We should be careful how we define Kinect's outcome as a success or not.
I mean, with the massive, massive marketing budget, it will surely sell many units. But how many units would it have to sell to really be a success, given a) the massive marketing budget, and b) how much MS is framing this thing as a "new launch" for the Xbox 360.
We should be careful how we define Kinect's outcome as a success or not.
I mean, with the massive, massive marketing budget, it will surely sell many units. But how many units would it have to sell to really be a success, given a) the massive marketing budget, and b) how much MS is framing this thing as a "new launch" for the Xbox 360.
I don't know, when does it come out? Have they been advertising it? I have yet to see anything...
We should be careful how we define Kinect's outcome as a success or not.
I mean, with the massive, massive marketing budget, it will surely sell many units. But how many units would it have to sell to really be a success, given a) the massive marketing budget, and b) how much MS is framing this thing as a "new launch" for the Xbox 360.
But isn't it a defining feature of the casual market that word of mouth post launch is more important than advertising and pre-launch hype?
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Careful slash, if you do anything aside from declare Kinect a failure already, you'll be called a shill or a plant.
how much MS is framing this thing as a "new launch" for the Xbox 360.
Have they said anything to this effect, though? I think this is just the internet echo chamber in effect. People saying, "wow, they're spending enough money on this to treat it like a whole new re-unveiling of the 360!" when they haven't stated anything decisively.
We should be careful how we define Kinect's outcome as a success or not.
I mean, with the massive, massive marketing budget, it will surely sell many units. But how many units would it have to sell to really be a success, given a) the massive marketing budget, and b) how much MS is framing this thing as a "new launch" for the Xbox 360.
how much MS is framing this thing as a "new launch" for the Xbox 360.
Have they said anything to this effect, though? I think this is just the internet echo chamber in effect. People saying, "wow, they're spending enough money on this to treat it like a whole new re-unveiling of the 360!" when they haven't stated anything decisively.
Maybe I'm wrong.
September 2010, Microsoft Xbox product director Aaron Greenberg:
" We're treating the launch of Kinect as an entirely new platform launch, as almost a new generation. For us that does extend the product life cycle."
The half a billion dollar marketing "launch" certainly supports that sort of perspective.
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That's kind of a dangerous statement to make, because it might give Sony or Nintendo an advantage of unveiling the actual next gen hardware sooner than MS would. Then again, MS was the one with their foot in the door a year ahead of the other two. Also makes official the sort of banter we've had here about Move and Kinect artificially extending this console gen a bit.
We should be careful how we define Kinect's outcome as a success or not.
I mean, with the massive, massive marketing budget, it will surely sell many units. But how many units would it have to sell to really be a success, given a) the massive marketing budget, and b) how much MS is framing this thing as a "new launch" for the Xbox 360.
If MS isn't bullshitting about treating it as a new launch, WiiFit-like sales wouldn't be good if nobody develops much for it.
In fact, the way Xbox Japan general manager Takashi Sensui sees it, his company's Kinect device is nothing short of the platform's future. "The Kinect can truly be called a relaunch for the Xbox 360," he told Famitsu magazine in an interview published this week, "and we have high expectations for it in the Japan market as well
So I guess it depends on what you mean by "microsoft". At least one representative is on record as saying it.
I don't read Japanese (yet?) so I can't confirm the quote, though.
In fact, the way Xbox Japan general manager Takashi Sensui sees it, his company's Kinect device is nothing short of the platform's future. "The Kinect can truly be called a relaunch for the Xbox 360," he told Famitsu magazine in an interview published this week, "and we have high expectations for it in the Japan market as well
So I guess it depends on what you mean by "microsoft". At least one representative is on record as saying it.
I don't read Japanese (yet?) so I can't confirm the quote, though.
That plus the Aaron Greenberg quote I posted above.
So it's definitely a sentiment that is being echoed by some MS people.
Surely the way to measure whether the Move or the Kinect has been the most successful is by seeing whether it's Microsoft or Sony that make the first move to a next generation of console?
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I would pretty much guarantee kinect won't be a failure. It may not be a big success when it launches but it's coming from a company that basically bought their way into the console market with a console that was a commercial failure for years; the xbox was a small black hole for money. They have the money to throw at a problem until it works out in their favour, and they will be willing to play the long game and keep backing it until it's profitable and accepted as a standard piece of gaming hardware.
It's clear that the technology in kinect isn't going anywhere, it will be a standard feature of their next console just as motion controls (and possibly cameras) will be for all consoles of future generations. It makes sense that they wouldn't have even built the thing if they weren't prepared to prop it up if it under-performs.
