So they put out some 'concept art' for version 2.0 which is planned to be on sale post-2013.
and they will start charging people that are still staying with the game from this December?
Because right there they say BETA versions of PS3 client will begin distribution at Sep. to Oct. 2012. Also, another thing, they seemed to have their PS3 closed beta planned for just two months. I'm not sure if they really learned that lesson from PC launch.
This game was still in running for post-wow MMO of choice for me personally, at least since there are no other promising mmo's, but looks like i can stop paying attention completely.
Been out of the loop for a while and only occasionally popping into the game. So they're finally gonna do this thing, huh?
I dunno... I keep going back to what I really wanted out of XIV, which was basically "XI, but less irritating." Still had good times with XI, but it was very dependent on getting a group together and sticking around for hours; was really looking for something I could jump and jump out of if I only had half an hour before work, or whatever. XIV should have delivered handily in that regard, and might have if it hadn't been rushed out for the sake of having two numbered FF titles in the same year, or whatever the reason was. Restating the litany of mistakes, while a good cautionary tale going forward, still doesn't answer the question of whether it's ready for prime time. What little I've played has actually been kinda fun, but at best it feels like the game they needed a year ago and it still hasn't quite caught up.
All that said, I would happily pay $standardMMOmonthly for "XI, but less irritating," and I do hope they pull this off. It's a slim hope, I admit, but I'll probably bite the bullet on this, at least initially to see if they've got their shit together. If they succeed, good on them, I'll keep playing. If not, eh, I'm out some money and a long-running game series gets an entry it never quite lives down, assuming it lives at all. Not the end of the world.
As an aside, I'd probably tilt more favorably once (if?) they bring in jobs that use guns. Blending one with a mage job might be dumb and redundant as hell, but conceptually it's been stuck in my head since beta and I'd like to try that out at least once.
The big mistake they made with the current graphics engine is the drawing quality setting having an option over 8 (1:1). It has a worse performance hit than SSAA does, it's more than doubling the backbuffer resolution.
Everyone wants to be able to run on max everything but doesn't understand setting that one option higher will cripple performance.
You may have a point about that, but I could bottom out the options and the game still was a slideshow whenever three or more people/mobs were on screen. In comparison, I play games like the new Deus Ex at maximum everything and a smooth framerate the whole game through.
I realize the high end of FFIV is higher than the high end of DE:HR, but the lowest end being higher? Makes no sense, when everything has turned into "an indistinct blob" territory.
You can blame players for not checking the right box, I guess, but the engine has some fundamental flaws that can't be fixed by the players.
I just picked up this game yesterday, installed it, and patched it. I'm in-game now on Wutai running around. I've reached level 7 on my THM whatever those short characters are called. I've been meaning to run into someone from the Linkshell, but haven't had much luck. I just saw in my local chat "Gally Imaginos" (I think it is) and I know that's someone from the linkshell. Unfortunately I could not find you fast enough to ask for any sort of invitation. Anyway, I'm going to stick around Bentbranch awhile in anticipation someone finds me. My character in-game is Noomsun Leirava.
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
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Do they still do that thing where they charge you per character?
Also, FFXIV looks great in still images, which happens to be the frame rate you get most of the time.
Yes additional characters will cost extra when billing starts, something that makes me really hope nothing class related has any mutually exclusive choices that require alts.
It really doesn't take that much power to have the game running smoothly. General Drawing Quality over 8 and Ambient Occlusion/Depth of Field are the biggest offenders for lagging it up, it could be that they are using full precision for many of the features rather than half or less like most tend to. There's a large amount of games I've come across that you barely get any benefit for turning everything into a blurry mess.
I just hope they don't degrade the quality with the newer engine and leave it with the options to have more meaning.
I can run FFXIV on a laptop just fine. I mean its at medium settings, but I can party, do dungeons, whatever. Behest rolls through and I might lose a frame or two when things get hot and heavy but.. its a laptop.
Still, optimization would be nice, so heres hoping.
