I love how cynical the Wii has made all of us. When the Wii was about to come out, people were imagining a million possibilities for cool games. Then the shortcomings of the controller set in and hardly anyone other than Nintendo supported the thing with anything other than shovelware. Now, the Kinect is about to come out and people just assume that everything for it now and in the future is going to be garbage.
if i had even an inkling of an idea that kinect could do anything as fun as wii sports, boom blox or hotd: overkill i'd support it as a worthy, if risky pursuit
Also, a very important distinction: the Wii's problem isn't the controls, it's the games.
No developers have said, yeah man, we gave it our best effort but the controls are just too limited to make anything worthwhile. No developers have even given it their best effort! There have been racing games that control just fine, the problem is that they're shoddy ports of old games for the other consoles. Same for FPSs. The Wii got Call of Duty 4 what, 2 years too late?
Pointer controls are well-liked, but poorly supported, and people want them in high def. That's where Move comes in. The Wii had potential and Move does as well. It's got tight controls and plays fine, almost universally praised.
Not so with Kinect.
Don't pretend that the Wii was awful and disillusioned everyone on motion controls, Move has that same spark. Kinect doesn't have any potential.
I like motion controls when they're not shoved up in my face. All my favourite wii games use them in conjunction with traditional controls and they often end up being invisible, I never really have to think about them, they're just another input.
Ironically with kinect it seems like, despite it being "no controller at all!", the controls will never be invisible.
Also, a very important distinction: the Wii's problem isn't the controls, it's the games.
No developers have said, yeah man, we gave it our best effort but the controls are just too limited to make anything worthwhile. No developers have even given it their best effort! There have been racing games that control just fine, the problem is that they're shoddy ports of old games for the other consoles. Same for FPSs. The Wii got Call of Duty 4 what, 2 years too late?
Pointer controls are well-liked, but poorly supported, and people want them in high def. That's where Move comes in. The Wii had potential and Move does as well. It's got tight controls and plays fine, almost universally praised.
Not so with Kinect.
Don't pretend that the Wii was awful and disillusioned everyone on motion controls, Move has that same spark. Kinect doesn't have any potential.
So you're definitely saying that tech limitations mean guaranteed failure?
Because I'm pretty sure that you won't be able to push the tech envelope if the best you can come up with is an IR remote or the equivalent of motion capture balls taped to sticks. Shit like Kinect won't get better if we don't do anything with it now. The Wii remote and Move are limited because they can't do anything else. Kinect is limited because it can't do anything else, yet.
SONY was out of their mind to push a $600 system just for Blu-Ray. But they won the format war (for now) and people started buying the thing when it was affordable. It took time and it cost an assload of money, but the PS3 is a definite qualified success.
Nintendo was crazy to eschew standard gaming control interface... Seems to have been a practical gamble.
As stupid as Kinect is, I refuse to call it an abject failure before it hits the wild simply because it isn't using the same development as copying everybody else.
This is not with regard to sales or future consoles 10 years down the road, this is strictly based on present technology and the games made possible due to the technology.
The Wii and Move simply have more potential due to their much higher precision and use of buttons. Kinect only has potential inasmuch as devs are willing/allowed to use the controller in conjunction with it.
This is not with regard to sales or future consoles 10 years down the road, this is strictly based on present technology and the games made possible due to the technology.
The Wii and Move simply have more potential due to their much higher precision and use of buttons. Kinect only has potential inasmuch as devs are willing/allowed to use the controller in conjunction with it.
What about Dance Central? From what I've heard, all of the previews of that game have been great and it's the sort of game that just wouldn't be as good with a controller or a dance pad.
did you ever play just dance? that was great, too - great fun based on fantastic presentation and, more importantly, clever illusion. but it was just that - illusion. the fun was in the fact that dancing is fun, and anything that tricks you into doing it will come off as wonderful. the specific technology of a dancing game is no more integral or necessary than the music choice or the way the characters are animated. in fact, the less the technology manifests itself and tries to constrain yo' sweet funky grooves, the better
This is not with regard to sales or future consoles 10 years down the road, this is strictly based on present technology and the games made possible due to the technology.
