" and started making it happen. I think only the original sneak peek look anime cause well.. it was drawn in a japanese style. That spash art tho just.. damn.. The styles they mashed together are just two great tastes that did not taste great together. That head band and hairstyle is totally cliche cheerleader.. But then you have this sort of valkyri style top armor in a horrible color then down to a faux cheerleader skirt.

    I got it! I know what this reminds me of. It reminds me of when I let my 9 year old cousin play with the Soul Calibur 4 character creator. She made something JUST LIKE THIS.

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  • Minerva_SCMinerva_SC Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Asiina wrote: »
    The cheerleader idea isn't an awful one. Neither is a woman wearing form fitting or light armor (as opposed to kayle). They just need to stick with it and not try to merge them.

    and it shouldn't, you know, be garens sister. she wouldn't even be so bad if she was some nobody, but shes garens sister for christ sakes, you can't even see the guys whole face he's got so much armor on, atleast give her some damn cloths, and a sterner face. I mean, I'm one of the guys who loves big boobies and skimpy outfits on a champ, and laugh at the flat chest brigade who seems to be ever so vocal these days, ut this is not a champ to do such a thing with. Hell, theres art on the official LoL forums of lux that looks 300X better than the actual art, it's ridiculous, and they know it, which is why she was pulled.

    I mean, the things that just kill me are the skirt and the random ass chainmail. You can't even call that a skirt, it's just cloth held on with another cloth. And the chainmail makes no since whatsoever. Like, shes only afraid of her shoulders and boobs being sliced to pieces, fuck her vulnerable mid drift. It's just...ugh

    You know sherueila or whatever her name is designed this champ, shes been all over the forums posting about her and seems to proud of her, and everyone knows shes a big animu nerd. She really should just stick to balance changes...

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    I'm dead serious."
  • Mei HikariMei Hikari Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    cptrugged wrote: »
    Care to elaborate? She just looks like anime to me.

    It really looks like someone said "I GOT IT! *takes a big toke* Medival Cheerleader!" and started making it happen. I think only the original sneak peek look anime cause well.. it was drawn in a japanese style. That spash art tho just.. damn.. The styles they mashed together are just two great tastes that did not taste great together. That head band and hairstyle is totally cliche cheerleader.. But then you have this sort of valkyri style top armor in a horrible color then down to a faux cheerleader skirt.

    I got it! I know what this reminds me of. It reminds me of when I let my 9 year old cousin play with the Soul Calibur 4 character creator. She made something JUST LIKE THIS.

    Have your cousin apply for an internship

    Mei Hikari on
  • Kristmas KthulhuKristmas Kthulhu Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    cptrugged wrote: »
    Care to elaborate? She just looks like anime to me.

    It really looks like someone said "I GOT IT! *takes a big toke* Medival Cheerleader!" and started making it happen. I think only the original sneak peek look anime cause well.. it was drawn in a japanese style. That spash art tho just.. damn.. The styles they mashed together are just two great tastes that did not taste great together. That head band and hairstyle is totally cliche cheerleader.. But then you have this sort of valkyri style top armor in a horrible color then down to a faux cheerleader skirt.

    I got it! I know what this reminds me of. It reminds me of when I let my 9 year old cousin play with the Soul Calibur 4 character creator. She made something JUST LIKE THIS.

    Have your cousin apply for an internship

    Hehehe, this made me lulz.

    Kristmas Kthulhu on
  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I am really really bad at singed, but I don't want to be!

    I think this guide really speaks to me; what do you guys think of it?


    Also- any other tips for singed?

    Arch on
  • RyokazeRyokaze Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    whoa why is cho'gath like bottom tier

    he is so good

    In high level play, cho'gath isn't really a stand-alone champion. Rupture is simply too hard to land once people with good reaction times pick up boots 2.

    However, cho is all sorts of fucking scary once you pair him up with anybody who has a moderate duration immobilize, dazzle --> rupture (for example) is essentially 5 seconds of you're fucked with a side of omnomnom. I think the disconnect comes from either elementz's desire to keep champions with hard synergy requirements out of the upper tiers, or he's just never played against/with a cho that has that kind of stun or root support.

