Fun fact, i had a WW insist on being the mid last night.
That reminds me of this game I-almost-won-but-had-a-guy-leave-at-the-beginning;
Before que, two guys both call top solo since we have a LeBlanc midding. They argue about who gets it the entire pre-match selection (this is Ranked btw). They are a Kayle and a Miss Fortune. The match starts and they both go up top, neither of them wanting to go bot. They bitch, moan and cry and it leaves me to go bot solo (really funny since I dominated a Heimer who also went bot solo), and our jungler supposedly gets "fed up" with their stupidity and leaves. If he hadn't left, we would have wiped the floor easily with them, but they managed to beat us out end-game.
Both players sucked but our MF was a little turd and was off-and-on feeding on purpose, just because she was really really butthurt about not getting her solo.
I tried to tell her to come down but she kept replying in all caps that, "NO I GET TOP YOU FKIN NOOBS".
I love you solo que. So much.
solo kayle seems like a bad idea
Kayle is an awesome solo, or even 1v2. She farms like no other. Unfortunately, until she gets adequately farmed up, she's useless.
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kayle is still pretty much my main, but she's hard to do too much with before late-game from what i can tell.
i guess all i've figured out early-game is to use her E as a poke and farming tool during laning. her heal is nice at this point because it helps let her stay in the lane. her R can occasionally be contextually useful (negate someone's nuke or keep your tank propped up through and alpha or something) but it's just too short to really plan around using for much.
kayle's mid-game is hard to know what to do with her. she's not all that useful in mid-game team-fights and generally gets focused down really early. i tend to prefer to try to push lanes with her if there's some kind of tower impasse going on mid-game because she's pretty useless in that situation and nearly as likely to be a liability as an asset.
i buy AS and then AD/AP items. stinger, rageblade, hextech, maybe ghostblade. she needs early boots and some survival stuff somewhere in there, because she's disappointingly fragile.
if you get to a certain point, though, then she can spit out crazy mid-range dps during teamfights and backdoor lanes/ melt towers like a pro.
the problem is that you generally won't get there before L16 or so unless you get fed really early. and it's kind of hard to get fed with kayle early.
Kayle is an awesome solo, or even 1v2. She farms like no other. Unfortunately, until she gets adequately farmed up, she's useless.
Uh, she is pretty bad at farming until she gets Guinsoo's. Only her range attack saves her from being Rammus bad at farming.
yep
and her range attack costs precious mana during laning
we've been doing random in-houses lately in the D&D scrub league and pretty much everyone who has come up with kayle has informed me that i am foolish for maining her.
Kayle is an awesome solo, or even 1v2. She farms like no other. Unfortunately, until she gets adequately farmed up, she's useless.
Uh, she is pretty bad at farming until she gets Guinsoo's. Only her range attack saves her from being Rammus bad at farming.
Just need to be pro at last hitting. Her animation isn't that terrible. And keeping her E up isn't that difficult with mana runes and a meki, provided you aren't getting harassed to death.
Kayle was S-tier, like 3 months ago. I really like her, but she isn't the best in the current meta. Not terrible but not very good.
I'm proud of myself; I just shut down a LeBlanc in mid using Nidalee. I countered her dumb blink in combo by healing myself, shapeshifting, pouncing and forcing her to have rough sex with my claws.
I didn't manage to kill her (fucking mimic bullshit heruhgrsgrbresies) but mid tower went fast. Then she wet to gank top, got messed up by Shen, and I snuck to the edge of the bushes as she tried to recall right behind her turret. Boom. Headshot.
Why not build WW, Sivir, and Sion tanky and let LeBlanc and Ashe build like cannons?
I tried playing Sivir a few different ways last night, and I felt like tank sivir suffers badly from Tryndamere syndrome (aka, awful for the first thirty minutes of the game.) You need, at a bare minimum, boots, a warmogs, and an atmas to even begin dealing any non-ignorable damage, and that turns out to be north of 6k gold. Then, once you get there, you're just a ball of HP that deals mediocre damage instead of trivial damage, you might as well be playing morde at that point, and doing a lot better at it.
Personally I'm of the opinion that Sivir should be as DPS-heavy as she can be at all times. She benefits from AD more than just about anyone else at this point. Auras are nice but usually it's just a Stark's and then bring on the bloodthirsters (and manamune).
