[DnD 4E Discussion] Heroes of Shadow. Dhampyr Vryloka Vampire now possible.

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  • HorseshoeHorseshoe Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    aegeri lives on some sort of large island-continent-country thing i think

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  • streeverstreever Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Horseshoe wrote: »
    aegeri lives on some sort of large island-continent-country thing i think

    He was in New Zealand, and is now I believe in Australia?

    That or an evil lair on a volcanic island.

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  • AegeriAegeri Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I am in New Zealand and I ordered it only just before Christmas. So it getting here today is remarkable. I will be in Australia soon.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Australia is the Underdark of Earth: A land far below the rest of the world, filled with all manner of dangerous, poisonous creatures.

    Edit: Also; fictional.

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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Does that make New Zealand the shadowdark? Or is that Tasmania?

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  • AegeriAegeri Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    Does that make New Zealand the shadowdark? Or is that Tasmania?

    New Zealand is the elemental chaos, which would appropriately make Invercargill the abyss.

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  • DenadaDenada Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Aegeri wrote: »
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    Does that make New Zealand the shadowdark? Or is that Tasmania?

    New Zealand is the elemental chaos, which would appropriately make Invercargill the abyss.

    That even sounds like a place in the Abyss.

    I hear the Hellkiwi Nightstalker is a pretty common nuisance there.

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  • AegeriAegeri Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Don't forget our birds that will rape you as soon as look at you:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY

    And we also have really big angry crickets called Weta (the scientific name of one roughly translates to "Devil Cricket").
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    And you thought Australia was scary. I am not moving to a dangerous place, I am leaving one D:

    My one and only regret is that I am very spider heavy for the rest of the "insect" module in Dark Prophecy. I should have absolutely statted up and used some giant weta ala King Kong.

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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Is anyone else as annoyed as I am that the Compendium is no longer reliable? Example: Hero's armour is listed in HotFK/Adventurer's Vault as an "any" type armour enchantment and hasn't received any errata since either book was published, that I can find. What's it listed as in the Compendium? Chain only. o_O
    And the on-line CB is apparently using the flawed Compendium data for its item restrictions too.

    What the hell happened to Wizards in August? Because that is apparently when everything went to shit.

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  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Since people are talking about items, how do you handle selling them? I'm letting my players sell back at 100% right now, really for no other reason than to get them to buy stuff they can use.

    Also, I pick out the bulk of their magical items that they don't buy. I agree most of them are situational, but it's generally not hard to form encounters/monster actions that play off the

    Unless they forget they have them. Then they fall to the bottom of a pit.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Officially they sell at 20%.

    If you're using the Common/Uncommon/Rare thing it is 20%/50%/100%.

    By selling at 100% you'll let them turn outdated lower level items into more higher level stuff than they "should".

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  • JishianJishian ◥▶◀◤ Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Lezta wrote: »
    So, viewing it through your simulationist lens, why the fuck is a guy with a sword just as powerful as somebody capable of wielding magic? Oh, clearly starting out, swordguy should be more capable but once the magic guy really gets the hang of things.....

    Yeah, fuck no. At some points you need to step back and ask "Does this make the game fun/good/exciting/what I and players want?"

    The only reason you think you should control the character options we label magic items is because you've conceptualized them as physical items. There really isn't any reason for that. So long as we slot certain abilities only into this one, uncontrollable, upgrade path then we're going to have people fighting it.

    You're right, we should acknowledge that this is a game but even so, I think you can take it too far the other way. I'd say that WotC conceptualised them as physical items, not me. If we go so far towards things as just looking at them purely as mechanics, for me all the fun of imagining starts to bleed away and all I have left is numbers. Different people enjoy different aspects of the game. I like the numbers ticking away in the background, making things work (because 4E represents for me the perfect game, it just *works*, it's hard to make a bad character mechanically and as a DM I don't have to play with maths beyond 'do these monsters equal or come close to certain XP budget? yes/no?' and 'have I given out x amount of treasure?') whilst I try to create an exciting, believable playground for the players to lose themselves in.

