Count Dracuphalla - Day 7 - Game End - Vampires Win!

moleface

Yeah after reading back over the vote history this morning I noticed the Dunadan019 vote switch from godmode to Cap. With no reasoning behind it, it seems bizarre. Especially after switching his vote after the big bandwagon on godmode. So for now I will go with the easy vote of Dunadan019

Phyphor

Duna never gives any reasoning beyond his one word posts anyway. Fortunately there's a very easy way to check him out. Good catch

REG Rysk

@AkimboLegs - Don't go saying the mafia isn't masoned. That kind of silly speculation goes beyond the standard level of suspicious.

Problem with that logic fred. It's not a bad tactic to on early days have mafia vote for one another. It helps to alleviate suspicions if and when one of them shows up red. They can point to their vote record saying "Why would I vote for my own guy?"

It seems there are a few lines to consider:

1) godmode voting for Sir Fab

2) Duna switching from godmode to Capfalcon

3) Other mafia voted before vote close

If I had to say, I would say that #3 is the most likely (but also slightly harder to determine culprits and may be better for follow on days) and then #2. That switch is suspicious, but Duna should know that would make people go for him if/when godmode came up red.

Did Capfalcon do anything to provoke the vote change, short of not liking his new nickname?

firemanfred

Well, Cap was the person who broke the tie between Sir Fab and Godmode, moving godmode up to four votes. Kias voted and bumped it to five, then Dunadan switched his vote to Cap, which brought godmode's total back to four.

Darkewolfe

The Dunadan019 argument makes sense. What were some of the late votes that came in and hit targets that wouldn't have gotten enough total to matter anyway?

nakirush

I have heard the evidence as given by these witnesses and have passed judgement!

Dunadan must perish!

Kias

To give context, day one votes swap a lot and Duna is more prone than most to switching with no explanation. Duna is also an easy wagon target for those trying to get one going since he has a reputation as being abrasive (only half deserved really). Also, I am not sure how is swap, which is a fairly common move in day one, is more suspicious than the argument against Sir Fab (misrepresentation of mechanics and surviving second when mafia could have easily switched vote leader).

The points made about mafia giving themselves away by doing so lose a little weight since day one analysis is almost always useless and the godmode vote would have likely been forgotten/left behind since it didn't have a real basis to begin with.

Honestly, having played mafia with godmode before, voting on a fellow mafia early when it "would not matter" to try and keep that person's name clear later on seems like exactly something he would do.

Tl;DR: We have several suspicious circumstances regarding Sir Fab, whereas Duna simply switched his vote, like he always does in every game. The quick support for the Duna wagon makes it even more shady.

REG Rysk

Not entirely true Kias; we have been able to successfully analyze Day 1 votes to find mafia before. Notably, that came from a game where we voted out a mafia on Day 1.

firemanfred

I will give your post due consideration Kias, since it seems you've been around enough to recognize the habits of several participants. I was a little surprised to see a quick voting surge this early in the day as well, before more people have chimed in to give their opinion.

I would also like to add that Phyphor was the first one to comment on the conversion topic. Sir Fab elaborated on it slightly, but the main takeaway from his post is that he didn't feel the vampires had the strength to swing the vote.

Dunadan's switch wouldn't have changed the outcome, since he switched after all other votes were in. That decreases my suspicion level of him slightly, and is likely why I have not voted yet.

REG Rysk

I put less emphasis on when people vote. Some people just have a small window for when they can vote/comment. Some people live in different time zones. But knowing that info on individuals can lead to valuable information.

moleface

People did jump on that wagon a little fast. A touch unnerving

I'm not too familiar with Dracula's lore but I can't find any mention of Verona on his wiki. Did Dracula have a wife called Verona? It says he had 2 wives but neither of them were named that. Is this from fiction like Anne Rice or something? I don't know much vamp stuff outside of Buffy :P

jimtopia

Sir Fab's info on the conversions seems shady. Not to mention he revealed himself as a Vamp on day 1.

Sir Fabulous

Sorry about this "spreading the misinformation" I'm apparently doing, but I don't go back and read the OP after every night and other people were talking about the conversions so I thought they were a confirmed fact.
And secondly nobody who's voted for me has even touched my second point about going after more experienced players that Matev would have trusted. That's concealing the truth to people who don't have the time to read every post.
Anyways, I feel like I won't survive today anyways since if the vote doesn't get me, the vig will, but I'm just gonna put this out there, I'm a vanillager. Thank you.

And also Duna for self preservation.

REG Rysk

So the first 4 votes from Day 1 on Sunday came from

B:L
Dunadan
Dogbone
Sir Fabulous

in that order. I hate to do this, but of the three things I find suspicious, Dunadan fits the bill for two of them.

kime

Never miss a chance to vote for Duny :P.

Also, I may or may not have much time here, so don't wanna miss the vote.

Nodgarb

so Dun is leading votes at the moment, but I'm not entirely convinced based on vote switching, since it didn't have an impact on anything.

I'm not entirely convinced of Sir Fab either. The part about more experienced members that Matev would have trusted, not sure where you are going with that? Are you saying Matev reached out to someone saying he was a villager, and that person turned out to be Dracula and that was the reason he was killed?

Although.. Dun... hmm.. I dunno right now.

I think I need a minute to digest.

firemanfred

I would love to give more thought to your experienced players theory, Sir Fabulous. Unfortunately, I'm not experienced enough myself to know one player from the next so I'll have to leave that to someone else. However, I'm inclined to give Fabulous the benefit of the doubt today.

Further over-analysis commencing. o_O

Sir Fabulous

By that I thought that perhaps Dracula has an ability that kills people who Seer him. I seemed to much like happenstance for the main baddy to just happen to hit the Seer the first night. If Matev was the Seer.

