The thing about Madred's is that you really have to hit a champion a lot to do decent damage to them, and if they have magic resist it's effectiveness also drops... I tried this against another team tank + teleport + fortify last night. At first we were doing great, but at some point I (as trist) was really the only one that could damage them a whole bunch and it was really hard to get any one tank snared enough to do appreciable damage.
I think my final build was Madreds, Frozen Mallet, Black Cleaver, beginning of phantom dancer, and a vamp scepter.
You didn't make an Infinity Edge? Crits + AP hurt everyone a lot. IE + Madreds should shred any tank who comes close to you.
Frankly if your team is any good you shouldn't need a Frozen Mallet on Trist, at least not until you have all your damage items. She has great escapes and your tanks should be taking hits not you.
I see no Last Whisper in that list. LW is made for Trist.
So basically I had a choice. They were already stacking HP, and armor. So instead of going IE, I decided to go Black Cleaver to get through the armor and so that other people on the team could beat up them too. And I got the mallet more to keep people from running and for the slow than for any special need for health.
Edit: I can see going LW and have got it on her before, but at that point in the game I didn't have a BF sword yet and decided I needed the BF and the armor pen ASAP...
But LW is 40% armor pen. Does the cleaver add up to more?
If I'm remembering it correctly, it's LW for targets with >150 armor, Damage + flat armor pen for targets with less.
I want the super slow so that I can keep smacking them with Madreds, which is about hitting more times...
Trist is a ranged carry. A ranged carry with more range than any other ranged carry. You don't need another slow besides red buff. Your tanks or melee dps should have Randuin's or a Frozen Mallet. Trist needs to focus on doing as much damage as possible. Your damage was weak vs their tank heavy team because you took a very expensive health item that happens to have a slow on it.
You also have a slow when you jump on dudes. Jumping on a group of guys when one is almost dead then jumping out and wailing on the slowed dudes is super fun.
Drool, it would be stupid as shit to jump into a group of tanks all of whom have CCs as a ranged carry. Don't necessarily disagree with the rest, but at the end of the day I can't always be sure of having the red buff.
As far as cleaver vs whisper, cleaver let's everyone enjoy the debuff while LW is just my attacks (which in retrospect might have been better, but not what I was going for at the time)
If I'm remembering it correctly, it's LW for targets with >150 armor, Damage + flat armor pen for targets with less.
*shrug* I still like LW personally anyway. It's generally the only attack speed item I get for Tristana and the speed can make a huge difference. Not just when activating her Q but more especially when that's on cooldown or she's out of mana.
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If I'm remembering it correctly, it's LW for targets with >150 armor, Damage + flat armor pen for targets with less.
*shrug* I still like LW personally anyway. It's generally the only attack speed item I get for Tristana and the speed can make a huge difference. Not just when activating her Q but more especially when that's on cooldown or she's out of mana.
If they're not super armor heavy, I like starks better since you get all that lifesteal
Hey Spectrum. Hey! That Sona build you have posted is fun. Went 9/4/15 last night with her, and got every item except for the Infinity Edge (other team resigned when I was 200g away). I must say, early game plays the same "ho hum" support, and late game carry squishies expect you to just die when targeted, and not turn around and kill them. I had a blast with it.
I still think she shouldn't put out that type of damage, but fuck that. It was fun to surprise the hell out of the enemy team.
I play Sona a lot and people often underestimate her. Early game people try to kill me a lot, and I score easy kills. If you can manage her mana and use her Q in conjunction with her special shot every 3 spells, she can do quite a bit more than people think. Late game she is amazing at keeping the team alive and away. Celerity for escape, and the buffs she gives are great.
Teemo is a terrible character to pick in TT unless you have two sponges/tanks with hard cc, in which case any other champion in the game can fill that spot just as well / better.
This is crazy talk. I think Teemo is awesome on Twisted Treeline for two reasons:
1. Because it's a smaller map and jungle control/awareness is paramount, mushrooms are a lot more powerful than they are on SR. It's relatively easy to have almost the whole map shroom-mined, which means a) you always know where everyone is, b) if you or your allies have to run they can usually get away or turn it around on the chaser, c) when enemies run they will often blow up.
