FreiA French Prometheus UnboundDeadwoodRegistered Userregular
edited May 2011
Man, I forgot to tell you guys - on Friday I went to Target to do some grocery shopping. I had just gotten home from Canada and couldn't even remember the release date. I passed by electronics and saw a BIG FUCKING LA Noire display with the games all out on the shelves. I asked for it and the electronics guy gave it to me, then I went to the front and the cashier girl scanned it and it did the DO NOT SELL UNTIL 5/17 thing. worse than that, she actually LET ME take the game back to electronics because I said I wanted to talk to the guy.
I judge value of video games in comparison to other activities with which I fill my time.
Will a video game keep me entertained for 30 hours over the course of a couple of weeks? That's worth $50-$60, to me. Even if I'll never touch it again, it was 30 hours of entertainment.
I pay close to that for two hours of entertainment if I go to the movie theater. I'm going to a soccer game next weekend, and I paid a lot more than $60 for the two tickets, and I'll pay a lot more when I'm there. That's only two hours of entertainment.
Sure, I can rent a game and beat it in 30 hours, or I can buy it used a few weeks from now for a bit of a discount, but it's not the same as buying it at launch and enjoying it alongside everyone else who is seeing it for the first time. I could also rent that same movie in a few months when it comes out, or I can watch that soccer game at home on TV... that would save money too.
Thats perfectly reasonable, but like you said its a personal choice.
I will find engages storytelling to have lots of value, but for some people they judge value as raw hours spent playing or as something where you can create your own narrative (i.e. multipayer).
Also, I ask myself is it fair to compare value to cost across different entertainment mediums? For example you can go buy a used copy of Slaughter House 5 for a couple of dollars at most used book stores. The reading time alone, not to mention reflection of the material would surely eclipse that of a single player game in terms of dollar per hour.
Does that make it a better choice of your dollars than La Noire or a movie? I don't know. From a pure entertainment to hour perspective it would, but obviously movies and games have different value, even from each other.
In the end, I think its entirely based on your subjective view, but even then saying something with no multiplayer component will be a factor in people's purchasing choices, even if it has enough content to justify the new purchase price.
Really since our entertainment time is limited, we should be asking ourselves what gives me the most value per time as opposed to per dollar (within reason). To some people, blowing up someone else online has the highest value per time and thus the value of a game is incredibly diminished when there is no multiplayer.
Finally, I do agree that the point was made in a ver goosish way a few pages ago.
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HardtargetThere Are Four LightsVancouverRegistered Userregular
edited May 2011
haha wow so apparently only 3 EB stores in All of Canada are having a midnight launch for this game. weird
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EB Canada already knows this game has no re-playability. It'd be fucking embarrassing to have a massive midnight launch just to have everybody who bought it return it when the stores open the next day.
And anyway, most Canucks gotta go to bed early. Boring old 1940's Los Angeles will still be there in the morning. I'm sure the only stores that are open are the only ones with a Tim Hortons nearby. The only people who'd show up are only there for the doughnuts and coffee anyway. Not the Day One DLC.
EB Canada already knows this game has no re-playability. It'd be fucking embarrassing to have a massive midnight launch just to have everybody who bought it return it when the stores open the next day.
And anyway, most Canucks gotta go to bed early. Boring old 1940's Los Angeles will still be there in the morning. I'm sure the only stores that are open are the only ones with a Tim Hortons nearby. The only people who'd show up are only there for the doughnuts and coffee anyway. Not the Day One DLC.
We spell it donuts. Besides, we're usually buying Timbits, not donuts.
HardtargetThere Are Four LightsVancouverRegistered Userregular
edited May 2011
lol oh you guys
my wife is out of town so this is literally the only time I have ever had a chance to actually play a game after a midnight opening, kinda sad to see the EB I pre-ordered from (since I wanted their damn bonus) isn't have a launch
I watched Devil in a Blue Dress on Netflix Instant a couple months back.
Not sure if it is still up.
It is not currently, no.
It's worth noting that if you really want to get in the mood, Noirs with police protagonists would probably be best, but they are not as common in the genre as L.A. Confidential would have you think. I'd suggest Laura, Touch of Evil (both amazing and both not on instant watch), and The Naked City.
