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2010 Midterms: GOP Wins the House; Government Shutdown in 3...2...1...

enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
edited November 2010 in Debate and/or Discourse
Gosling wrote:
Welcome to the latest edition of the midterm thread. Here's the link to 538.

Basically, America is sick and tired of everybody, as can be witnessed by what is set to be a third consecutive wave election, the parties splitting the 2006-10 elections 2-1. '06 and '08 to the Dems, '10 to the GOP. The voters, far as I can tell, are either despairing to the point where they've cut out of the process, or are so utterly pissed off that they can't even vote straight and are susceptible to being misled by anyone with sufficient charisma that will tell them what they want to hear whether or not these things are actually true, not unlike a snake oil salesman from the early 1900's.

They're pissed, they're desperate, they're pretty much willing to vote for anyone or anything that will actually fix shit to a degree they will notice.

However, the message at the polls is set to be garbled to the point where it comes out as "We would like to be led by the craziest people available, and the more they can screech and poop on everything as though they were a group of howler monkeys, the better." Which... yeah. It's a train that's jumped the tracks and is set to crash into a hospital full of orphan babies in about three weeks. Fun!

So how does one keep the train from crashing into the orphan baby hospital, or at least veer it into a non-baby-intensive section of same? If you can campaign, do that. If you can donate funds to a campaign, do that. Failing that, here's a start:

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This is an I Voted sticker. They give these out when you go to the polls; this design is the one you get at my precinct and the one we used here in 2008 when we did this same thing.

When you cast your general-election vote, I want you to make this sticker- or another one you happen to like better- your new avatar until Election Day. For many of you, you can do this now through early voting. By the time the polls close, the only people that should NOT be sporting these stickers are those who are too young to vote and those who are not US citizens.

You will notice I am sporting a similar sticker myself- again, the one I used for myself in '08.

OP stolen from Gosling.

Races worth watching:

Rep. Tom Periello is defending his seat in a Republican District (went for McCain even) in Virginia by defending his vote on health care. He's the only Representative to be graced with a personal rally from the President.
Rep. Alan Grayson is hated by the GOP and they badly want him destroyed. If he wins with a very very aggressive, GOP like campaign strategy it'll be an interesting case study.
The Senate races all over the place feature completely nuts Republicans. Most prominent among these are Rand Paul in Kentucky, Sharon Angle who seems likely to defeat Harry Reid in Nevada, and Ken Buck in Colorado. The three of them are Pat Toomey and Marco Rubio's best friends as by comparison those two almost look moderate.
Also worth watching is the three way Senate race in Alaska, featuring incumbent Senator Lisa Murkowski running as a write in candidate and apparently leading. The Republican who won the primary, Joe Miller, is a disaster of a candidate and is in free fall. The Democrat is lurking but remains unlikely to win. Murkowski looks like she'll hold onto her seat. If she tells the Republicans to fuck off, Lieberman style, might be worth watching.
Sadly, Russ Feingold is in serious trouble. Maybe he can pull off a miracle on Tuesday, but it seems doubtful.

Most importantly: go vote if you haven't already.

The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    The Philly Fraternal Order of Police is backing Corbett.

    Not that it's surprising.

    Just disheartening, and disappointing is all.

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  • OSUJumpManOSUJumpMan Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    So the senate race in Ohio has become actually competitive in the last week as Lee Fisher, the dem spends every last cent on ads this week.

    I'm more amused by this ad than I ought to be.
    This would be sad if it wasn't effective.

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  • Brian KrakowBrian Krakow Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Wait, what? Last time I heard about Ohio Fisher was basically throwing in towel and giving the rest of his money to the state party.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Wait, what? Last time I heard about Ohio Fisher was basically throwing in towel and giving the rest of his money to the state party.
    I haven't been following this specific race, but that doesn't make any sense historically.

    Ohio always closes late. You're not out in Ohio until after the polls close.

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  • ArturickArturick Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I don't see Murkowski winning in Alaska. Isn't she a write in candidate? Sure, people will tell pollsters that they're going to vote for her, but when they get to the box, they'll not see her name on the ballot and say, "Oh, I guess she dropped out."