Phreak actually recommended a tank Sivir build, but when I tried it out, it just bloomed too late. She reliably generates large chunks of gold early, but not so early that you can get away with sucking for the first 6-7k of it. I definitely still like AD-heavy over anything else with her, I had the most success doing manamune-->boots-->Starks-->thirster-->Randuins (physical heavy team, banshee's otherwise). Boomerang blade after that early manamune was just absolutely brutal.
Phreak was wrong. Tank Sivir is just not a worthwhile idea. At max ricochet every attack does over 300% of her attack damage- she gets way too much from AD and AS to pass that up.
Personally (especially now that the BB scales with AD) I don't like to build much of anything that doesn't help my DPS minus boots of mobility. She squishes pretty easy when built that way, but it makes pushing in lanes and eating towers so good that I think it's worth the tradeoff in teamfight utility. I've easily killed multiple towers and gotten back to help my team clean up/escape before anyone could stop me a number of times. (and this is pre-buffs)
Kayle is an awesome solo, or even 1v2. She farms like no other. Unfortunately, until she gets adequately farmed up, she's useless.
Uh, she is pretty bad at farming until she gets Guinsoo's. Only her range attack saves her from being Rammus bad at farming.
Just need to be pro at last hitting. Her animation isn't that terrible. And keeping her E up isn't that difficult with mana runes and a meki, provided you aren't getting harassed to death.
unless you level her E first, which is pretty dubious, she still hits very weakly for quite a while
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Kayle is an awesome solo, or even 1v2. She farms like no other. Unfortunately, until she gets adequately farmed up, she's useless.
Uh, she is pretty bad at farming until she gets Guinsoo's. Only her range attack saves her from being Rammus bad at farming.
Just need to be pro at last hitting. Her animation isn't that terrible. And keeping her E up isn't that difficult with mana runes and a meki, provided you aren't getting harassed to death.
her animation is fine if a little slow
but not getting harrassed is the key thing there
like
how can your fragile melee character with no real dps or CC not be getting harrassed during laning?
we've been doing random in-houses lately in the D&D scrub league and pretty much everyone who has come up with kayle has informed me that i am foolish for maining her.
I think you do pretty good given how she does. At the very least you take advantage of her tower-killing potential and backdoor a lot, which matters more than you might think (especially because nobody on the other team will ever be all "OH SHIT KAYLE'S MISSING" until you've boomed their tower and they're sending people away from the teamfight to take care of you).
I spend a lot of time last game as twitch sneaking around between team fights looking for some guy running around on his own and kill him.
Then when the team fights start I pop up in the back and rain death upon my foes. Love scattering poison on everyone then getting an instant triple kill when they try to run for shelter as the battle turns against them.
unless you level her E first, which is pretty dubious, she still hits very weakly for quite a while
Like I said, just need to know her animation speed and be pro at last hitting. Also you should be leveling her E and W. It's not really worth it to max Q early on, single point at level 4.
how can your fragile melee character with no real dps or CC not be getting harrassed during laning?
Her W not only heals her negating harass but also makes her very mobile. You shouldn't be sitting and auto attacking minions. Last hitting means staying back and timing so you kill a creep with one hit.
Phreak was wrong. Tank Sivir is just not a worthwhile idea. At max ricochet every attack does over 300% of her attack damage- she gets way too much from AD and AS to pass that up.
Personally (especially now that the BB scales with AD) I don't like to build much of anything that doesn't help my DPS minus boots of mobility. She squishes pretty easy when built that way, but it makes pushing in lanes and eating towers so good that I think it's worth the tradeoff in teamfight utility. I've easily killed multiple towers and gotten back to help my team clean up/escape before anyone could stop me a number of times. (and this is pre-buffs)
I agree, I'm just reporting my experiences since the change.
Kayle is an awesome solo, or even 1v2. She farms like no other. Unfortunately, until she gets adequately farmed up, she's useless.
Uh, she is pretty bad at farming until she gets Guinsoo's. Only her range attack saves her from being Rammus bad at farming.
yep
and her range attack costs precious mana during laning
we've been doing random in-houses lately in the D&D scrub league and pretty much everyone who has come up with kayle has informed me that i am foolish for maining her.