    Ryokaze on
  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    I am really really bad at singed, but I don't want to be!

    I think this guide really speaks to me; what do you guys think of it?


    Also- any other tips for singed?

    Get Rod of Ages/Boots of Swiftness

    Then build him AP or tanky as needed

    Rylai's is nice for either

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  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    I am really really bad at singed, but I don't want to be!

    I think this guide really speaks to me; what do you guys think of it?


    Also- any other tips for singed?

    I'm not pro, but I'm ok. Here's what I do:
    start with a mana crystal and 2 health pots (dorans ring also works)
    Build up to a rod ASAP (feel free to throw boots 1 in there if you're getting outmaneuvered)
    Now buy boots of swiftness
    Depending on how you're doing/if there are other tanks, the following items are good:
    1. Rylais - slow added to gas and flip
    2. Abyssal scepter - more gas damage, teamfight help+mr
    3. Aegis -never a bad choice
    4. Glacial thingy with mana - CDR+mana (therefore health) yay!
    5. If you're wrecking face, just stack AP
    6. If you're not, get banshee/thornmail/FoN (depending on where your trouble is)

    For leveling, start with flip so you can flip idjits into your tower. After that, level in this priority:
    1. Ult
    2. Gas
    3. Goo
    4. Flip

    Flip just adds damage and requires extra mana, so no need to add early. Once you get rod+a few minutes and gas going, you can knock out a creep wave in a hurry and cause some serious hurt.

    General playstyle - try to kite as much as possible, as people forget about your gas. Other than that, use the ult-gas on-goo-flip for great success! Always flip their squishy, and make sure you have support, as singed is more an AP offtank than a full tank. Great synergies for him include laning with any other DOT's or grabs/roots, as you can pull off the hilarious grab+flip with someone like blitzcrank to grab someone from 2/3 lane into your tower.
    Summoner - Ghost and ignite. Feel free to ghost to charge in and flip someone into your gas/lanemate early, as people won't expect it or be able to escape it.

    Also Ult+boots 3+ghost=superspeed

    schuss on
  • Minerva_SCMinerva_SC Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I am really really bad at singed, but I don't want to be!

    I think this guide really speaks to me; what do you guys think of it?


    Also- any other tips for singed?

    awful guilde imo. singed should be an ap offtank, plain and simple. rush a rod of ages and boots of swiftness for everything singed needs to be effective. From there it depends on whats on the other team. If they're disable heavy, I usually grab a banshees vail. If they're light on disables I just grab another rod of ages. 4rd item should always be arch angels. you'll get a ton of ap from the RoA's/banshee veil, and while singed doesn't cast spells too much to start stacking it's passive, it's still insanely good for him. From this point on it's pretty much up to you what to get. If you wanna just fuck people up with poison and fling, grab a zhonya's. If you want even more hp, a ton of ap and some decent slowing, grabs Rylai's. If they have some heavy physical dps grab a sunfires or two. I tey and pace myself, first RoA by 15-17 minutes, banshees or arch anglel by 25-28 min, easily done with a kill or two under your belt.

    IMO, singed should be relying on his passive and getting alot of mana to increase his health, I play him as a HP tank with decent mitigation and a ton of ap and it works great. If I go heavy ap (300+) I sometimes grab a lichbane if they're team is squishy. flinging someone into poison then smacking them for another 500 is always nice. By late game you should have 4K+ health and 300-400 ap, and just be an all around pest to the other team. They should be running when they hear the whistle!

    As for masteries, go nuts, just don't bother with mana regen per level runes, they just aren't needed, by the time you get a RoA you'll never be running out mana, and the archangels seals that, they're a waste. I usually run magic pen reds, dodge yellows, MR per lv blues. Quints, go nuts, I usu health or MR per lv. Summoner spells are also up to you, I usually go with the good ol flash/ghost combo, since singed needs to be mobile to spread that poison and catch champs to fling. teleport can replace flash if you want. as for skill levels, grab fling first, then 2 levels in poison, then a point in sticky goo, then just max poison then fling then finish goo.

    o, long post. :P I play alot of singed and think he's hella fun, it's a shame you don't see him much...

