whoa whoah, I'm not saying or arguing that 700 is too much for an ipad
All I'm saying is it's not 'next to nothing' dollars
Depends on your disposable income, doesn't it? Arguing semantics around that statement is pointless -- while $700 may be a big purchase for a device for most people, there are certainly those for whom it isn't.
I wouldn't say the iPad cost me next to nothing, but it is the cheapest piece of computing equipment I own (it's cheaper than my iPhone both over time and has a lower replacement cost), and frankly has had me look at my 13" MBP as a pretty ridiculous purchase. Some say the iPad is a toy computer, but I spent twice as much on an MBP as an iPad to do "real work" and the thing I do on it most is play World of Warcraft.
This is over a year old, right before the first gen launched. This list is comical as far as products that didn't ship and products that shipped and couldn't compete with the iPad in a meaningful way.
This is why iPhones and iPads endure - they are simply really good at being iDevices which is a category all it's own. They aren't necessarily competing with Android and Blackberry and Microsoft products they are competing against their own standard and everyone else has to step into their arena to compete.
When you set the bar it's kind'a easy to win at what you do.
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admanbunionize your workplaceSeattle, WARegistered Userregular
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Just updated to 4.3 and I had the setting for multitasking gestures available. What's weird is that while I have XCode, use XCode, and may have had XCode running while my iPad was plugged in, I have no memory of ever trying to set it up as a dev machine.
Personally, I want one because I want a competent, portable internet-thing that I can also do other stuff with as necessary, and I cannot abide netbooks with their terrible, tiny screens, worse keyboards and ugly formats. Why would you even want one of those things? Seems everyone I knew a couple of years ago was going crazy for them but they just don't make any sense. What, an underpowered laptop made from the cheapest parts possible trying to run an OS and full-size programs that would make a full-size desktop groan? What possible utility could they have?
Man, unless you buy a seven inch screen for your netbook they don't have tiny screens.
An iPad's screen is 9.7, my netbook is 10.1. Not wanting to argue the merits of netbooks, because you just seem to want to hate them. The reason why people like iPads is that the are excellent media consumption devices.
If you want to do a lot of view of video or the internet they are good devices, if you want to type on a machine regularly they are not so flash.
Personally, I want one because I want a competent, portable internet-thing that I can also do other stuff with as necessary, and I cannot abide netbooks with their terrible, tiny screens, worse keyboards and ugly formats. Why would you even want one of those things? Seems everyone I knew a couple of years ago was going crazy for them but they just don't make any sense. What, an underpowered laptop made from the cheapest parts possible trying to run an OS and full-size programs that would make a full-size desktop groan? What possible utility could they have?
Man, unless you buy a seven inch screen for your netbook they don't have tiny screens.
An iPad's screen is 9.7, my netbook is 10.1. Not wanting to argue the merits of netbooks, because you just seem to want to hate them. The reason why people like iPads is that the are excellent media consumption devices.
If you want to do a lot of view of video or the internet they are good devices, if you want to type on a machine regularly they are not so flash.
I don't think the screen size comparison is as direct as you're making it out to be. Netbooks feel cramped because most desktop applications you're going to be using on them are expecting to run at a higher resolution than is available on a 10.1" 1024x600 Netbook screen. In my experience, I had to adjust my workflow and for anything that uses additional panes and toolbars, like Word or Photoshop, because I just didn't want them taking up space on my screen anymore. The iPad is 1024x768 at 9.7 inches, but every single application on the iPad was built for that resolution, and with that limitation in mind.
The only thing that both netbooks and iPads use is the internet, but MobileSafari's zooming and page resizing is pretty much unrivaled. Even though you're using the same amount of screen space and a similar resolution, the way the pages resize and the ease at which you can zoom in and out or pan around the page makes browsing the iPad feel like a more full-sized experience than browsing on a netbook.
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Man, unless you buy a seven inch screen for your netbook they don't have tiny screens.
An iPad's screen is 9.7, my netbook is 10.1. Not wanting to argue the merits of netbooks, because you just seem to want to hate them. The reason why people like iPads is that the are excellent media consumption devices.
If you want to do a lot of view of video or the internet they are good devices, if you want to type on a machine regularly they are not so flash.
