I really think trying lots of heros is helpful. Not saying you should be mastering every one, but it is good to play champs at least once so you have some basic understanding of how they work. All random inhouses are great for this. Or do some practice games, easy IP/XP.
This game is so hard to get good at, not only do you have to get good at the basics then you have to get good at heros and then lanes and then match ups. I started mididng with trist, got pretty good but everytime there is a new hero I get wrecked. And then even sometimes it could be the same hero but played differently or better than before.
Yep, it takes time, but with every death comes education. Make sure to check the death recap to see what really killed you.
Thinking of incorporating DFG into my Mordekaiser build. At the moment I go, depending on enemy team / enemy lane comp of course, and in shifting order: FoN / Boots / SF Cape / Abyssal Scepter / Rylai's / Comedy Sixth Option [2nd sf cape usually, sometimes randuin's]
with FoN/Boots/SF Cape/Abyssal as my usual core build by the time the enemy team 25min surrenders, amidst cries of "op morde gg".
I'm thinking of getting DFG at some point, maybe getting it as my sixth option? SF Cape + FoN is so god damn op on him I can't imagine getting rid of either, and Abyssal + Rylai's gives him more ap/mitigation/a soft cc.
Just imagining the DFG + ult + ignite combo alone, heh
Are you liking SF Cape? I've stopped building it and instead usually opt for Thornmail.
My builds are like, Warmogs/Boots (Usually Mercs sometimes Sorcs)/FoN/Abyssal Scepter/Thornmail/Frozen Mallet.
But it depends on what the enemy team builds. If they're heavy AP I tend to build more resist gear, if they're more AD I try to get Thornmail quickly.
I think Mallet is a better pick than Rylai's. You get more HP, a better slow that your ghost with the most can use too and some damage.
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I like Irelia's main costume more than either of her skins
mmm, I guess I'm gonna have to buy more RP. I bought 50 bucks worth a few months ago when I deemed this game worthy of my time, and it just ran out when I bought Pharaoh Nasus. Because of Irelia is 6300 I'm just gonna end up buying her with real monies. ~_~
(barring shes not awful, waiting for dat champ spotlight...)
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I'm dead serious."
This game is so hard to get good at, not only do you have to get good at the basics then you have to get good at heros and then lanes and then match ups. I started mididng with trist, got pretty good but everytime there is a new hero I get wrecked. And then even sometimes it could be the same hero but played differently or better than before.
A good Trist is an absolute bear to deal with.
I love being able to jump into a pack of enemies and pick em off 1 by 1 before they can collectively kill me.
Even then, an Evelynn with a good early game is outright terrifying.
Can't say the same about Urgot, or god forbid, Alistar. And with recent experiences I'll add Blitzcrank to the list. Hey, you can pull one of them into us with your grab! Too bad you will never ever ever hit a fucking champion with it and the rest of your skillset defines "useless".
A good Blitzcrank doesn't exist. And before the savory people tells me "But Dac I'm a good Blitzcrank!", no you aren't, end of discussion.
Thinking of incorporating DFG into my Mordekaiser build. At the moment I go, depending on enemy team / enemy lane comp of course, and in shifting order: FoN / Boots / SF Cape / Abyssal Scepter / Rylai's / Comedy Sixth Option [2nd sf cape usually, sometimes randuin's]
with FoN/Boots/SF Cape/Abyssal as my usual core build by the time the enemy team 25min surrenders, amidst cries of "op morde gg".
I'm thinking of getting DFG at some point, maybe getting it as my sixth option? SF Cape + FoN is so god damn op on him I can't imagine getting rid of either, and Abyssal + Rylai's gives him more ap/mitigation/a soft cc.
Just imagining the DFG + ult + ignite combo alone, heh
Are you liking SF Cape? I've stopped building it and instead usually opt for Thornmail.
My builds are like, Warmogs/Boots (Usually Mercs sometimes Sorcs)/FoN/Abyssal Scepter/Thornmail/Frozen Mallet.
But it depends on what the enemy team builds. If they're heavy AP I tend to build more resist gear, if they're more AD I try to get Thornmail quickly.
I think Mallet is a better pick than Rylai's. You get more HP, a better slow that your ghost with the most can use too and some damage.
