I finally got my 3rd runebook page. 1 & 2 vary on ARpen vs MRpen, but both have mana regen/level seals, flat CDR glyphs, and health quints.
I'm thinking of making page 3 a general tanking page, with ARpen marks, flat CDR glyphs, and health quints, but here's my query:
Dodge or hp/lvl seals? I'm thinking dodge so I can also use them for my paxjax, but I don't know whether dodge is useful against anything but autoattackers.
I followed reginalds guide exactly, his build and his video and I am getting fucking pooped on by kat in mid. What the fuck do I do? I get her to 1/5 hp and she just teleports to me and inst gibbs me without ult.
God damnit its like no matter what I do there is some counter hero to me, she tower dove me and killed me again with 1/3 hp.
I played against a competent Kat mid recently and got stomped as well. Playing defensive didn't work very well because that Bouncing Blade goes forreeeeever. I figure next time I face her I'll try to match her pound for pound if she tries to pull that shit again. Just stay up in her face (not letting her melee though) and Explosive Shot her every damn time she uses it, plus auto-attacks, and hopefully she'll stay lower than me and will be too worried to Shunpo.
That's about all I can figure. It'll probably get me killed.
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Err wait was that a trist guide? I saw Reg and just assumed Kayle.
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It should also be noted that Reginald as a player got an EXTREMELY aggressive playstyle, so playing exactly like him isn't a good idea until you learn what your champion can do and what others can do to you. Katarina is insanely good early game, so just keep yourself away from harm and just try to last hit as much as you can.
Don't underestimate how far Katarina can harass you from with Bouncing Blade. She can harass you behind your tower by bouncing it from creep to creep. Playing conservatively will lose the lane against her I think... she'll just whittle you down.
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Kat going mid is for the purposes of feeding off of squishy carries who typically take the solo on the opposing team. You might want to consider lane swapping with someone sturdier in that case.
edit: If you're Tristana, you should be harassing the balls out of Kat. BB has a what, 9 second cooldown at lvl 1? You can do some dirty shit while she's waiting for her CDs to come off.
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I finally got my 3rd runebook page. 1 & 2 vary on ARpen vs MRpen, but both have mana regen/level seals, flat CDR glyphs, and health quints.
I'm thinking of making page 3 a general tanking page, with ARpen marks, flat CDR glyphs, and health quints, but here's my query:
Dodge or hp/lvl seals? I'm thinking dodge so I can also use them for my paxjax, but I don't know whether dodge is useful against anything but autoattackers.
I was half hp and it happened again while i was running back to heal.
Well if she has 30 AP let's say and she's leveling shunpo to be more AP-y, she'll likely do around 180 damage from shunpo, around 50 from a punch, and 40 or so from a bouncing blade if she's level 5.
I mean who are you playing where this is happening? Kat is a pain in the ass to mid against if she knows what she's doing, that's for sure.
I finally got my 3rd runebook page. 1 & 2 vary on ARpen vs MRpen, but both have mana regen/level seals, flat CDR glyphs, and health quints.
I'm thinking of making page 3 a general tanking page, with ARpen marks, flat CDR glyphs, and health quints, but here's my query:
Dodge or hp/lvl seals? I'm thinking dodge so I can also use them for my paxjax, but I don't know whether dodge is useful against anything but autoattackers.
Apparently they want to rework Mundo so that he's less 'meh' on SR and also less 'king of everything' on TT. Probably looking at his ultimate. Wonder what they're gonna do. Losing the healing aspect of it for damage reduction or something would be lame.
mundo is awesome where he pleases, i don't want him to change.
Apparently they want to rework Mundo so that he's less 'meh' on SR and also less 'king of everything' on TT. Probably looking at his ultimate. Wonder what they're gonna do. Losing the healing aspect of it for damage reduction or something would be lame.
mundo is awesome where he pleases, i don't want him to change.
MUNDO... DON'T GO CHANGIN'
Give mundo more movespeed, dodge, and the ability to run through creeps
Tristana should be able to lane against anyone. She's one of the best laners in the game.
