Raaage fucking annoying match. How do you lose a game with Shen, Sona, Kog'maw, and Tristana against a team with no carries whatsoever and only Garen for a tank. Just fucking horrible play, that's how.
I'm judging everybody who dies to Garen in a straight-up lane (as opposed to gank/teamfight) right now.
It is very easy to die to Garen lvl1-8 in a lane. Teemo/Morg beside him and it's a world of pain.
Raaage fucking annoying match. How do you lose a game with Shen, Sona, Kog'maw, and Tristana against a team with no carries whatsoever and only Garen for a tank. Just fucking horrible play, that's how.
I'm judging everybody who dies to Garen in a straight-up lane (as opposed to gank/teamfight) right now.
It is very easy to die to Garen lvl1-8 in a lane. Teemo/Morg beside him and it's a world of pain.
Or heck, almost anyone with a disable.
A Garen/Taric lane for example is not only a huge pain in the ass to deal with, but even if you don't get killed there's a good chance they can easily zone you out of exp range.
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Mordekaiser is in my top 3 of both easiest an boring to play.
Ughhhhh he needs to kill so many creeps at all times, it gets super boring
I love playing casters.(morg/vlad)
I like playing ranged carries.(mf/trist)
It more than halves my fun when I need to play Mr Heavy.(Garen/Mord/Ram, Mundo excluded because Mundo tons of corporate fun!)
Playing this again over break, while I have real Internet access! What's the latest thinking on Soraka builds? I've been running (Imp) Clarity, Clairvoyance, and building Innervating Locket, Merc Treads, and Aegis.
shes basically completely outdone by sona and has no place in the current meta~
Aw, OK. I was thinking Sona or Janna should be my next unlock anyhow.
This game is quickly becoming not fun, my recent games are almost all losses now. That isn't even the worst part, playing with PA people they always want to surrender at 25 so I never really got to learn a hero since we surrender so early. Then after our less someone will always quit because they hate losing so we have to wait for another person to join our game which takes quite some time. Playing this game is very, very time consuming since it takes so long to set up a game and then so long to learn a hero since most games are wasted I only learn the early phase.
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Zen VulgarityWhat a lovely day for teaSecret British ThreadRegistered Userregular
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Janna and Sona are both good support options
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Lux/Garen is actually pretty shitty. Garen doesn't get the level advantage he has in a solo to spin all over people by himself and Lux's early lane presence is really lacking.
Everyone in this game is incredibly easy to play, doesn't mean people don't suck with them
Hahahahaahaha no that isn't true at all.
Four buttons to press, two summoner spells. Last hitting is retardedly easy, jungling is easy, AND THERE IS NO DENYING. If you consistently miss skillshots you're either not familiar with the champion yet or you're just bad.
Who takes any skill in this game to play functionally?
Compare this game to Starcraft 2 or hell even HoN and there are huge skillcap differences.
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Zen VulgarityWhat a lovely day for teaSecret British ThreadRegistered Userregular
edited November 2010
That is pretty pretentious
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Everyone in this game is incredibly easy to play, doesn't mean people don't suck with them
Hahahahaahaha no that isn't true at all.
Four buttons to press, two summoner spells. Last hitting is retardedly easy, jungling is easy, AND THERE IS NO DENYING. If you consistently miss skillshots you're either not familiar with the champion yet or you're just bad.
Who takes any skill in this game to play functionally?
It's clearly Pantheon, right?
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Everyone in this game is incredibly easy to play, doesn't mean people don't suck with them
Hahahahaahaha no that isn't true at all.
Four buttons to press, two summoner spells. Last hitting is retardedly easy, jungling is easy, AND THERE IS NO DENYING. If you consistently miss skillshots you're either not familiar with the champion yet or you're just bad.
Who takes any skill in this game to play functionally?
Compare this game to Starcraft 2 or hell even HoN and there are huge skillcap differences.
Creep denying was as easy as last hits are in this game, it didn't take skill it was just annoying and tedious and put too much focus on the early game.
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Zen VulgarityWhat a lovely day for teaSecret British ThreadRegistered Userregular
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Welp it's HoN/DOTA/LoL/random other game debate time I'm out of here before it sucks the life out of me
Raaage fucking annoying match. How do you lose a game with Shen, Sona, Kog'maw, and Tristana against a team with no carries whatsoever and only Garen for a tank. Just fucking horrible play, that's how.
I'm judging everybody who dies to Garen in a straight-up lane (as opposed to gank/teamfight) right now.
It is very easy to die to Garen lvl1-8 in a lane. Teemo/Morg beside him and it's a world of pain.