Be careful with The Naked City though! It is the name of a pre-order/DLC case for a reason, it was based directly on the movie. Only watch it if you don't mind knowing the case ahead of time!
I went ahead and watched The Naked City along with The Woman in the Window, both were really good!
Though I didn't like this one part in The Woman in the Window:
The ending, it just felt tacked on. They really could have ended it five minutes before and be better off. Especially the last joke. Egh. It was like the whole movie was super serious and then it's like 'JUST KIDDING!'
Honestly, my main reason for wanting this game is because I was fascinated by the Dick Tracy movie when I was a kid, and have been fascinated by Noire styled stuff ever since. It's a shame that this day in age there isn't more Noire themed media anymore.
EB Canada already knows this game has no re-playability. It'd be fucking embarrassing to have a massive midnight launch just to have everybody who bought it return it when the stores open the next day.
And anyway, most Canucks gotta go to bed early. Boring old 1940's Los Angeles will still be there in the morning. I'm sure the only stores that are open are the only ones with a Tim Hortons nearby. The only people who'd show up are only there for the doughnuts and coffee anyway. Not the Day One DLC.
We spell it donuts. Besides, we're usually buying Timbits, not donuts.
I have been so busy with school tests lately that I have had little to no opportunities to see any footage from this game. I'm going in pretty much not knowing what to expect except greatness. This excites me as I don't usually get to go into games so blindly anymore. By the time a game I'm looking forward to gets released I've researched it to death so there are no surprises.
So a game that requires 3 disks (on XBOX) may not have enough content to justify its cost? Lets ignore replayability, as that appears to be a question of taste, so lets assume we play it only once. Both the developers and the reviewer from The Guardian have stated that the game, if compared to a TV series, has about 2 seasons worth of story material. That's not worth $60? Foolishness!
2 seasons worth of a tv show is about 45 hours worth of material. It's also not a video game.
Would you pay £40 to watch someone else play a game, as opposed to a dvd box set of a tv show?
Rockstar saying there's 2 seasons worth of material tells me nothing.
If i'm paying for a singleplayer game then that game needs to be long enough to justify that kind of price. We need something that's the length of Oblivion, for instance. Not something lik Dragon Age 2 or Mass Effect (which also includes all the tedious expository cut scenes and long winded dialogue from characters telling you their ENTIRE life story). From what I can gather LA is about 25 hours long. That's not a lot, irrespective of quality. Why not consider a new price point?
Of course RSG don't have to because the game will sell on their name alone.
Quote the response and defend your position as if opinion is fact. For bonus style points, act like you're being attacked and/or trolled.
Repeat.
Of course, the thing is, I am also wary of the replay value. But I think my concerns also come from the fact that we don't know a whole lot about the game yet. People have watched streams and leaked videos and stuff, which is fine. It sounds great. But I'm still gonna wait for release so I can read reviews and most importantly forumer opinions.
I want it to be as hot shit as it looks though.
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I honestly don't know what forumer opinions could tell you that the streams couldn't, aside from nuances about the controls and so forth.
I mean, looking at those 44 minutes, I see a gorgeously recreated world, a heavily plot-driven narrative, solid dialogue and characterization, and core gameplay that reminds me a lot of a modern updating of a point-and-click adventure - hunt around the screen for clues, pick stuff up, "use" objects on people to make them give you important information. It looks like it controls alright, given that the dude playing had never done anything past the first ten minutes but managed the chases and shootouts okay, the graphics look fine on 360, and there don't seem to be any showstopping bugs (or any bugs at all that I could see, aside from a bit of lag right at the beginning).
I mean, pretty much the only thing someone could say now that would surprise or dismay me is that one of those things suddenly ends up not being true - the game breaks on case 2, the story suddenly sucks, the puzzles become impossible, it becomes all combat or whatever. Barring that, though, I feel at this point like I've got a pretty good handle on the essence of the game: how it's gonna feel to play, and so forth. Basically I feel that I'll like it a lot, and that other people won't like it as much or at all, but I think their objections will be to things I already know about and accept ("too linear, not enough gunplay, cars handle awkwardly") rather than to bizarre developments out of left field ("the alien invasion in case 10 is total bullshit, I can't find a disruptor rifle anywhere").
You've been told by a moderator not to post in this thread any more. If you continue doing so I'll assume that you're deliberately ignoring the administrative staff and ban you from the forums.