In my opinion Warmog's is a completely wasted slot on him. Thornmail is only good if the enemy team decides that you're the one worth focusing down over everyone else on your team, or if literally the entire enemy team is full of AD carries. SF Cape takes advantage of the fact that you don't have a taunt, doing damage to someone whether they're attacking you or not. In my experience, people try to just ignore Morde and go straight for the back lines. Thornmail won't do any good in that situation, whereas SF Cape will. SF Cape + Rylai also gives you all the HP you'll need. Warmog's gives you no mitigation, which means your shield is much softer. Having a massive HP pool as well as TMail honestly means that the enemy team is even more likely to ignore you.
I find Rylai's to be immensely more useful than Mallet, simply because it helps getting INTO melee range. Not to mention all of his spells will proc Rylai's 15% aoe slow. Frozen Mallet is worthless if you can't get into melee range to begin with, and +200 hp is meaningless at the stage of the game where you're deciding between Rylai's and Mallet. Rylai's aoe slow is not as much as a single target FMallet slow, but getting two or more people with one spell cast is pretty useful for the team. Unless you're building attack speed morde (lol) Frozen Mallet is not nearly as efficient as Rylai's is in terms of both damage and the slow. Also, Attack Damage. Wut? You're getting much more bang for your buck with Rylai's nice amount of +AP than Mallet's tiny amount of +AD.
Let's look at the items:
Rylai's Crystal Scepter:
3105g total cost
Amp Tome + Blasting Wand + Giant's Belt
+500 HP
+80 AP
15% multi-target slow, 1.5 sec, which is the only effect you'll get as morde unless the person you Mace of Spades is alone
Frozen Mallet
3250g total cost
Phage + Giant's Belt
+700 HP
+20 AD
30% slow on hit, 2.5 sec
With FoN + Boots, nothing's gonna outrun you with either item unless it's Singed or Udyr, in which case why are you even chasing
So the slow for both is pretty good. FMallet you can only apply to a single champ, and only as quickly as your (slow as hell) auto attack can hit. Melee Range. Rylai's every spell utilizes and applies the slow on, applying on multiple champs with Q, W, and E. It gives only a 15% slow for his ult, which is understandable seeing as how it's a perma-slow dot.
So we get to the other bonuses.
700hp vs 500 hp. With mitigation and health regen this is a non-issue. Your effective HP changes by like, 5%? depending on which you choose. Again, not really the issue.
So, we get to the real meat of the matter.
+80 AP vs. +20 AD.
+80 AP with 3 abilities that scale with AP: .2 Creeping Death, .6 Siphon of Destruction, and a tiny .02 base + the dot (1.7% + .002) for CotG.
+20 AD with 1 ability that scales with AD: 1.0 Mace of Spades
Keep in mind Mace of Spades also procs Rylai's 30% slow if the target is alone.
So what I'm trying to say is getting AD at all on Morde is a waste, regardless of what the recommended items tell you to get. Rylai's slow hits with every single one of morde's spells, and can affect multiple enemy champions. It also causes Creeping Death, Siphon, and CotG to all be more effective (and also be more effective recharging your shield). It also makes Mace of Spades proc the slow at the full 30% if the target is alone. The HP discrepancies are worthless considering you already have FoN + Armor items which are incredibly more efficient and miles better than stacking HP is. The AP and slow makes you more than a pest with low-mid damage; it makes you truly into a disruptive force. It is in almost every measurable way a better item to get on Morde than Frozen Mallet.
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Any word on when Sailor Gangplank is coming out? He's been showing in the skin select screen for a couple weeks. I'm hoping he has a new laugh to sound more like Popeye!
This game is so hard to get good at, not only do you have to get good at the basics then you have to get good at heros and then lanes and then match ups. I started mididng with trist, got pretty good but everytime there is a new hero I get wrecked. And then even sometimes it could be the same hero but played differently or better than before.
A good Trist is an absolute bear to deal with.
I love being able to jump into a pack of enemies and pick em off 1 by 1 before they can collectively kill me.
LOL needs a /flex macro.
a good Udyr is literally a bear to deal with. :winky:
This game is so hard to get good at, not only do you have to get good at the basics then you have to get good at heros and then lanes and then match ups. I started mididng with trist, got pretty good but everytime there is a new hero I get wrecked. And then even sometimes it could be the same hero but played differently or better than before.
A good Trist is an absolute bear to deal with.
