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Starcraft 2: Lobbying like damn!

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  • SceptreSceptre Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    It sounds like a particularly scary strategy on smaller maps, especially if your opponent were to throw his SCV's into the mix as well. I wonder though, if a 1 gate fast expand would be able to transition into enough units to hold it off.

    Sceptre on
  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2010
    Sceptre wrote: »
    It sounds like a particularly scary strategy on smaller maps, especially if your opponent were to throw his SCV's into the mix as well. I wonder though, if a 1 gate fast expand would be able to transition into enough units to hold it off.

    A 1-gate FE in PvT generally goes into a robo or a chargelots, so it's the same scenario -- it's just delayed slightly. I actually like this strategy quite a bit and have been trying to work it into my play. The difference involves relying on scouting information to determine when to get the robo. Socke and Huk have been doing this kind of thing more often lately.

    Monoxide on
  • TrusTrus Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    anyone having trouble logging on to Bnet? I put in my account info and the box disappears but the one with the account name and portrait doesn't show up

    Trus on
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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    AHAAHAHAHAHA!

    I just had a 2v2 where me and my teammate just massed marines and marauders. What does the terran opponent type right before he leaves?

    "fu noob tactic"

    Peewi on
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  • MovitzMovitz Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Is EU bnet fucked up for anyone else than me?

    Ed. Trus is having trouble as well. Guess it's not only EU then.

    Movitz on
  • RendRend Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Peewi wrote: »
    AHAAHAHAHAHA!

    I just had a 2v2 where me and my teammate just massed marines and marauders. What does the terran opponent type right before he leaves?

    "fu noob tactic"

    Excuse me- first of all, it's not a tactic, it's a strategy.

    Rend on
  • Kris_xKKris_xK Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Trus wrote: »
    anyone having trouble logging on to Bnet? I put in my account info and the box disappears but the one with the account name and portrait doesn't show up

    I'm getting this too.

    I'm taking solace in the fact that I am not alone.

    Kris_xK on
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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    wellp
    turns out void ray into expand isn't so bad

    Is this video online somewhere

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  • TrusTrus Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    wellp
    turns out void ray into expand isn't so bad

    Is this video online somewhere

    Gomtv.net will have them but you have to pay.

    OR

    google imoogle

    Trus on
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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    shouldn't have read that spoiler wooops

    just coming in to say the fauxer series was beyond incredible

    starting on hopetorture/nexgenius now

    Variable on
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  • ImperfectImperfect Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    So has anyone read and reacted to this yet?

    Using genetic algorithms to find Starcraft 2 build orders

    In short, some dude wrote a genetic algorithm evaluator for SC2 Zerg build orders and came up with the following:
    10 extractor-trick to 11
    11 overlord
    11 spawning pool
    15 extractor
    16 queen (stop drones here)
    18 overlord
    18 roach warren
    17 overlord (yes, two)
    spawn-larva on queen when she pops
    roach x7

    It's very similar to the 5-roach rush, but you get 7 roaches out :45 earlier, which I can imagine is unholy strong, based on how many noobs my friend says he rolls with 5RR.

    Has anyone seen or tried this build yet? I'm curious to know just how "in the wild" this is.

    Imperfect on
  • kedinikkedinik Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    It's a cool program, but in practice it generates all-in strategies that lose to good scouting.

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  • His CorkinessHis Corkiness Registered User
    edited November 2010
    I think it has problems with falling into local maxima because someone posted a 10 Pool build that got 50 Drones faster than anything else, - according to the program - but I tried it and a 14 Hatch was just plain better.

    His Corkiness on
  • YannYann Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I think it has problems with falling into local maxima because someone posted a 10 Pool build that got 50 Drones faster than anything else, - according to the program - but I tried it and a 14 Hatch was just plain better.

    That sounds wrong. The economic builds I got after a couple of days runtime where all hatch first late pool.

    Yann on
  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    god damn.

    Fake boxer's game one is just ridiculous. I swear he has 4 hands.

    TheStig on
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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    TheStig wrote: »
    god damn.

    Fake boxer's game one is just ridiculous. I swear he has 4 hands.

    keep watching

    Variable on
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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Movitz wrote: »
    Is EU bnet fucked up for anyone else than me?

    Ed. Trus is having trouble as well. Guess it's not only EU then.

    Yeah, it has very long load times and various screens and now it won't even show me the quick game options.

    EDIT: Apparently I'm only allowed to play FFA now.

    Peewi on
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  • RiddoxRiddox Registered User
    edited November 2010
    Anyone know a way for me to see Nex vs Hope?

    Found one stream that's reshowing them but it's laggy as fuck and stops every 2 seconds.

    Riddox on
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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Oh wait, nevermind. Appears to be slightly less fucked now.

    EDIT: Oh wait, it really is fucked. When I try to search for a game, I get this error:
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    Peewi on
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  • His CorkinessHis Corkiness Registered User
    edited November 2010
    Yann wrote: »
    I think it has problems with falling into local maxima because someone posted a 10 Pool build that got 50 Drones faster than anything else, - according to the program - but I tried it and a 14 Hatch was just plain better.