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edited May 2011
.....I've always wanted to ask this and I know it sounds dumb but....that's a hedgehog yes? A hedgehog with a monocle and a bowtie?
So GAME are offering the Naked City edition which includes a bonus pursuit challenge and DLC case.
Portions of the finished game are held back as DLC in a single player game that's already aonly about 25 hours long?
No thanks.
How is 25 hours considered too short? Thinking back over all the great titles I've played recently, Dead Space 2 was a 9 hour game, Infamous was 12, Metro 2033 was 8. The last non-RPG I played that took over 12 hours was Resident Evil 4. 25 hours is a huge playtime, and as an Aussie I'm happy to pay $120 for the experience.
So GAME are offering the Naked City edition which includes a bonus pursuit challenge and DLC case.
Portions of the finished game are held back as DLC in a single player game that's already aonly about 25 hours long?
No thanks.
How is 25 hours considered too short? Thinking back over all the great titles I've played recently, Dead Space 2 was a 9 hour game, Infamous was 12, Metro 2033 was 8. The last non-RPG I played that took over 12 hours was Resident Evil 4. 25 hours is a huge playtime, and as an Aussie I'm happy to pay $120 for the experience.
I only watched about half of that 'preview' but I'm definitely excited, can't wait for midnight to go pick it up and play around with it myself. Seems like they nailed it really.
You've been told by a moderator not to post in this thread any more. If you continue doing so I'll assume that you're deliberately ignoring the administrative staff and ban you from the forums.
I haven't been told anything of the kind. if moderators want to make that call, which would be fucking petty in the extreme, then they can do so. If they don't, well...I aint psychic.
And the constant arrogant tone of this forum is a joke. If you are so frightened by someone else's perfectly valid and reasonably put point of view then don't read them, or better yet don't resort to making stupid comments such as wishing they'd stop breathing.
I will admit I've not seen a moderator mention anything in the thread, unless ghost has been PMed and hasn't checked his messages lately. Although it may have been wiser to bring that up through PMs, to be honest with you.
On a more on-topic note, I'm curious how the driving feels in the game since it seems to be the main way to get around.
Well Damn. I never knew you could tip your hat in RDR. I've been playing it the wrong way, this whole time.
EDIT: Just dropped my Pre order for this. Friday can't come soon enough. Now I'll just have to avoid clicking any spoiler boxes around here, until then.
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Well Damn. I never knew you could tip your hat in RDR. I've been playing it the wrong way, this whole time.
EDIT: Just dropped my Pre order for this. Friday can't come soon enough. Now I'll just have to avoid clicking any spoiler boxes around here, until then.
Pretty sure it's context sensitive
IIRC, when you're walking by or up to someone, if you hit A (or X on PS3) while there's nothing else around to activate, he'll greet the person in question and tip his hat
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I was so tempted to steal it.
Thats perfectly reasonable, but like you said its a personal choice.
I will find engages storytelling to have lots of value, but for some people they judge value as raw hours spent playing or as something where you can create your own narrative (i.e. multipayer).
Also, I ask myself is it fair to compare value to cost across different entertainment mediums? For example you can go buy a used copy of Slaughter House 5 for a couple of dollars at most used book stores. The reading time alone, not to mention reflection of the material would surely eclipse that of a single player game in terms of dollar per hour.
Does that make it a better choice of your dollars than La Noire or a movie? I don't know. From a pure entertainment to hour perspective it would, but obviously movies and games have different value, even from each other.
In the end, I think its entirely based on your subjective view, but even then saying something with no multiplayer component will be a factor in people's purchasing choices, even if it has enough content to justify the new purchase price.
Really since our entertainment time is limited, we should be asking ourselves what gives me the most value per time as opposed to per dollar (within reason). To some people, blowing up someone else online has the highest value per time and thus the value of a game is incredibly diminished when there is no multiplayer.
Finally, I do agree that the point was made in a ver goosish way a few pages ago.
That's usually how it goes with EB in Canada. I remember there were only a few with Starcraft 2, too. I had to buy it at a Futureshop.
And anyway, most Canucks gotta go to bed early. Boring old 1940's Los Angeles will still be there in the morning. I'm sure the only stores that are open are the only ones with a Tim Hortons nearby. The only people who'd show up are only there for the doughnuts and coffee anyway. Not the Day One DLC.