2. People tend to play melee characters more often on TT than SR, making Blind more powerful.
udyr build:
wriggles, randuins, tabi/merc you are now a crazy tank. on TT you will be able to take a beating from all 3 enemies. unless they have an AP champ. on SR, you can ignore one champ with this setup. after this, go for damage or locket.
get an interveting locket before randuins and you'll be smitten.
for reals.
Turtle -> Bear errday and never EVER having to deal with low health or mana = tower diving errday.
I want the super slow so that I can keep smacking them with Madreds, which is about hitting more times...
Trist is a ranged carry. A ranged carry with more range than any other ranged carry. You don't need another slow besides red buff. Your tanks or melee dps should have Randuin's or a Frozen Mallet. Trist needs to focus on doing as much damage as possible. Your damage was weak vs their tank heavy team because you took a very expensive health item that happens to have a slow on it.
You also have a slow when you jump on dudes. Jumping on a group of guys when one is almost dead then jumping out and wailing on the slowed dudes is super fun.
Drool, it would be stupid as shit to jump into a group of tanks all of whom have CCs as a ranged carry. Don't necessarily disagree with the rest, but at the end of the day I can't always be sure of having the red buff.
As far as cleaver vs whisper, cleaver let's everyone enjoy the debuff while LW is just my attacks (which in retrospect might have been better, but not what I was going for at the time)
That's why I said jump in when a guy is almost dead. Like you kill him with your jump it imediately refreshes and you jump right back out. Granted this isn't always easy to do and there is a chance you will get CC'd in the second you are on the ground, but you shouldn't be jumping in at the beginning of the fight so most of the big CC should be blown already.
Hey Spectrum. Hey! That Sona build you have posted is fun. Went 9/4/15 last night with her, and got every item except for the Infinity Edge (other team resigned when I was 200g away). I must say, early game plays the same "ho hum" support, and late game carry squishies expect you to just die when targeted, and not turn around and kill them. I had a blast with it.
I still think she shouldn't put out that type of damage, but fuck that. It was fun to surprise the hell out of the enemy team.
I play Sona a lot and people often underestimate her. Early game people try to kill me a lot, and I score easy kills. If you can manage her mana and use her Q in conjunction with her special shot every 3 spells, she can do quite a bit more than people think. Late game she is amazing at keeping the team alive and away. Celerity for escape, and the buffs she gives are great.
That's because she's a fucking support and should do support damage, not more damage than 80% of the DAMAGE champs.
Had a couple feeders but our TF was doing awesome. I'm Janna, doin' okay, babysitting him like a pro (okay, well, a halfway decent not-liability).
We get into late game, and all he wants to do is sit at the base.
When teamfights start, he's so worried about his already-shiny KDA that he stays waaaay back and never attacks anybody but a tank.
We never push, never do anything but sit there and defend for a fuckin' half hour. It's like, if you don't want to risk anything and are resigned to losing. Just /surrender.
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I tried her for the first time last night and it seemed to really help my game after I got it. Pyromania'd tibbers summon -> w -> q -> tibbers eating faces was wrecking shit the hell up and was really hard to escape with the slow, and the HP is badly needed anyway.
I tried her for the first time last night and it seemed to really help my game after I got it. Pyromania'd tibbers summon -> q -> w was wrecking shit the hell up and was really hard to escape with the slow, and the HP is badly needed anyway.
I would be pretty happy if Sona's Q did 10 less damage at rank 1 and gained 45 damage per rank instead of 50. Then let that test for a while and see how it goes.
edit: Regarding Rylai's annie. Doesn't Rylai's proc on with her fire shield? Seems like it would be a pretty awesome item all around for her.
