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Every time I try to cook rice (boring old long grain white rice) it comes out gummy or soupy. I suspect the problem is I'm cooking at high altitude (5200 feet). I've tried adding more water, tried lower or higher heat, tried tried cooking it longer, nothing works. Anyone have any recommendations for trying to get rice to cook up nice and fluffy?
You want less water, not more, if you're getting gummy or soupy rice. If you're not using enough water the rice will be crunchy and stick to the bottom of the pan or cooker. I don't know how to adjust the ratio for altitude, though.
Also, you can wash the rice first if you want it to look nice, especially if it's coming out on the gluey side of gummy. It depends on the brand. American-made white rice tends not to have all the starch and powder and stuff, and usually doesn't need washing.
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ShogunHair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get alongRegistered Userregular
edited November 2010
To cook rice at a higher altitude requires a bit more liquid and cooking it longer. At 5000 ft water boils at 203 F. Increase the amount of water by a few tablespoons and cook it for an additional 5 minutes past whatever it says on the package.
When its done if you find some water still in the bottom cook it for a few more minutes. If when its done your rice is still too al dente throw in another couple tablespoons of water and cook for a few more minutes.
I'm pretty horrible at cooking rice myself.
I tend to start with a smaller amount of water and add more if it boils away and isn't finished cooking yet.
It's hella easy to add water rather than take it out.
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mightyjongyoSour CrrmEast Bay, CaliforniaRegistered Userregular
edited November 2010
Are you using a rice cooker? That might help a little.
If you aren't using a rice cooker - get one. Newegg has some for around 10-15 dollars. I nabbed one for 5 bucks a few weeks ago, in the 'open box' category.
Here's a long winded semi-technical explanation as to why -
Since the boiling point of water is lower, you probably aren't getting the kind of temperature you need to cook rice. Most rice cookers are automatic - they go from "cook" to "warm" when the temperature inside the compartment reaches 212 degrees- This doesn't happen until all the water has vaporized. This is going to stop the soupiness, and also make sure the rice is done.
Assuming you're talking about your standard long grain white (basmati hybrid) then do this. Place 1 part rice to 2 parts water in a pot. Bring to boil. Stir once. Cover tightly. Turn heat down to low. Do not open the lid! Wait 25 minutes and check; 20 minutes is good for my altitude around 600-800 ft, higher altitude will require more time so I'm thinking it'll take 25 for you. Rice should be fully set with steamholes showing. Then you can fluff it if you like.
If you want to season during cooking, then add salt AFTER it's been brought to boil.
My wife and I after college picked up a cheapo Black and Decker rice cooker that we put up with up until her wedding shower. At the shower, she was given a Zojirushi rice maker. I have never had rice as good as what that rice maker can produce outside of a couple of local area restaurants. Not a single grain is under/overcooked, and none of it sticks to the inner pan. Look into one. If you enjoy a good bowl of rice, you won't regret it.
My wife and I after college picked up a cheapo Black and Decker rice cooker that we put up with up until her wedding shower. At the shower, she was given a Zojirushi rice maker. I have never had rice as good as what that rice maker can produce outside of a couple of local area restaurants. Not a single grain is under/overcooked, and none of it sticks to the inner pan. Look into one. If you enjoy a good bowl of rice, you won't regret it.
Also, a lot of rice cookers have secondary functions like steaming vegetables and stuff, it's worth it. Plus it doesn't require you to check the stove while cooking, just turn it on and come back when it's done.
I picked up a cheapo rice cooker from walmart and it's been a trial and error process to get something that isn't paste or crystalized rice. My friend told me his mom cooks rice and uses her finger to measure how much water to use. Basically put your index finger on the top of the rice and make sure the water line is at or below your first knuckle. Eventually you'll figure out the right ratio, good thing rice is cheap. Good luck.
My wife and I after college picked up a cheapo Black and Decker rice cooker that we put up with up until her wedding shower. At the shower, she was given a Zojirushi rice maker. I have never had rice as good as what that rice maker can produce outside of a couple of local area restaurants. Not a single grain is under/overcooked, and none of it sticks to the inner pan. Look into one. If you enjoy a good bowl of rice, you won't regret it.
Also, a lot of rice cookers have secondary functions like steaming vegetables and stuff, it's worth it. Plus it doesn't require you to check the stove while cooking, just turn it on and come back when it's done.
Edit: re the come back when it's done comment.
You can do the same in a pan
I appreciate that some people find them easier but it's just a question of measurements.