We spell it donuts. Besides, we're usually buying Timbits, not donuts.
my wife is out of town so this is literally the only time I have ever had a chance to actually play a game after a midnight opening, kinda sad to see the EB I pre-ordered from (since I wanted their damn bonus) isn't have a launch
I went ahead and watched The Naked City along with The Woman in the Window, both were really good!
Though I didn't like this one part in The Woman in the Window:
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2 seasons worth of a tv show is about 45 hours worth of material. It's also not a video game.
Would you pay £40 to watch someone else play a game, as opposed to a dvd box set of a tv show?
Rockstar saying there's 2 seasons worth of material tells me nothing.
If i'm paying for a singleplayer game then that game needs to be long enough to justify that kind of price. We need something that's the length of Oblivion, for instance. Not something lik Dragon Age 2 or Mass Effect (which also includes all the tedious expository cut scenes and long winded dialogue from characters telling you their ENTIRE life story). From what I can gather LA is about 25 hours long. That's not a lot, irrespective of quality. Why not consider a new price point?
Of course RSG don't have to because the game will sell on their name alone.
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Man, that "put up your dukes" animation is looking pretty janky
The rest of game looks like hot shit, though
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You couldn't pay someone that much an hour to entertain you.
Except maybe,
Satans..... hints.....
"...only mights and maybes."
Of course, the thing is, I am also wary of the replay value. But I think my concerns also come from the fact that we don't know a whole lot about the game yet. People have watched streams and leaked videos and stuff, which is fine. It sounds great. But I'm still gonna wait for release so I can read reviews and most importantly forumer opinions.
I want it to be as hot shit as it looks though.
I mean, looking at those 44 minutes, I see a gorgeously recreated world, a heavily plot-driven narrative, solid dialogue and characterization, and core gameplay that reminds me a lot of a modern updating of a point-and-click adventure - hunt around the screen for clues, pick stuff up, "use" objects on people to make them give you important information. It looks like it controls alright, given that the dude playing had never done anything past the first ten minutes but managed the chases and shootouts okay, the graphics look fine on 360, and there don't seem to be any showstopping bugs (or any bugs at all that I could see, aside from a bit of lag right at the beginning).
I mean, pretty much the only thing someone could say now that would surprise or dismay me is that one of those things suddenly ends up not being true - the game breaks on case 2, the story suddenly sucks, the puzzles become impossible, it becomes all combat or whatever. Barring that, though, I feel at this point like I've got a pretty good handle on the essence of the game: how it's gonna feel to play, and so forth. Basically I feel that I'll like it a lot, and that other people won't like it as much or at all, but I think their objections will be to things I already know about and accept ("too linear, not enough gunplay, cars handle awkwardly") rather than to bizarre developments out of left field ("the alien invasion in case 10 is total bullshit, I can't find a disruptor rifle anywhere").
Portions of the finished game are held back as DLC in a single player game that's already aonly about 25 hours long?
No thanks.
"...only mights and maybes."
How is 25 hours considered too short? Thinking back over all the great titles I've played recently, Dead Space 2 was a 9 hour game, Infamous was 12, Metro 2033 was 8. The last non-RPG I played that took over 12 hours was Resident Evil 4. 25 hours is a huge playtime, and as an Aussie I'm happy to pay $120 for the experience.
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Satans..... hints.....
It's $78 at JB and Big W I think.
I haven't been told anything of the kind. if moderators want to make that call, which would be fucking petty in the extreme, then they can do so. If they don't, well...I aint psychic.
And the constant arrogant tone of this forum is a joke. If you are so frightened by someone else's perfectly valid and reasonably put point of view then don't read them, or better yet don't resort to making stupid comments such as wishing they'd stop breathing.
On a more on-topic note, I'm curious how the driving feels in the game since it seems to be the main way to get around.
There was a button for Red Read Redemption that let you just tip your hat? I never found that
Although hat tipping would be acceptable.
EDIT: Just dropped my Pre order for this. Friday can't come soon enough. Now I'll just have to avoid clicking any spoiler boxes around here, until then.
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Pretty sure it's context sensitive
IIRC, when you're walking by or up to someone, if you hit A (or X on PS3) while there's nothing else around to activate, he'll greet the person in question and tip his hat