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Hey Spectrum. Hey! That Sona build you have posted is fun. Went 9/4/15 last night with her, and got every item except for the Infinity Edge (other team resigned when I was 200g away). I must say, early game plays the same "ho hum" support, and late game carry squishies expect you to just die when targeted, and not turn around and kill them. I had a blast with it.
I still think she shouldn't put out that type of damage, but fuck that. It was fun to surprise the hell out of the enemy team.
I play Sona a lot and people often underestimate her. Early game people try to kill me a lot, and I score easy kills. If you can manage her mana and use her Q in conjunction with her special shot every 3 spells, she can do quite a bit more than people think. Late game she is amazing at keeping the team alive and away. Celerity for escape, and the buffs she gives are great.
Yep. I normally run something completely different, so Spectrum's build was a nice breather. I normally run a ho-hum support song spam build:
Mana Manipulator
Boots1
Innervating Locket
Situational Boots of X/Y/Z
Deathfire Grasp (at this point it's usually the end of the game)
Archangel's Staff
Zhonya's ring
It's just a "run around with a buddy/team and provide backup" build.
I tried her for the first time last night and it seemed to really help my game after I got it. Pyromania'd tibbers summon -> w -> q -> tibbers eating faces was wrecking shit the hell up and was really hard to escape with the slow, and the HP is badly needed anyway.
I really like Rylai's on her, I always start with a catalyst though, and based on team comp and performance either turn it into a RoA or Banshees.
I tried her for the first time last night and it seemed to really help my game after I got it. Pyromania'd tibbers summon -> q -> w was wrecking shit the hell up and was really hard to escape with the slow, and the HP is badly needed anyway.
i guess if you didn't get a rod...
what was wrong with getting a RoA in that game?
I made the mistake of going full-on MP+AP, since it was an in-house and I was just goofing off. :P
Mana seems almost pointless for her though since you recover her q cost if you last hit, and that's what I'm doing most of the early game anyway. I think I'd rather get the slow from Rylai's.
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edited November 2010
So I just started getting into this, and I think im liking this game way too much.
My summoner name is Klineshrike, any chance I can become involed with the PA peeps here?
I tried her for the first time last night and it seemed to really help my game after I got it. Pyromania'd tibbers summon -> q -> w was wrecking shit the hell up and was really hard to escape with the slow, and the HP is badly needed anyway.
i guess if you didn't get a rod...
what was wrong with getting a RoA in that game?
I made the mistake of going full-on MP+AP, since it was an in-house and I was just goofing off. :P
Mana seems almost pointless for her though since you recover her q cost if you last hit, and that's what I'm doing most of the early game anyway. I think I'd rather get the slow from Rylai's.
In team fights mana can be an issue when you're throwing out spells as fast as you can cast them. Blue buff is great for this, not to mention it is quite easy to get near max cooldown reduction with glyph, blue buff, and elixir. RoA or Banshees should provide you with plenty of mana.
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Kai, just jump in a channel and ask people if they want to play. That said, a lot of us have a lot of games under our belts. If you queue with us, you will probably get people with a lot more experience that will destroy you. I suggest you come to us more to advice and just go through the semi-painful process of just taking your lumps and learning the game.
Still forums and players are a wealth of information and everyone is happy to give advice
Edit: I'm just saying this because people have come and raged because they got destroyed by people with 200+ games when they have like 20
udyr build:
wriggles, randuins, tabi/merc you are now a crazy tank. on TT you will be able to take a beating from all 3 enemies. unless they have an AP champ. on SR, you can ignore one champ with this setup. after this, go for damage or locket.
get an interveting locket before randuins and you'll be smitten.
for reals.
Turtle -> Bear errday and never EVER having to deal with low health or mana = tower diving errday.
meh, i've done both. i like randuin's first myself. at the very least, HoG first, i don't rush any one thing though, unless i'm getting wriggles, then i rush that. i pretty much always get items based on my opponents when i play udyr. he is the only champ i play that i don't feel has a true 'core' item. at least for the way i play/build champs.
udyr build:
wriggles, randuins, tabi/merc you are now a crazy tank. on TT you will be able to take a beating from all 3 enemies. unless they have an AP champ. on SR, you can ignore one champ with this setup. after this, go for damage or locket.
get an interveting locket before randuins and you'll be smitten.
for reals.
