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    bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Staleghoti wrote: »
    Seriously though

    Sauvignon Blanc sucks

    new zealand sav blanc is damned good

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Mysst wrote: »
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    bsjezz wrote: »
    You are utterly wrong if you think that they make movies only for children.

    sorry, but it's where the priority is. as much as you might wish it otherwise, as much as you assume that because they do something you love to do well, they're doing it for you: they're not, and it doesn't make it so.

    these aren't great or memorable stories. they are fantasies, designed for kids and people who want to feel good. that's not the fucking point of storytelling. storytelling isn't about 'accessibility' nor is it about being a vehicle for style. storytelling is about communication, and these films communicate nothing

    Man these stories are some of the most layered, thematically relevant stories out there.

    Go watch A Bug's Life again and tell me it's not about unionizing. Watch Monsters Inc. and tell me it's not about parenthood. Watch the entire god damned Toy Story trilogy and tell me it's not about the fear of growing obsolete or losing your friends.

    are you calling toshiro mifune a teamster?

    Can't speak for Seven Samurai because I haven't seen it, but all I know is that A Bug's Life is about bullying bosses forcing unreasonable working conditions on worker ants and the ants going on strike and organizing and "negotiating" better working conditions.

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Man I can get pumped for a new Pixar movie just because it's a new Pixar movie

    But

    Why Cars 2

    And not The Incredibles 2

    In the end, there's a good chance it just came down to a solid story for Cars 2 presented itself before The Incredibles 2. Even if everyone in the world loved The Incredibles more than Cars, doing The Incredibles first because 'people like that one more' is a terrible reason to make a sequel.

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    Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    cars 2 huh

    was this a thing that really need to be made

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    GanluanGanluan Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Goddamn The Incredibles was awesome. I liked the part where Elastigirl is telling the kids that if the guards find them, they'll be killed. Talking about kids being killed in a Disney movie surprised the hell out of me.

    I would have never thought Craig T Nelson could do a job voice acting either.

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    NerindilNerindil Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Man I can get pumped for a new Pixar movie just because it's a new Pixar movie

    But

    Why Cars 2

    And not The Incredibles 2

    $

    You're right of course

    But I still can't get over the fact that I'm going to be in a movie theater thoroughly enjoying the sequel to a merely great movie instead of an Incredible one

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    Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
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    FAQFAQ Registered User regular
    edited November 2010

    they couldn't cram a ninja in there no?

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Ganluan wrote: »
    Goddamn The Incredibles was awesome. I liked the part where Elastigirl is telling the kids that if the guards find them, they'll be killed. Talking about kids being killed in a Disney movie surprised the hell out of me.

    I would have never thought Craig T Nelson could do a job voice acting either.

    The Incredibles was by far the darkest of the Pixar movies so far, and really was when it turned that corner into movies that are just as much for adults, than children. The family fighting was so realistic, you had no trouble believing "this is how a family of superheroes would bicker" and Mr Incredible saving that guy who attempted suicide, then being sued, and LOSING.

    Not to mention Syndrome being fucking killed

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    Lord DaveLord Dave Grief Causer Bitch Free ZoneRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Next summer get ready for Gerard Butler in: Sure I'll Do Whatever

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    Andy JoeAndy Joe We claim the land for the highlord! The AdirondacksRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I've seen every Pixar movie and liked them all. You know why? I'm not a goddamn heathen.
    bsjezz wrote: »
    storytelling isn't about 'accessibility' nor is it about being a vehicle for style.

    It can be and often is, in fact, about exactly those things.

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    TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    so what bsjezz is getting at is that these films are are not nearly DEEP enough

    the sort of deepness that requires all caps

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    Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] ...it was the summer of my lifeRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Javen wrote: »
    Ganluan wrote: »
    Goddamn The Incredibles was awesome. I liked the part where Elastigirl is telling the kids that if the guards find them, they'll be killed. Talking about kids being killed in a Disney movie surprised the hell out of me.

    I would have never thought Craig T Nelson could do a job voice acting either.

    The Incredibles was by far the darkest of the Pixar movies so far, and really was when it turned that corner into movies that are just as much for adults, than children. The family fighting was so realistic, you had no trouble believing "this is how a family of superheroes would bicker" and Mr Incredible saving that guy who attempted suicide, then being sued, and LOSING.

    Not to mention Syndrome being fucking killed

    Him looking at the screen and seeing pictures of all his old friends with TERMINATED stamped over them was just sinister.

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    There's some strange ideas about what movies should be floating around in this thread

    Like, for instance, Pixar movies not being universally enjoyable regardless of age

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Storytelling can also be a vehicle for commentary, in which Pixar films are extremely rife.