I used her as my main as quite awhile when first starting out in the game. I figure people don't like playing her because she doesn't really excel at one specific type of game play, and people love to min max in games like this.
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unless you level her E first, which is pretty dubious, she still hits very weakly for quite a while
Like I said, just need to know her animation speed and be pro at last hitting. Also you should be leveling her E and W. It's not really worth it to max Q early on, single point at level 4.
yeah the Q is never worth anything but a snare and mild damage buff
IIRC it goes from like an 11% temp damage buff at L1 to a 15% damage buff at L5. I only put more than one point in Q after i've maxed everything else.
E is really her bread-and-butter and doesn't increase mana cost with leveling, which is nice.
the heal her W puts out is super-useful during early laning. Late-game, the heal part is almost negligable, but the speed boost is useful.
Kayle is an awesome solo, or even 1v2. She farms like no other. Unfortunately, until she gets adequately farmed up, she's useless.
Uh, she is pretty bad at farming until she gets Guinsoo's. Only her range attack saves her from being Rammus bad at farming.
yep
and her range attack costs precious mana during laning
we've been doing random in-houses lately in the D&D scrub league and pretty much everyone who has come up with kayle has informed me that i am foolish for maining her.
I used her as my main as quite awhile when first starting out in the game. I figure people don't like playing her because she doesn't really excel at one specific type of game play, and people love to min max in games like this.
I'd say that is very true in general. I'm personally an exception to that rule, as I tend to build characters with a moderate mix of defense and offense for basically everyone. It is a strongly effective strategy, in actuality.
unless you level her E first, which is pretty dubious, she still hits very weakly for quite a while
Like I said, just need to know her animation speed and be pro at last hitting. Also you should be leveling her E and W. It's not really worth it to max Q early on, single point at level 4.
can't say I agree. 60 damage a whack is piss-poor for something that costs mana, and while it's usable for farming, it's still pretty bad. While she's not awful at it, she's not good, either.
And you won't be getting another point in E until level 8, which is kind of what I'm getting at.
I'm proud of myself; I just shut down a LeBlanc in mid using Nidalee. I countered her dumb blink in combo by healing myself, shapeshifting, pouncing and forcing her to have rough sex with my claws.
I didn't manage to kill her (fucking mimic bullshit heruhgrsgrbresies) but mid tower went fast. Then she wet to gank top, got messed up by Shen, and I snuck to the edge of the bushes as she tried to recall right behind her turret. Boom. Headshot.
She QQ'd.
Not too surprised that Nidalee can do well vs Leblanc in mid, she is usually pretty good in 1v1 lanes vs burst damagers what with her heal and such.
I think the only champs that really give me trouble regularly when laning as Nidalee tend to be ones with excellent sustained damage, so heroes like Vlad, Kat (if she is smart and constantly heal debuffs and shunpos on me at least, if they sit back and bouncing blade a lot she is managable), etc. Basically people that can force me to whittle down my mana with constant heals.
I spend a lot of time last game as twitch sneaking around between team fights looking for some guy running around on his own and kill him.
Then when the team fights start I pop up in the back and rain death upon my foes. Love scattering poison on everyone then getting an instant triple kill when they try to run for shelter as the battle turns against them.
This actually remind me:
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Spray & Pray gives you very, very long range. You do not need to hit S&P and come out of stealth while sitting right next to the enemy DPS so that they can kill you in half a second.
Kayle is an awesome solo, or even 1v2. She farms like no other. Unfortunately, until she gets adequately farmed up, she's useless.
Uh, she is pretty bad at farming until she gets Guinsoo's. Only her range attack saves her from being Rammus bad at farming.
Just need to be pro at last hitting. Her animation isn't that terrible. And keeping her E up isn't that difficult with mana runes and a meki, provided you aren't getting harassed to death.
unless you level her E first, which is pretty dubious, she still hits very weakly for quite a while
No this is flat out wrong.
She's amazing at farming. Start with Meki. Get stinger. Farm. Guinsoo's after Stinger.