I love being able to jump into a pack of enemies and pick em off 1 by 1 before they can collectively kill me.
LOL needs a /flex macro.
a good Udyr is literally a bear to deal with. :winky:
Guys I have now fallen in love with Nidalee. She heals, she kills men, she has the most amazing map awareness and is ungankable. Shame she dies to any kind of stun, but that's what flash is for.
So I've played a few more games as Vlad and come to the realization that every game I play with him I do really well if I rush Warmogs, and not so well if I rush Spirit Visage. I've also come to the realization that a good Annie can shut me down in mid and that against her I really need to play super defensive until Lvl 9 where I can take her hits and punish her. But one stun and 3/4 of my health is gone and by the time I could get my Spirit visage I had already died twice. A hard lesson to be sure as I normally can shut down Annie with other Mids.
I really think that having so much health early on is a major deterrent to the enemy and lets me farm as much as I want and afford other items to boost my damage.
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Even then, an Evelynn with a good early game is outright terrifying.
Can't say the same about Urgot, or god forbid, Alistar. And with recent experiences I'll add Blitzcrank to the list. Hey, you can pull one of them into us with your grab! Too bad you will never ever ever hit a fucking champion with it and the rest of your skillset defines "useless".
A good Blitzcrank doesn't exist. And before the savory people tells me "But Dac I'm a good Blitzcrank!", no you aren't, end of discussion.
yo i still dont understand why they dont make blitz a straight pudge port
The one time I tried Garen it didn't go so well. I guess I just don't understand how to play him, but his damage wasn't that amazing and I would just get pushed out of the lane constantly. I guess you just do a lot of standing around with him to regen health?
So I've played a few more games as Vlad and come to the realization that every game I play with him I do really well if I rush Warmogs, and not so well if I rush Spirit Visage. I've also come to the realization that a good Annie can shut me down in mid and that against her I really need to play super defensive until Lvl 9 where I can take her hits and punish her. But one stun and 3/4 of my health is gone and by the time I could get my Spirit visage I had already died twice. A hard lesson to be sure as I normally can shut down Annie with other Mids.
I really think that having so much health early on is a major deterrent to the enemy and lets me farm as much as I want and afford other items to boost my damage.
Just pay more attention to her stuns. A good annie will sit at 4 stacks then pop shield before going in.
Vlad is normally great against her because he can troll face through the burst.
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Yep, it takes time, but with every death comes education. Make sure to check the death recap to see what really killed you.
Are you liking SF Cape? I've stopped building it and instead usually opt for Thornmail.
My builds are like, Warmogs/Boots (Usually Mercs sometimes Sorcs)/FoN/Abyssal Scepter/Thornmail/Frozen Mallet.
But it depends on what the enemy team builds. If they're heavy AP I tend to build more resist gear, if they're more AD I try to get Thornmail quickly.
I think Mallet is a better pick than Rylai's. You get more HP, a better slow that your ghost with the most can use too and some damage.
This. I've played hundreds of bot matches. I also use them to practice last hitting (protip: You don't have to use all five bots in Summoner's Rift).
(barring shes not awful, waiting for dat champ spotlight...)
I'm dead serious."
A good Trist is an absolute bear to deal with.
I love being able to jump into a pack of enemies and pick em off 1 by 1 before they can collectively kill me.
LOL needs a /flex macro.
Booooooooo
So many jokes about Swain and LeBad come to mind.
Except Eve
Even then, an Evelynn with a good early game is outright terrifying.
Can't say the same about Urgot, or god forbid, Alistar. And with recent experiences I'll add Blitzcrank to the list. Hey, you can pull one of them into us with your grab! Too bad you will never ever ever hit a fucking champion with it and the rest of your skillset defines "useless".
A good Blitzcrank doesn't exist. And before the savory people tells me "But Dac I'm a good Blitzcrank!", no you aren't, end of discussion.
But I like swain.....even without the maledict.
I'm dead serious."
In my opinion Warmog's is a completely wasted slot on him. Thornmail is only good if the enemy team decides that you're the one worth focusing down over everyone else on your team, or if literally the entire enemy team is full of AD carries. SF Cape takes advantage of the fact that you don't have a taunt, doing damage to someone whether they're attacking you or not. In my experience, people try to just ignore Morde and go straight for the back lines. Thornmail won't do any good in that situation, whereas SF Cape will. SF Cape + Rylai also gives you all the HP you'll need. Warmog's gives you no mitigation, which means your shield is much softer. Having a massive HP pool as well as TMail honestly means that the enemy team is even more likely to ignore you.