    I wouldn't begrudge a player for liking to play around with the numbers, but magic items are one thing that, as a DM, I feel should be something I have control of; they're part of the playground. I've yet to find a player who didn't understand that and if one did appear at my table, I'd deal with it at the time and maybe compromise with a wish-list or something. (Incedently, my group unanimously voted against using wish-lists).
    Backing away from my own clearly gamist lens the thing that is clearly missing from the magic items is the magic. They are 90% mechanical upgrades that let you do some fucking addition. I know basic math is always a source of wonderment to me and my friends.

    At this point I'd almost want to axe magic "items" in general, replace the majority of those mechanical bits with just handwaving math and let the magic items that exist be magical. Which the rare items kinda sorta do but they do it in what is becoming the trademark Wizards fashion*.

    * Late, inept and lacking in effort.

    I absolutely agree with this. Magic items, by being something required mechanically, have become bland and not special or magical at all. Rare items could be the solution but, as you say, WotC have made no effort at all on that count. :(

    I like the magic items like Eternal Chalk and the Nail of Sealing, I think a big problem is the majority of "magical" items are just +1 weapons and armor with no other effect (or a stupid effect). They should really be considered high quality mundane items, but then it's just arguing semantics.

    Another thing is it seems like most of the interesting effects are on neck slot items. Having a Lucky Charm effect on a dagger would be cool, cloak of the walking wounded effect on armor/belt, etc.

    Maybe have gems that can be set into a hilt to give abilities like "duelist's" or "challenge seeking", but then not everyone likes materia type systems and it would be another thing to compare to WoW. My favorite items in Baldur's Gate/Neverwinter were always things like Ring of Regeneration, Ring of Free Action, there's no lower level magic rings that I've seen, not even a plain old +1 AC Ring of Protection. Maybe recreate these for 4th (gain regeneration: 1, treat immobilized as slowed, etc).

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  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Officially they sell at 20%.

    If you're using the Common/Uncommon/Rare thing it is 20%/50%/100%.

    By selling at 100% you'll let them turn outdated lower level items into more higher level stuff than they "should".

    I wasn't aware there was an official stance. At least so far as I can tell they're also behind the curve as far as items go so I've been trying to emphasize they can buy whatever they want with the gold they accumulate. Though now that they're arriving somewhere new I'll probably put in 50% on all items til they endear themselves to the new location.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Aegeri wrote: »
    Giant20Weta2002.jpg

    Please tell me that's a child's hand.

    Or, what was my first response: WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT KILL IT WITH FIRE!

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  • AegeriAegeri Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I think the weta there will be around 3-4" or so. They are a pretty big insect.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth veni, veneri, vamoosi Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Isn't Weta the name of the prop company Peter Jackson uses?

    A quick googling says yes. It even has a giant cricket logo. Terrifying.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth veni, veneri, vamoosi Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Also, for the possible Dark Sun game I might get going with my friends. One of them hasn't played 4e and is unfamiliar with Dark Sun. So I let him dick around with my CB. He made a female Mul named Mulette. I was forced to revoke his CB privileges.

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  • PantheraOncaPantheraOnca Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    My first thought was "I wonder how that tastes deep-fried?"

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  • HorseshoeHorseshoe Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    pests insects from all over the world

    deep-fried and served with pest plants steamed beyond recognition

    this could be the most amazing theme restaurant ever

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  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    When I was about 13 I had this giant magnifying glass my dad gave me they used to see the compass on the bow of his ship. The thing was about 8" in diameter, 2" thick, and sort of like a cup. So you could set it on the ground and trap shit inside of it with the lens hitting a fixed location.

    Anyway, I found a wasp chilling on the driveway one day and sprayed it with some soap out of a spray bottle (this prevents them from flying) and then got the magnifying glass. I lit that shit up and started smelling a delicious steak cooking. Turns out: burning wasps smell like steak!

    Then I found $5.

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  • AegeriAegeri Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    That's a pretty good random drop from a wasp.

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  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Pants, Aegeri. That joke was motherfucking pants.

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  • SJSJ Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Aegeri wrote: »
    That's a pretty good random drop from a wasp.

    just like WoW

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  • soxboxsoxbox Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Do you guys prefer drag or drop?
    What do you mean, you want both?
    And you want it to work in internet explorer?

    Fine then. Have your draggy-droppyness.

    (As you may have noticed, I've gotten distracted by technologically hard shiny things. I tend to do that)

    Also, the test campaign: http://onlinetabletop.appspot.com/campaign/1/encounter/1 should be editable by anybody, so feel free to go there and have a play (doesn't allow adding and removing of combatants though).