Her damage output is very strong with attack speed items since her base attack (with E leveled, which you should be doing any time you don't level her heal.. and you're only leveling heal if you're getting harassed) is very good. She has huge uptime with E and she melts waves.
unless you level her E first, which is pretty dubious, she still hits very weakly for quite a while
Like I said, just need to know her animation speed and be pro at last hitting. Also you should be leveling her E and W. It's not really worth it to max Q early on, single point at level 4.
can't say I agree. 60 damage a whack is piss-poor for something that costs mana, and while it's usable for farming, it's still pretty bad. While she's not awful at it, she's not good, either.
And you won't be getting another point in E until level 8, which is kind of what I'm getting at.
Watch the Reginaid vids. Very good examples of last hitting with Kayle. Typically I max E first, unless I'm getting harassed very badly. This is something I have definitely noticed coming over from DoTA and playing LoL. A lot of LoL players don't seem to get or practice last hitting. Maybe it has to do with the fact that you no longer have to worry about denying.
Spray & Pray gives you very, very long range. You do not need to hit S&P and come out of stealth while sitting right next to the enemy DPS so that they can kill you in half a second.
People actually do that? Im more timid about being close to the enemy than when I play annie.
speaking of kayle is that helmetless skin worth getting while on sale, or just hold out for something more different then that/the other two recolored ones
i know the guy in that video is a much more skilled player than i am
but i call shenanigans with kayle zoning out an ashe during laning
and also trying to use Q as a harrass tool has left me OOM early without even doing enough damage to make it worthwhile. I've found E a much better zoning tool.
speaking of kayle is that helmetless skin worth getting while on sale, or just hold out for something more different then that/the other two recolored ones
I wish I hadn't bought it at full price. The loading portrait is much better than the ingame model, but I like it regardless.
i know the guy in that video is a much more skilled player than i am
but i call shenanigans with kayle zoning out an ashe during laning
and also trying to use Q as a harrass tool has left me OOM early without even doing enough damage to make it worthwhile. I've found E a much better zoning tool.
I don't know which iteration of Kayle that is, I can't watch youtube videos at work. At one point Kayle's E sucked and Q was much better, so I suspect it may be an old video. With her current iteration it is too mana intensive and not very effective to harass with Q, use E.
speaking of kayle is that helmetless skin worth getting while on sale, or just hold out for something more different then that/the other two recolored ones
Wait until Riot makes a new skin without her armor showing her 34K bust size.
Spray & Pray gives you very, very long range. You do not need to hit S&P and come out of stealth while sitting right next to the enemy DPS so that they can kill you in half a second.
People actually do that? Im more timid about being close to the enemy than when I play annie.
I've played with some absolutely stunningly awesome Twitches, but for the most part, puggies seem to have no idea how to abuse S&P. I played with a Twitch last night who came out of stealth all a-chuckle right in Tryndamere's angry face (Tryndamere who, incidentally, was standing right behind Amumu. Well within ult range).
I tried to tell him politely about S&P's awesome range, but he just threw back a heap of asterixes because he apparently was 'pro twitch'.
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speaking of kayle is that helmetless skin worth getting while on sale, or just hold out for something more different then that/the other two recolored ones
i use the helmetless skin more than the other ones. it's just much nicer than her basic skin. the colors are a little different also, and nicer, but it's still basically godl and red.
i am glad i bought it because i use her so much. ymmv
i know the guy in that video is a much more skilled player than i am
but i call shenanigans with kayle zoning out an ashe during laning
and also trying to use Q as a harrass tool has left me OOM early without even doing enough damage to make it worthwhile. I've found E a much better zoning tool.
E on Kayle is a much better zoning tool, can have multiple hits on an enemy and have it spray accordingly.
Its a good tool, and ive been using it to great effect laning against other melee. Just buy a Meki Pendant and get some mana regen up ins.
speaking of kayle is that helmetless skin worth getting while on sale, or just hold out for something more different then that/the other two recolored ones
i use the helmetless skin more than the other ones. it's just much nicer than her basic skin. the colors are a little different also, and nicer, but it's still basically godl and red.
i am glad i bought it because i use her so much. ymmv
It's kind of a disappointment because she doesn't have long hair.
i know the guy in that video is a much more skilled player than i am
but i call shenanigans with kayle zoning out an ashe during laning
and also trying to use Q as a harrass tool has left me OOM early without even doing enough damage to make it worthwhile. I've found E a much better zoning tool.