The Wii and Move simply have more potential due to their much higher precision and use of buttons. Kinect only has potential inasmuch as devs are willing/allowed to use the controller in conjunction with it.
What about Dance Central? From what I've heard, all of the previews of that game have been great and it's the sort of game that just wouldn't be as good with a controller or a dance pad.
the fact that it was not part of the bundle in PAL LAND was a disastrous mistake, and considering eurozone has always been sony's launchpad in the past it's probably the one big thing that will stop it from ever taking off any more than the eyetoy did.
I'm going to go ahead and completely disagree with you there. For me, someone that has no interest at all in Sports Champions, I by FAR prefer our bundle to yours. Why? Because ours is actually pretty cheap. NZ$100, which while still kinda expensive when directly converting to US dollars, is actually pretty cheap compared to games and accessories (the standard game is NZ$110-120). Kinect's a pretty good example of that actually, it's launching at NZ$220.
I love how cynical the Wii has made all of us. When the Wii was about to come out, people were imagining a million possibilities for cool games. Then the shortcomings of the controller set in and hardly anyone other than Nintendo supported the thing with anything other than shovelware. Now, the Kinect is about to come out and people just assume that everything for it now and in the future is going to be garbage.
Uh, it wasn't the shortcomings of the controller that set in, it was just the slow nature of game design really. Designers very rarely experiment, they usually just stick with things that've worked in other games. Just look at the way platformers imitated Mario 64 or how RE4's camera was adopted in nearly every third person game after it came out.
So what exactly are they going to imitate for Kinect games? Microsoft? Oh wait, no, they're imitating Nintendo...
the fact that it was not part of the bundle in PAL LAND was a disastrous mistake, and considering eurozone has always been sony's launchpad in the past it's probably the one big thing that will stop it from ever taking off any more than the eyetoy did.
I'm going to go ahead and completely disagree with you there. For me, someone that has no interest at all in Sports Champions, I by FAR prefer our bundle to yours. Why? Because ours is actually pretty cheap. NZ$100, which while still kinda expensive when directly converting to US dollars, is actually pretty cheap compared to games and accessories (the standard game is NZ$110-120). Kinect's a pretty good example of that actually, it's launching at NZ$220.
have you played much of sports champions though? it's hard to get a good feel from the demo, i had to trust exterior impressions of the deeper stages of play - tycho's post about bocce, reviews, gaf - but it really is a good product and i just don't think it's ever been presented in a way that it can succeed. on it's lonesome it's a soulless looking case, easily mistaken for a third-party cash-in to fill out the launch range (which seems to be headed up by eyepet) - when in truth it's the only thing out at the moment that justifies the investment
in fact, the less the technology manifests itself and tries to constrain yo' sweet funky grooves, the better
This just seems to argue in favour of Kinect, since it's about the furthest anyone's gotten from constraint by control mechanism in the dancing genre.
what i meant by that is the only thing it can really do by measuring your motions in an accurate way is try to change them
Other than the whole measuring thing, all games attempt to alter how you might initially play if your intention is to get good at them. Especially Simon Says gameplay...
'Act like a goon' is a hard point to sell, otherwise.
Also, a very important distinction: the Wii's problem isn't the controls, it's the games.
No developers have said, yeah man, we gave it our best effort but the controls are just too limited to make anything worthwhile. No developers have even given it their best effort! There have been racing games that control just fine, the problem is that they're shoddy ports of old games for the other consoles. Same for FPSs. The Wii got Call of Duty 4 what, 2 years too late?
Pointer controls are well-liked, but poorly supported, and people want them in high def. That's where Move comes in. The Wii had potential and Move does as well. It's got tight controls and plays fine, almost universally praised.
Not so with Kinect.
Don't pretend that the Wii was awful and disillusioned everyone on motion controls, Move has that same spark. Kinect doesn't have any potential.
I pretty much disagree with most of this post.
