In ME2 every mission dealing with the Collectors should have been a Suicide mission-lite, instead of what we got. It would have been a great way to build up to the main suicide mission.
As for Mass Effect 3? They really need to up the stakes in terms of the possibility of losing squad mates permanently. It needs to be in the vain of the suicide mission where the decisions you make on certain missions will affect who lives and dies, but it needs to be around a hundred times harder than the Suicide Mission.
And really, I think there should be a failure scenario where if you've screwed up enough then the Reapers win.
Also, the game should randomly overheat your console.
And starts shouting curse words at you.
Really just go play a fire emblem game, I'm pretty sure they let you kill off all your own people, since that seems to be a fetish around here.
Um, it's not really a fetish, it's just that the choices you make in the game should matter, the choices should have an effect... a, massive effect if you will.
Bioware sold the entire Mass Effect series on the premise that your choices would matter, so far the choices really haven't mattered in any ways other than superficial ones, which means ME3 is the last chance they have to make them matter, in addition there should also be a lot of tough choices in ME3 itself and some of those tough choices should deal with how you go about carrying out important missions. They need to take the concept of the suicide mission and expand upon it.
I'm not suggesting that every mission should all have the same possibility for squad members to die, but I do think that Bioware should raise the stakes, I mean, Shepard and company are facing the end of all life in the galaxy, it should be really hard to come out of that unscathed.
See, you say all this, but your argument still boils down to "I want more ways to kill my own crew".
In ME2 every mission dealing with the Collectors should have been a Suicide mission-lite, instead of what we got. It would have been a great way to build up to the main suicide mission.
As for Mass Effect 3? They really need to up the stakes in terms of the possibility of losing squad mates permanently. It needs to be in the vain of the suicide mission where the decisions you make on certain missions will affect who lives and dies, but it needs to be around a hundred times harder than the Suicide Mission.
And really, I think there should be a failure scenario where if you've screwed up enough then the Reapers win.
Also, the game should randomly overheat your console.
And starts shouting curse words at you.
Really just go play a fire emblem game, I'm pretty sure they let you kill off all your own people, since that seems to be a fetish around here.
Um, it's not really a fetish, it's just that the choices you make in the game should matter, the choices should have an effect... a, massive effect if you will.
Bioware sold the entire Mass Effect series on the premise that your choices would matter, so far the choices really haven't mattered in any ways other than superficial ones, which means ME3 is the last chance they have to make them matter, in addition there should also be a lot of tough choices in ME3 itself and some of those tough choices should deal with how you go about carrying out important missions. They need to take the concept of the suicide mission and expand upon it.
I'm not suggesting that every mission should all have the same possibility for squad members to die, but I do think that Bioware should raise the stakes, I mean, Shepard and company are facing the end of all life in the galaxy, it should be really hard to come out of that unscathed.
See, you say all this, but your argument still boils down to "I want more ways to kill my own crew".
You are a sick, sick person.
Not really. He just wants the game to have consequences if you screw up. Mass Effect is a series based on your choices and some choices have bad results.
Not really. He just wants the game to have consequences if you screw up. Mass Effect is a series based on your choices and some choices have bad results.
yeah, and my position is when you take genre into account along with bioware's implementation of the renegade/paragon system, you'll never have "good" or "bad" consequences. if you play the game, you will end with success. the degree of that success will depend on your choices, and the "flavor" of that success will depend on your alignment, but never the outcome itself.
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I just want choices to matter, that doesn't mean there has to be a dozen scenarios where you squad members can die, I was just putting that out there as an example of choices you could make in ME3 that would have an immediate result.
Basically I really want Bioware to deliver on their choices will matter statements, I want ME3 to be wildly divergent depending on what you have done in ME1 and ME2.