You may have a point about that, but I could bottom out the options and the game still was a slideshow whenever three or more people/mobs were on screen. In comparison, I play games like the new Deus Ex at maximum everything and a smooth framerate the whole game through.
I realize the high end of FFIV is higher than the high end of DE:HR, but the lowest end being higher? Makes no sense, when everything has turned into "an indistinct blob" territory.
You can blame players for not checking the right box, I guess, but the engine has some fundamental flaws that can't be fixed by the players.
Yeah, I know pretty much it's 100% my processor that was the problem for running XIV (old core2duo; still runs 99% of most games great but newer games like dues ex, witcher 2, etc are definitely showing that it is well past its lifespan), but like Astale I could uncheck everything and even drop my resolution to something that looked worse than games 10+ years ago and it still ran unbelievably bad.
This isn't something you can blame on players. There's a total lapse of logic on the part of the developers for their engine when the requirements are so high as to be virtually unplayable on many even moderately old machines but at the same time they completely left out the ability to do relatively "old" things like take advantage of dual graphics cards. A lot of the issues I had which made the game unplayable I chalked up to them making the engine more for PS3 and less for the PC, but it started to become clear that one of the major hangups to putting it out on the PS3 was less about the quality of the game at launch and more about their inability to get the game running properly on the PS3...which I think is more of the fundamentals to why they're doing the 2.0 graphical stuff; it's more for being able to run it on the other platforms at all, and less about some grand "we want to do it better" mentality. Keep in mind I'm only saying that in regards to the graphics engine; everything else about what they're doing to the game I do believe comes from simply wanting it to be better.
Simply put, whether or not the game runs fine for some and not for others, it isn't really an arguable fact that the game is impossibly poorly optimized and clearly wasn't adequately tested on a diverse amount of machines. I applaud SE for making the game look as good as it does, when it is able to even be played, but there was a lack of foresight surrounding the PC "port" (which it was, which makes it ironic that it's still the only version out) which led to such vastly different performance experiences among players. That is one of the sure tell signs of complete lack of proper testing and optimization. You could tell they thought the vast majority of players would be on the PS3 and made the game with that in mind. Ironic, again, that it seems that they couldn't get it properly working on the PS3 even then.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it runs great on the PS3 and it really is about quality of gameplay that they held off on the PS3. But even if that's the case, there's no excuse at all for the state of the PC version at launch, even now since I've never seen any real mention of engine optimization in patch notes since launch, purely from the perspective of game performance and not even getting into the issue of gameplay.
I need this game to go on a $15 sale somewhere, everywhere around me still seems to want $30 for a box. I think the game has made enough changes for me to at least give it a month or two, but with the amount of money I'll be spending on console games the next 2 months I'd rather not spend more than $20 atm.
I almost pulled the trigger on a collector's edition for $40 I found tonight, I think I'ma go back tomorrow and pick it up.
Just a couple questions:
1. Is there any site that has a good break down of what skills from what classes I should try to be getting/expected to have, for example if I want to play thurmatage I should lvl conjuror to X level for Y skill.
2. I heard 1-20 has been sped up, but how long are we talking from 1-50?
3. Are there any classes I should avoid, I know there's the whole play whatever class you find fun, but I can have fun playing any class, what I can't do is have fun when I'm a class no one wants plus I enjoy being a useful class (gogo bard)
I almost pulled the trigger on a collector's edition for $40 I found tonight, I think I'ma go back tomorrow and pick it up.
Just a couple questions:
1. Is there any site that has a good break down of what skills from what classes I should try to be getting/expected to have, for example if I want to play thurmatage I should lvl conjuror to X level for Y skill.
2. I heard 1-20 has been sped up, but how long are we talking from 1-50?
3. Are there any classes I should avoid, I know there's the whole play whatever class you find fun, but I can have fun playing any class, what I can't do is have fun when I'm a class no one wants plus I enjoy being a useful class (gogo bard)
1-50 all depends how hardcore you are. 1 week is very possible if you grind like mad.