If pointer controls were so well liked and in demand, why do Wii FPS' constantly undersell?
in fact, the less the technology manifests itself and tries to constrain yo' sweet funky grooves, the better
This just seems to argue in favour of Kinect, since it's about the furthest anyone's gotten from constraint by control mechanism in the dancing genre.
what i meant by that is the only thing it can really do by measuring your motions in an accurate way is try to change them
Other than the whole measuring thing, all games attempt to alter how you might initially play if your intention is to get good at them. Especially Simon Says gameplay...
'Act like a goon' is a hard point to sell, otherwise.
edit: er, hang on
*cough* as i was saying, i'm not sure the intention of a dancing game is 'getting good at it'. it's, well, yeah - an excuse for acting like a goon, preferably with a half a bottle of bubbly down your gullet and with some deliciously cheesy music turned up loud. it's like singstar - the level of feedback was so irrelevant that realistically it could have been an input-free karaoke dvd, but it was presented slickly and there were some feeble gestures at it being a 'game', and a success it became. the idea foremost when you played singstar was never to beat its hardest mode
Also, a very important distinction: the Wii's problem isn't the controls, it's the games.
No developers have said, yeah man, we gave it our best effort but the controls are just too limited to make anything worthwhile. No developers have even given it their best effort! There have been racing games that control just fine, the problem is that they're shoddy ports of old games for the other consoles. Same for FPSs. The Wii got Call of Duty 4 what, 2 years too late?
Pointer controls are well-liked, but poorly supported, and people want them in high def. That's where Move comes in. The Wii had potential and Move does as well. It's got tight controls and plays fine, almost universally praised.
Not so with Kinect.
Don't pretend that the Wii was awful and disillusioned everyone on motion controls, Move has that same spark. Kinect doesn't have any potential.
I pretty much disagree with most of this post.
If pointer controls were so well liked and in demand, why do Wii FPS' constantly undersell?
Because the games suck? The CoD games sell decently and they're just down-ports. I can't think of a decent fps outside of the Metroid Trilogy.
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in fact, the less the technology manifests itself and tries to constrain yo' sweet funky grooves, the better
This just seems to argue in favour of Kinect, since it's about the furthest anyone's gotten from constraint by control mechanism in the dancing genre.
what i meant by that is the only thing it can really do by measuring your motions in an accurate way is try to change them
Other than the whole measuring thing, all games attempt to alter how you might initially play if your intention is to get good at them. Especially Simon Says gameplay...
'Act like a goon' is a hard point to sell, otherwise.
edit: er, hang on
*cough* as i was saying, i'm not sure the intention of a dancing game is 'getting good at it'. it's, well, yeah - an excuse for acting like a goon, preferably with a half a bottle of bubbly down your gullet and with some deliciously cheesy music turned up loud. it's like singstar - the level of feedback was so irrelevant that realistically it could have been an input-free karaoke dvd, but it was presented slickly and there were some feeble gestures at it being a 'game', and a success it became. the idea foremost when you played singstar was never to beat its hardest mode
For most it's not about beating the hardest mode, but it is generally satisfying to feel a sense of accomplishment. Otherwise there's no reason that people would play Rock Band on anything but 'Easy'.
I mean, if you don't want to be scored in any particular way, then what's to stop you from just, you know, dancing?
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It's incredible how strongly people feel about Kinect, goddamn.
Sporky has a point regarding Wii games, by the way.
Also, a very important distinction: the Wii's problem isn't the controls, it's the games.
No developers have said, yeah man, we gave it our best effort but the controls are just too limited to make anything worthwhile. No developers have even given it their best effort! There have been racing games that control just fine, the problem is that they're shoddy ports of old games for the other consoles. Same for FPSs. The Wii got Call of Duty 4 what, 2 years too late?
Pointer controls are well-liked, but poorly supported, and people want them in high def. That's where Move comes in. The Wii had potential and Move does as well. It's got tight controls and plays fine, almost universally praised.
Not so with Kinect.
Don't pretend that the Wii was awful and disillusioned everyone on motion controls, Move has that same spark. Kinect doesn't have any potential.