Quite aside from ignoring my other points of contention regarding netbooks, you also missed the other half of my issues with netbook screens; aside from feeling hella cramped trying to run full-up desktop apps the panel quality was (is?) generally terrible - low brightness, low contrast, slow response terrible. Maybe that was just the demo units I saw? Also, you say iPads aren't good for typing? I can type abut five times faster on an iPad with a colemak layout keyboard than I can with any regular layout netbook.
If I "hate" netbooks at all, it's just because they entirely fail to 'work' for me, which was my actual point, in case you missed it. Saying you don't get it is no reason to prejudge people who say they do.
So, this thread is rapidly spiraling away from constructive conversation...
iPads are not desktop computers, laptop computers, or netbooks. Nonetheless, they excel at many things. People like to buy them.
May I suggest that this is a thread where you can find information on one you have purchased, are going to purchase, or would like to consider purchasing. Likewise, allow me to suggest that we please do not argue with people about "why would anyone like this omg it's just an [X] device!", and likewise, let us not argue with people who come in with that opinion anyway.
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I will think they will trickle out over the weeks.... probably two shipments of a few here and there each week at non-apple stores.
I wonder if they expected to sell as many as they did ? Everyone I know was shocked there was lines - we were talking , I think most people thought "I think I am the only one who is upgrading my iPad to the new one" and was shocked to find out almost every one else in line was too.
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A ipad cost next to nothing for you syndalis? i have a feeling you didn't buy the 16gig version and i bet you bought it with 3g so you paid what 700, 800 bucks for it?
yup, that's next to nothing!
(and even if you bought the 16gig wifi version 500 bucks is not exactly chump change)
you have to undertsand that this is not my first rodeo, and I have been trying to get a device like this for the better part of 15 years now.
the closest I hove gotten before this was a Motion Computing WinXP tablet edition device, which had 2-3 hours of battery life, sucked ass at character recognition, needed a pen to interact with the screen, weighed 4 pounds or so, and cost about 3000 dollars.
this device, while it doesnt run traditional software solutions for my needs, does everything that device did at 1/4 to 1/5 the cost, with three times the battery life and about 1/3 the weight.
Interesting. Any idea if there is a Citrix plugin for the iPad?
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A ipad cost next to nothing for you syndalis? i have a feeling you didn't buy the 16gig version and i bet you bought it with 3g so you paid what 700, 800 bucks for it?
yup, that's next to nothing!
(and even if you bought the 16gig wifi version 500 bucks is not exactly chump change)
you have to undertsand that this is not my first rodeo, and I have been trying to get a device like this for the better part of 15 years now.
the closest I hove gotten before this was a Motion Computing WinXP tablet edition device, which had 2-3 hours of battery life, sucked ass at character recognition, needed a pen to interact with the screen, weighed 4 pounds or so, and cost about 3000 dollars.
this device, while it doesnt run traditional software solutions for my needs, does everything that device did at 1/4 to 1/5 the cost, with three times the battery life and about 1/3 the weight.
Interesting. Any idea if there is a Citrix plugin for the iPad?
100% Citrix Metaframe support, at 1024x768 resolution, and keyboard support.
along with all popular flavors of VPN/Firewire connectivity. I ran a highly encrypted Cisco ASA environment to a CMF app server with zero issues for my end users.
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So how long do you guys think it'll take for the stock to refresh?
I'm wondering this myself. I'm checking Best Buy's site for store availability, but I'm not certain how quickly it updates versus physical restocking in stores.
"Oh yeah, the site says we have some, but we got our shipment like 4 hours ago".
My BB is less than 15 minutes away, so any up-to-date info on when they'll restock is crucial.
Plus, the longer I wait until the 3DS launch, the more I may end up nabbing Nintendo's thing instead.
Of course with the 2 years no interest there's nothing stopping me from nabbing BOTH, but I have to decide if that's overkill or not.
So how long do you guys think it'll take for the stock to refresh?
I'm wondering this myself. I'm checking Best Buy's site for store availability, but I'm not certain how quickly it updates versus physical restocking in stores.
"Oh yeah, the site says we have some, but we got our shipment like 4 hours ago".
My BB is less than 15 minutes away, so any up-to-date info on when they'll restock is crucial.
Plus, the longer I wait until the 3DS launch, the more I may end up nabbing Nintendo's thing instead.
Of course with the 2 years no interest there's nothing stopping me from nabbing BOTH, but I have to decide if that's overkill or not.
I'm not sure what's similar enough about the devices that having both would be "overkill", except that they are both moderately pricey electronic devices which you probably don't really need.