At this point I would avoid (if anything) gladiator and archer. Arc got super nerfed and mrd is a superior tank. However, more class balancing in 1.20 so that could all change.
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Sounds good, I was thinking archer because I'd wanna be a bard later on, but I guess I'll start as one of the casters, and if I like the game I'll wind up maxing more than one anyways. Hopefully I'll be in game later this week
To be fair, FFXI required a pretty beefy PC at its launch as well. I know, it looks amazingly assy now so thats hard to believe, but it did!
Not really, I ran it on a laptop without dedicated graphics. I ran it well too. On lowest settings mind you. (emulated hardware TnL? Yes)
Back in 2002, I'm surprised you had a laptop capable of such. I mean that was a good 800~1000$ laptop back then. Good job, I guess? A 800$ PC would run the shit out of FFXIV.
Wow, I did not know that there was going to be such a large overhaul. I hope they improved that forest area. The was one obnoxious maze. I am jumping in now to check things out.
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Yeah, it's like they learned nothing from Yhoator and Yuhtunga.
...and when you are done with that; take a folding
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Yeah, it's like they learned nothing from Yhoator and Yuhtunga.
To say they learned nothing when making FF14 is an understatement It's like they bludgeoned themselves in the head until they forget they even made FF11, then locked themselves in a bubble.
Yeah, it's like they learned nothing from Yhoator and Yuhtunga.
To say they learned nothing when making FF14 is an understatement It's like they bludgeoned themselves in the head until they forget they even made FF11, then locked themselves in a bubble.
More like they refused to let any of the people who had the good ideas/made the good stuff in FFXI anywhere near the project. Also horsebirds.
So I caved and bought the collector's edition. At first I wasn't sure it was worth the money but that 8 day head start put me over the top. I must say thought the journal is pretty nice and the security token I'm assuming will be handy.
Installing now so I'm expecting a night of patching and setting up an account. Is the account setup still as bad as people complained at release? Also, on the bright side I have a buddy pass available for anyone who wants to try out the game, on the bad side though whoever gets it is my new duo buddy:) Or was a buddy pass still needed for the guild bank?
So for some reason I don't remember I canceled my SE account and now can't play either XI or XIV. Is there a way around this that anyone knows without purchasing a brand new copy of the game and then creating a new account? I'll try and do the SE support thing, but it never let me chat with someone last time. Thanks for any help.
You...you do realize that the 8 day head start was like...a year ago...right?
Is my sarcasm meter broken?
EDIT: You mean you totally cancelled your POL/SE account? Can you even do that anymore? You might give SE a call and see whats up because you have to go out of your way to cancel your actual XI POL account and not just the content IDs.
So I caved and bought the collector's edition. At first I wasn't sure it was worth the money but that 8 day head start put me over the top. I must say thought the journal is pretty nice and the security token I'm assuming will be handy.
Not sure if SRS.
So far I'm digging 1.19, and it's the first patch to make me play for more than a week. A lot of people complaining that there isn't anything to do seem to be missing that most of the stuff they've put in have been pretty open world, so it's still back to "we need to get people together so we can go out and adventure."
I worry that so much of this open content will eventually come back to bite them in the face, though. Almost all content in XI was open world, HNMs or non-instanced raids that people would get into fights over for who got to go in first. It sucked.
Hopefully when they start putting in more instanced raids they'll make sure the gear matches up between them. I haven't done the 45+ raid or level 50 Ifrit yet, but I hear those loots be shiny. I also hear loot distribution could use... a lot of work.
I went ahead and re-rolled my character. He was only a level five and I needed to refresh my memory about how to play. The tutorial seems to be more descriptive and the performance is better. I have a better video card now, so I am not quite certain how better. I doubt I will do any crafting. Hopefully, that is not necessary.
I do like how this game launches into quest mode. It is exciting!