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    Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    FAQ wrote: »

    they couldn't cram a ninja in there no?

    when you've got mutants and zombie sharks

    you don't need ninjas

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    Lord DaveLord Dave Grief Causer Bitch Free ZoneRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    why even try to fix an opinion that bad
    spend your energy building a model plane or something

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I mean

    It's okay to not like Pixar movies, that's a valid opinion

    But it doesn't mean it's not a bad one

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    BusterKBusterK Negativity is Boring Cynicism is Cowardice Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Yeah that Trailer was what I would want to see another Cars movie





    Meanwhile
    On the subjects of new ideas in Pixar films
    Let's take Finding Nemo
    Finding Nemo is a story about being a parent
    There are very few films about this particular part of human life
    Even though it is a very common experience
    And when there is, it's usually about being a good mother
    This was about what it means to be a good father
    We get many presentations of fatherhood from Marlin's overprotectiveness to the recklessness of Gil as a surrogate father. In between we get the middle ground of Crush who gives his children freedom while keeping a careful eye on them. In the end Marlin learns not just to give his son freedom but to also trust him with that freedom and allow him to risk with confidence.


    Now I'm asking specifically Bsjezz
    For you to point to other movies with these same ideas that make them so old and time worn

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Javen wrote: »
    Ganluan wrote: »
    Goddamn The Incredibles was awesome. I liked the part where Elastigirl is telling the kids that if the guards find them, they'll be killed. Talking about kids being killed in a Disney movie surprised the hell out of me.

    I would have never thought Craig T Nelson could do a job voice acting either.

    The Incredibles was by far the darkest of the Pixar movies so far, and really was when it turned that corner into movies that are just as much for adults, than children. The family fighting was so realistic, you had no trouble believing "this is how a family of superheroes would bicker" and Mr Incredible saving that guy who attempted suicide, then being sued, and LOSING.

    Not to mention Syndrome being fucking killed

    Him looking at the screen and seeing pictures of all his old friends with TERMINATED stamped over them was just sinister.

    The fall of Mr Incredible was so fucking emotional. I really don't think a "kids movie" would have their male lead be told his wife and children were fucking dead and he shouldn't worry about it because "you work alone"

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Javen wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Ganluan wrote: »
    Goddamn The Incredibles was awesome. I liked the part where Elastigirl is telling the kids that if the guards find them, they'll be killed. Talking about kids being killed in a Disney movie surprised the hell out of me.

    I would have never thought Craig T Nelson could do a job voice acting either.

    The Incredibles was by far the darkest of the Pixar movies so far, and really was when it turned that corner into movies that are just as much for adults, than children. The family fighting was so realistic, you had no trouble believing "this is how a family of superheroes would bicker" and Mr Incredible saving that guy who attempted suicide, then being sued, and LOSING.

    Not to mention Syndrome being fucking killed

    Him looking at the screen and seeing pictures of all his old friends with TERMINATED stamped over them was just sinister.

    The fall of Mr Incredible was so fucking emotional. I really don't think a "kids movie" would have their male lead be told his wife and children were fucking dead and he shouldn't worry about it because "you work alone"
    I can't lose you again!

    I can't. Not again. I'm not... strong enough.

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    bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    BusterK wrote: »
    Now I'm asking specifically Bsjezz
    For you to point to other movies with these same ideas that make them so old and time worn

    three men and a baby

    and the all-time classic

    three men and a little lady

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    FAQFAQ Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    three men and a bride

    they're in talks

    let's do it hollywood, let's go for the fucking gold

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    BusterKBusterK Negativity is Boring Cynicism is Cowardice Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    bsjezz wrote: »
    BusterK wrote: »
    Now I'm asking specifically Bsjezz
    For you to point to other movies with these same ideas that make them so old and time worn

    three men and a baby

    and the all-time classic

    three men and a little lady

    Yes three men and a baby is about learning to trust your child and give them freedom
    Great job

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    Lord DaveLord Dave Grief Causer Bitch Free ZoneRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    don't forget about Father's Day

    man, Robin Williams makes a lot of terrible movies

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    bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    BusterK wrote: »
    bsjezz wrote: »
    BusterK wrote: »
    Now I'm asking specifically Bsjezz
    For you to point to other movies with these same ideas that make them so old and time worn

    three men and a baby

    and the all-time classic

    three men and a little lady

    Yes three men and a baby is about learning to trust your child and give them freedom
    Great job

    adventures in babysitting?

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    GanluanGanluan Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Javen wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Ganluan wrote: »
    Goddamn The Incredibles was awesome. I liked the part where Elastigirl is telling the kids that if the guards find them, they'll be killed. Talking about kids being killed in a Disney movie surprised the hell out of me.

    I would have never thought Craig T Nelson could do a job voice acting either.

    The Incredibles was by far the darkest of the Pixar movies so far, and really was when it turned that corner into movies that are just as much for adults, than children. The family fighting was so realistic, you had no trouble believing "this is how a family of superheroes would bicker" and Mr Incredible saving that guy who attempted suicide, then being sued, and LOSING.

    Not to mention Syndrome being fucking killed

    Him looking at the screen and seeing pictures of all his old friends with TERMINATED stamped over them was just sinister.

    The fall of Mr Incredible was so fucking emotional. I really don't think a "kids movie" would have their male lead be told his wife and children were fucking dead and he shouldn't worry about it because "you work alone"

    Shit I forgot about that line. Syndrome was a great antagonist.

    "When everyone is super, no one will be".