    Isn't Grayson the one who tried to say his opponent was an insane, Taliban-like theocrat who would impose obedience laws on women?

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  • Brian KrakowBrian Krakow Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Wait, what? Last time I heard about Ohio Fisher was basically throwing in towel and giving the rest of his money to the state party.
    I haven't been following this specific race, but that doesn't make any sense historically.

    Ohio always closes late. You're not out in Ohio until after the polls close.
    Well here's the story, at any rate.

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Good to hear that Fisher is finally doing something intelligent. Man has run the most incompetent campaign this year, pissing away a very winnable seat.

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  • South hostSouth host I obey without question Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    OSUJumpMan wrote: »
    So the senate race in Ohio has become actually competitive in the last week as Lee Fisher, the dem spends every last cent on ads this week.

    I'm more amused by this ad than I ought to be.
    This would be sad if it wasn't effective.
    Why is the music "The Bonnie Blue Flag"?

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Good to hear that Fisher is finally doing something intelligent. Man has run the most incompetent campaign this year, pissing away a very winnable seat.

    Martha Coakley! Even if a big chunk of it was in 2009

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  • ahavaahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Ohgoodness. so close. So close. So close.

    She hasn't done anything crazy to report on today.

    but I do have a question for you guys.


    Do your school districts have Election day off? We do.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    PantsB wrote: »
    Good to hear that Fisher is finally doing something intelligent. Man has run the most incompetent campaign this year, pissing away a very winnable seat.

    Martha Coakley! Even if a big chunk of it was in 2009
    Dan Onorato (Dem for PA Gov) can give them both a run.

    His most aired campaign ad; Him teaching the viewers how to pronounce his name.

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    PantsB wrote: »
    Good to hear that Fisher is finally doing something intelligent. Man has run the most incompetent campaign this year, pissing away a very winnable seat.

    Martha Coakley! Even if a big chunk of it was in 2009

    The special election was on the 19th. The campaign she ran existed pretty much entirely in 2009. Although from what I remember, the shit she bothered to do in the three weeks prior was fairly good.

    Zed: I was wondering why Corbett was annihilating him.

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    Good to hear that Fisher is finally doing something intelligent. Man has run the most incompetent campaign this year, pissing away a very winnable seat.

    Martha Coakley! Even if a big chunk of it was in 2009
    Dan Onorato (Dem for PA Gov) can give them both a run.

    His most aired campaign ad; Him teaching the viewers how to pronounce his name.

    Coakley lost Ted Kennedy's seat in Massachusetts to an unknown state senator after 4 times as many Dems voted in the primary (2nd place Capuano had more votes than Brown)

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    PantsB wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    Good to hear that Fisher is finally doing something intelligent. Man has run the most incompetent campaign this year, pissing away a very winnable seat.

    Martha Coakley! Even if a big chunk of it was in 2009
    Dan Onorato (Dem for PA Gov) can give them both a run.

    His most aired campaign ad; Him teaching the viewers how to pronounce his name.

    Coakley lost Ted Kennedy's seat in Massachusetts to an unknown state senator after 4 times as many Dems voted in the primary (2nd place Capuano had more votes than Brown) the GOPs
    Oh, Coakley was bad. Don't get me wrong.

    But Onorato is a dead fish that's going to cost us billions of dollars in shale drilling taxes because he decided it's more important to get his name pronounced correctly than actually campaign against Corbett.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Zed: I was wondering why Corbett was annihilating him.
    It's the name thing, partially.

    But it also has a lot to do with Pennsylvania as a whole thinking of itself as a special snowflake of a state that doesn't take sides and instead oscillates back and forth every 8 years.

    Which is a load of crap.

    Philly is blue, Pittsburgh is purple and the rest of the state is as red as the gas industry cock in Tom Corbett's mouth.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Arturick wrote: »
    I don't see Murkowski winning in Alaska. Isn't she a write in candidate? Sure, people will tell pollsters that they're going to vote for her, but when they get to the box, they'll not see her name on the ballot and say, "Oh, I guess she dropped out."

    Isn't Grayson the one who tried to say his opponent was an insane, Taliban-like theocrat who would impose obedience laws on women?

