The Wii had a few more good games for launch than this does. (More diverse games as well.)
Let's compare:
Noteworthy Wii launch titles:
Excite Truck
Twilight Princess
Red Steel
Super Monkey Ball
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Rayman Raving Rabbids
Wii Sports
Noteworthy Kinect launch titles:
Kinect Adventures
Kinect Sports
Kinectimals
Dance Central
A couple exercise games
Maybe something else (don't have reviews of everything yet)
The Wii lineup did look better, but keep in mind that some of those were ports that didn't really take advantage of the Wii's feature in any really meaningful way (like Zelda & Ultimate Alliance).
If you compare Kinect to the Wii Fit board (and they're about the same price if you're buying Kinect with a console bundle instead of standalone), things look much better. The Kinect library already looks much better at launch than the Wii Fit Board library looks now.
Why would you compare Wiifit to Kinect? It's 2 completly different things.
Your price is crap and is just MS spin. There is no way to buy it for $100. It's $150 standalone or $300 w/ 4GB Console plus the higher end bundle version.
Your price is crap and is just MS spin. There is no way to buy it for $100. It's $150 standalone or $300 w/ 4GB Console.
Also, come to think of it, the balance board was never really "launched." Nintendo just kind of made it for themselves, then casually made it available to other developers after the fact. The company never pushed it as a platform as Microsoft has done for Kinect. The message was all "hey Wii Fit is all kinds of versatile and awesome! Oh, and I suppose you could use it for other games if you want."
Your price is crap and is just MS spin. There is no way to buy it for $100. It's $150 standalone or $300 w/ 4GB Console plus the higher end bundle version.
For someone like myself who was planning on buying a new system anyway, it's effectively $100.
Your price is crap and is just MS spin. There is no way to buy it for $100. It's $150 standalone or $300 w/ 4GB Console plus the higher end bundle version.
For someone like myself who was planning on buying a new system anyway, it's effectively $100.
I agree with the point that few games have made use of the balance board. One of the reasons I'm skeptical of Kinect and Move is that they feel like technology that is being tested out for next gen. I don't know that developers are going to want to take the time to make a AAA title that might not be ready for release until after the hardware makers announce thier next consoles.
Move 2.0, Kinect 2.0, Wii 2.0 is where we really get moving.
The Kinect is $150 and you get $50 off if you buy it with a console making it effectively $100 if you were planning on buying a new 360. Pretty simple math here.
And I agree that the next generation of motion controllers will probably be drastically better than the current generation. Doesn't mean that there isn't some fun to be had with Kinect/Wii/Move in the meantime.
On September 1 at approximately 8:00pm, 27-year-old Makoto Sekiguchi from Yokohama uploaded images of unrevealed characters in the new Pokémon game Pocket Monsters: Black & White via his mobile phone. He is now in police custody.
According to 47 News (via ANN), Sekiguchi uploaded six images of unseen Pokémon, such as Chaoboo. The characters appear in Pokémon: Black & White, which was released in Japan on September 18. The characters did appear in the October issue of Japanese magazine CoroCoro Comic and were leaked before its September 15 ship date.
In a deposition, Sekiguchi stated, "Thought I would show everyone the characters that haven't been made public yet." Sekiguchi is charged with violating copyright infringement.
The Chikusei City police discovered the pictures while on "cyber patrol" (surfing the internet?) and are not attempting to pin down how Sekiguchi came in possession of them.
In Japan, it is incredibly common for magazine pages to leak online before they go on sale. Take, for example, game magazine Famitsu; it pops up online before it hits newsstands, and countless images are posted on the internet.
Here, one guy was arrested for it. Gotta catch 'em all.
Your price is crap and is just MS spin. There is no way to buy it for $100. It's $150 standalone or $300 w/ 4GB Console plus the higher end bundle version.
For someone like myself who was planning on buying a new system anyway, it's effectively $100.
Right, and for someone who took advantage of a Target sale recently, you could've gotten Wii Fit+ with the board for $77 instead of $88. That's why we don't include random rebates in these comparisons.
Balance board = $88
Kinect = $150
And no, they weren't developed with the same thoughts in mind. Wii Fit wasn't supposed to be a new console launch, or anything more than a vehicle for one specific game. The idea wasn't to buy this new exciting platform for its potential, it was made for Wii Fit and anything more was a bonus.