My wife and I after college picked up a cheapo Black and Decker rice cooker that we put up with up until her wedding shower. At the shower, she was given a Zojirushi rice maker. I have never had rice as good as what that rice maker can produce outside of a couple of local area restaurants. Not a single grain is under/overcooked, and none of it sticks to the inner pan. Look into one. If you enjoy a good bowl of rice, you won't regret it.
I gotta second this. They may seem a little pricey but they are just great. Great rice with complete lack of hassle. Rice cooked perfectly with basically zero clean up.
My wife and I after college picked up a cheapo Black and Decker rice cooker that we put up with up until her wedding shower. At the shower, she was given a Zojirushi rice maker. I have never had rice as good as what that rice maker can produce outside of a couple of local area restaurants. Not a single grain is under/overcooked, and none of it sticks to the inner pan. Look into one. If you enjoy a good bowl of rice, you won't regret it.
I gotta second this. They may seem a little pricey but they are just great. Great rice with complete lack of hassle. Rice cooked perfectly with basically zero clean up.
Thirding this. Got a Zojirushi for my fiancee based on recommendations from this forum and don't regret it one bit. But yeah, this is only a viable alternative if you can afford it because that brand is expensive.
Psychotic OneThe Lord of No PantsParts UnknownRegistered Userregular
edited November 2010
In my ancient rice cooker I go a cup of rice to a cup of water. So when making a big pot of it I go 3 cups of rice/water. Usually comes out just right with minimal sticking to the bottom.
My wife and I after college picked up a cheapo Black and Decker rice cooker that we put up with up until her wedding shower. At the shower, she was given a Zojirushi rice maker. I have never had rice as good as what that rice maker can produce outside of a couple of local area restaurants. Not a single grain is under/overcooked, and none of it sticks to the inner pan. Look into one. If you enjoy a good bowl of rice, you won't regret it.
I gotta second this. They may seem a little pricey but they are just great. Great rice with complete lack of hassle. Rice cooked perfectly with basically zero clean up.
Thirding this. Got a Zojirushi for my fiancee based on recommendations from this forum and don't regret it one bit. But yeah, this is only a viable alternative if you can afford it because that brand is expensive.
I just got my Zojirushi today! I can never, ever get my rice right in a pot and the two rice cookers I've had before tend to stop being so... good, after a while. I decided to shell out the extra money for the Zojirushi after lots of research and playing with my friends- it does pretty much every type of rice imaginable and it comes out perfectly. It's also super easy to clean and seems like the rice cooker that will last us for... a very, very, very long time.
The thing I noticed with a couple of rice cookers is that the 'cup' scooper they come with is actually closer to 3/4 of a cup. My cheap little rice cooker had this, so I just put the rice in it and filled it with water based on the lines on the side of the pot. So 4 'cups' would mean I fill to the 4 cup line. Worked for me.
Now, I usually just follow Adda's method. Minus the oil. And I do 1 1/2 cups water to 1 cup rice. I just heat the water with some butter and salt, add the rice when it's boiling and cover for 20 minutes.
I also have a Zojirushi I got a couple years ago (the ZCC10 5 1/2 cup model), and I can also say it's been nothing but good...used it for white rice, brown rice, and steel cut oats, takes about 5 minutes to clean up afterwards with the non-stick inner pot.
As said, they're not cheap ($163 for mine back then), but it's been worth every penny in terms of not ruining the rice and having better quality - I never liked brown rice until I made it using the cooker.
So it looks like a rice cooker is the best option? I've been hesitant to get one because I like cooking rice in flavored stock (shrimp rice is the best) and am concerned about keeping an appliance clean doing that.
So it looks like a rice cooker is the best option? I've been hesitant to get one because I like cooking rice in flavored stock (shrimp rice is the best) and am concerned about keeping an appliance clean doing that.
Take a look at the specific model of rice cooker before you buy it if you're concerned, but it shouldn't be a problem. We use chicken stock / wine / coconut milk / etc. in our rice cooker all the time with no problems. Basically to clean the thing you remove the bowl, wash it, and then wipe the underside of the cooker lid (where the steam hits while it's cooking) - this is the same routine whether you're using flavoured stock or not.
I make shrimp rice for my jambalaya recipe on a fairly regular basis (replace half your rice water with shrimp stock made from shells/tails of the shrimp you put in the dish) as well as a bastardized "spanish" rice with chicken stock and seasonings. If a rice cooker can do those without suffering any damage and provide nice fluffy rice I'm sold.