E on Kayle is a much better zoning tool, can have multiple hits on an enemy and have it spray accordingly.
Its a good tool, and ive been using it to great effect laning against other melee. Just buy a Meki Pendant and get some mana regen up ins.
When I was new to her, I would use her Q as a harass tool in the laning phase a lot, it would kind of work, but would definitley kill off all of your mana. If you've got a good lane partner and a teleport ready to go, it's not hard to zone and recharge mana, but as I've played her more, Kayle's e is just a much better all around ability.
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Kayle is an awesome solo, or even 1v2. She farms like no other. Unfortunately, until she gets adequately farmed up, she's useless.
i guess all i've figured out early-game is to use her E as a poke and farming tool during laning. her heal is nice at this point because it helps let her stay in the lane. her R can occasionally be contextually useful (negate someone's nuke or keep your tank propped up through and alpha or something) but it's just too short to really plan around using for much.
kayle's mid-game is hard to know what to do with her. she's not all that useful in mid-game team-fights and generally gets focused down really early. i tend to prefer to try to push lanes with her if there's some kind of tower impasse going on mid-game because she's pretty useless in that situation and nearly as likely to be a liability as an asset.
i buy AS and then AD/AP items. stinger, rageblade, hextech, maybe ghostblade. she needs early boots and some survival stuff somewhere in there, because she's disappointingly fragile.
if you get to a certain point, though, then she can spit out crazy mid-range dps during teamfights and backdoor lanes/ melt towers like a pro.
the problem is that you generally won't get there before L16 or so unless you get fed really early. and it's kind of hard to get fed with kayle early.
Uh, she is pretty bad at farming until she gets Guinsoo's. Only her range attack saves her from being Rammus bad at farming.
yep
and her range attack costs precious mana during laning
we've been doing random in-houses lately in the D&D scrub league and pretty much everyone who has come up with kayle has informed me that i am foolish for maining her.
Just need to be pro at last hitting. Her animation isn't that terrible. And keeping her E up isn't that difficult with mana runes and a meki, provided you aren't getting harassed to death.
Kayle was S-tier, like 3 months ago. I really like her, but she isn't the best in the current meta. Not terrible but not very good.
I didn't manage to kill her (fucking mimic bullshit heruhgrsgrbresies) but mid tower went fast. Then she wet to gank top, got messed up by Shen, and I snuck to the edge of the bushes as she tried to recall right behind her turret. Boom. Headshot.
She QQ'd.
Phreak was wrong. Tank Sivir is just not a worthwhile idea. At max ricochet every attack does over 300% of her attack damage- she gets way too much from AD and AS to pass that up.
Personally (especially now that the BB scales with AD) I don't like to build much of anything that doesn't help my DPS minus boots of mobility. She squishes pretty easy when built that way, but it makes pushing in lanes and eating towers so good that I think it's worth the tradeoff in teamfight utility. I've easily killed multiple towers and gotten back to help my team clean up/escape before anyone could stop me a number of times. (and this is pre-buffs)
she's a really solid champion actually
She's not OP for a few reasons, one of them being her middling to blah early game, but she can be a terror later on.
unless you level her E first, which is pretty dubious, she still hits very weakly for quite a while
her animation is fine if a little slow
but not getting harrassed is the key thing there
like
how can your fragile melee character with no real dps or CC not be getting harrassed during laning?
I think you do pretty good given how she does. At the very least you take advantage of her tower-killing potential and backdoor a lot, which matters more than you might think (especially because nobody on the other team will ever be all "OH SHIT KAYLE'S MISSING" until you've boomed their tower and they're sending people away from the teamfight to take care of you).
Then when the team fights start I pop up in the back and rain death upon my foes. Love scattering poison on everyone then getting an instant triple kill when they try to run for shelter as the battle turns against them.
Like I said, just need to know her animation speed and be pro at last hitting. Also you should be leveling her E and W. It's not really worth it to max Q early on, single point at level 4.
Her W not only heals her negating harass but also makes her very mobile. You shouldn't be sitting and auto attacking minions. Last hitting means staying back and timing so you kill a creep with one hit.
I agree, I'm just reporting my experiences since the change.