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So they expect the Kinect to take off in Japan. A country that has had a lukewarm, at BEST, response to the Xbox AND that is well known for having small-ass living spaces?
What the fuck are these people on? This is some seriously fucked-up kool-aid.
So they expect the Kinect to take off in Japan. A country that has had a lukewarm, at BEST, response to the Xbox AND that is well known for having small-ass living spaces?
What the fuck are these people on? This is some seriously fucked-up kool-aid.
The XBox 360 is the best console to own if you're an English speaker living in Asia because 95% of the time, they don't bother to translate the games into the local language.
The one thing that would make me buy a Kinect is an RPG or RTS that involves drawing out magic spells.
I'm not talking about the little Black and White two dimensional shapes bullshit. I'm talking about what some of the Xenosaga characters do. They start writing out these awesome looking magic symbols and watch it turn into an explosion. Such spells would involve things including, but not limited to, drawing out a symbol, manipulating objects inside the symbol like beads on an abacus, spinning the whole thing around, and then throwing it like a Frisbee at a motherfucker to watch them explode.
Yeah.
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I would pretty much guarantee kinect won't be a failure. It may not be a big success when it launches but it's coming from a company that basically bought their way into the console market with a console that was a commercial failure for years; the xbox was a small black hole for money. They have the money to throw at a problem until it works out in their favour, and they will be willing to play the long game and keep backing it until it's profitable and accepted as a standard piece of gaming hardware.
It's clear that the technology in kinect isn't going anywhere, it will be a standard feature of their next console just as motion controls (and possibly cameras) will be for all consoles of future generations. It makes sense that they wouldn't have even built the thing if they weren't prepared to prop it up if it under-performs.
It's almost as if they're getting all the potential pitfalls worked out now, so that they can throw everything that works as a pack in on the next console, alongside a comfortable amount of experiance backing it. Which if it works out would save tremendous amounts long term.
I would pretty much guarantee kinect won't be a failure. It may not be a big success when it launches but it's coming from a company that basically bought their way into the console market with a console that was a commercial failure for years; the xbox was a small black hole for money. They have the money to throw at a problem until it works out in their favour, and they will be willing to play the long game and keep backing it until it's profitable and accepted as a standard piece of gaming hardware.
It's clear that the technology in kinect isn't going anywhere, it will be a standard feature of their next console just as motion controls (and possibly cameras) will be for all consoles of future generations. It makes sense that they wouldn't have even built the thing if they weren't prepared to prop it up if it under-performs.
It's almost as if they're getting all the potential pitfalls worked out now, so that they can throw everything that works as a pack in on the next console, alongside a comfortable amount of experiance backing it. Which if it works out would save tremendous amounts long term.
They basically said as much when it was announced as Natal. That it would incorporated into their next console as standard but they decided to release it now as a peripheral for the 360, thus giving it a back catalog and plenty of developer experience when it comes to the launch of the next gen. I'm pretty sure they're prepared to take a loss on it right now for the future benefits.
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The one thing that would make me buy a Kinect is an RPG or RTS that involves drawing out magic spells.
Right, because that was such a blast when Konami did that for Castlevania: DoS.
Did you not read the rest of his post? Actually flinging spells at things sounds rad as hell.
Not to mention in DoS there was only some weird trace thingy going on, no actual spell manipulation/flinging. There were a few spell creation and manipulation games made in japan for both the DS and the Wii. A couple by Nintendo even. None ever came out over here though.
I would pretty much guarantee kinect won't be a failure. It may not be a big success when it launches but it's coming from a company that basically bought their way into the console market with a console that was a commercial failure for years; the xbox was a small black hole for money. They have the money to throw at a problem until it works out in their favour, and they will be willing to play the long game and keep backing it until it's profitable and accepted as a standard piece of gaming hardware.
This is a different situation, though.
A gaming console was a time-tested and instantly popular/recognizable idea, and their controller was about the same as the others. They were trying to get you to spend $300(?) same as the other guys. With this, they need to get people to buy the base console and then spend another wad on top of that, something the other guys are only lazily pursuing with stuff like Wii Fit.
They're exceptionally late to the motion control party with a decidedly imperfect technology; the XBox wasn't this far off of what the others had done. And it wasn't targeting a new and unfamiliar market either, one that can be fickle, one that might decide they really only need those two fitness games they bought a year ago. This is a far tougher battle than the one the XBox fought.