I pretty much disagree with most of this post.
If pointer controls were so well liked and in demand, why do Wii FPS' constantly undersell?
Because people who play FPS mostly have been told repeatedly that Wii is for casuals and to get your "core" games elsewhere.
Also, a very important distinction: the Wii's problem isn't the controls, it's the games.
No developers have said, yeah man, we gave it our best effort but the controls are just too limited to make anything worthwhile. No developers have even given it their best effort! There have been racing games that control just fine, the problem is that they're shoddy ports of old games for the other consoles. Same for FPSs. The Wii got Call of Duty 4 what, 2 years too late?
Pointer controls are well-liked, but poorly supported, and people want them in high def. That's where Move comes in. The Wii had potential and Move does as well. It's got tight controls and plays fine, almost universally praised.
Not so with Kinect.
Don't pretend that the Wii was awful and disillusioned everyone on motion controls, Move has that same spark. Kinect doesn't have any potential.
I pretty much disagree with most of this post.
If pointer controls were so well liked and in demand, why do Wii FPS' constantly undersell?
Because they are bad? And even if they are good they are subpar to their HD system counterparts not to mention usually completely ignored by the Wii's main install base in favor of Nintendo first party games.
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I didn't know game quality was determined by sales numbers.
I didn't know game quality was determined by sales numbers.
It's not. Just look at the HALO games.
I believe the Ur example for shitty game that sells gangbusters is the 50 cent games. Everybody shat on the first one, and yet everybody bought it too. I guess the second one didn't blow too much donkey ass though, from what people have said? Though the fact that they made a second one says enough right there...
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in fact, the less the technology manifests itself and tries to constrain yo' sweet funky grooves, the better
This just seems to argue in favour of Kinect, since it's about the furthest anyone's gotten from constraint by control mechanism in the dancing genre.
what i meant by that is the only thing it can really do by measuring your motions in an accurate way is try to change them
Other than the whole measuring thing, all games attempt to alter how you might initially play if your intention is to get good at them. Especially Simon Says gameplay...
'Act like a goon' is a hard point to sell, otherwise.
edit: er, hang on
*cough* as i was saying, i'm not sure the intention of a dancing game is 'getting good at it'. it's, well, yeah - an excuse for acting like a goon, preferably with a half a bottle of bubbly down your gullet and with some deliciously cheesy music turned up loud. it's like singstar - the level of feedback was so irrelevant that realistically it could have been an input-free karaoke dvd, but it was presented slickly and there were some feeble gestures at it being a 'game', and a success it became. the idea foremost when you played singstar was never to beat its hardest mode
For most it's not about beating the hardest mode, but it is generally satisfying to feel a sense of accomplishment. Otherwise there's no reason that people would play Rock Band on anything but 'Easy'.
I mean, if you don't want to be scored in any particular way, then what's to stop you from just, you know, dancing?
the difference with rockband / guitar hero is that there is precise measurement based on technical skill, and victory isn't about learning the tricks of the illusion and exploiting them, but mastering a consistent and simple to understand challenge
and nothing's stopping me from just dancing - i do it all the time! some people get stuck up with this horrible thing called social convention, though, and they need excuses to let out their natural primal urges. don't be a sheep, man, take off your clothes and get naked with me
I didn't know game quality was determined by sales numbers.
It's not. Just look at the HALO games.
I believe the Ur example for shitty game that sells gangbusters is the 50 cent games. Everybody shat on the first one, and yet everybody bought it too. I guess the second one didn't blow too much donkey ass though, from what people have said? Though the fact that they made a second one says enough right there...
It didn't "not blow too much donkey ass"
50 Cent: Blood on the Sand kicks ass left and right, assuming you play it co-op
This is not with regard to sales or future consoles 10 years down the road, this is strictly based on present technology and the games made possible due to the technology.
The Wii and Move simply have more potential due to their much higher precision and use of buttons. Kinect only has potential inasmuch as devs are willing/allowed to use the controller in conjunction with it.