    The recent polls asked the question "Are you going to vote for <list of candidates on the ballot> or write in a candidate" without mentioning any of the write-in's names, and 37% specifically said "Write in Murkowksi."

    Though that doesn't eliminate the likely LARGE number of invalid ballots due to people misspelling her name or forgetting to fill in the oval after writing in her name.

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  • OSUJumpManOSUJumpMan Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Wait, what? Last time I heard about Ohio Fisher was basically throwing in towel and giving the rest of his money to the state party.
    I haven't been following this specific race, but that doesn't make any sense historically.

    Ohio always closes late. You're not out in Ohio until after the polls close.
    Well here's the story, at any rate.

    Hmmm, I guess he's using this to help get out the vote. To be fair, I'm in Franklin County, which rarely votes Republican, so it's not like he necessarily needed the ad here, but used it to make sure people went to the polls anyway. And he has run a shitty campaign from the start. I always felt Jennifer Brunner was the better November candidate and was disappointed she lost the primary.

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  • Brian KrakowBrian Krakow Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    Good to hear that Fisher is finally doing something intelligent. Man has run the most incompetent campaign this year, pissing away a very winnable seat.

    Martha Coakley! Even if a big chunk of it was in 2009
    Dan Onorato (Dem for PA Gov) can give them both a run.

    His most aired campaign ad; Him teaching the viewers how to pronounce his name.
    Isn't that what Perriello did back in the hope-filled days of the 2008 campaign? Onorato doesn't really have the pizzaz of Perriello, though...

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  • Xenogear_0001Xenogear_0001 Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    Good to hear that Fisher is finally doing something intelligent. Man has run the most incompetent campaign this year, pissing away a very winnable seat.

    Martha Coakley! Even if a big chunk of it was in 2009
    Dan Onorato (Dem for PA Gov) can give them both a run.

    His most aired campaign ad; Him teaching the viewers how to pronounce his name.

    Don't discount that approach. I had a substitute teacher in middle school named Ms. Tijoriwala, and she spent the better part of twenty minutes spelling her name out on the board. To this day, I can never, ever, forget it. :P

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    But since he's not a write-in candidate, people don't need to know how to spell his name, only how to recognize it, which is really not hard.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    It makes me sick to my stomach that the country has reversed gears again so quickly in favor of the Republicans. It's only been 2 years since they were in office thrashing the crap out of America.

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    It makes me sick to my stomach that the country has reversed gears again so quickly in favor of the Republicans. It's only been 2 years since they were in office thrashing the crap out of America.

    They still are.

    Turns out, republicans still have money. And media is owned by corporations.

    You would think that the internet would level out the playing field, but apparently not.

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  • XaevXaev Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I'm going to be so pissed if Feingold loses, but unfortunately, the powers that be will only let me vote once.

    Also, every single member of my family except for me are rabid Republicans. That's just a kick in the nads.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Also worth watching is the three way Senate race in Alaska, featuring incumbent Senator Lisa Murkowski running as a write in candidate and apparently leading. The Republican who won the primary, Joe Miller, is a disaster of a candidate and is in free fall. The Democrat is lurking but remains unlikely to win. Murkowski looks like she'll hold onto her seat. If she tells the Republicans to fuck off, Lieberman style, might be worth watching.

    Not going to happen, she voted with them 90% of the time before. She's anti-abortion, anti-obamacare, etc. etc. About the the only thing she breaks rank for is global warming, and that's just because it's kind hard to deny it's effects when you can see firsthand how coastal erosion, directly attributed to global climate change, is literally putting rural villages in danger, and shrinking the size of the state. Given that she has the Rural vote, she'd be a fool not to do something about it.

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  • LovelyLovely Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I voted yesterday, but... my area/county is super conservative and well, in Florida. So it feels kinda pointless and I'm kinda depressed. *sigh*

    Doesn't help that whenever I see a dem on tv, or, whatever, they're always showing off about how not-democrat like they are -_- .