With Kinect, all of Microsoft's hopes and dreams are riding on it. You're being asked to buy it on potential, and they're saying that all games going forward are going to be compatible in some way. They want it inextricably linked with the console. The Wii board was never meant to be anything like that, and to compare the two is ludicrous.
The Kinect is $150 and you get $50 off if you buy it with a console making it effectively $100 if you were planning on buying a new 360. Pretty simple math here.
Once again no. You are buying a bundle for $300. They are not priced separately.
A limited time sale at a single store that most people didn't know about is very different than an official bundle.
And yes, if you want a Kinect system bundle, you're paying $300 or $400 for it, but you're not just getting Kinect with that bundle, you're also getting a 360 system which sells for $200 or $300 dollars. You're paying $100 extra to get Kinect if you buy it with a bundle. I'm not even sure why people are trying to argue this outside of blind hatred.
The Wii Fit board was primarily designed for Wii Fit, but there was a lot of talk early on about how it could open up new possibilities for other Wii games. Sadly, not much of anything came of this.
And yes, if you want a Kinect system bundle, you're paying $300 or $400 for it, but you're not just getting Kinect with that bundle, you're also getting a 360 system which sells for $200 or $300 dollars. You're paying $100 extra to get Kinect if you buy it with a bundle. I'm not even sure why people are trying to argue this outside of blind hatred.
What if the discount was on the system and not Kinect and I JUST BLEW YOUR MIND!
The Wii Fit board was primarily designed for Wii Fit, but there was a lot of talk early on about how it could open up new possibilities for other Wii games.
No there wasn't. It was made for Wii Fit. Other devs were like, "hey, can we use this for our skiing game" and Nintendo said sure, knock yourselves out, it's nothing any more special than a Rock Band drum set.
Kinect wasn't made for any game in particular. Devs are like, "uh, how are we supposed to develop interesting games for this?" and Microsoft said we don't care, but please for the love of God try, here, have these piles of money, just help us come up with anything that works on this device.
The Wii Fit board was primarily designed for Wii Fit, but there was a lot of talk early on about how it could open up new possibilities for other Wii games.
No there wasn't. It was made for Wii Fit. Other devs were like, "hey, can we use this for our skiing game" and Nintendo said sure, knock yourselves out, it's nothing any more special than a Rock Band drum set.
Kinect wasn't made for any game in particular. Devs are like, "uh, how are we supposed to develop interesting games for this?" and Microsoft said we don't care, but please for the love of God try, here, have these piles of money, just help us come up with anything that works on this device.
I don't see most producers doing anything other than the usual shovelware for it and the occasional decent dance game that wouldn't work well with a controller.
1. limited userbase even with great sales
2. lack of portability to PS3
3. lack of ease of use with the games they are used to making. The Wiimote was designed to be able to play most traditional genres well. This isn't.
4. if casuals are supposedly only interested in casual games, buying an Xbox 360 for Kinect shouldn't suddenly make them buy a bunch of Xbox360 games.
5. problems with integrating it into non-Kinect exclusive games in even token ways with the exception of menus and minigames outside the main game. This would be goddamn useless when you still have to use the controller. Developers aren't going to want to integrate it into the main game because it takes up 10 percent of the RAM or whatever.
So it really does require a completely bare space, with no coffee table in front or potted plants in the back.
That's game, Hendrix. Casuals and housewives are not going to redecorate their homes for this. The only way to make sure it 100% works is to specifically create a space for and around it. Something only a hardcore would do. Which has already been deemed is not for them.
The whole voice/gesture stuff though sounds very similar to internet surfing on consoles/handhelds, at least for me personally. The initial novelty of checking my email on my TV with my Wii, or net surfing on the DS while on the toilet is great. After 20 minutes though the utter clunkiness sets in and I realize using a PC is far superior. Sounds like the same deal here. Why spend 1 minute to do an action hands free when you can do it in 5 seconds and 2 button presses?
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I don't know. Seems more like a true sequel since we've moved beyond directly attacking a console and can now settle on control schemes. If that's not upping the crazy, then what else could it be?
With Kinect, all of Microsoft's hopes and dreams are riding on it.
