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Equity Accelerator? sounds fishy

Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
edited November 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
So my mortgage company (Met Life Homeloans, not some fly by night joint) offers an "Equity Accelerator" program, where basically i pay half my monthly payment, 2x per month. It says i'll pay off my loan 5-6 years earlier and save myself 45k in interest. Sounds like a win win, but it also says there is a $295 erollment fee, and a $6/month participation fee. That makes me apprehensive. Even with that, it still seems like a good deal, but my concern is:

if you save so much money doing this, why doesn't everyone do it?

What is stopping me from making 2 payments a month on my own, wouldn't that have the same/similar effect on my balances?

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  • Moses555Moses555 Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I have a loan wiht MetLife as well, and get the same offers. I see no value in the service they are offering, since they aren't doing anything you can't do yourself. Paying ahead of schedule on a large balance/long term loan can save a bunch of money, but you can do that without their help.

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  • SaammielSaammiel Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    So my mortgage company (Met Life Homeloans, not some fly by night joint) offers an "Equity Accelerator" program, where basically i pay half my monthly payment, 2x per month. It says i'll pay off my loan 5-6 years earlier and save myself 45k in interest. Sounds like a win win, but it also says there is a $295 erollment fee, and a $6/month participation fee. That makes me apprehensive. Even with that, it still seems like a good deal, but my concern is:

    if you save so much money doing this, why doesn't everyone do it?

    Are you sure it is 'twice a month' and not 'every two weeks'? There is a material difference. And likely it is the latter and you are effectively making 13 monthly payments (52 weeks in a year, payment every 2 weeks = 26 payments) instead of 12. Which sounds about right for accelerated a 30 year mortgage down to a 25 year-ish.
    What is stopping me from making 2 payments a month on my own, wouldn't that have the same/similar effect on my balances?

    Pre-payment penalties in the contract. Likely this 'plan' would waive those penalties. You should be able to read your mortgage agreement and see what your penalties are or would be.
    Moses555 wrote: »
    I have a loan wiht MetLife as well, and get the same offers. I see no value in the service they are offering, since they aren't doing anything you can't do yourself. Paying ahead of schedule on a large balance/long term loan can save a bunch of money, but you can do that without their help.

    This isn't really true. They can structure the contract such that you aren't able to just pay off what you want to willy nilly. It is going to depend on the text of the contract.

    Edit: It does sound like a bad deal though. Even with language in the contract to prevent bi-weekly payments, usually you can make some sort of early payment (like once a year). So you could acheive the same result in that case by just cutting an extra check before christmas or whatever. But check your mortgage is the relevant advice and see what it allows and disallows.

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  • Moses555Moses555 Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Saammiel wrote: »
    Pre-payment penalties in the contract. Likely this 'plan' would waive those penalties. You should be able to read your mortgage agreement and see what your penalties are or would be.
    Moses555 wrote: »
    I have a loan wiht MetLife as well, and get the same offers. I see no value in the service they are offering, since they aren't doing anything you can't do yourself. Paying ahead of schedule on a large balance/long term loan can save a bunch of money, but you can do that without their help.

    This isn't really true. They can structure the contract such that you aren't able to just pay off what you want to willy nilly. It is going to depend on the text of the contract.

    Good point on the pre-payment penalties. I'm not sure how common they are, but that would change my opinion of the service.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I think only mortgages are common for the prey-payment penalties. I don't remember anything else really mentioning them.

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  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    it is biweekly.

    So, provided i don't have any penalties associated with prepayment, i could just throw an extra mortgage payment out of my tax return or whatever, each year, and get the same/similar effect? I'm not sure if i'd rather go without those two months of an "extra" paycheck, or dole out a chunk of my return... hmm.

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    My lady and I do exactly this (in Canada). It's called accelerated payments. That being said, it's bullshit that you have to pay for that payment option. I've never heard tell of that from any of the banks we talked to (ie: all of them in Canada).

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  • Rubix42Rubix42 Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Yes, unless you don't have the financial responsibility to make yourself pay extra, just do it yourself.

    If you want to know if your loan has a pre-payment penalty, you can call your lender and ask, or you can look on your original documents. The document called a Truth in Lending (TIL) says at the bottom if there is or is not a pre-pay on the loan.

    Conversely, you could just divide your monthly payment by 12 and add that amount to your payment every month.

    Example: $1,200 a month payment. Want to pay off 5 years faster, make a $1,300 a month payment.


    Basically, don't pay your lender to start this program, because if you hit a financial hardship, it also takes a while to make them stop and they would overdraft your bank account.

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  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    You would have to do the math to recalculate the amortization schedule, but 1 additional mortgage payment to principal per year would have a similar effect.


    My mortgage servicer offers the same plan (half payment every 2 weeks) at no charge. Might be a good time to re-fi through a credit union if you haven't already. My current rate is 6 ('05 purchase) and I can get a 20 year re-fi for 4, taking 5 years off my payment schedule and pay less per month than I'm currently paying. Or I could do a 15 year at 3.75 (I think) and pay about $80 more per month.