    Edit: It appears to be broken if you zoom and pan the graph. Umm... don't try that bit.

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  • SkyCaptainSkyCaptain Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    That's awesome.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth veni, veneri, vamoosi Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Also clicking on test campaign 1 tab gets an internal server error.
    I noticed that sometimes clicking on the token doesn't seem to grab it. Looks neat so far though.

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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Looking good; the pan/zoom seemed to work fine for me, maybe it's a transient issue?
    Speaking of, would it be possible to focus the zoom on the cursor, or maybe the currently selected token? At the moment the zoom origin always seems to be the map origin.

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  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    For large+ tokens, the drag movement line begins and ends in the top left square instead of the center of the token.

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  • angrylinuxgeekangrylinuxgeek Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
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  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    bwuahahahahahaahaha

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Oh fuck right the hell off.

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  • RiusRius Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    My god, they have no shame at all. They even call them "Booster Packs", and that "Players can crack open boosters of cards just prior to participating in a game session, or come to their game with pre-built decks."

    Edit: Can we just pretend that the good Essentials stuff all came out in one book prior to Dark Sun and that the Dark Sun books were the last D&D books to be published?

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  • angrylinuxgeekangrylinuxgeek Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    the best part
    For some Wizards Play Network programs aimed at experienced players, Fortune Card purchase will be a requirement to participate

    so glad I quit LFR last year, my friends who still play are gonna shit themselves

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  • DenadaDenada Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I predict these cards will not sell well, and will prove to be a waste of money. My hypercognitive powers also tell me that any group that wanted this sort of thing in their games already did it themselves, and the cards are under the control of the DM, as they should be.

    In all seriousness, I actually like the idea of fortune cards, but I prefer them as occasional DM awards for good roleplaying or heroic acts or something of that nature. Giving players a deck of Daily Item Powers to use every encounter just really misses the point.

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  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I hope Dms are like "keep that away from my table" so that people don't feel like they should buy into this crap. Can we get some solidarity?

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  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Denada wrote: »
    I predict these cards will not sell well, and will prove to be a waste of money. My hypercognitive powers also tell me that any group that wanted this sort of thing in their games already did it themselves, and the cards are under the control of the DM, as they should be.

    In all seriousness, I actually like the idea of fortune cards, but I prefer them as occasional DM awards for good roleplaying or heroic acts or something of that nature. Giving players a deck of Daily Item Powers to use every encounter just really misses the point.

    yea. this. speaking of which I need to stop being lazy and actually finish my intended implementation and support of that. possibly tomorrow.

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  • AegeriAegeri Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I have no interest in using fortune cards. I approve of them in Gamma World though, but Gamma World just suits them really well and there aren't a lot of variables in gamma world without the cards (it frankly, is nowhere as complex as 4E so the cards add a lot). All fortune cards is add more stuff to a game that already has shitloads of stuff. I see no need for them and won't be buying them or allowing their use in my games.

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  • LeztaLezta Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Sod WotC's offering, I'm just gonna keep using these.

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  • DenadaDenada Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Infidel wrote: »
    I hope Dms are like "keep that away from my table" so that people don't feel like they should buy into this crap. Can we get some solidarity?

    I would not allow these at my table. Particularly because the only person that would spend enough money on these to make a "deck" would then stack that "deck" with all the best powers so that at any given time they always had a nice bonus on their best attack with very little "fortune" involved.

    I just don't get these things. It's like, "Tired of killing all those pesky monsters to get their treasure? Tired of hoping your DM gives you the item dailies that you wanted? Well now, for just $3.99 a pack, you can buy your own!" I mean damn, if they want to make a D&D card game, just make it already and stop dicking around with the RPG.

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  • angrylinuxgeekangrylinuxgeek Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    ^^ did you just link to 4chan
    Aegeri wrote: »
    I have no interest in using fortune cards. I approve of them in Gamma World though, but Gamma World just suits them really well and there aren't a lot of variables in gamma world without the cards (it frankly, is nowhere as complex as 4E so the cards add a lot). All fortune cards is add more stuff to a game that already has shitloads of stuff. I see no need for them and won't be buying them or allowing their use in my games.

    pretty much this, I'm glad my players will never know they exist.

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