Aww, just ribbing ya Astra. I understand the impulse-- It's always nice (and exceptionally rare) when games let you have a serious influence on the outcome of the story. But at the same time, I've always felt that Character deaths were a somewhat cheap way to go about doing this. Offing a popular character is basically shorthand for "shit just got real," and I think the Bioware team has proved that such tactics are beneath them
Aww, just ribbing ya Astra. I understand the impulse-- It's always nice (and exceptionally rare) when games let you have a serious influence on the outcome of the story. But at the same time, I've always felt that Character deaths were a somewhat cheap way to go about doing this. Offing a popular character is basically shorthand for "shit just got real," and I think the Bioware team has proved that such tactics are beneath them
Yeah, I don't want Bioware to go kill crazy and have characters dropping like flies, or railroad us into some sort of heroic sacrifice situation because I utterly hate those, but at the same time, it seems like if we are headed towards a final confrontation with the Reapers there should be some big life or death decisions we have to make in ME3.
And I guess the reason I'm so obsessed with the choices mattering, is because I remember way back in 2005 when I read the very first thing about the Mass Effect series. Bioware was hyping it up and talking about how each game would be drastically different based on your choices. At the time it sounded like the game to end all games, now five years and two games later that drastically different thing really hasn't happened, so I'm just hoping that ME3 will fulfill all those things I heard them say about the Mass Effect trilogy 5 years ago.
it should, really. you've got a ton of big decisions that you made in the first two games, and with ME3 bioware doesn't have to deal with infinite permutations because it's the end of shep's storyline.
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if there was a way to nuke BOTH ashley and kaiden on virmire
would you do it or not? i know what i'd do. :P
I'd save them both, Ashley is one of my favorite characters and Kaiden is an okay guy, so I'd save them both from the nuke.
this after all your talk about death and consequences? XD
i kid, i kid
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I never got the hate some people have for Ashley. Sure, she's not as awesome as Garrus or Wrex, but she was a fairly deep character with good motivations for not liking alien races.
It also annoys me when people call her a rascist. She's not, she's a xenophobe or "xenist."
I never got the hate some people have for Ashley. Sure, she's not as awesome as Garrus or Wrex, but she was a fairly deep character with good motivations for not liking alien races.
It also annoys me when people call her a rascist. She's not, she's a xenophobe or "xenist."
I made up that last word. I'm kinda liking it.
Let us not start talking about Ashley and why some people don't like her, it can only end in the use of the words Hitler and or Nazi.
i would consider it a very paragon thing indeed to hunt them all down and kill them. a good retirement for shep after saving the galaxy. spending my golden years killing batarians, my necklace made of their eyes growing heavier every day but never slowing me down
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I wish there are many more missions that involve assigning roles to the unused members of your squad. But instead of them dying when you choose badly, it should just spawn extra enemies for you during the mission.
None of this "I have 12 people but we're only taking 2" crap.
Back when ME2 was in development they were making a big deal out of how much of a key role the Normandy was going to be, how they wanted to make it basically another character in the game, and I floated the idea of having little space-combat interludes where you assigned crew members to various positions throughout the ship like in Skies of Arcadia. Everyone else scoffed but I still think it's an interesting idea.
I wish there are many more missions that involve assigning roles to the unused members of your squad. But instead of them dying when you choose badly, it should just spawn extra enemies for you during the mission.
None of this "I have 12 people but we're only taking 2" crap.
Back when ME2 was in development they were making a big deal out of how much of a key role the Normandy was going to be, how they wanted to make it basically another character in the game, and I floated the idea of having little space-combat interludes where you assigned crew members to various positions throughout the ship like in Skies of Arcadia. Everyone else scoffed but I still think it's an interesting idea.
Also I really want some space combat.
I'm with you on this.
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edited October 2010
Given how poor their track record is with making vehicles fun, I would rather they didn't.
And not ALL the Batarians we met were terrible. The... well. I mean the one guy on Garrus's mission was.. uh. Kind of tolerable?
Didge you're breaking my heart here with this batarian sympathy. The only reason that guy wasn't off a'slavin' or a'murderin' was because he was, at that moment, ill.
The paragon option should have been to slip him some anthrax.
And not ALL the Batarians we met were terrible. The... well. I mean the one guy on Garrus's mission was.. uh. Kind of tolerable?
Didge you're breaking my heart here with this batarian sympathy. The only reason that guy wasn't off a'slavin' or a'murderin' was because he was, at that moment, ill.
The paragon option should have been to slip him some anthrax.