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  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I'm sitting at 5%, just refi'd ~18 months ago from 6.5%. bought the house in may of 08, I'm probably not in any shape to drop the closing costs on a refinance currently. I'll check my paperwork when i get home from work. I seem to recall when i got paper statements, it said to note whatever excess should go to principal, so i don't think i do have penalties...

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    It's legit, but tilted in their favor. Most younger people do not stay in a house the full length of a mortgage, and many older individuals opt for shorter mortgages since they've owned houses in the past (and under most economic situations sell for a little profit, ahem).

    In this case, you lose $295 up front and $72 a year in order to pay off your mortgage faster. You also pay more per year, since there's more weeks than months (as Saamiel points out). Whether you should enroll or not ultimately depends more on what your current contract/mortgage says and how long you plan to remain in the house.

    You would have similar results if you overpaid towards your principal each month, though. If you can overpay without penalty, you may want to consider that (and do your own calculations to compare).

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  • JNighthawkJNighthawk Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Echoing what others have said, they probably offer this since your mortgage contract has pre-payment penalties (you read it before signing it, right?). Next time, make sure your mortgage doesn't have pre-payment penalties and just pay ahead on your own.

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  • SkyCaptainSkyCaptain IndianaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Can they charge a pre-payment penalty if you pay off all of it but enough to make it $1 a month for the remaining years? :mrgreen:

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  • kedinikkedinik Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Moses555 wrote: »
    Saammiel wrote: »
    Pre-payment penalties in the contract. Likely this 'plan' would waive those penalties. You should be able to read your mortgage agreement and see what your penalties are or would be.
    Moses555 wrote: »
    I have a loan wiht MetLife as well, and get the same offers. I see no value in the service they are offering, since they aren't doing anything you can't do yourself. Paying ahead of schedule on a large balance/long term loan can save a bunch of money, but you can do that without their help.

    This isn't really true. They can structure the contract such that you aren't able to just pay off what you want to willy nilly. It is going to depend on the text of the contract.

    Good point on the pre-payment penalties. I'm not sure how common they are, but that would change my opinion of the service.

    I've been told by an experienced real estate agent that pre-payment penalties are obsolete and not used these days unless your company is kind of shady.

    Depends on the specifics of your contract, though.

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  • The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    kedinik wrote: »
    Moses555 wrote: »
    Saammiel wrote: »
    Pre-payment penalties in the contract. Likely this 'plan' would waive those penalties. You should be able to read your mortgage agreement and see what your penalties are or would be.
    Moses555 wrote: »
    I have a loan wiht MetLife as well, and get the same offers. I see no value in the service they are offering, since they aren't doing anything you can't do yourself. Paying ahead of schedule on a large balance/long term loan can save a bunch of money, but you can do that without their help.

    This isn't really true. They can structure the contract such that you aren't able to just pay off what you want to willy nilly. It is going to depend on the text of the contract.

    Good point on the pre-payment penalties. I'm not sure how common they are, but that would change my opinion of the service.

    I've been told by an experienced real estate agent that pre-payment penalties are obsolete and not used these days unless your company is kind of shady.

    Depends on the specifics of your contract, though.

    Pre-payment penalties were most common with subprime, alt-a and other "exotic" mortgage products. They are far from obsolete, but they have become much less common in recent years. If you check your mortgage docs (TIL), or even just call Metlife, you can figure out if that's the case.

    Accelerated payment schedules aren't bogus, though everyone who has chimed in so far is right in that if you don't have that penalty you're better off just making principle payments when you are able. Hell, I'd advise that for anyone who has the cash to spare.

    As a professional I cannot ever advise someone to allow their servicer access to their bank account. This sort of arrangement can make a bad time worse.

    I'd sit down with your docs and try to get a better picture.

    I have seen these plans before, a few times, and they almost always waive an existing pre-payment penalty. That said, a mortgage servicers' job is to get your money as quickly as possible.

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  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    kedinik wrote: »
    Moses555 wrote: »
    Saammiel wrote: »
    Pre-payment penalties in the contract. Likely this 'plan' would waive those penalties. You should be able to read your mortgage agreement and see what your penalties are or would be.
    Moses555 wrote: »
    I have a loan wiht MetLife as well, and get the same offers. I see no value in the service they are offering, since they aren't doing anything you can't do yourself. Paying ahead of schedule on a large balance/long term loan can save a bunch of money, but you can do that without their help.

    This isn't really true. They can structure the contract such that you aren't able to just pay off what you want to willy nilly. It is going to depend on the text of the contract.

    Good point on the pre-payment penalties. I'm not sure how common they are, but that would change my opinion of the service.

    I've been told by an experienced real estate agent that pre-payment penalties are obsolete and not used these days unless your company is kind of shady.

    Depends on the specifics of your contract, though.

    The mortgage I got last year (up in Canada, from a not-shady mortgage broker) has pre-payment penalties... but they're pretty damned lax. I can pay up to 20% of the original mortgage amount each year without penalty, so long as I pay at least $1,000. Or I can increase my regular payments by up to 20% of the original P and I portion per year, without penalty. And, I can combine either of these two options so long as I don't exceed the yearly 20% prepayment maximum.

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