What about Dance Central? From what I've heard, all of the previews of that game have been great and it's the sort of game that just wouldn't be as good with a controller or a dance pad.
What ABOUT Dance Central?
It looks amazing
That's what
I'm almost willing to buy a Kinect for it alone (and it would be that alone, because nothing else for it looks interesting so far)
Also, a very important distinction: the Wii's problem isn't the controls, it's the games.
No developers have said, yeah man, we gave it our best effort but the controls are just too limited to make anything worthwhile. No developers have even given it their best effort! There have been racing games that control just fine, the problem is that they're shoddy ports of old games for the other consoles. Same for FPSs. The Wii got Call of Duty 4 what, 2 years too late?
Pointer controls are well-liked, but poorly supported, and people want them in high def. That's where Move comes in. The Wii had potential and Move does as well. It's got tight controls and plays fine, almost universally praised.
Not so with Kinect.
Don't pretend that the Wii was awful and disillusioned everyone on motion controls, Move has that same spark. Kinect doesn't have any potential.
I pretty much disagree with most of this post.
If pointer controls were so well liked and in demand, why do Wii FPS' constantly undersell?
Because the Wii gets the crappy scraps of the genre, while the PS3, 360 and PC get the delicious flesh. If you're a FPS fan, why would you starve yourself on scraps when you can be a fatass on the HD systems?
50 Cent: Blood on the Sand didn't sell well enough to not get the dev shut down.
I still don't understand why those fuckers bought them in the first place if they couldn't afford to keep them all afloat. Swordfish were a good studio, founded by former Rage employees.
I love how cynical the Wii has made all of us. When the Wii was about to come out, people were imagining a million possibilities for cool games. Then the shortcomings of the controller set in and hardly anyone other than Nintendo supported the thing with anything other than shovelware. Now, the Kinect is about to come out and people just assume that everything for it now and in the future is going to be garbage.
Compare the Kinect's announced library to the Move's and you'll see why people are leery
The 360 library is drastically better than the Gamecube library. Plus you still get the oXBox back compatibility.
Don't be coming in here and saying this shit like it's fact. I don't come into every thread and say how UNIVERSALLY unappealing I find the libraries of most consoles that people rave about. In my very well considered opinion, the Gamecube has the best library of any console.
It all ties in though. All this shit for the last few pages about the Wii having no games. I honestly can't see the appeal in the libraries of the HD consoles and by extension, new PC games. Bland, done before and watered down. Yet so many people eat it up, swept away in this bullshit about how it's not "serious" if it's not on PS360. The myth is generated by American 3rd parties, I guess and it filters down to people on forums like this. It's getting very boring.
If half the people whining about Kinect in this thread bothered to read some developer interviews instead of just repeating to themselves over and over how terribad it is going to be, before even playing it; they might just get inspired.
People talking about how passionless and uninspired the whole thing is - go read the Kinect-focussed EDGE mag which features interviews with all the key devs; it's what sold me on the device. Some of them couldn't seem more passionate if you locked them in a room full of lingerie models and cocaine.
The 360 library is drastically better than the Gamecube library. Plus you still get the oXBox back compatibility.
Don't be coming in here and saying this shit like it's fact.
Well it is, by a goddamn mile.
The sheer volume of high quality retail released titles, games enhanced through DLC post-launch, not to mention XBLA and XBLIG games available on the 360 dwarf the quality Gamecube library. The 360 is a quality software monster.
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If half the people whining about Kinect in this thread bothered to read some developer interviews instead of just repeating to themselves over and over how terribad it is going to be, before even playing it; they might just get inspired.
People talking about how passionless and uninspired the whole thing is - go read the Kinect-focussed EDGE mag which features interviews with all the key devs; it's what sold me on the device. Some of them couldn't seem more passionate if you locked them in a room full of lingerie models and cocaine.
Oh man I thought I was the only plant here. :P
This Kinect uproar is getting fucking ridiculous, gang.
Is there anybody here who takes or has taken a psychology course? Because I'd really like to know what the term is for somebody who believes a critique about a beloved person or object is actually a personal attack.