I make shrimp rice for my jambalaya recipe on a fairly regular basis (replace half your rice water with shrimp stock made from shells/tails of the shrimp you put in the dish) as well as a bastardized "spanish" rice with chicken stock and seasonings. If a rice cooker can do those without suffering any damage and provide nice fluffy rice I'm sold.
Yeah that is my only reservation with rice cookers. You can get a standardized and reliable pot of rice but you have less control over what you can do with it. Personally I suggest getting really good at classic rice cooking if you really like rice because a lot of things (any rice dishes you cook in one big pot like jambalaya) can't be made with a rice cooker.
I make shrimp rice for my jambalaya recipe on a fairly regular basis (replace half your rice water with shrimp stock made from shells/tails of the shrimp you put in the dish) as well as a bastardized "spanish" rice with chicken stock and seasonings. If a rice cooker can do those without suffering any damage and provide nice fluffy rice I'm sold.
Yeah that is my only reservation with rice cookers. You can get a standardized and reliable pot of rice but you have less control over what you can do with it. Personally I suggest getting really good at classic rice cooking if you really like rice because a lot of things (any rice dishes you cook in one big pot like jambalaya) can't be made with a rice cooker.
Well my jambalaya is more a bastard gumbo/jambalaya hybrid, I cook the rice separately. Mostly because the only all-in-one rice dish I've had any success with is risotto (which just takes more stock and more time at altitude). I've cooked dozens if not more than a hundred pots of rice over the years and the best I come up with is "less sticky" but it's still far from perfect.
Cooking at High Altitudes requires a pressure cooker. I remember learning this from a physics book. Buy a pressure cooker and your rice will come out much better. On a side note rice is not as healthy as people think so you might want read up on a paleolithic diet but that's a whole separate discussion...
UPDATE:
I found my physic book, the actual reason food does not cook well at high altitude is called "ideal gas laws" A Frenchman had solved this problem by inventing the early pressure cooker known as the "steam digester" in the 17th century. So go buy a pressure cooker if your cooking at high alt!
Lower atmospheric pressure is the reason that high altitude cooking is harder, yes, but using a pressure cooker for everything is an unreasonable solution to the problem.
Physics books can't really teach you how to cook.
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Blake TDo you have enemies then?Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered Userregular
edited November 2010
Rice cookers work fine with any type of liquid.
People can spend as much as they want on rice cookers but I bought the cheapest one I could find and it works a damn treat.
The only thing you need to remember is when you clean it you need to let it soak in water for a while, so you finish cooking, fluff the rice or whatever and then empty it eventually and fill it up with water and let it sit.
Otherwise you tend to tear up the enamel on the bottom of the pot.
I live in a pretty back-woods area of Canada, but I worked as a prep cook dicing veggies and doing dishes in a small kitchen up north with only one other cook: a chef who had an off-again on-again relationship with success. His father-in-law owned the restaurant and he wanted to help him start it since his own restaurant in the city had failed. After he got the business started up he moved back to the city and worked in someone else's place, eventually becoming the 2nd highest paid chef in the province (later going back up north to his father-in-law's place because of some cocaine problems but that's another story).
The point? The man would not cook rice. He said it was too hard, when he was learning how to cook his boss had yelled at him until he cried about what an idiot he was for not knowing how to cook massive amounts of rice, etc. So I had to cook all the rice, and yeah, it was pretty easy to mess up.
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Donovan PuppyfuckerA dagger in the dark isworth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered Userregular
edited November 2010
I gots me a George Foreman rice cooker for $20, so the same thing should cost about $10 Ameribux.
You get a dinky little measuring cup with it, I threw that out.
1.5 cups rice (I love jasmine rice), 3 cups water, press the button and when it beeps, perfect rice.
The bowl's teflon coated, so I just swish some water in it and wipe it dry.
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Also, you can wash the rice first if you want it to look nice, especially if it's coming out on the gluey side of gummy. It depends on the brand. American-made white rice tends not to have all the starch and powder and stuff, and usually doesn't need washing.
When its done if you find some water still in the bottom cook it for a few more minutes. If when its done your rice is still too al dente throw in another couple tablespoons of water and cook for a few more minutes.
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I tend to start with a smaller amount of water and add more if it boils away and isn't finished cooking yet.
It's hella easy to add water rather than take it out.
measures are 2 of water to every rice (so cups mugs whatever)
heat a little bit of oil in a sauce pan.
add the rice and stir to get it all coated (this helps it not stick together.)
add boiling water to the measurements above. (along with salt if you prefer)
Stir.
Add lid(don't take the lid off until the time is up.)
Turn the heat low.