Yeah, I mean, the Batarians are naturally dicks. It's intrinsic to their very nature, it's one of those constants, water is wet, the sky is blue and Batarians is dicks.
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See, you say all this, but your argument still boils down to "I want more ways to kill my own crew".
You are a sick, sick person.
Not really. He just wants the game to have consequences if you screw up. Mass Effect is a series based on your choices and some choices have bad results.
WOAH calm down there buddy
that's crossing the line
yeah, and my position is when you take genre into account along with bioware's implementation of the renegade/paragon system, you'll never have "good" or "bad" consequences. if you play the game, you will end with success. the degree of that success will depend on your choices, and the "flavor" of that success will depend on your alignment, but never the outcome itself.
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Basically I really want Bioware to deliver on their choices will matter statements, I want ME3 to be wildly divergent depending on what you have done in ME1 and ME2.
if there was a way to nuke BOTH ashley and kaiden on virmire
would you do it or not? i know what i'd do. :P
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Definitly kill both. I really hope theres an option in ME3 to kill the survivor.
Going purely by how they act in ME1, I would spare one
Going by how the survivor acts in ME2, they'd both be radioactive dust
Well, at least for my canon run I would save one. Every other time I ran ME1 they'd be doomed.
Yeah, I don't want Bioware to go kill crazy and have characters dropping like flies, or railroad us into some sort of heroic sacrifice situation because I utterly hate those, but at the same time, it seems like if we are headed towards a final confrontation with the Reapers there should be some big life or death decisions we have to make in ME3.
And I guess the reason I'm so obsessed with the choices mattering, is because I remember way back in 2005 when I read the very first thing about the Mass Effect series. Bioware was hyping it up and talking about how each game would be drastically different based on your choices. At the time it sounded like the game to end all games, now five years and two games later that drastically different thing really hasn't happened, so I'm just hoping that ME3 will fulfill all those things I heard them say about the Mass Effect trilogy 5 years ago.
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Why is this even a question? Seriously, Curly.
edit: holy shit grammar brain fart.
I'd save them both, Ashley is one of my favorite characters and Kaiden is an okay guy, so I'd save them both from the nuke.
You sir
You sir are worse than -Tal.
Yes, I know.
this after all your talk about death and consequences? XD
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It also annoys me when people call her a rascist. She's not, she's a xenophobe or "xenist."
I made up that last word. I'm kinda liking it.
Let us not start talking about Ashley and why some people don't like her, it can only end in the use of the words Hitler and or Nazi.
There is no use trying to be reasonable about it.
NO OTHER ANSWER IS ACCEPTIBLE!
There's a Lucy Lawless joke here but I don't have the heart.
See? -Tal isn't always wrong. In the war against batarians, brother
you have my sword.
Doesn't make up for the fact that they're slave-owning assholes!
But still
Batarians whole existence is for the player to hate them
There is no argument when the writers WANTS you to hate them.
And not ALL the Batarians we met were terrible. The... well. I mean the one guy on Garrus's mission was.. uh. Kind of tolerable?
But he works too hard.
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it's part of their very IDENTITY
i would consider it a very paragon thing indeed to hunt them all down and kill them. a good retirement for shep after saving the galaxy. spending my golden years killing batarians, my necklace made of their eyes growing heavier every day but never slowing me down
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Back when ME2 was in development they were making a big deal out of how much of a key role the Normandy was going to be, how they wanted to make it basically another character in the game, and I floated the idea of having little space-combat interludes where you assigned crew members to various positions throughout the ship like in Skies of Arcadia. Everyone else scoffed but I still think it's an interesting idea.
Also I really want some space combat.
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Your average Ashley fan.
Against the geneva convention.
I'm with you on this.
Didge you're breaking my heart here with this batarian sympathy. The only reason that guy wasn't off a'slavin' or a'murderin' was because he was, at that moment, ill.
The paragon option should have been to slip him some anthrax.
Yeah, I mean, the Batarians are naturally dicks. It's intrinsic to their very nature, it's one of those constants, water is wet, the sky is blue and Batarians is dicks.
he would have shot you without hesitation as soon as you revealed yourself
even Zaeed doesn't like working with batarians