The 3DS is a video game console, the iPad is a tablet device. Aside from the fact that they can both play games, there's really not a lot of overlap there. The games they can play are different, the style of play is different, and the control method is different. Whether or not you should buy one is a separate decision from whether or not you should buy the other.
It's not a question of "is the 3DS better than an iPad" or vice versa, it's a question of whether I should put off one for the other.
The 3DS is the cheaper alternative, but there aren't really any launch games worth getting. The iPad 2 will likely remain in that price for a good few years, and currently has a good deal with it (if you buy from Best Buy).
I'm extremely happy with my ipad 2 wifi only 64Gb, but I previously didn't have an ipad at all. The smart cover IS the tits like syndalis said, but I just worry about the back of my ipad while in transit someplace. I need to invest in a new backpack or a messenger bag or something to tote around with me on trips. I have a basic cabelas backpack, but I really need something more suited for electronics like a laptop backpack that has a separate section I can slide the ipad into for safe transportation. I thought of getting a slipcover/sleeve or whatever but it seems stupid when I have a smart cover that i love.
I also tote around my hd camcorder, but it's the size of a coke can, plus cables and various sd cards or usb drives.
edit: actaully a backpack that could accomodate TWO ipads would be best. I need to consider my wife's ipad, and they might as well be stowed in the same backpack.
It's the same as the instructions I posted earlier for XCode 3.2.5, but if you didn't already have XCode, you can pick up 4 on the Mac App Store for $5 and enable the gestures.
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Mr_Rose83 Blue Ridge Protects the HolyRegistered Userregular
edited March 2011
Pity you also need a Mac...though I did just sign up for a free developer acct.
I...I don't know why.
I want to be able to share my iPad with someone but keep them from being able to access my email accounts. Is that possible? I looked under restrictions but the mail app wasn't there.
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I want to be able to share my iPad with someone but keep them from being able to access my email accounts. Is that possible? I looked under restrictions but the mail app wasn't there.
Sadly, no.
iOS desperately needs a user account option, where you can set up a guest account that has it's own safari history and cache, no texting app on the iPhone (with incoming texts hidden but still making noise when one arrives), no access to email, different 3rd party app data, etc.
It's seriously a lacking feature for a class of devices people love to borrow and use.
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So Best Buy is now taking $100 reserves for the iPad, which helps avoid the constant cold calling, but now that it's easy enough to nab one, I have to decide if it's worth the investment.
It would help if I could get a brief list of cool things it can do that an iPhone cannot, any current cons that have yet to be addressed, how easy it would be to jailbreak, and so forth. I know people said it doesn't replace a laptop, but with the additional wireless keyboard and stand (is the stand included?), I don't see why it couldn't, at least as far as web browsing and typing in forums. The majority of my online activity occurs on my desktop anyway, so it's not like I would commit everything computer-related to the iPad.
Basically, I'm looking for usefulness in addition to enjoyment. Keep in mind I'm still not interested in getting a 3G version, unless you can list reasons why I should.
Edit: Here's an additional question for the HDMI connectivity: So I've already heard that you can hook up your iPad to a big screen TV via HDMI, letting you display the iPad's contents on your TV.
I was wondering, can this be done vice-versa? With all the video recording features of the iPad, I was wondering if it was possible (or could be possible in the future) to display footage, say from a video game, let you record it and upload it to YouTube?
I've been considering getting a capture card for just this reason, but if the iPad can or potentially could pull this off, this would be a major deal breaker for me, as it essentially creates an easier and cheaper method to uploading whatever clips you want online.
admanbunionize your workplaceSeattle, WARegistered Userregular
edited March 2011
I think "cant replace a laptop" is a thoroughly inaccurate statement. For a lot of users it will do just that. I think it's more accurate to say that it can't be your only computer.
And in addition to my other question, does the iPad support XBMC? I've recently become enamored with the program as it lets me add many third party video sources that can be streamed directly (YouTube, GiantBomb, etc). If the iPad can handle it or something similar, there's another big reason to nab one.
Of course I could just manually visit those sites, but XBMC makes it easier by listing them all at once.
Anyone here have any experience with the TeamViewer app? I can't seem to get it to receive the inputs from the Apple Bluetooth keyboard--anyone know of any solutions?
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edited March 2011
Tonight I will be ordering an ipad1, wireless keyboard and a nice case.