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    BusterKBusterK Negativity is Boring Cynicism is Cowardice Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Lord Dave wrote: »
    why even try to fix an opinion that bad
    spend your energy building a model plane or something

    Once again LD
    I should listen to you

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    Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] ...it was the summer of my lifeRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    "When everyone is super...no one will be." is probably one of Pixar's best lines ever.

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    mensch-o-maticmensch-o-matic Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    what is this, what am i witnessing

    pixar movies communicate nothing well ok if you say so hoss

    lets get back to how mind-blowingly gorgeous the set designs of the incredibles was

    i saw a blog a while back dedicated purely to the chairs used in that film

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    StaleghotiStaleghoti Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    bsjezz wrote: »
    Staleghoti wrote: »
    Seriously though

    Sauvignon Blanc sucks

    new zealand sav blanc is damned good

    nah

    it's good for like, one kind of fish.

    That and chardonnay, mmmm I'm an old geezer.

    truth is something almost always pairs better than Sauvignon Blanc

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    bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Staleghoti wrote: »
    bsjezz wrote: »
    Staleghoti wrote: »
    Seriously though

    Sauvignon Blanc sucks

    new zealand sav blanc is damned good

    nah

    it's good for like, one kind of fish.

    That and chardonnay, mmmm I'm an old geezer.

    truth is something almost always pairs better than Sauvignon Blanc

    it's popular over here (australia) because we have so much good seafood. soft cheese is hard to pair though, i was trying to think of something light and tart without too much staying power

    personally i dig pinot grigio but really i'm a wine novice

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Polish is also incredibly important, which is where the bulk of Pixar's accolades address. Like Rank said of the art and animation, I also think holds true for the storytelling. Everything that is there, is there for a reason and serves a very real purpose. Does is always break new ground? No. But it's not a requirement of good storytelling to do so.

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    StaleghotiStaleghoti Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    bsjezz wrote: »
    Staleghoti wrote: »
    bsjezz wrote: »
    Staleghoti wrote: »
    Seriously though

    Sauvignon Blanc sucks

    new zealand sav blanc is damned good

    nah

    it's good for like, one kind of fish.

    That and chardonnay, mmmm I'm an old geezer.

    truth is something almost always pairs better than Sauvignon Blanc

    it's popular over here (australia) because we have so much good seafood. soft cheese is hard to pair though, i was trying to think of something light and tart without too much staying power

    personally i dig pinot grigio but really i'm a wine novice

    pino grigio is the shit.

    Dry Rieslings are really trendy right now in Canada.

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    KusuguttaiKusuguttai __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2010
    i think my main problem with cars was that it felt much more like a little kids movie than anything pixar has done and, being a teenager at the time, i didn't really care for it

    that and i don't like owen wilson when he phones in lines and at the time (haven't seen it since it was in theaters) i thought he was phoning it in pretty bad

    it was a pretty movie though, i can give it that

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    Lord DaveLord Dave Grief Causer Bitch Free ZoneRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Kusuguttai wrote: »
    i think my main problem with cars was that it felt much more like a little kids movie than anything pixar has done and, being a teenager at the time, i didn't really care for it

    that and i don't like owen wilson when he phones in lines and at the time (haven't seen it since it was in theaters) i thought he was phoning it in pretty bad

    it was a pretty movie though, i can give it that

    Cars was precisely not for teenagers, because teenagers are awful

    It was for kids, and old people with Route 66 America nostalgia

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    takyristakyris Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I liked Cars more than I liked Ratatouille.

    McQueen stopping at the finish line and turning around made me tear up the first time I saw it.

    And I don't even like cars, or car racing, or Route 66 nostalgia or any of it.

    Opinions!

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    Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I am the asshole who doesn't like The Incredibles, you can yell at me now.

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    LarlarLarlar consecutive normal brunches Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited November 2010
    takyris wrote: »
    I liked Cars more than I liked Ratatouille.

    McQueen stopping at the finish line and turning around made me tear up the first time I saw it.

    And I don't even like cars, or car racing, or Route 66 nostalgia or any of it.

    Opinions!

    I think that scene is a microcosmic example of why Cars was my least favorite Pixar film. They had a very synthetic approach to integrating the morals into it and you, as a viewer, were forced to consciously taste them at every turn.

    If lessons learned were vitamins, Cars is the vitamin water to Pixar's usual full-course meal.

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    bsjezz wrote: »
    You are utterly wrong if you think that they make movies only for children.

    sorry, but it's where the priority is. as much as you might wish it otherwise, as much as you assume that because they do something you love to do well, they're doing it for you: they're not, and it doesn't make it so.

    these aren't great or memorable stories. they are fantasies, designed for kids and people who want to feel good. that's not the fucking point of storytelling. storytelling isn't about 'accessibility' nor is it about being a vehicle for style. storytelling is about communication, and these films communicate nothing

    edit: nothing but the broadest emotions and time-worn morals, anyway

    Okay, you are now in the "bad opinions" pile. No further effort for rational discourse will be made, and whenever you say something stupid, I will let you know about it!

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