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Story Outline Construction Help Needed

DarrenForestDarrenForest Registered User regular
edited November 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
I'm trying to write an outline for a story I've been developing, but my thought processes and my mid-college creative writing course recommendations seem to be in an boldly-worded argument in my head (read: knife-fighting to the death and causing a really bad migrane). I'd like to try to find a format where I can summarize everything that happens in a chapter, allowing for:
  • names and appearances of noteworthy characters
  • unique character quotes
  • locations of interest
  • detailed list of characters' 'talents'

I'm pretty sure the format I'm already using (read: the format everyone has probably used since middle or grade school) is simple enough, but I'd like to get some input on any possible means that may seem more efficient. Thank you for your help, and I hope to post the first chapter by the end of the year per forum-goer approval, after being satisfied with the outline.

...And no, it's not smut, fan fiction, or "a ideuh taht culd be n awsum PA komik storee lawlz," to alleviate any of those worries. It's (to my current literary knowledge) a relatively original work.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    You basically just write that stuff down for each chapter. There's not, like, a secret method to use. If you find a grid or something more helpful go with that. It's a tool for you, not a magic outline you have to prepare in order to continue with the story.

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    it seems like your priorities are in the wrong place. i don't literally 'take notes' on my writing, but i take mental notes, and generally for a chapter the notes are "What Needs To Happen." what needs to happen for a character's development, what needs to happen for the themes you want to convey, what needs to happen to move the story forward. if a 'quote' is good enough to take note of you will remember it anyway, and likewise, if there's an environment that suits the narrative perfectly it will bring itself to the fore naturally.

    basically trust your brain. think about the mechanisms of your story on the broadest possible scale, refine the necessities to as simple a list as you can, and just write, knowing that the best ideas are never lost - they just sleep until needed

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Balance
    Unbalance
    Quest
    Climax
    New Balance

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  • The_Glad_HatterThe_Glad_Hatter One Sly Fox Underneath a Groovy HatRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    there are programs that let you arrange various snippets, notes and images. Like an itunes for everything. I'll try to come up with the names later (at work). I think those would help you if you really feel like you need a system to order these things...

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  • DarrenForestDarrenForest Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    @The_Glad_Hatter: That would be helpful, thanks.

    @bsjezz: You do not understand my problem. I literally FLUNKED a college-course class about note-taking. Therefore, as freakish as this sounds, I don't think I can trust my brain for the task. It works fundamentally different from the average reader's brain. I fear that if I continue in this path, the only ones who will enjoy the story are the ones that make fun of everything insipid and convoluted. Allow this simile to be the example, one I originally intended as my full reply to your post:

    This isn't just about taking notes on what I want to happen for character development and theme conveyance, but also about arranging these strangely shaped pieces of information into a puzzle that doesn't look like I took a hammer to the pieces I couldn't get to fit right, resulting in the final product to look like a magic eye picture and/or dark abomination of madness.

    Please note the fact that said simile is ONE sentence. That obscure thought process is what I have to work with in crafting a tale I want a sizable demographic to understand. To hell with "thinking outside the box," I think outside the Furthest Ring of Normal Consciousness. However, I will do my best to follow your advice. At the least, I appreciate the recommendation and thank you for trying to help me think more normal-like.

    @Improvolone: Oddly enough, that's the exact format for the story I was going for. So either my idea is so unoriginal I've looped back to being unique, or I need to stop going to tvtropes so often...

    @TychoCelchuuu: At this point, I'm doing exactly that, but I feel that I'll end up just writing the outline INTO my story rather than using it as a guide. The grid idea might work though; tracking the locations of characters and their interactions during each chapter would be useful. Thanks!

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    @TychoCelchuuu: At this point, I'm doing exactly that, but I feel that I'll end up just writing the outline INTO my story rather than using it as a guide.
    That wouldn't actually be a bad thing. Nobody's going to like, take points off of your grade for that. People don't really care where a story comes from.

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    have you tried looking at wiki tools? if you need intense, concrete organization to work (which some people do, so i apologise if i was making it sound like you're abnormal or anything. trust me, i'm the abnormal one) they tend to be very flexibile, there are a lot of personal / locally hosted versions and i'm sure that if you've got technical problems there are a lot of people who could give you a hand in getting one running

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  • The_Glad_HatterThe_Glad_Hatter One Sly Fox Underneath a Groovy HatRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    i think the mac version was called papers.
    I think they're called bibliography managers, wikipedia seems to list more.