No they aren't.
Oh you're right, it's not like they're trying to present it as their next console or anything. There's no money behind it. I forgot about that.
No they aren't, and of course their is money behind it. The 360 is doing fine on it's own. The Kinect it's MS' attempt at reaching the extended market currently occupied by the Wii. Of course their's money behind it. It's a product.
I just wanna know why some of you folks lose all rationality when it comes to an MS product.
That now looks to be changing, however, as Microsoft Shane Kim has told VentureBeat that the company "firmly" believes that the Xbox 360 "has a life cycle through 2015," or exactly ten years since it launched.
I'm sure you would be currently celebrating their market savvy had they gone 'It was for laughs really, we're starting a new generation in a couple years renderng this piece obsolete, but wanted to test some stuff out for the next console. Please pay a lot of money for this privelige.'
How do you violate copyright infringement and have it be a crime?
What's the confusion? Many torts are also crimes, or certain acts can be one type of tort and the set of facts can also establish a crime.
I can only really speak about the US, but here, copyright infringment is typically dealt with as a civil matter, but there are certain types of copyright infringement activities that are proscribed as crimes federally.
Whether you're optimistic or pessimistic about Kinect, I think we can all agree that random obscure Simpsons references are awesome.
Zuh?
God is taking Homer on a tour of Heaven. They pass by Ben Franklin and Jimi Hendrix playing ping-pong. The camera lingers, Franklin spikes, Hendrix misses. Franklin says "that's game, Hendrix!"
Incidentally, when I just did a google search for "that's game, hendrix" in a fruitless attempt to find a video what was the second result? THIS THREAD.
Whether you're optimistic or pessimistic about Kinect, I think we can all agree that random obscure Simpsons references are awesome.
Zuh?
God is taking Homer on a tour of Heaven. They pass by Ben Franklin and Jimi Hendrix playing ping-pong. The camera lingers, Franklin spikes, Hendrix misses. Franklin says "that's game, Hendrix!"
Incidentally, when I just did a google search for "that's game, hendrix" in a fruitless attempt to find a video what was the second result? THIS THREAD.
...I know
Exclamation used when one cannot comprehend a complex situation or statement. Used by Bart Simpson, in the episode "The PTA Disbands", when Milhouse says to Bart: "Bart, you'll never get Krabappel and Skinner together again. They're like two positively charged ions." Bart responds, "Zuh?"
The word was also used by Homer in the episode "The Frying Game" when he could not think of anymore similar-sounding exclamations.
Homer (upon seeing the corpse of Mrs. Bellamy): Wha? Muh? Buh?...Zuh?
A limited time sale at a single store that most people didn't know about is very different than an official bundle.
And yes, if you want a Kinect system bundle, you're paying $300 or $400 for it, but you're not just getting Kinect with that bundle, you're also getting a 360 system which sells for $200 or $300 dollars. You're paying $100 extra to get Kinect if you buy it with a bundle. I'm not even sure why people are trying to argue this outside of blind hatred.
The Wii Fit board was primarily designed for Wii Fit, but there was a lot of talk early on about how it could open up new possibilities for other Wii games. Sadly, not much of anything came of this.
Well, a 360 is going to be of limited value to the type of demographic that doesn't care about the enthusiast press' review scores. You can't have it both ways.
Which is why you should never release a peripheral for your console that is aimed directly at people that don't own your console.
Duh.
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How do you violate copyright infringement and have it be a crime?
What's the confusion? Many torts are also crimes, or certain acts can be one type of tort and the set of facts can also establish a crime.
I can only really speak about the US, but here, copyright infringment is typically dealt with as a civil matter, but there are certain types of copyright infringement activities that are proscribed as crimes federally.
The standards are usually different even if they are called the same thing. Criminal assault isn't exactly tort assault.
How do you violate copyright infringement and have it be a crime?
What's the confusion? Many torts are also crimes, or certain acts can be one type of tort and the set of facts can also establish a crime.
I can only really speak about the US, but here, copyright infringment is typically dealt with as a civil matter, but there are certain types of copyright infringement activities that are proscribed as crimes federally.
The standards are usually different even if they are called the same thing. Criminal assault isn't exactly tort assault.