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I used her as my main as quite awhile when first starting out in the game. I figure people don't like playing her because she doesn't really excel at one specific type of game play, and people love to min max in games like this.
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yeah the Q is never worth anything but a snare and mild damage buff
IIRC it goes from like an 11% temp damage buff at L1 to a 15% damage buff at L5. I only put more than one point in Q after i've maxed everything else.
E is really her bread-and-butter and doesn't increase mana cost with leveling, which is nice.
the heal her W puts out is super-useful during early laning. Late-game, the heal part is almost negligable, but the speed boost is useful.
I'd say that is very true in general. I'm personally an exception to that rule, as I tend to build characters with a moderate mix of defense and offense for basically everyone. It is a strongly effective strategy, in actuality.
can't say I agree. 60 damage a whack is piss-poor for something that costs mana, and while it's usable for farming, it's still pretty bad. While she's not awful at it, she's not good, either.
And you won't be getting another point in E until level 8, which is kind of what I'm getting at.
Not too surprised that Nidalee can do well vs Leblanc in mid, she is usually pretty good in 1v1 lanes vs burst damagers what with her heal and such.
I think the only champs that really give me trouble regularly when laning as Nidalee tend to be ones with excellent sustained damage, so heroes like Vlad, Kat (if she is smart and constantly heal debuffs and shunpos on me at least, if they sit back and bouncing blade a lot she is managable), etc. Basically people that can force me to whittle down my mana with constant heals.
This actually remind me:
Spray & Pray gives you very, very long range. You do not need to hit S&P and come out of stealth while sitting right next to the enemy DPS so that they can kill you in half a second.
I promise.
No this is flat out wrong.
She's amazing at farming. Start with Meki. Get stinger. Farm. Guinsoo's after Stinger.
Her damage output is very strong with attack speed items since her base attack (with E leveled, which you should be doing any time you don't level her heal.. and you're only leveling heal if you're getting harassed) is very good. She has huge uptime with E and she melts waves.
Watch the Reginaid vids. Very good examples of last hitting with Kayle. Typically I max E first, unless I'm getting harassed very badly. This is something I have definitely noticed coming over from DoTA and playing LoL. A lot of LoL players don't seem to get or practice last hitting. Maybe it has to do with the fact that you no longer have to worry about denying.
People actually do that? Im more timid about being close to the enemy than when I play annie.
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i know the guy in that video is a much more skilled player than i am
but i call shenanigans with kayle zoning out an ashe during laning
and also trying to use Q as a harrass tool has left me OOM early without even doing enough damage to make it worthwhile. I've found E a much better zoning tool.
I wish I hadn't bought it at full price. The loading portrait is much better than the ingame model, but I like it regardless.
I don't know which iteration of Kayle that is, I can't watch youtube videos at work. At one point Kayle's E sucked and Q was much better, so I suspect it may be an old video. With her current iteration it is too mana intensive and not very effective to harass with Q, use E.
Wait until Riot makes a new skin without her armor showing her 34K bust size.
All I'm saying is, if you want babies, you'd better come prepared with a series of tubes.
Fallopian ones.
I actually spend every night curled up with a gallon of ben and jerry's while weeping softly because of this.
I've played with some absolutely stunningly awesome Twitches, but for the most part, puggies seem to have no idea how to abuse S&P. I played with a Twitch last night who came out of stealth all a-chuckle right in Tryndamere's angry face (Tryndamere who, incidentally, was standing right behind Amumu. Well within ult range).
I tried to tell him politely about S&P's awesome range, but he just threw back a heap of asterixes because he apparently was 'pro twitch'.
i use the helmetless skin more than the other ones. it's just much nicer than her basic skin. the colors are a little different also, and nicer, but it's still basically godl and red.
i am glad i bought it because i use her so much. ymmv
E on Kayle is a much better zoning tool, can have multiple hits on an enemy and have it spray accordingly.
Its a good tool, and ive been using it to great effect laning against other melee. Just buy a Meki Pendant and get some mana regen up ins.
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When I was new to her, I would use her Q as a harass tool in the laning phase a lot, it would kind of work, but would definitley kill off all of your mana. If you've got a good lane partner and a teleport ready to go, it's not hard to zone and recharge mana, but as I've played her more, Kayle's e is just a much better all around ability.