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    @Improvolone: Oddly enough, that's the exact format for the story I was going for. So either my idea is so unoriginal I've looped back to being unique, or I need to stop going to tvtropes so often...

    That's the format for every story ever.

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  • SarcastroSarcastro Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    All I would say is that be careful you dont get to bogged down with notes. You can spend forever telling yourself 'about' a story, when what matters is actually telling the story.

    If the plot is all twisty, and your trying to keep track of it, sweet. Start at your beginning, figure out your end, and then work backwards step by step. As you lay out your story piece by piece, chapters generally mark each significant event. Like paragraphs on a larger scale. Once you have a series of events, you can make a few (brief) notes on how to get from the beginning of that event to the end of it, and who needs to be involved.

    Keep your character notes separate from your story. Your character bios are thier own thing, and are really just there to be the rest of the iceberg. In the story, your characters are what they do. If they've got back story, keep the details to yourself as much as possible. You dont want to get stuck telling us about your character, you want that character to show us who they are by the things they do.

    Keep it as simple as you can. It will grow of its own accord, and become more complex naturally as you work on it. With this in mind, boil away your plot until you have the minimal number of plot points needed to get your story across. Then start writing the story. You can return to slash and burn and poke and twist.

    Anyone who seriously writes will tell you that the most important part of writing is the part where you actually write.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    The outline should generally be something you hang your story on. So the outline for a simple story would be

    Boy is lonely, boy meets girl, boy falls in love, girl leaves after boy does something dumb. Climax is boy and girl meet up again, something happens that's interesting or unexpected. Denouement is they stay together or don't.

    Such an outline is to keep things straight in your writing so you are moving towards the goal -- the goal being finishing the story. Yes, you are technically supposed to flesh out your outline so it's in the story, because the outline is supposed to be the underlying movement of the plot. After all, hopefully your outline is what someone repeats when asked, after reading the story, "so what's the story about?"

    Names, places, fine details -- that's an index for yourself, and a different type of tool. That's so you're consistent. But it's not an outline.

    And more importantly, it's OK to change things as you go. Just make sure you update your other notes and are consistent. If you find yourself changing a lot of things, it might be worthwhile to reflect on your outline again, but it is definitely worthwhile to edit the work when you're finished.

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  • DarrenForestDarrenForest Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Awesome advice, everyone. Thank you for your help! When I get to writing the first chapter or so, I'll post it in the respective area. You'll know it's mine because it's about people who gain the attributes of animals by drinking their blood. As a result, this phenomena is the explanation to werewolves, vampires, and living fauna in legend. Other creatures would be similarly explained, but not in the way you expect. Just wait and see for yourself. And thanks again for your help, everyone!

    ...and... You'll note that I do not plan on PUBLISHING the story, seeing as how I don't want to be reamed by PETA.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Who cares about PETA anymore? If you published it and PETA makes a big hubbub, you'd make a fair amount of moolah.

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  • DarrenForestDarrenForest Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    EggyToast wrote: »
    Who cares about PETA anymore? If you published it and PETA makes a big hubbub, you'd make a fair amount of moolah.

    Holy crap, that is brilliant. But one step at a time, I've gotta WRITE the damn thing first.

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  • Vi MonksVi Monks Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    If you're looking for an outline, I think the Snowflake Method is your best bet. I used it to plan out a novel that I'm currently writing and it has made a world of difference for me. I tried my hand at writing a few stories before just off the cuff, without much planning beyond a general idea. It was horrible. I ended up with rambling messes that were unfocused and just awful. Planning it out beforehand has been fantastic. The story flows so much better for me now, and it's much more focused. Some writers worry that planning takes out all the creativity, but I haven't found that to be the case at all. It just gives me a skeleton to work around, making sure I'm keeping the overarching goals of my story in mind. Some writers really go for the "by the seat of your pants" style, but if that doesn't work for you, I highly suggest giving this method a shot.

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I have a writing minor and it continually disgusts me how little I learned about writing in those classes. Not once did we talk about structure. All of my knowledge of story construction comes from theatre work (which hey, is what my major is in!).
    grrrr grumble mumble mumble

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I have a writing minor and it continually disgusts me how little I learned about writing in those classes. Not once did we talk about structure. All of my knowledge of story construction comes from theatre work (which hey, is what my major is in).
    grrrr grumble mumble mumble

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