One Sec. Gathering evidence.

CaptainPlanet82 wrote: »

Matev believes he can stop all the madness. He turns to Count Dracula to try seek peace and friendship. Instead he is greeted with a vicious tear to his jugular.

This seems to say that Matev used some sort of friendly ability on Dracula and he got killed for it. Now let's say there are two scenarios. Either Dracula has a personal vig or he has an ability to kill someone if they Seer them.
If Dracula HAS a vig, either he got exetremely lucky and just HAPPENED to hit the Seer with his Vig. The only probable way that would happen is if Matev told Dracula beforehand that Matev was going to Seer him. Which would make no sense.
Far more likely that Dracula has a reaction kill. But what evidence do we actually have that Matev targeted him?

Matev wrote: »

oooooooOOOOOOOoooooooo
Curse my rotten luck, my first attempt to build a network, and I found the king of vampires! Destroy him! Root him out my friends!
oooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo

Now does anyone want to try and prove that Matev didn't hit Dracula with SOME KIND of friendly ability? Exactly. It would be foolish to suggest otherwise. Now from this long arguement we can draw two facts.

1. Matev used some kind of friendly ability, quite possibly a Seer on Dracula
2. Matev was killed by Dracula for using this ability

Now. Who would you be most likely to Seer if you weren't all that good at Phalla? Either a good friend or a very experienced player. Thus my experienced player witch-hunt.

REG Rysk

We can also determine that Matev doesn't know how to use ghost posts.

Seems I missed that from before...hmmm...

Dunadan019

yeah, not evil but good luck with that.

REG Rysk

Sorry Duny, I know you were really unable to respond all day and I tried to wait to cast my vote. Two pings on my radar means without a better lead I have to go with logic.

Dunadan019

your radar is about as broken as your logic.

it's a toss-up really.

Nodgarb

Ah, Sir Fab, I totally overlooked Matev's post. That makes more sense now.

If we lost a Seer on day one, well, that kinda blows.

firemanfred

I've taken the essence of the thread and run it through my mad scientist's lab.

I dropped in random morsels and let them bubble and steam, until they they condensed into the Erlenmeyer flask containing my vote.

Kime

I voted for the guy who voted for the guy who voted for Matev. But really, I just don't like either of the wagons in the race.

Farangu

HUGBLHGHU WORK WORK

Ok, after reading...I don't really agree with either of the vote leaders. Right now it's just a duna permi-semi-grudge with that wagon, and I'd like to see where Sir Fab's theory takes us. So...

Kime for now, I need time to think.

With any luck, Dracula will face his nemesis and lose by the time I've concluded. The infamous hero-doctor...

HUGH JACKMAN.

Hopefully it's Hugh Jackman; my question in my sign-up post was never answered.

Edit: Firemanfred, see, you get me.

Sir Fabulous

Farangu, not to be a jerk, but edited vote posts don't count.

Dogbone33

That Duna wagon took off fast. I don't trust it at all. It reeks of hiding mafia.

I'm also not sure how I feel about the Sir Fab action. My head hurts already.

Farangu

Grr, I knew that. Thanks, Fab.

Kime

Sir Fabulous

Anything I do at this point would look suspicious. If I switch my vote and kime dies OMFG SIR FAB IS MAFS! But if I don't switch my vote and Duna dies OMFG SIR FAB IS MAFS!
But I agree, mafia will be hiding in the Duna wagon. They won't want their helpful little scapegoat to die this early on.

Sir Fabulous

Dunadan: Moleface, Phyphor, Darkewolf, Nakirush, Sir Fabulous, REG Rysk, Kime, B:L, AkimboLegs (9)
Sir Fabulous: Garick, Kias, Capfalcon, Jimtopia, B:L, Dunadan (6)
Kime: Firemanfred, Farangu (2)
B:L: Romanqwerty, Dogbone (2)
Moleface: Nodgarb (1)

Has not voted: ONE OF THESE PEOPLE IS DEAD!
Crumble, The Anonymous (2)

Dunadan019

I voted for myself? nice.

firemanfred

Lol, that spot in the vote count is actually Sir Fabulous in his Halloween disguise. He's going as Dunadan019 this year.

Sir Fabulous

Don't tell me you've never written something that you saw last of instead of what you're supposed to write.

Dunadan019

Sir Fabulous wrote: »

Don't tell me you've never written something that you saw last of instead of what you're supposed to write.

ok.

Dunadan019

and actually, I think I voted too....

but maybe I didn't.

Nodgarb

I haven't voted yet, and I'm also not dead.

So my thought is I don't like the current two leads. A random vote for Kime doesn't help, unless we just get lucky again like godmode.

I think for now I will go with Moleface for starting the Dun-wagon. That and his avatar is of the full moon (werewolf?), his sig picture is named zombie something or other, so that leaves vampire, which his role probably is.:winky: Of course, I'm finding all those that quickly hopped on the Dun-wagon potentially vampiric.

Dun.. I don't know what to make of you lol.

romanqwerty

I like sir fab's experienced player witch-hunt....sooo much in fact....

I'm going to vote B:L.

B:L

Greetings! Can you Count how many suspicious's Sir Fabulous is made up of?

3...

4...

5! Five suspicious's!

AH. AH. AH.


Oh what's this? Why Romanqwerty, I have just noticed that you have many

BONES INSIDE OF YOU


Yes, it does appear that you are enjoying the many bones inside of you. All 56 of them.

CaptainPlanet82

Based on a few PMs:

No Resurrections

Also, Vote close in 3 hours. Still many missing votes and PMs.

Dunadan019

I guess I should change to sir fabulous to make people vote for me some more.