I find Rylai's to be immensely more useful than Mallet, simply because it helps getting INTO melee range. Not to mention all of his spells will proc Rylai's 15% aoe slow. Frozen Mallet is worthless if you can't get into melee range to begin with, and +200 hp is meaningless at the stage of the game where you're deciding between Rylai's and Mallet. Rylai's aoe slow is not as much as a single target FMallet slow, but getting two or more people with one spell cast is pretty useful for the team. Unless you're building attack speed morde (lol) Frozen Mallet is not nearly as efficient as Rylai's is in terms of both damage and the slow. Also, Attack Damage. Wut? You're getting much more bang for your buck with Rylai's nice amount of +AP than Mallet's tiny amount of +AD.
Let's look at the items:
Rylai's Crystal Scepter:
3105g total cost
Amp Tome + Blasting Wand + Giant's Belt
+500 HP
+80 AP
15% multi-target slow, 1.5 sec, which is the only effect you'll get as morde unless the person you Mace of Spades is alone
Frozen Mallet
3250g total cost
Phage + Giant's Belt
+700 HP
+20 AD
30% slow on hit, 2.5 sec
With FoN + Boots, nothing's gonna outrun you with either item unless it's Singed or Udyr, in which case why are you even chasing
So the slow for both is pretty good. FMallet you can only apply to a single champ, and only as quickly as your (slow as hell) auto attack can hit. Melee Range. Rylai's every spell utilizes and applies the slow on, applying on multiple champs with Q, W, and E. It gives only a 15% slow for his ult, which is understandable seeing as how it's a perma-slow dot.
So we get to the other bonuses.
700hp vs 500 hp. With mitigation and health regen this is a non-issue. Your effective HP changes by like, 5%? depending on which you choose. Again, not really the issue.
So, we get to the real meat of the matter.
+80 AP vs. +20 AD.
+80 AP with 3 abilities that scale with AP: .2 Creeping Death, .6 Siphon of Destruction, and a tiny .02 base + the dot (1.7% + .002) for CotG.
+20 AD with 1 ability that scales with AD: 1.0 Mace of Spades
Keep in mind Mace of Spades also procs Rylai's 30% slow if the target is alone.
So what I'm trying to say is getting AD at all on Morde is a waste, regardless of what the recommended items tell you to get. Rylai's slow hits with every single one of morde's spells, and can affect multiple enemy champions. It also causes Creeping Death, Siphon, and CotG to all be more effective (and also be more effective recharging your shield). It also makes Mace of Spades proc the slow at the full 30% if the target is alone. The HP discrepancies are worthless considering you already have FoN + Armor items which are incredibly more efficient and miles better than stacking HP is. The AP and slow makes you more than a pest with low-mid damage; it makes you truly into a disruptive force. It is in almost every measurable way a better item to get on Morde than Frozen Mallet.
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And I've been excited for Irelia for quite some time; glad to see some skins that I like after that classic one.
a good Udyr is literally a bear to deal with. :winky:
it's all about absolutely dominating early game to the point of completely demoralizing the other team imo
if the game gets to the point where they all start buying veils, then... welp! but up until that point you can be a real terror
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i've never found it necessary
i usually do meki > base boots > sheen > base boots in to mercury's > meki into nashor's
but, uhh... i think i might take clarity
I really think that having so much health early on is a major deterrent to the enemy and lets me farm as much as I want and afford other items to boost my damage.
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yo i still dont understand why they dont make blitz a straight pudge port
e: this lead to 3 minute Boots of Swiftness
i'm gonna play free garen and win every game ever
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Like, something where a large percentage of the free champion players go on to buy them outright or something.
It happened to me with Shen.
EDIT: For those still at work, free champs: Fiddlesticks, Morgana, Nunu, Sion, Sivir, Teemo, Zilean, Nidalee, Garen, LeBlanc
yeah, clarity seems like a must
thanks for the tip
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Just pay more attention to her stuns. A good annie will sit at 4 stacks then pop shield before going in.
Vlad is normally great against her because he can troll face through the burst.