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    I'm dead serious."
  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Guys that guide specifically talks about NOT getting AP, and just getting regen to solely push empty towers, not that I don't appreciate the feedback

    EDIT: thanks Minerva

    Arch on
  • Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity What a lovely day for tea Secret British ThreadRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Ryokaze wrote: »
    whoa why is cho'gath like bottom tier

    he is so good

    In high level play, cho'gath isn't really a stand-alone champion. Rupture is simply too hard to land once people with good reaction times pick up boots 2.

    However, cho is all sorts of fucking scary once you pair him up with anybody who has a moderate duration immobilize, dazzle --> rupture (for example) is essentially 5 seconds of you're fucked with a side of omnomnom. I think the disconnect comes from either elementz's desire to keep champions with hard synergy requirements out of the upper tiers, or he's just never played against/with a cho that has that kind of stun or root support.

    Elementz moved up Anivia from shit tier to good tier when he actually played Anivia

    Zen Vulgarity on
  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Not getting any AP on Singed is a bad idea

    Rod of Ages is enough if you want to play him as a straight tank and still gives you HP and MP, and the extra MP translates into more HP with his passive

    There's no reason not to buy it first on Singed

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  • AsiinaAsiina ... WaterlooRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    I am really really bad at singed, but I don't want to be!

    I think this guide really speaks to me; what do you guys think of it?


    Also- any other tips for singed?

    I haven't played A LOT of singed, but from what I have that guide seems pretty much the opposite of what you want to do.

    Singed is a good off-tank. He's a good initiator, he can take a fair bit of damage, and puts out some consistent damage if he doesn't get taken care of in a teamfight. He's not as unkillable as some tanks, but he holds his own.

    Runes: You need mana regen. Goddamn you need mana regen. I just use my mpen/mr/cooldowns/health caster page since I don't have a page for him. He doesn't really need the cooldowns and that could be replaced with something else if you want to get serious about it.

    Masteries: I'm going 0/14/16 putting points in mana regen, ghost, flash, experience, and movement speed in utility, then going as far down the defense tree you can get, putting points in that mana-health mastery.

    Obviously taking ghost and flash. You want to be fast. You need to be able to catch people to do your work. That's your job.

    Singed is great as a health/AP guy. His ratios aren't great but poison is ongoing damage. Of course it's not going to be 1:1. That AP extra is per tick of damage. You want to buy all the rods of all the ages. You should definitely build one first. Start with a mana crystal and 2 health pots. Finish it as soon as humanly possible. Then buy another. Then get either a sunfire cape or a FoN depending on what the enemy team is. They are both awesome since you are either putting out more AOE damage or you are faster. Both are things that are great for singed. Then a rylais is nice so your poison can slow. For boots get merc treads or boots of swiftness, depending what's happening with the other team.

    Abilities: R > Q > E > W

    I don't know why that guide says level up your puddle. Your fling does quite a bit of damage once it's leveled but the puddle only increases the slow % and it's hard to land, so I don't know why you'd level it. Put a point into it and then ignore it until late game.

    For playstyle, how you do early game is entirely dependent on your lane. Is your partner a ranged squishie? Are you against tanky dudes or melee guys? Probably don't want to be flinging them into your partner. However if the opposite is true then fling away! Remember that you will be taking a lot of minion damage early if you are poisoning minion waves. It can add up and until you get your first rod you don't actually have too much health, so be careful with the poison and running between minions. Also, your ult is great for knocking down towers and the cooldown isn't too long. Pop it to destroy a tower.

    Late game, unless you have a better one, be an initiator. Run in like a crazy person and fling a dude into your team. Stand in the middle of teamfights for as long as you can and just be an AOE asshole doing ongoing damage. Flinging in teamfights is difficult because dudes move around a lot and if there's a slight delay you can fling someone AWAY from your team. Try it, but rely more on slowing and poison until they start running, THEN fling.