The more I think about it, it seems like what you'd want to do is sit right behind your creep line, so if she Shunpos onto you she jumps right into the middle of them and starts getting beat on by them plus your damage. (You can also jump ontop of her at this point, further increasing the damage and slowing her so you can get in more autoattacks if she decides to run away.) The advantage to this is she can't hit you with Bouncing Blade without you also hitting her back with Explosive Shot + an autoattack. I'm not sure if this is quite enough to keep up with her, but executed properly, it seems like it would be.
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Tristana should be able to lane against anyone. She's one of the best laners in the game.
The more I think about it, it seems like what you'd want to do is sit right behind your creep line, so if she Shunpos onto you she jumps right into the middle of them and starts getting beat on by them plus your damage. (You can also jump ontop of her at this point, further increasing the damage and slowing her so you can get in more autoattacks if she decides to run away.) The advantage to this is she can't hit you with Bouncing Blade without you also hitting her back with Explosive Shot + an autoattack. I'm not sure if this is quite enough to keep up with her, but executed properly, it seems like it would be.
Tristana has issues with heroes that have more range. Ryze and Sivir stand out in my mind. Ashe too if they are good. Life drain heroes like Vlad can be an issue as well. Distance closers like Jax can be occasionally troublesome.
The hardest I ever went against on Trist was probably Sion. I dunno if it was him or the player.
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I've never had any problems with Ashe solo mid--maybe I just haven't faced good ones, but really she just becomes silly easy to harass the higher level you get and the more range your passive gains, and, if she sits back and lets you farm (most of them do because Ashe players have been schooled to play conservatively and prioritize farming), you're stronger than she is late game, at least in terms of damage output and escapes.
I can see Sivir and Ryze though, definitely.
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I've never had any problems with Ashe solo mid--maybe I just haven't faced good ones, but really she just becomes silly easy to harass the higher level you get and the more range your passive gains, and, if she sits back and lets you farm (most of them do because Ashe players have been schooled to play conservatively and prioritize farming), you're stronger than she is late game, at least in terms of damage output and escapes.
Yeah, pretty much. But every blue moon I come across a really smart one and have trouble, in early game anyway.
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edited November 2010
Trist should beat Ashe considering Ashe can't stay near her creeps or eat Explosive Shot splash while Trist uses hers as cover from Volley. Plus, Trist will have better range and better escaping.
apparently some famous dochebag got banned for charging people to play ranked games on their accounts
and Riot is a bunch of fascists or something for banning him I don't even know
Tell me more about this.
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There's nothing to know.
Hotshot is currently banned for 10 years.
He asked Pendragon, Pendragon told him he doesn't know why (guess they're investigating it).
Red hasn't responded on forums.
It's probably a temporary error.
apparently some famous dochebag got banned for charging people to play ranked games on their accounts
and Riot is a bunch of fascists or something for banning him I don't even know
Tell me more about this.
(official forums blocked @ work)
I don't know anything about it, but it certainly sounds like something that would be against the EULA, which can get you banned. At first I was confused because I thought you were calling Riot fascists, then I realized that's what the forums are saying.
Tristana should be able to lane against anyone. She's one of the best laners in the game.
The more I think about it, it seems like what you'd want to do is sit right behind your creep line, so if she Shunpos onto you she jumps right into the middle of them and starts getting beat on by them plus your damage. (You can also jump ontop of her at this point, further increasing the damage and slowing her so you can get in more autoattacks if she decides to run away.) The advantage to this is she can't hit you with Bouncing Blade without you also hitting her back with Explosive Shot + an autoattack. I'm not sure if this is quite enough to keep up with her, but executed properly, it seems like it would be.
champs like fiddle, kat, and morde absolutely shut trist down COMPLETELY, especially fiddlesticks. She will never get within 10 feet of a creep without being fear/drained. You're pretty much garunteed fb if you're fiddlesticks against trist.
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I followed reginalds guide exactly, his build and his video and I am getting fucking pooped on by kat in mid. What the fuck do I do? I get her to 1/5 hp and she just teleports to me and inst gibbs me without ult.
God damnit its like no matter what I do there is some counter hero to me, she tower dove me and killed me again with 1/3 hp.