Cook for 20 minutes (30 if brown rice.)
Enjoy perfect rice. (May need to be slightly drained if brown rice)
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Here's a long winded semi-technical explanation as to why -
Since the boiling point of water is lower, you probably aren't getting the kind of temperature you need to cook rice. Most rice cookers are automatic - they go from "cook" to "warm" when the temperature inside the compartment reaches 212 degrees- This doesn't happen until all the water has vaporized. This is going to stop the soupiness, and also make sure the rice is done.
-Current W.I.P.
If you want to season during cooking, then add salt AFTER it's been brought to boil.
My wife and I after college picked up a cheapo Black and Decker rice cooker that we put up with up until her wedding shower. At the shower, she was given a Zojirushi rice maker. I have never had rice as good as what that rice maker can produce outside of a couple of local area restaurants. Not a single grain is under/overcooked, and none of it sticks to the inner pan. Look into one. If you enjoy a good bowl of rice, you won't regret it.
Also, a lot of rice cookers have secondary functions like steaming vegetables and stuff, it's worth it. Plus it doesn't require you to check the stove while cooking, just turn it on and come back when it's done.
Edit: re the come back when it's done comment.
You can do the same in a pan
I appreciate that some people find them easier but it's just a question of measurements.
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I gotta second this. They may seem a little pricey but they are just great. Great rice with complete lack of hassle. Rice cooked perfectly with basically zero clean up.
Thirding this. Got a Zojirushi for my fiancee based on recommendations from this forum and don't regret it one bit. But yeah, this is only a viable alternative if you can afford it because that brand is expensive.
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I just got my Zojirushi today! I can never, ever get my rice right in a pot and the two rice cookers I've had before tend to stop being so... good, after a while. I decided to shell out the extra money for the Zojirushi after lots of research and playing with my friends- it does pretty much every type of rice imaginable and it comes out perfectly. It's also super easy to clean and seems like the rice cooker that will last us for... a very, very, very long time.
Now, I usually just follow Adda's method. Minus the oil. And I do 1 1/2 cups water to 1 cup rice. I just heat the water with some butter and salt, add the rice when it's boiling and cover for 20 minutes.
As said, they're not cheap ($163 for mine back then), but it's been worth every penny in terms of not ruining the rice and having better quality - I never liked brown rice until I made it using the cooker.
High altitude cooking just sucks.
Take a look at the specific model of rice cooker before you buy it if you're concerned, but it shouldn't be a problem. We use chicken stock / wine / coconut milk / etc. in our rice cooker all the time with no problems. Basically to clean the thing you remove the bowl, wash it, and then wipe the underside of the cooker lid (where the steam hits while it's cooking) - this is the same routine whether you're using flavoured stock or not.
*With the exception of also adding just about anything you want like butter or olive oil, pepper, or diced vegetables.
Yeah that is my only reservation with rice cookers. You can get a standardized and reliable pot of rice but you have less control over what you can do with it. Personally I suggest getting really good at classic rice cooking if you really like rice because a lot of things (any rice dishes you cook in one big pot like jambalaya) can't be made with a rice cooker.
Well my jambalaya is more a bastard gumbo/jambalaya hybrid, I cook the rice separately. Mostly because the only all-in-one rice dish I've had any success with is risotto (which just takes more stock and more time at altitude). I've cooked dozens if not more than a hundred pots of rice over the years and the best I come up with is "less sticky" but it's still far from perfect.
UPDATE:
I found my physic book, the actual reason food does not cook well at high altitude is called "ideal gas laws" A Frenchman had solved this problem by inventing the early pressure cooker known as the "steam digester" in the 17th century. So go buy a pressure cooker if your cooking at high alt!
Physics books can't really teach you how to cook.
People can spend as much as they want on rice cookers but I bought the cheapest one I could find and it works a damn treat.
The only thing you need to remember is when you clean it you need to let it soak in water for a while, so you finish cooking, fluff the rice or whatever and then empty it eventually and fill it up with water and let it sit.
Otherwise you tend to tear up the enamel on the bottom of the pot.
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The point? The man would not cook rice. He said it was too hard, when he was learning how to cook his boss had yelled at him until he cried about what an idiot he was for not knowing how to cook massive amounts of rice, etc. So I had to cook all the rice, and yeah, it was pretty easy to mess up.
You get a dinky little measuring cup with it, I threw that out.
1.5 cups rice (I love jasmine rice), 3 cups water, press the button and when it beeps, perfect rice.
The bowl's teflon coated, so I just swish some water in it and wipe it dry.