    Okay, I think that's all I got.

    Asiina on
  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I'm at about 5 queue dodges in a row now

    can I just play already

    Zombiemambo on
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  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I'm at about 5 queue dodges in a row now

    can I just play already

    Well... stop queue dodging?

    reVerse on
  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Thank you Asiina et al

    I will try him tonight, and hope I do better with him than I have been

    Arch on
  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    You level the puddle so you don't go tango on MP for flinging. That's all. If you build some extra mana, you level it, but it's main effect is to throw someone back toward your team, not to damage. The slow puddle is useless level 1, but useful with levels.
    That said, I do sometimes level fling earlier if it looks like it's time to wreck face and I'm not having mana problems.
    Oh, and runes:
    I run 10/0/16 right now (not 30 yet). I grab improved ignite (10 free AP!) and improved ghost, as well as run the offense tree down to the 15% magic pen.
    Also, as asiina said, the man eats mana, so run that.
    I disagree with the flash, simply because the synergies between poison and ignite are so good (and I'm an overaggressive player), as you can shut down the heals that would save someone, as well as magnify your poison damage.

    schuss on
  • wazillawazilla Having a late dinner Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Ryokaze wrote: »
    whoa why is cho'gath like bottom tier

    he is so good

    In high level play, cho'gath isn't really a stand-alone champion. Rupture is simply too hard to land once people with good reaction times pick up boots 2.

    However, cho is all sorts of fucking scary once you pair him up with anybody who has a moderate duration immobilize, dazzle --> rupture (for example) is essentially 5 seconds of you're fucked with a side of omnomnom. I think the disconnect comes from either elementz's desire to keep champions with hard synergy requirements out of the upper tiers, or he's just never played against/with a cho that has that kind of stun or root support.

    Elementz moved up Anivia from shit tier to good tier when he actually played Anivia

    Objectivity ftw

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  • Dac VinDac Vin S-s-screw you! I only listen to DOUBLE MUSIC! Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    And by "shit tier" he means "tier 3".

    Which is, you know, not what tier 3 is at all.

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  • Psycho Internet HawkPsycho Internet Hawk Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    What is the general PA rule on bringing friends? I have a friend who is relatively new to Lol and wants to get better, but I mostly play with PA folks.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Coffey wrote: »
    Someone should inform Riot that not all women have 36 DD breasts. The Ashe screens are ridiculous.

    What Ashe screens?

    Lucascraft on
  • AsiinaAsiina ... WaterlooRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    schuss wrote: »
    You level the puddle so you don't go tango on MP for flinging. That's all. If you build some extra mana, you level it, but it's main effect is to throw someone back toward your team, not to damage. The slow puddle is useless level 1, but useful with levels.
    That said, I do sometimes level fling earlier if it looks like it's time to wreck face and I'm not having mana problems.
    Oh, and runes:
    I run 10/0/16 right now (not 30 yet). I grab improved ignite (10 free AP!) and improved ghost, as well as run the offense tree down to the 15% magic pen.
    Also, as asiina said, the man eats mana, so run that.
    I disagree with the flash, simply because the synergies between poison and ignite are so good (and I'm an overaggressive player), as you can shut down the heals that would save someone, as well as magnify your poison damage.

    Ignite is alright, but being able to flash close enough to fling someone is really important. Flash has gotten me close enough many times to catch up to someone.

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  • Minerva_SCMinerva_SC Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Asiina wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    I am really really bad at singed, but I don't want to be!

    I think this guide really speaks to me; what do you guys think of it?


    Also- any other tips for singed?

    I haven't played A LOT of singed, but from what I have that guide seems pretty much the opposite of what you want to do.

    Singed is a good off-tank. He's a good initiator, he can take a fair bit of damage, and puts out some consistent damage if he doesn't get taken care of in a teamfight. He's not as unkillable as some tanks, but he holds his own.

    Runes: You need mana regen. Goddamn you need mana regen. I just use my mpen/mr/cooldowns/health caster page since I don't have a page for him. He doesn't really need the cooldowns and that could be replaced with something else if you want to get serious about it.