Right, the standards as well as specific elements can vary. Which is what I meant when I said the 'set of facts' can establish a crime if the situation provides; and sometimes the "tort" and the "crime" aren't the same thing per se.
If you violate the rule for federal, criminal copyright infringement in the USA, I could almost assure you the copyright proprietor could also sue civilly.
tldr - sometimes copyright infringement is a crime. that doesn't preclude the set of facts also producing civil liability for copyright inf.
A limited time sale at a single store that most people didn't know about is very different than an official bundle.
And yes, if you want a Kinect system bundle, you're paying $300 or $400 for it, but you're not just getting Kinect with that bundle, you're also getting a 360 system which sells for $200 or $300 dollars. You're paying $100 extra to get Kinect if you buy it with a bundle. I'm not even sure why people are trying to argue this outside of blind hatred.
The Wii Fit board was primarily designed for Wii Fit, but there was a lot of talk early on about how it could open up new possibilities for other Wii games. Sadly, not much of anything came of this.
Well, a 360 is going to be of limited value to the type of demographic that doesn't care about the enthusiast press' review scores. You can't have it both ways.
Which is why you should never release a peripheral for your console that is aimed directly at people that don't own your console.
Duh.
As Nintendo put it, there's the ALWAYS, SOMETIMES and NEVER crowd.
Ah, I wish I could find that video with the one lady with her arms folded, labeled as NEVER.
Do you wanna play some games?
NEVER
Not even a little Wii Sports or something fun and simple
NEVER!
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Why would you compare Wiifit to Kinect? It's 2 completly different things.
Because they're both accessories that cost about the same amount of money.
Wii Fit+ w/Balance Board - $100
Kinect w/Kinect Adventures - $100 w/Console, $150 standalone.
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The balance board library is another reason I worry about Kinect third-party support.
Oh, not to interrupt all the Kinect stuff, but we've finally gotten an indication on how well the PSP Go's price drop to $199 is working out:
Best Buy has it on sale for $150. On the one hand that's the price it needed to be in the first place; on the other--ouch.
Your price is crap and is just MS spin. There is no way to buy it for $100. It's $150 standalone or $300 w/ 4GB Console plus the higher end bundle version.
Also, come to think of it, the balance board was never really "launched." Nintendo just kind of made it for themselves, then casually made it available to other developers after the fact. The company never pushed it as a platform as Microsoft has done for Kinect. The message was all "hey Wii Fit is all kinds of versatile and awesome! Oh, and I suppose you could use it for other games if you want."
For someone like myself who was planning on buying a new system anyway, it's effectively $100.
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No it's not.
Move 2.0, Kinect 2.0, Wii 2.0 is where we really get moving.
And I agree that the next generation of motion controllers will probably be drastically better than the current generation. Doesn't mean that there isn't some fun to be had with Kinect/Wii/Move in the meantime.
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Right, and for someone who took advantage of a Target sale recently, you could've gotten Wii Fit+ with the board for $77 instead of $88. That's why we don't include random rebates in these comparisons.
Balance board = $88
Kinect = $150
And no, they weren't developed with the same thoughts in mind. Wii Fit wasn't supposed to be a new console launch, or anything more than a vehicle for one specific game. The idea wasn't to buy this new exciting platform for its potential, it was made for Wii Fit and anything more was a bonus.
With Kinect, all of Microsoft's hopes and dreams are riding on it. You're being asked to buy it on potential, and they're saying that all games going forward are going to be compatible in some way. They want it inextricably linked with the console. The Wii board was never meant to be anything like that, and to compare the two is ludicrous.
Once again no. You are buying a bundle for $300. They are not priced separately.
And yes, if you want a Kinect system bundle, you're paying $300 or $400 for it, but you're not just getting Kinect with that bundle, you're also getting a 360 system which sells for $200 or $300 dollars. You're paying $100 extra to get Kinect if you buy it with a bundle. I'm not even sure why people are trying to argue this outside of blind hatred.
The Wii Fit board was primarily designed for Wii Fit, but there was a lot of talk early on about how it could open up new possibilities for other Wii games. Sadly, not much of anything came of this.
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What if the discount was on the system and not Kinect and I JUST BLEW YOUR MIND!