If half the people whining about Kinect in this thread bothered to read some developer interviews instead of just repeating to themselves over and over how terribad it is going to be, before even playing it; they might just get inspired.
People talking about how passionless and uninspired the whole thing is - go read the Kinect-focussed EDGE mag which features interviews with all the key devs; it's what sold me on the device. Some of them couldn't seem more passionate if you locked them in a room full of lingerie models and cocaine.
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if i had even an inkling of an idea that kinect could do anything as fun as wii sports, boom blox or hotd: overkill i'd support it as a worthy, if risky pursuit
but the potential just isn't there, man
I got tired of this kind of advertising quickly.
No developers have said, yeah man, we gave it our best effort but the controls are just too limited to make anything worthwhile. No developers have even given it their best effort! There have been racing games that control just fine, the problem is that they're shoddy ports of old games for the other consoles. Same for FPSs. The Wii got Call of Duty 4 what, 2 years too late?
Pointer controls are well-liked, but poorly supported, and people want them in high def. That's where Move comes in. The Wii had potential and Move does as well. It's got tight controls and plays fine, almost universally praised.
Not so with Kinect.
Don't pretend that the Wii was awful and disillusioned everyone on motion controls, Move has that same spark. Kinect doesn't have any potential.
Ironically with kinect it seems like, despite it being "no controller at all!", the controls will never be invisible.
"All you have to do...is be you!"
"As long as 'you' don't mind standing still in a small area of your pristine living room, making the exact motions we tell you to!"
So you're definitely saying that tech limitations mean guaranteed failure?
Because I'm pretty sure that you won't be able to push the tech envelope if the best you can come up with is an IR remote or the equivalent of motion capture balls taped to sticks. Shit like Kinect won't get better if we don't do anything with it now. The Wii remote and Move are limited because they can't do anything else. Kinect is limited because it can't do anything else, yet.
SONY was out of their mind to push a $600 system just for Blu-Ray. But they won the format war (for now) and people started buying the thing when it was affordable. It took time and it cost an assload of money, but the PS3 is a definite qualified success.
Nintendo was crazy to eschew standard gaming control interface... Seems to have been a practical gamble.
As stupid as Kinect is, I refuse to call it an abject failure before it hits the wild simply because it isn't using the same development as copying everybody else.
The Wii and Move simply have more potential due to their much higher precision and use of buttons. Kinect only has potential inasmuch as devs are willing/allowed to use the controller in conjunction with it.
What about Dance Central? From what I've heard, all of the previews of that game have been great and it's the sort of game that just wouldn't be as good with a controller or a dance pad.
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What ABOUT Dance Central?
The lineup does, but not for launch.
Even though it's a last gen piece of hardware Brainiac?
I'm going to go ahead and completely disagree with you there. For me, someone that has no interest at all in Sports Champions, I by FAR prefer our bundle to yours. Why? Because ours is actually pretty cheap. NZ$100, which while still kinda expensive when directly converting to US dollars, is actually pretty cheap compared to games and accessories (the standard game is NZ$110-120). Kinect's a pretty good example of that actually, it's launching at NZ$220.
How about we see how they actually play first? My guess is a number of the games announced at TGS are going to be on rails.
Uh, it wasn't the shortcomings of the controller that set in, it was just the slow nature of game design really. Designers very rarely experiment, they usually just stick with things that've worked in other games. Just look at the way platformers imitated Mario 64 or how RE4's camera was adopted in nearly every third person game after it came out.
So what exactly are they going to imitate for Kinect games? Microsoft?
have you played much of sports champions though? it's hard to get a good feel from the demo, i had to trust exterior impressions of the deeper stages of play - tycho's post about bocce, reviews, gaf - but it really is a good product and i just don't think it's ever been presented in a way that it can succeed. on it's lonesome it's a soulless looking case, easily mistaken for a third-party cash-in to fill out the launch range (which seems to be headed up by eyepet) - when in truth it's the only thing out at the moment that justifies the investment
what i meant by that is the only thing it can really do by measuring your motions in an accurate way is try to change them
Other than the whole measuring thing, all games attempt to alter how you might initially play if your intention is to get good at them. Especially Simon Says gameplay...