Turtle -> Bear errday and never EVER having to deal with low health or mana = tower diving errday.
meh, i've done both. i like randuin's first myself. at the very least, HoG first, i don't rush any one thing though, unless i'm getting wriggles, then i rush that. i pretty much always get items based on my opponents when i play udyr. he is the only champ i play that i don't feel has a true 'core' item. at least for the way i play/build champs.
there's literally never a reason to NOT get locket on Udyr. Never.
Im on vent, just not really sure how to jump into whatever people are doing.
click on a vent channel, say, "sup nerds. I have a boner" or something like that and we'll tell ya if we're in a game or lookin for one.
basically just hop in a channel and say you wana play next/start a game.
this is how you get to know us better and become nerd friends.
he sometimes sounds like steve buscemi
this owns
holy crap that alone makes this the best stream. plus I guess people are all talking about how nice/helpful/cool he is but really its all about the buscemi voice.
So I just started playing this (played DoTA quite a bit a few years back).
I assume it's worth it just to buy the pack of all the champions? Are they stronger, or does it just give more flavor to the game?
If you like the game it's pretty worth it to get the champion bundles in my opinion. Best way to do it is get a physical copy of the game on ebay or amazon or something (just make sure it's the North American version!), because that's cheaper than buying direct from Riot. That'll give you you the first champ bundle + a bunch of Riot Points that you can put towards the second one.
Edit: The free champions rotate every week, so it's not about power it's about variety and choice. Unlocking a bunch of champs gives you more options and gives you the chance to get good with the ones you like.
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If I'm remembering it correctly, it's LW for targets with >150 armor, Damage + flat armor pen for targets with less.
Drool, it would be stupid as shit to jump into a group of tanks all of whom have CCs as a ranged carry. Don't necessarily disagree with the rest, but at the end of the day I can't always be sure of having the red buff.
As far as cleaver vs whisper, cleaver let's everyone enjoy the debuff while LW is just my attacks (which in retrospect might have been better, but not what I was going for at the time)
*shrug* I still like LW personally anyway. It's generally the only attack speed item I get for Tristana and the speed can make a huge difference. Not just when activating her Q but more especially when that's on cooldown or she's out of mana.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
If they're not super armor heavy, I like starks better since you get all that lifesteal
I play Sona a lot and people often underestimate her. Early game people try to kill me a lot, and I score easy kills. If you can manage her mana and use her Q in conjunction with her special shot every 3 spells, she can do quite a bit more than people think. Late game she is amazing at keeping the team alive and away. Celerity for escape, and the buffs she gives are great.
This is crazy talk. I think Teemo is awesome on Twisted Treeline for two reasons:
1. Because it's a smaller map and jungle control/awareness is paramount, mushrooms are a lot more powerful than they are on SR. It's relatively easy to have almost the whole map shroom-mined, which means a) you always know where everyone is, b) if you or your allies have to run they can usually get away or turn it around on the chaser, c) when enemies run they will often blow up.
2. People tend to play melee characters more often on TT than SR, making Blind more powerful.
get an interveting locket before randuins and you'll be smitten.
for reals.
Turtle -> Bear errday and never EVER having to deal with low health or mana = tower diving errday.
That's why I said jump in when a guy is almost dead. Like you kill him with your jump it imediately refreshes and you jump right back out. Granted this isn't always easy to do and there is a chance you will get CC'd in the second you are on the ground, but you shouldn't be jumping in at the beginning of the fight so most of the big CC should be blown already.
That's because she's a fucking support and should do support damage, not more damage than 80% of the DAMAGE champs.
Bitch is so OP.
One hour match
Had a couple feeders but our TF was doing awesome. I'm Janna, doin' okay, babysitting him like a pro (okay, well, a halfway decent not-liability).
We get into late game, and all he wants to do is sit at the base.