It's clear that the technology in kinect isn't going anywhere
Now this is true for at least the next 5 or 10 years.
That's actually far more doable with Move than with Kinect. They're already doing that sort of thing with the Eyepet, they've got the precise detection of the controller, and even the wand shape and feel.
That's actually far more doable with Move than with Kinect. They're already doing that sort of thing with the Eyepet, they've got the precise detection of the controller, and even the wand shape and feel.
I would pretty much guarantee kinect won't be a failure. It may not be a big success when it launches but it's coming from a company that basically bought their way into the console market with a console that was a commercial failure for years; the xbox was a small black hole for money. They have the money to throw at a problem until it works out in their favour, and they will be willing to play the long game and keep backing it until it's profitable and accepted as a standard piece of gaming hardware.
This is a different situation, though.
A gaming console was a time-tested and instantly popular/recognizable idea, and their controller was about the same as the others. They were trying to get you to spend $300(?) same as the other guys. With this, they need to get people to buy the base console and then spend another wad on top of that, something the other guys are only lazily pursuing with stuff like Wii Fit.
The XBox 360 4GB Kinect bundle is $300. That's only $50 more expensive than what the Wii cost when it was released and the gap is even less when you take into account inflation.
I would pretty much guarantee kinect won't be a failure. It may not be a big success when it launches but it's coming from a company that basically bought their way into the console market with a console that was a commercial failure for years; the xbox was a small black hole for money. They have the money to throw at a problem until it works out in their favour, and they will be willing to play the long game and keep backing it until it's profitable and accepted as a standard piece of gaming hardware.
This is a different situation, though.
A gaming console was a time-tested and instantly popular/recognizable idea, and their controller was about the same as the others. They were trying to get you to spend $300(?) same as the other guys. With this, they need to get people to buy the base console and then spend another wad on top of that, something the other guys are only lazily pursuing with stuff like Wii Fit.
The XBox 360 4GB Kinect bundle is $300. That's only $50 more expensive than what the Wii cost when it was released and the gap is even less when you take into account inflation.
Well that's good. Now all they have to do is convince people that they need a second Wii at an inflated price.
I'm willing to bet that Kinect will heartily beat the Move, by amount spent in advertising alone. As a tech its definitely interesting, its just that details and performances have been less than stellar. Which advertising and interest will easily overcome.
But seriously when comparing the Sony strategy of the Move which is like "hey we got this neat thing", to the MS strategy of Kinect which is throw money at everything. There is no way possible that the Move is going to come out ahead from a sales standpoint, and i'm betting THAT is going to be a point defining Kinects success.
I would pretty much guarantee kinect won't be a failure. It may not be a big success when it launches but it's coming from a company that basically bought their way into the console market with a console that was a commercial failure for years; the xbox was a small black hole for money. They have the money to throw at a problem until it works out in their favour, and they will be willing to play the long game and keep backing it until it's profitable and accepted as a standard piece of gaming hardware.
This is a different situation, though.
A gaming console was a time-tested and instantly popular/recognizable idea, and their controller was about the same as the others. They were trying to get you to spend $300(?) same as the other guys. With this, they need to get people to buy the base console and then spend another wad on top of that, something the other guys are only lazily pursuing with stuff like Wii Fit.
The XBox 360 4GB Kinect bundle is $300. That's only $50 more expensive than what the Wii cost when it was released and the gap is even less when you take into account inflation.
Well that's good. Now all they have to do is convince people that they need a second Wii at an inflated price.
No, that's what Sony needs to do. All Microsoft needs to do is convince people that Kinect isn't a second Wii, but is in fact some cool new technology that has never been seen before.
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I mean, with the massive, massive marketing budget, it will surely sell many units. But how many units would it have to sell to really be a success, given a) the massive marketing budget, and b) how much MS is framing this thing as a "new launch" for the Xbox 360.
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I don't know, when does it come out? Have they been advertising it? I have yet to see anything...
But isn't it a defining feature of the casual market that word of mouth post launch is more important than advertising and pre-launch hype?
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Have they said anything to this effect, though? I think this is just the internet echo chamber in effect. People saying, "wow, they're spending enough money on this to treat it like a whole new re-unveiling of the 360!" when they haven't stated anything decisively.
Maybe I'm wrong.
More than 3.333 million.
September 2010, Microsoft Xbox product director Aaron Greenberg:
The half a billion dollar marketing "launch" certainly supports that sort of perspective.