    Masteries: I'm going 0/14/16 putting points in mana regen, ghost, flash, experience, and movement speed in utility, then going as far down the defense tree you can get, putting points in that mana-health mastery.

    Obviously taking ghost and flash. You want to be fast. You need to be able to catch people to do your work. That's your job.

    Singed is great as a health/AP guy. His ratios aren't great but poison is ongoing damage. Of course it's not going to be 1:1. That AP extra is per tick of damage. You want to buy all the rods of all the ages. You should definitely build one first. Start with a mana crystal and 2 health pots. Finish it as soon as humanly possible. Then buy another. Then get either a sunfire cape or a FoN depending on what the enemy team is. They are both awesome since you are either putting out more AOE damage or you are faster. Both are things that are great for singed. Then a rylais is nice so your poison can slow. For boots get merc treads or boots of swiftness, depending what's happening with the other team.

    Abilities: R > Q > E > W

    I don't know why that guide says level up your puddle. Your fling does quite a bit of damage once it's leveled but the puddle only increases the slow % and it's hard to land, so I don't know why you'd level it. Put a point into it and then ignore it until late game.

    For playstyle, how you do early game is entirely dependent on your lane. Is your partner a ranged squishie? Are you against tanky dudes or melee guys? Probably don't want to be flinging them into your partner. However if the opposite is true then fling away! Remember that you will be taking a lot of minion damage early if you are poisoning minion waves. It can add up and until you get your first rod you don't actually have too much health, so be careful with the poison and running between minions. Also, your ult is great for knocking down towers and the cooldown isn't too long. Pop it to destroy a tower.

    Late game, unless you have a better one, be an initiator. Run in like a crazy person and fling a dude into your team. Stand in the middle of teamfights for as long as you can and just be an AOE asshole doing ongoing damage. Flinging in teamfights is difficult because dudes move around a lot and if there's a slight delay you can fling someone AWAY from your team. Try it, but rely more on slowing and poison until they start running, THEN fling.

    Okay, I think that's all I got.

    Nooooooo! No mana regen runes, just no! RoA and arch angels gives singed all the mana he could ever want, and early game you shouldn't be spending that much mana anyways, just grab a mana pot or two whenever you back to town, you won't miss that 80 gold. By late game you can just have your poison on 24/7 and your mana will barely move, it's just a waste of rune slots, better used for dodge or hp per level. And yeah, theres no reason to level puddle past 1 until late game. I mean, if you REALLY think you need mana, just make a philosophers stone early game, it's a great item and you can just sell it later or make it into the new item.

    as for early game/laning, just last hit for the first 5 or so levels. If you have a good lane party with a stun/slow/root, you can completely shut down any melee champ in the lane with fling/root/stun ownage, they won't even be abelto approach minions without losing a ton of life, and most likely dying. Depending on who you're laning against, by level 7 you should be running rampant on their minions, always go to the ranged minions, do a lap around them with poison on, then last hit whatever you can. as I said, depending on who you're laning against, they'll most likely run away cause they don't wanna be poisoned. If they're agressive then just poison the melee minions. Another great tip, when you've pushed to their tower and your wave has been destroyed, wait just out of tower range for their next creep wave, turn on poison, and run in front of the wave. By the time their wave meets yours, it'll already be mostly dead and your wave will go straight to their tower and mess up their last hitting/farming.

    singed is such a ridiculously good farmer, which is why teleport is good on him, to get to the fat creep wave thats been pushing to your back tower for 5 minutes before anyone else. :winky: singed pretty much just needs ghost, your second summoner spell is pretty much up to you, ignite/tele/flash are all good.

    oh yah, one more thing, as far as masteries goes, I always get strength of spirit. with all the mana stacking singed does, by late game it alone gimes him close to 70 hp per 5, and it's great early game if you grab a mana crystal, basically a free rejuv pendant.

    Minerva_SC on
    "If a cherry pie filled cape is wrong, I don't want to be right.
    I'm dead serious."
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