Speaking of cases, anyone know if something like a leather journal style case made of the ipad 1 would still fit properly on an ipad 2? The answer is probably "maybe" on a case by case basis (get it? case by ca.. nevermind) but I thought I'd ask anyway.
I'm thrilled with my smart cover but my is more obsessive and wants something that cover the back and crap and she really digs the brown leather journal incognito look.
I'm guessing ipad 2 specific cases, if needed, should be out shortly, right?
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Mr_Rose83 Blue Ridge Protects the HolyRegistered Userregular
edited March 2011
Almost certainly. A number of them might even use the magnets/standby trick of the smart cover too.
But since the only dimensional difference between the two is thickness, anything sized for the first will contain the second, though potentially rather loosely depending on how much elastic sis in the strapping.
So the Time Warner app is pretty cool. I can watch a few channels live. It doesn't use the full screen and it looks lie the toolbar on the top is permanent, but for V1.0 I'm pleased!
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All I'm saying is it's not 'next to nothing' dollars
Depends on your disposable income, doesn't it? Arguing semantics around that statement is pointless -- while $700 may be a big purchase for a device for most people, there are certainly those for whom it isn't.
I wouldn't say the iPad cost me next to nothing, but it is the cheapest piece of computing equipment I own (it's cheaper than my iPhone both over time and has a lower replacement cost), and frankly has had me look at my 13" MBP as a pretty ridiculous purchase. Some say the iPad is a toy computer, but I spent twice as much on an MBP as an iPad to do "real work" and the thing I do on it most is play World of Warcraft.
http://mashable.com/2010/01/27/9-upcoming-tablet-alternatives-to-the-apple-ipad/
This is over a year old, right before the first gen launched. This list is comical as far as products that didn't ship and products that shipped and couldn't compete with the iPad in a meaningful way.
This is why iPhones and iPads endure - they are simply really good at being iDevices which is a category all it's own. They aren't necessarily competing with Android and Blackberry and Microsoft products they are competing against their own standard and everyone else has to step into their arena to compete.
When you set the bar it's kind'a easy to win at what you do.
i dont need one at allllllll so i may as well wait until i decide i really need one
i didnt get an iphone until 3gs which is the point i decided i NEED one
where need means really really want
I got to play with an iPad 2 earlier this evening; it's very sexy, but I still feel like my iPad 1 is more than sufficient.
The thing I am the most jealous of? The stupid fucking screen cover. That thing is the tits.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
The line that keeps going through my head is:
"Fuck, I can get two 3DSes at that price."
Edit: Also, did you guys see the benchmarks up against the Xoom?
Holy sheet.
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Man, unless you buy a seven inch screen for your netbook they don't have tiny screens.
An iPad's screen is 9.7, my netbook is 10.1. Not wanting to argue the merits of netbooks, because you just seem to want to hate them. The reason why people like iPads is that the are excellent media consumption devices.
If you want to do a lot of view of video or the internet they are good devices, if you want to type on a machine regularly they are not so flash.
Satans..... hints.....
I don't think the screen size comparison is as direct as you're making it out to be. Netbooks feel cramped because most desktop applications you're going to be using on them are expecting to run at a higher resolution than is available on a 10.1" 1024x600 Netbook screen. In my experience, I had to adjust my workflow and for anything that uses additional panes and toolbars, like Word or Photoshop, because I just didn't want them taking up space on my screen anymore. The iPad is 1024x768 at 9.7 inches, but every single application on the iPad was built for that resolution, and with that limitation in mind.
The only thing that both netbooks and iPads use is the internet, but MobileSafari's zooming and page resizing is pretty much unrivaled. Even though you're using the same amount of screen space and a similar resolution, the way the pages resize and the ease at which you can zoom in and out or pan around the page makes browsing the iPad feel like a more full-sized experience than browsing on a netbook.
If I "hate" netbooks at all, it's just because they entirely fail to 'work' for me, which was my actual point, in case you missed it. Saying you don't get it is no reason to prejudge people who say they do.
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iPads are not desktop computers, laptop computers, or netbooks. Nonetheless, they excel at many things. People like to buy them.
May I suggest that this is a thread where you can find information on one you have purchased, are going to purchase, or would like to consider purchasing. Likewise, allow me to suggest that we please do not argue with people about "why would anyone like this omg it's just an [X] device!", and likewise, let us not argue with people who come in with that opinion anyway.