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If MS isn't bullshitting about treating it as a new launch, WiiFit-like sales wouldn't be good if nobody develops much for it.
So I guess it depends on what you mean by "microsoft". At least one representative is on record as saying it.
I don't read Japanese (yet?) so I can't confirm the quote, though.
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That plus the Aaron Greenberg quote I posted above.
So it's definitely a sentiment that is being echoed by some MS people.
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Yet....
They did put one in a commercial for WoW a year back however.
I would pretty much guarantee kinect won't be a failure. It may not be a big success when it launches but it's coming from a company that basically bought their way into the console market with a console that was a commercial failure for years; the xbox was a small black hole for money. They have the money to throw at a problem until it works out in their favour, and they will be willing to play the long game and keep backing it until it's profitable and accepted as a standard piece of gaming hardware.
It's clear that the technology in kinect isn't going anywhere, it will be a standard feature of their next console just as motion controls (and possibly cameras) will be for all consoles of future generations. It makes sense that they wouldn't have even built the thing if they weren't prepared to prop it up if it under-performs.
What the fuck are these people on? This is some seriously fucked-up kool-aid.
The XBox 360 is the best console to own if you're an English speaker living in Asia because 95% of the time, they don't bother to translate the games into the local language.
And people wonder why it doesn't sell...
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I'm not talking about the little Black and White two dimensional shapes bullshit. I'm talking about what some of the Xenosaga characters do. They start writing out these awesome looking magic symbols and watch it turn into an explosion. Such spells would involve things including, but not limited to, drawing out a symbol, manipulating objects inside the symbol like beads on an abacus, spinning the whole thing around, and then throwing it like a Frisbee at a motherfucker to watch them explode.
Yeah.
Right, because that was such a blast when Konami did that for Castlevania: DoS.
It's almost as if they're getting all the potential pitfalls worked out now, so that they can throw everything that works as a pack in on the next console, alongside a comfortable amount of experiance backing it. Which if it works out would save tremendous amounts long term.
Did you not read the rest of his post? Actually flinging spells at things sounds rad as hell.
They basically said as much when it was announced as Natal. That it would incorporated into their next console as standard but they decided to release it now as a peripheral for the 360, thus giving it a back catalog and plenty of developer experience when it comes to the launch of the next gen. I'm pretty sure they're prepared to take a loss on it right now for the future benefits.
To be fair, they made you take your hands off the buttons to do those. With Kinect it might be more organic.
I dunno, guys. Lately I've been thinking about Kinect actually being a hit.
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Not to mention in DoS there was only some weird trace thingy going on, no actual spell manipulation/flinging. There were a few spell creation and manipulation games made in japan for both the DS and the Wii. A couple by Nintendo even. None ever came out over here though.
This is a different situation, though.
A gaming console was a time-tested and instantly popular/recognizable idea, and their controller was about the same as the others. They were trying to get you to spend $300(?) same as the other guys. With this, they need to get people to buy the base console and then spend another wad on top of that, something the other guys are only lazily pursuing with stuff like Wii Fit.
They're exceptionally late to the motion control party with a decidedly imperfect technology; the XBox wasn't this far off of what the others had done. And it wasn't targeting a new and unfamiliar market either, one that can be fickle, one that might decide they really only need those two fitness games they bought a year ago. This is a far tougher battle than the one the XBox fought.
Now this is true for at least the next 5 or 10 years.
And yet this thread spent pages pointing out that MS suggests eight feet of space in front of the TV...
This sort of thing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbm0TSthp5o
That's actually far more doable with Move than with Kinect. They're already doing that sort of thing with the Eyepet, they've got the precise detection of the controller, and even the wand shape and feel.
Kinda like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llAI7lNd6OQ
The XBox 360 4GB Kinect bundle is $300. That's only $50 more expensive than what the Wii cost when it was released and the gap is even less when you take into account inflation.
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Well that's good. Now all they have to do is convince people that they need a second Wii at an inflated price.
But seriously when comparing the Sony strategy of the Move which is like "hey we got this neat thing", to the MS strategy of Kinect which is throw money at everything. There is no way possible that the Move is going to come out ahead from a sales standpoint, and i'm betting THAT is going to be a point defining Kinects success.
No, that's what Sony needs to do. All Microsoft needs to do is convince people that Kinect isn't a second Wii, but is in fact some cool new technology that has never been seen before.
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Wouldn't it be cool if Sony had Kinect and then did 3D and had the screens zoom up to you to let you "interface" with it?
Think of it as that laser keyboard thing that came out a few years ago.