I was checking around and it sounds like the Ud'lah storyline quest really picks up at level 20. I currently have a level 6 THM called Golbek Spellfont and made it through the first storyline quest.
I have a 50 CNJ and I keep on knocking around the idea of rerolling. Not sure if I want to deal with the foreveramanthra stigma. They do tend to look better in pretty much any armor, though.
Also with a name like Kariko I can't really switch genders when they give us the option down the line.
I guess if I do reroll the sooner I do it the better.
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and they will start charging people that are still staying with the game from this December?
Because right there they say BETA versions of PS3 client will begin distribution at Sep. to Oct. 2012. Also, another thing, they seemed to have their PS3 closed beta planned for just two months. I'm not sure if they really learned that lesson from PC launch.
This game was still in running for post-wow MMO of choice for me personally, at least since there are no other promising mmo's, but looks like i can stop paying attention completely.
I dunno... I keep going back to what I really wanted out of XIV, which was basically "XI, but less irritating." Still had good times with XI, but it was very dependent on getting a group together and sticking around for hours; was really looking for something I could jump and jump out of if I only had half an hour before work, or whatever. XIV should have delivered handily in that regard, and might have if it hadn't been rushed out for the sake of having two numbered FF titles in the same year, or whatever the reason was. Restating the litany of mistakes, while a good cautionary tale going forward, still doesn't answer the question of whether it's ready for prime time. What little I've played has actually been kinda fun, but at best it feels like the game they needed a year ago and it still hasn't quite caught up.
All that said, I would happily pay $standardMMOmonthly for "XI, but less irritating," and I do hope they pull this off. It's a slim hope, I admit, but I'll probably bite the bullet on this, at least initially to see if they've got their shit together. If they succeed, good on them, I'll keep playing. If not, eh, I'm out some money and a long-running game series gets an entry it never quite lives down, assuming it lives at all. Not the end of the world.
As an aside, I'd probably tilt more favorably once (if?) they bring in jobs that use guns. Blending one with a mage job might be dumb and redundant as hell, but conceptually it's been stuck in my head since beta and I'd like to try that out at least once.
Everyone wants to be able to run on max everything but doesn't understand setting that one option higher will cripple performance.
I realize the high end of FFIV is higher than the high end of DE:HR, but the lowest end being higher? Makes no sense, when everything has turned into "an indistinct blob" territory.
You can blame players for not checking the right box, I guess, but the engine has some fundamental flaws that can't be fixed by the players.
Also, FFXIV looks great in still images, which happens to be the frame rate you get most of the time.
It really doesn't take that much power to have the game running smoothly. General Drawing Quality over 8 and Ambient Occlusion/Depth of Field are the biggest offenders for lagging it up, it could be that they are using full precision for many of the features rather than half or less like most tend to. There's a large amount of games I've come across that you barely get any benefit for turning everything into a blurry mess.
I just hope they don't degrade the quality with the newer engine and leave it with the options to have more meaning.
Still, optimization would be nice, so heres hoping.
Yeah, I know pretty much it's 100% my processor that was the problem for running XIV (old core2duo; still runs 99% of most games great but newer games like dues ex, witcher 2, etc are definitely showing that it is well past its lifespan), but like Astale I could uncheck everything and even drop my resolution to something that looked worse than games 10+ years ago and it still ran unbelievably bad.
This isn't something you can blame on players. There's a total lapse of logic on the part of the developers for their engine when the requirements are so high as to be virtually unplayable on many even moderately old machines but at the same time they completely left out the ability to do relatively "old" things like take advantage of dual graphics cards. A lot of the issues I had which made the game unplayable I chalked up to them making the engine more for PS3 and less for the PC, but it started to become clear that one of the major hangups to putting it out on the PS3 was less about the quality of the game at launch and more about their inability to get the game running properly on the PS3...which I think is more of the fundamentals to why they're doing the 2.0 graphical stuff; it's more for being able to run it on the other platforms at all, and less about some grand "we want to do it better" mentality. Keep in mind I'm only saying that in regards to the graphics engine; everything else about what they're doing to the game I do believe comes from simply wanting it to be better.