'Act like a goon' is a hard point to sell, otherwise.
I pretty much disagree with most of this post.
If pointer controls were so well liked and in demand, why do Wii FPS' constantly undersell?
edit: er, hang on
*cough* as i was saying, i'm not sure the intention of a dancing game is 'getting good at it'. it's, well, yeah - an excuse for acting like a goon, preferably with a half a bottle of bubbly down your gullet and with some deliciously cheesy music turned up loud. it's like singstar - the level of feedback was so irrelevant that realistically it could have been an input-free karaoke dvd, but it was presented slickly and there were some feeble gestures at it being a 'game', and a success it became. the idea foremost when you played singstar was never to beat its hardest mode
Because the games suck? The CoD games sell decently and they're just down-ports. I can't think of a decent fps outside of the Metroid Trilogy.
For most it's not about beating the hardest mode, but it is generally satisfying to feel a sense of accomplishment. Otherwise there's no reason that people would play Rock Band on anything but 'Easy'.
I mean, if you don't want to be scored in any particular way, then what's to stop you from just, you know, dancing?
Sporky has a point regarding Wii games, by the way.
It will sell.
Because people who play FPS mostly have been told repeatedly that Wii is for casuals and to get your "core" games elsewhere.
Because they are bad? And even if they are good they are subpar to their HD system counterparts not to mention usually completely ignored by the Wii's main install base in favor of Nintendo first party games.
It's not. Just look at the HALO games.
I believe the Ur example for shitty game that sells gangbusters is the 50 cent games. Everybody shat on the first one, and yet everybody bought it too. I guess the second one didn't blow too much donkey ass though, from what people have said? Though the fact that they made a second one says enough right there...
the difference with rockband / guitar hero is that there is precise measurement based on technical skill, and victory isn't about learning the tricks of the illusion and exploiting them, but mastering a consistent and simple to understand challenge
and nothing's stopping me from just dancing - i do it all the time! some people get stuck up with this horrible thing called social convention, though, and they need excuses to let out their natural primal urges. don't be a sheep, man, take off your clothes and get naked with me
wait, what were we talking about again?
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It didn't "not blow too much donkey ass"
50 Cent: Blood on the Sand kicks ass left and right, assuming you play it co-op
It looks amazing
That's what
I'm almost willing to buy a Kinect for it alone (and it would be that alone, because nothing else for it looks interesting so far)
I still don't understand why those fuckers bought them in the first place if they couldn't afford to keep them all afloat. Swordfish were a good studio, founded by former Rage employees.
Compare the Kinect's announced library to the Move's and you'll see why people are leery
Don't be coming in here and saying this shit like it's fact. I don't come into every thread and say how UNIVERSALLY unappealing I find the libraries of most consoles that people rave about. In my very well considered opinion, the Gamecube has the best library of any console.
It all ties in though. All this shit for the last few pages about the Wii having no games. I honestly can't see the appeal in the libraries of the HD consoles and by extension, new PC games. Bland, done before and watered down. Yet so many people eat it up, swept away in this bullshit about how it's not "serious" if it's not on PS360. The myth is generated by American 3rd parties, I guess and it filters down to people on forums like this. It's getting very boring.
In summation; no, it's not.
People talking about how passionless and uninspired the whole thing is - go read the Kinect-focussed EDGE mag which features interviews with all the key devs; it's what sold me on the device. Some of them couldn't seem more passionate if you locked them in a room full of lingerie models and cocaine.
Well it is, by a goddamn mile.
The sheer volume of high quality retail released titles, games enhanced through DLC post-launch, not to mention XBLA and XBLIG games available on the 360 dwarf the quality Gamecube library. The 360 is a quality software monster.
Oh man I thought I was the only plant here. :P
This Kinect uproar is getting fucking ridiculous, gang.
Just like the Wii.