When teamfights start, he's so worried about his already-shiny KDA that he stays waaaay back and never attacks anybody but a tank.
We never push, never do anything but sit there and defend for a fuckin' half hour. It's like, if you don't want to risk anything and are resigned to losing. Just /surrender.
I tried her for the first time last night and it seemed to really help my game after I got it. Pyromania'd tibbers summon -> w -> q -> tibbers eating faces was wrecking shit the hell up and was really hard to escape with the slow, and the HP is badly needed anyway.
i guess if you didn't get a rod...
what was wrong with getting a RoA in that game?
edit: Regarding Rylai's annie. Doesn't Rylai's proc on with her fire shield? Seems like it would be a pretty awesome item all around for her.
Yep. I normally run something completely different, so Spectrum's build was a nice breather. I normally run a ho-hum support song spam build:
Mana Manipulator
Boots1
Innervating Locket
Situational Boots of X/Y/Z
Deathfire Grasp (at this point it's usually the end of the game)
Archangel's Staff
Zhonya's ring
It's just a "run around with a buddy/team and provide backup" build.
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I really like Rylai's on her, I always start with a catalyst though, and based on team comp and performance either turn it into a RoA or Banshees.
I made the mistake of going full-on MP+AP, since it was an in-house and I was just goofing off. :P
Mana seems almost pointless for her though since you recover her q cost if you last hit, and that's what I'm doing most of the early game anyway. I think I'd rather get the slow from Rylai's.
My summoner name is Klineshrike, any chance I can become involed with the PA peeps here?
Tree Eskimo is streaming, i learn so much just listening to him http://www.livestream.com/treeeskimo
In team fights mana can be an issue when you're throwing out spells as fast as you can cast them. Blue buff is great for this, not to mention it is quite easy to get near max cooldown reduction with glyph, blue buff, and elixir. RoA or Banshees should provide you with plenty of mana.
Im on vent, just not really sure how to jump into whatever people are doing.
I started listening to him today, and he seems like pretty much the nicest person ever.
Still forums and players are a wealth of information and everyone is happy to give advice
Edit: I'm just saying this because people have come and raged because they got destroyed by people with 200+ games when they have like 20
click on a vent channel, say, "sup nerds. I have a boner" or something like that and we'll tell ya if we're in a game or lookin for one.
basically just hop in a channel and say you wana play next/start a game.
this is how you get to know us better and become nerd friends.
meh, i've done both. i like randuin's first myself. at the very least, HoG first, i don't rush any one thing though, unless i'm getting wriggles, then i rush that. i pretty much always get items based on my opponents when i play udyr. he is the only champ i play that i don't feel has a true 'core' item. at least for the way i play/build champs.
there's literally never a reason to NOT get locket on Udyr. Never.
Looks like Irelia will actually not suffer from horrible, crippling back pain after all.
It's hard to tell from her abilities what kind of champion she's supposed to be. An Assassin, I guess?
Yi with boobs.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
he sometimes sounds like steve buscemi
this owns
I dont mind joining in with the big boys and getting curbstomped. Its better than winning with random people honestly.
*Dumps all his IP into runes*
Bah, only enough for 12. Damn me for repeatedly finding new awesome champions.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I am the walrus.
I wish I sounded like Steve Buscemi.
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
The active is she milks them.
I assume it's worth it just to buy the pack of all the champions? Are they stronger, or does it just give more flavor to the game?
holy crap that alone makes this the best stream. plus I guess people are all talking about how nice/helpful/cool he is but really its all about the buscemi voice.
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If you like the game it's pretty worth it to get the champion bundles in my opinion. Best way to do it is get a physical copy of the game on ebay or amazon or something (just make sure it's the North American version!), because that's cheaper than buying direct from Riot. That'll give you you the first champ bundle + a bunch of Riot Points that you can put towards the second one.
Edit: The free champions rotate every week, so it's not about power it's about variety and choice. Unlocking a bunch of champs gives you more options and gives you the chance to get good with the ones you like.