Simply put, whether or not the game runs fine for some and not for others, it isn't really an arguable fact that the game is impossibly poorly optimized and clearly wasn't adequately tested on a diverse amount of machines. I applaud SE for making the game look as good as it does, when it is able to even be played, but there was a lack of foresight surrounding the PC "port" (which it was, which makes it ironic that it's still the only version out) which led to such vastly different performance experiences among players. That is one of the sure tell signs of complete lack of proper testing and optimization. You could tell they thought the vast majority of players would be on the PS3 and made the game with that in mind. Ironic, again, that it seems that they couldn't get it properly working on the PS3 even then.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it runs great on the PS3 and it really is about quality of gameplay that they held off on the PS3. But even if that's the case, there's no excuse at all for the state of the PC version at launch, even now since I've never seen any real mention of engine optimization in patch notes since launch, purely from the perspective of game performance and not even getting into the issue of gameplay.
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Just a couple questions:
1. Is there any site that has a good break down of what skills from what classes I should try to be getting/expected to have, for example if I want to play thurmatage I should lvl conjuror to X level for Y skill.
2. I heard 1-20 has been sped up, but how long are we talking from 1-50?
3. Are there any classes I should avoid, I know there's the whole play whatever class you find fun, but I can have fun playing any class, what I can't do is have fun when I'm a class no one wants plus I enjoy being a useful class (gogo bard)
Not really, I ran it on a laptop without dedicated graphics. I ran it well too. On lowest settings mind you. (emulated hardware TnL? Yes)
1-50 all depends how hardcore you are. 1 week is very possible if you grind like mad.
At this point I would avoid (if anything) gladiator and archer. Arc got super nerfed and mrd is a superior tank. However, more class balancing in 1.20 so that could all change.
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Back in 2002, I'm surprised you had a laptop capable of such. I mean that was a good 800~1000$ laptop back then. Good job, I guess? A 800$ PC would run the shit out of FFXIV.
Fan translation project for an interview with Yoshi-P
Interesting reading. Seems like there is going to be a year long catastrophe to link the old Eorza into a new Eorza.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
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chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
To say they learned nothing when making FF14 is an understatement
More like they refused to let any of the people who had the good ideas/made the good stuff in FFXI anywhere near the project. Also horsebirds.
Damn you chinese outsourcing!
Installing now so I'm expecting a night of patching and setting up an account. Is the account setup still as bad as people complained at release? Also, on the bright side I have a buddy pass available for anyone who wants to try out the game, on the bad side though whoever gets it is my new duo buddy:) Or was a buddy pass still needed for the guild bank?
Is my sarcasm meter broken?
EDIT: You mean you totally cancelled your POL/SE account? Can you even do that anymore? You might give SE a call and see whats up because you have to go out of your way to cancel your actual XI POL account and not just the content IDs.
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So far I'm digging 1.19, and it's the first patch to make me play for more than a week. A lot of people complaining that there isn't anything to do seem to be missing that most of the stuff they've put in have been pretty open world, so it's still back to "we need to get people together so we can go out and adventure."
I worry that so much of this open content will eventually come back to bite them in the face, though. Almost all content in XI was open world, HNMs or non-instanced raids that people would get into fights over for who got to go in first. It sucked.
Hopefully when they start putting in more instanced raids they'll make sure the gear matches up between them. I haven't done the 45+ raid or level 50 Ifrit yet, but I hear those loots be shiny. I also hear loot distribution could use... a lot of work.
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Yeah I was trying to make a joke, apparently I need more practice
I do like how this game launches into quest mode. It is exciting!
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Also with a name like Kariko I can't really switch genders when they give us the option down the line.
I guess if I do reroll the sooner I do it the better.
HE EVEN GOT ME KILLED (I had yet to die)
"Yeah sure"
Ouch I'm dead
"Sorry went to the bathroom... oh"
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