Yeah, Kat is a pain in middle. The thing is Kat in middle has to count on you be scared. So if she shunpo's on you, the correct response isn't to run but to just start smacking her back. But she's hella hard, as are Kennen and vlad. A really good Kennen totally shut me down in middle yesterday because he just kept stunning the shit out of me and zoning me out of creep range. It was super frustrating.
last night i played one last game of TT before bed. team was teemo and olaf, so i took WW, to give me some extra carry power.
we got wiped out pre creeps. they were sion, udyr, trynd. the teemo was shit. started with amp tome and a nice 420 health or some shit, he got killed like 5 times in lane because sion sneezed at him. olaf was just as squishy somehow.
despite all this, i got my farm, my items, and controlled dragon/liz most of the time (i think we got every dragon), and we pushed when we had the chance. in the end we won and i bought gangplank.
what do you guys think, is ap teemo a shit character on TT? after seeing one there, i still think so. he had one brilliant moment where he kited 2 people through like, 10 shrooms. they were raging. but overall he was very useful. i felt like i worked my ass off for that win.
we were lucky that they really weren't all that good. speaking of which, are they majority of people just not that good at TT? i know that i pick top tier TT champs, but those are actually the champs i like to play. i ask because i rarely lose on TT right now, i carry games with udyr, WW, even malphite. sometimes i run into a team that totally shits on me though, and my teammates are ususally mostly useless in the grand scheme. not that it matters, i like that if i want to play a game of TT, it is almost a sure win. except a damn morg/mundo duo queue. fuck that.
a washed up murderer who was ratted out by his entourage?
Feldorn, I LOVE 3V3. I think Nidalee would be a really good character on that map as well since she has such great move speed and map awareness without having to buy wards. I had been playing Sivir a lot on 3v3 which worked well since her Q does a lot of damage early. She only really works well when your teammates have some kind of CC though. I would love to play a 3v3 if you're down
Well we got butt raped, I went 3-0 as trist until the end when all the heroes had like 4k HP and I did nothing at all. Do I change my build order for that or do I keep it the same? I seemed worthless, I did no damage to them at all.
MF, Vlad, Lux, and Udyr all has insane HP and then Ashe just stood back.
This was my first time seeing MF so once i learned her abilities she wasn't too bad. I really don't know all what she does but I could trick her into using the circle snare half the time but she still dropped my health low and she had clarity and mana pots.
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Well we got butt raped, I went 3-0 as trist until the end when all the heroes had like 4k HP and I did nothing at all. Do I change my build order for that or do I keep it the same? I seemed worthless, I did no damage to them at all.
MF, Vlad, Lux, and Udyr all has insane HP and then Ashe just stood back.
Consider a Madred's when it starts getting to that point.
The thing about Madred's is that you really have to hit a champion a lot to do decent damage to them, and if they have magic resist it's effectiveness also drops... I tried this against another team tank + teleport + fortify last night. At first we were doing great, but at some point I (as trist) was really the only one that could damage them a whole bunch and it was really hard to get any one tank snared enough to do appreciable damage.
I think my final build was Madreds, Frozen Mallet, Black Cleaver, beginning of phantom dancer, and a vamp scepter.
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Them playing Teemo makes the game incredibly un-fun for the two other people on their team
I'm sure the guy rockin Teemo / Fiddles / Veigar / Ashe / Ryze / etc in 3v3 is having the time of his life, but it really does suck for his teammates.
edit: I suggest Flat Armor Seals, HP/Lvl is pretty nifty but I like the solid feeling of armor more.
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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I played against a competent Kat mid recently and got stomped as well. Playing defensive didn't work very well because that Bouncing Blade goes forreeeeever. I figure next time I face her I'll try to match her pound for pound if she tries to pull that shit again. Just stay up in her face (not letting her melee though) and Explosive Shot her every damn time she uses it, plus auto-attacks, and hopefully she'll stay lower than me and will be too worried to Shunpo.
That's about all I can figure. It'll probably get me killed.
edit: If you're Tristana, you should be harassing the balls out of Kat. BB has a what, 9 second cooldown at lvl 1? You can do some dirty shit while she's waiting for her CDs to come off.