I wonder if they expected to sell as many as they did ? Everyone I know was shocked there was lines - we were talking , I think most people thought "I think I am the only one who is upgrading my iPad to the new one" and was shocked to find out almost every one else in line was too.
Interesting. Any idea if there is a Citrix plugin for the iPad?
along with all popular flavors of VPN/Firewire connectivity. I ran a highly encrypted Cisco ASA environment to a CMF app server with zero issues for my end users.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
I'm wondering this myself. I'm checking Best Buy's site for store availability, but I'm not certain how quickly it updates versus physical restocking in stores.
"Oh yeah, the site says we have some, but we got our shipment like 4 hours ago".
My BB is less than 15 minutes away, so any up-to-date info on when they'll restock is crucial.
Plus, the longer I wait until the 3DS launch, the more I may end up nabbing Nintendo's thing instead.
Of course with the 2 years no interest there's nothing stopping me from nabbing BOTH, but I have to decide if that's overkill or not.
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I'm not sure what's similar enough about the devices that having both would be "overkill", except that they are both moderately pricey electronic devices which you probably don't really need.
The 3DS is a video game console, the iPad is a tablet device. Aside from the fact that they can both play games, there's really not a lot of overlap there. The games they can play are different, the style of play is different, and the control method is different. Whether or not you should buy one is a separate decision from whether or not you should buy the other.
The 3DS is the cheaper alternative, but there aren't really any launch games worth getting. The iPad 2 will likely remain in that price for a good few years, and currently has a good deal with it (if you buy from Best Buy).
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I also tote around my hd camcorder, but it's the size of a coke can, plus cables and various sd cards or usb drives.
edit: actaully a backpack that could accomodate TWO ipads would be best. I need to consider my wife's ipad, and they might as well be stowed in the same backpack.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/14/how-to-enable-multitasking-gestures-in-ios-4-3/
It's the same as the instructions I posted earlier for XCode 3.2.5, but if you didn't already have XCode, you can pick up 4 on the Mac App Store for $5 and enable the gestures.
I...I don't know why.
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You can also enable them with iFile or via SSH if you're jailbroken. It's just a flag set in one of the .plist files.
Sadly, no.
iOS desperately needs a user account option, where you can set up a guest account that has it's own safari history and cache, no texting app on the iPhone (with incoming texts hidden but still making noise when one arrives), no access to email, different 3rd party app data, etc.
It's seriously a lacking feature for a class of devices people love to borrow and use.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
It would help if I could get a brief list of cool things it can do that an iPhone cannot, any current cons that have yet to be addressed, how easy it would be to jailbreak, and so forth. I know people said it doesn't replace a laptop, but with the additional wireless keyboard and stand (is the stand included?), I don't see why it couldn't, at least as far as web browsing and typing in forums. The majority of my online activity occurs on my desktop anyway, so it's not like I would commit everything computer-related to the iPad.
Basically, I'm looking for usefulness in addition to enjoyment. Keep in mind I'm still not interested in getting a 3G version, unless you can list reasons why I should.
Edit: Here's an additional question for the HDMI connectivity: So I've already heard that you can hook up your iPad to a big screen TV via HDMI, letting you display the iPad's contents on your TV.
I was wondering, can this be done vice-versa? With all the video recording features of the iPad, I was wondering if it was possible (or could be possible in the future) to display footage, say from a video game, let you record it and upload it to YouTube?
I've been considering getting a capture card for just this reason, but if the iPad can or potentially could pull this off, this would be a major deal breaker for me, as it essentially creates an easier and cheaper method to uploading whatever clips you want online.
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And in addition to my other question, does the iPad support XBMC? I've recently become enamored with the program as it lets me add many third party video sources that can be streamed directly (YouTube, GiantBomb, etc). If the iPad can handle it or something similar, there's another big reason to nab one.
Of course I could just manually visit those sites, but XBMC makes it easier by listing them all at once.
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Still very curious about my video-recording proposal though.
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Hopefully it will arrive by the end of the week.
I'm thrilled with my smart cover but my is more obsessive and wants something that cover the back and crap and she really digs the brown leather journal incognito look.
I'm guessing ipad 2 specific cases, if needed, should be out shortly, right?
But since the only dimensional difference between the two is thickness, anything sized for the first will contain the second, though potentially rather loosely depending on how much elastic sis in the strapping.
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Still looking forward to it arriving though.
If you're not going to be gaming, or using Facetime then what's the difference?
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0.2 lbs lighter
13% lighter. Yay numbers!
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