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  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Abstract Metal ThingyRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I hate this self fulfilling prophecy of young voters don't vote as much. At least in Colorado it seems like our campaign has put very very minimal effort into getting the 18-29 crowd out while concentrating most of our efforts on the over 40-50 group. I know we have to direct our limited resources where they will be the most effective, but its just depressing because in '08 we had the man power and the will to have dedicated groups and staging locations just to go after youth vote.

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    You'd think that it'd be easier to go after the young because you have so many targets.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Saw this today: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101031/ap_on_el_pr/us_ap_poll_obama
    The AP-KN poll has tracked a group of people and their views since the beginning of the 2008 presidential campaign. Among all 2008 voters, 51 percent say he deserves to be defeated in November 2012 while 47 percent support his re-election — essentially a tie.

    Among Democrats, 47 percent say Obama should be challenged for the 2012 nomination and 51 percent say he should not be opposed. Those favoring a contest include most who backed Hillary Rodham Clinton's unsuccessful faceoff against Obama for the 2008 nomination. The poll did not ask if Democrats would support particular challengers.

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  • Brian KrakowBrian Krakow Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Obama still has pretty decent (albeit negative) approval. I find it hard to believe that so many Democrats want a challenger.

    I miss the days when the President wasn't completely assured of his party's nomination, though.

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  • WMain00WMain00 Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Wikipedia's information on Marco Rubio is fairly short and timid. What's the real beef on this guy?

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  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Abstract Metal ThingyRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    You'd think that it'd be easier to go after the young because you have so many targets.

    Or in a lot of cases they are heavily concentrated at college campuses. In '08 we had someone manning a table at CU's student center every M-F for about 2 months before the election. We got most of our student volunteers that way. This time they decided not to do that. Thus we are woefully lacking younger volunteers which in turn help talk to other young voters.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Also worth watching is the three way Senate race in Alaska, featuring incumbent Senator Lisa Murkowski running as a write in candidate and apparently leading. The Republican who won the primary, Joe Miller, is a disaster of a candidate and is in free fall. The Democrat is lurking but remains unlikely to win. Murkowski looks like she'll hold onto her seat. If she tells the Republicans to fuck off, Lieberman style, might be worth watching.

    Not going to happen, she voted with them 90% of the time before. She's anti-abortion, anti-obamacare, etc. etc. About the the only thing she breaks rank for is global warming, and that's just because it's kind hard to deny it's effects when you can see firsthand how coastal erosion, directly attributed to global climate change, is literally putting rural villages in danger, and shrinking the size of the state. Given that she has the Rural vote, she'd be a fool not to do something about it.

    That's why I said Lieberman style, because it would be dumb and opposed to her theoretical ideology and just meant to be a dick move.

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Obama still has pretty decent (albeit negative) approval.
    Last I checked he was 54/46, although he was negative for most of the year.

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  • Brian KrakowBrian Krakow Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Obama still has pretty decent (albeit negative) approval.
    Last I checked he was 54/46, although he was negative for most of the year.
    Pollster says 45.2-49.6.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Obama still has pretty decent (albeit negative) approval. I find it hard to believe that so many Democrats want a challenger.

    I miss the days when the President wasn't completely assured of his party's nomination, though.

    ...1980? Pretty much exclusively?

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  • Brian KrakowBrian Krakow Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Obama still has pretty decent (albeit negative) approval. I find it hard to believe that so many Democrats want a challenger.

    I miss the days when the President wasn't completely assured of his party's nomination, though.

    ...1980? Pretty much exclusively?
    1976, 1968, 1948, 1936, 1912, and 1896 as well off the top of my head.

    Edit: 1952 also.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    So not so much with elected Presidents. Who challenged FDR in '36?

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  • Brian KrakowBrian Krakow Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    So not so much with elected Presidents. Who challenged FDR in '36?
    Huey Long probably would have had he not been assassinated. And half of those Presidents were elected in their own right.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    David Broder is an inhumane, sociopathic monster.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Anyway, researching now: '48 there was a move to dump Truman if they could get Eisenhauer, which didn't work for obvious Ike not being a Democrat reasons. '52 depends who you believe, Truman insisted he never intended to run for re-election. 1936 you're just wrong. The incredibly popular President swept to renomination.

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