    That sounds wrong. The economic builds I got after a couple of days runtime where all hatch first late pool.
    I doubt he'd run it for a couple of days, and either way, that's the concept of a local maxima: one run settles on what appears to be the best solution as moving slightly away from it in any direction is clearly worse, but there are actually better solutions elsewhere. The program uses a genetic algorithm which is non-deterministic, so you never know for sure that the solution you get is the best one.

    His Corkiness on
  • GuekGuek Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    is there a stream goin on somewhere that i can watch?

    Guek on
  • MovitzMovitz Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Peewi wrote: »
    Oh wait, nevermind. Appears to be slightly less fucked now.

    EDIT: Oh wait, it really is fucked. When I try to search for a game, I get this error:
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    They know you've been maphacking bro :lol:

    Movitz on
  • KlykaKlyka DO you have any SPARE BATTERIES?Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    So,where and when will Boxer and Nada play?

    Klyka on
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  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Klyka wrote: »
    So,where and when will Boxer and Nada play?

    http://www.gomtv.net/

    in 14 hours.

    TheStig on
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  • KlykaKlyka DO you have any SPARE BATTERIES?Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    oh, 14 hours? Someone earlier said "tonight" so I thought it'd be sooner!

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  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Tonight in korea time.

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  • rehtonAesoohCrehtonAesoohC Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I just watched game 1 of Slush vs HuK in the EG Masters Cup, holy crap.
    I can't believe huk lost from a 3 roach push!

    rehtonAesoohC on
    Was wowed by Rift so I'm trying that now.
  • YannYann Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Yann wrote: »
    I think it has problems with falling into local maxima because someone posted a 10 Pool build that got 50 Drones faster than anything else, - according to the program - but I tried it and a 14 Hatch was just plain better.

    That sounds wrong. The economic builds I got after a couple of days runtime where all hatch first late pool.
    I doubt he'd run it for a couple of days, and either way, that's the concept of a local maxima: one run settles on what appears to be the best solution as moving slightly away from it in any direction is clearly worse, but there are actually better solutions elsewhere. The program uses a genetic algorithm which is non-deterministic, so you never know for sure that the solution you get is the best one.

    You can set how many processes you want it to run simultaneously though. After several billions of games simulated you can assume the build is fairly close to optimal.

    Yann on
  • MovitzMovitz Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    You might have a local maximum that the program never gets out of, depending on the coding. The actual global maxima might be elsewhere.

    Movitz on
  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Getting kind of tired of ZvZ

    Seems like everyone either 6-pools or goes for massive roach pushes right around the time ling speed finishes

    Your options are therefore limited to "build more roaches than the other guy, win"

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  • zerg rushzerg rush Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Getting kind of tired of ZvZ

    Seems like everyone either 6-pools or goes for massive roach pushes right around the time ling speed finishes

    Your options are therefore limited to "build more roaches than the other guy, win"

    7RR!

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  • His CorkinessHis Corkiness Registered User
    edited November 2010
    There's also now a 3RR, if you Zergs are still not tired of the blandness.

    His Corkiness on
  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2010
    guys I have this brilliant new strategy

    the 4RR

    you are gonna love this

    Monoxide on
  • Joe KJoe K Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Peewi wrote: »
    Oh wait, nevermind. Appears to be slightly less fucked now.

    EDIT: Oh wait, it really is fucked. When I try to search for a game, I get this error:
    0K7ih.jpg

    been getting that since midnight Eastern Time.

    "logout" will fix the lock issue, but i started like 5 games and only 1 went to completion.

    Joe K on
  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    :lol: Monoxide, that made me giggle

    TL DR on
  • HeartlashHeartlash Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Monoxide wrote: »
    guys I have this brilliant new strategy

    the 4RR

    you are gonna love this

    The key is to rush with larva.

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  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Take one of your first drones and build a hatch at his natural. That way your units are really close to his!

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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2010
    if anyone wants to talk about strategies that don't involve rushing roaches, I've been looking for some Protoss strats that differ a bit from the usual

    basically I hate 2gate/robo and I want it to die, but I don't know of many great alternatives in PvT or PvP.

    I know what other strategies can work, but it seems like starting out PvP with a 4gate or 3gate/exp will just be stomped by the other player's colossus build, and since most PvP is essentially a colossi arms race anyway, doing something like an FE delays the robo and colossi production to the point where you're going to be at a disadvantage.

    I don't know, maybe I'm wrong and these are just perceptions born out of shitty play by myself and my opponents, but I've felt like doing anything but 2gate/robo in PvP or PvT means putting myself at a significant risk compared to just using that builds.

    is there anything that feels a little more solid and less contingent on squeezing out that colossus in the early game? how is kcdc's PvT FE working in this post patch world? does a PvP 2gate/stargate carrier build actually work or is it just a pipedream strat that wins against shitty players who push late and don't know how to build sentries and stalkers?

    Monoxide on
  • Feels Good ManFeels Good Man Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    in my qualifying matches way back when I lifted a command center and put it on this zerg's former natural and turned it into a PF



    best game

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