No there wasn't. It was made for Wii Fit. Other devs were like, "hey, can we use this for our skiing game" and Nintendo said sure, knock yourselves out, it's nothing any more special than a Rock Band drum set.
Kinect wasn't made for any game in particular. Devs are like, "uh, how are we supposed to develop interesting games for this?" and Microsoft said we don't care, but please for the love of God try, here, have these piles of money, just help us come up with anything that works on this device.
No they aren't.
I don't see most producers doing anything other than the usual shovelware for it and the occasional decent dance game that wouldn't work well with a controller.
1. limited userbase even with great sales
2. lack of portability to PS3
3. lack of ease of use with the games they are used to making. The Wiimote was designed to be able to play most traditional genres well. This isn't.
4. if casuals are supposedly only interested in casual games, buying an Xbox 360 for Kinect shouldn't suddenly make them buy a bunch of Xbox360 games.
5. problems with integrating it into non-Kinect exclusive games in even token ways with the exception of menus and minigames outside the main game. This would be goddamn useless when you still have to use the controller. Developers aren't going to want to integrate it into the main game because it takes up 10 percent of the RAM or whatever.
Oh you're right, it's not like they're trying to present it as their next console or anything. There's no money behind it. I forgot about that.
This is more of a filler arc.
That's game, Hendrix. Casuals and housewives are not going to redecorate their homes for this. The only way to make sure it 100% works is to specifically create a space for and around it. Something only a hardcore would do. Which has already been deemed is not for them.
The whole voice/gesture stuff though sounds very similar to internet surfing on consoles/handhelds, at least for me personally. The initial novelty of checking my email on my TV with my Wii, or net surfing on the DS while on the toilet is great. After 20 minutes though the utter clunkiness sets in and I realize using a PC is far superior. Sounds like the same deal here. Why spend 1 minute to do an action hands free when you can do it in 5 seconds and 2 button presses?
I don't know. Seems more like a true sequel since we've moved beyond directly attacking a console and can now settle on control schemes. If that's not upping the crazy, then what else could it be?
No they aren't, and of course their is money behind it. The 360 is doing fine on it's own. The Kinect it's MS' attempt at reaching the extended market currently occupied by the Wii. Of course their's money behind it. It's a product.
I just wanna know why some of you folks lose all rationality when it comes to an MS product.
Or maybe it's a Non Nintendo product instead?
Ah. So now we're holding other companies up to Sony's lofty PR statements?
I imagine that by 2015 we'll have replacements for all three current consoles.
Whether you're optimistic or pessimistic about Kinect, I think we can all agree that random obscure Simpsons references are awesome.
Zuh?
What's the confusion? Many torts are also crimes, or certain acts can be one type of tort and the set of facts can also establish a crime.
I can only really speak about the US, but here, copyright infringment is typically dealt with as a civil matter, but there are certain types of copyright infringement activities that are proscribed as crimes federally.
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God is taking Homer on a tour of Heaven. They pass by Ben Franklin and Jimi Hendrix playing ping-pong. The camera lingers, Franklin spikes, Hendrix misses. Franklin says "that's game, Hendrix!"
Incidentally, when I just did a google search for "that's game, hendrix" in a fruitless attempt to find a video what was the second result? THIS THREAD.
...I know
Well, a 360 is going to be of limited value to the type of demographic that doesn't care about the enthusiast press' review scores. You can't have it both ways.
Which is why you should never release a peripheral for your console that is aimed directly at people that don't own your console.
Duh.
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The standards are usually different even if they are called the same thing. Criminal assault isn't exactly tort assault.
Right, the standards as well as specific elements can vary. Which is what I meant when I said the 'set of facts' can establish a crime if the situation provides; and sometimes the "tort" and the "crime" aren't the same thing per se.
If you violate the rule for federal, criminal copyright infringement in the USA, I could almost assure you the copyright proprietor could also sue civilly.
tldr - sometimes copyright infringement is a crime. that doesn't preclude the set of facts also producing civil liability for copyright inf.
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As Nintendo put it, there's the ALWAYS, SOMETIMES and NEVER crowd.
Ah, I wish I could find that video with the one lady with her arms folded, labeled as NEVER.
Do you wanna play some games?
NEVER
Not even a little Wii Sports or something fun and simple
NEVER!