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
I don't think I have that many open seals in the runebook. And, armor, really?
I miss him
I am playing Tristana following reginalds advice.
he is the fun.
played him last night for a game i think.
prob my favorite melee bursty.
is the guide
Armour works against physical spells, and against towers.
mundo is awesome where he pleases, i don't want him to change.
MUNDO... DON'T GO CHANGIN'
Give mundo more movespeed, dodge, and the ability to run through creeps
Truly
He would go where he pleases
maybe for a ragequit? not sure. they forums don't really say.
Oh well once we got past the lane phase I dominated her. I went 3/4/14 or so. I just couldn't finish any kills.
apparently some famous dochebag got banned for charging people to play ranked games on their accounts
and Riot is a bunch of fascists or something for banning him I don't even know
The more I think about it, it seems like what you'd want to do is sit right behind your creep line, so if she Shunpos onto you she jumps right into the middle of them and starts getting beat on by them plus your damage. (You can also jump ontop of her at this point, further increasing the damage and slowing her so you can get in more autoattacks if she decides to run away.) The advantage to this is she can't hit you with Bouncing Blade without you also hitting her back with Explosive Shot + an autoattack. I'm not sure if this is quite enough to keep up with her, but executed properly, it seems like it would be.
Tristana has issues with heroes that have more range. Ryze and Sivir stand out in my mind. Ashe too if they are good. Life drain heroes like Vlad can be an issue as well. Distance closers like Jax can be occasionally troublesome.
The hardest I ever went against on Trist was probably Sion. I dunno if it was him or the player.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I can see Sivir and Ryze though, definitely.
Yeah, pretty much. But every blue moon I come across a really smart one and have trouble, in early game anyway.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I've never soloed against her, but she puts out quite good dmg. Just play defensive I guess, harass and withdraw.
And try not to stand on your creep wave. Make her choose whether to ult you or the creeps. (then W out of it)
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
If push comes to shove against MF I get more into her e to farm a bit better
wtf
why didn't i think of this first?!
you should charge little people to sit on your shoulders, that way we can see into store windows.
YeeeaAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
he's just slouching
Tell me more about this.
(official forums blocked @ work)
There's nothing to know.
Hotshot is currently banned for 10 years.
He asked Pendragon, Pendragon told him he doesn't know why (guess they're investigating it).
Red hasn't responded on forums.
It's probably a temporary error.
I don't know anything about it, but it certainly sounds like something that would be against the EULA, which can get you banned. At first I was confused because I thought you were calling Riot fascists, then I realized that's what the forums are saying.
I laughed on the inside.
champs like fiddle, kat, and morde absolutely shut trist down COMPLETELY, especially fiddlesticks. She will never get within 10 feet of a creep without being fear/drained. You're pretty much garunteed fb if you're fiddlesticks against trist.
I'm dead serious."
Yeah, Kat is a pain in middle. The thing is Kat in middle has to count on you be scared. So if she shunpo's on you, the correct response isn't to run but to just start smacking her back. But she's hella hard, as are Kennen and vlad. A really good Kennen totally shut me down in middle yesterday because he just kept stunning the shit out of me and zoning me out of creep range. It was super frustrating.
Feldorn, I LOVE 3V3. I think Nidalee would be a really good character on that map as well since she has such great move speed and map awareness without having to buy wards. I had been playing Sivir a lot on 3v3 which worked well since her Q does a lot of damage early. She only really works well when your teammates have some kind of CC though. I would love to play a 3v3 if you're down
MF, Vlad, Lux, and Udyr all has insane HP and then Ashe just stood back.
This was my first time seeing MF so once i learned her abilities she wasn't too bad. I really don't know all what she does but I could trick her into using the circle snare half the time but she still dropped my health low and she had clarity and mana pots.
Edit: And Lux, did she go for Rod of Ages and soul shroud?
These are champions that should be hovering around 2k health at 18.
I think my final build was Madreds, Frozen Mallet, Black Cleaver, beginning of phantom dancer, and a vamp scepter.