Or heck, almost anyone with a disable.
A Garen/Taric lane for example is not only a huge pain in the ass to deal with, but even if you don't get killed there's a good chance they can easily zone you out of exp range.
Garen is a beast in a 2v1 lane he can trounce the other team. If you get pissed when he kills someone in a lane you'd be really pissed when he gets a double kill all by himself.
This game is quickly becoming not fun, my recent games are almost all losses now. That isn't even the worst part, playing with PA people they always want to surrender at 25 so I never really got to learn a hero since we surrender so early. Then after our less someone will always quit because they hate losing so we have to wait for another person to join our game which takes quite some time. Playing this game is very, very time consuming since it takes so long to set up a game and then so long to learn a hero since most games are wasted I only learn the early phase.
I didn't quit out of frustration, I really had to go. I have class in a few minutes and I didn't have time to play another game. Also, though it is sometimes the case that we just get rolled, I often do well with premades. I say keep trying, play with a variety of people, etc.
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APM is the worst statistic ever devised by humankind.
I don't want LoL to require more mechanical skill than it already does. I like it being a strategy game.
Fuck micro.
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My main problem with denying, other than how tedious it made laning, was that it made it so easy to neutral a lane right next to your tower and effectively zone the crap out of your enemies. It was impossible to stay in xp range since you'd always be so vulnerable to being ganked and there was really no way to come back from that.
The only guy who can really do that in LoL is Gangplank and holy fuck is it bad if he gets to neutral a lane right next to his own tower and freefarm it.
EDIT: In some cases you might not want to do an early tower kill if there's a GP on the enemy team because that sets up the conditions for him to do that.
This game is quickly becoming not fun, my recent games are almost all losses now. That isn't even the worst part, playing with PA people they always want to surrender at 25 so I never really got to learn a hero since we surrender so early. Then after our less someone will always quit because they hate losing so we have to wait for another person to join our game which takes quite some time. Playing this game is very, very time consuming since it takes so long to set up a game and then so long to learn a hero since most games are wasted I only learn the early phase.
I didn't quit out of frustration, I really had to go. I have class in a few minutes and I didn't have time to play another game. Also, though it is sometimes the case that we just get rolled, I often do well with premades. I say keep trying, play with a variety of people, etc.
Oh I wasn't referencing you, it just happens quite a bit and I am sure most people really do have to go.
Everyone in this game is incredibly easy to play, doesn't mean people don't suck with them
Hahahahaahaha no that isn't true at all.
Four buttons to press, two summoner spells. Last hitting is retardedly easy, jungling is easy, AND THERE IS NO DENYING. If you consistently miss skillshots you're either not familiar with the champion yet or you're just bad.
Who takes any skill in this game to play functionally?
Compare this game to Starcraft 2 or hell even HoN and there are huge skillcap differences.
Hahahahaha ok.
Hhahahhahahhaha.
Anyone can push buttons, that has NO relation on how hard a champ is to play, like come on. Like, the game I mostly play is street fighter hd remix, and yeah it is harder for sure, but I can tell there are many champ here that require a lot of experience to play well.
This game is quickly becoming not fun, my recent games are almost all losses now. That isn't even the worst part, playing with PA people they always want to surrender at 25 so I never really got to learn a hero since we surrender so early. Then after our less someone will always quit because they hate losing so we have to wait for another person to join our game which takes quite some time. Playing this game is very, very time consuming since it takes so long to set up a game and then so long to learn a hero since most games are wasted I only learn the early phase.
I didn't quit out of frustration, I really had to go. I have class in a few minutes and I didn't have time to play another game. Also, though it is sometimes the case that we just get rolled, I often do well with premades. I say keep trying, play with a variety of people, etc.
Oh I wasn't referencing you, it just happens quite a bit and I am sure most people really do have to go.
Just making sure. I didn't really see us coming back from that one anyway, I think there was somewhat of a morale issue going on.
I don't want LoL to require more mechanical skill than it already does. I like it being a strategy game.
Fuck micro.
I agree. I like how all the skill in this game comes down to who is smarter (better strats, better map awareness, better meta, better builds, etc), rather than who has the best micro.
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and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
I'd say the game is harder in terms of playing a champion well, knowing limits, map awareness, ganking and whatever than like, being dexterous or great at plate spinning/managing multiple things at once
input isn't a barrier to playing well or something
Even the skillshots are more about mindgames and positioning than mechanical skill, really. Was watching a TreeEskimo game and he pointed out that he threw a Nidalee spear behind a retreating champ and to an angle because if they went back, they would die to the spear, but if they stayed or moved forward, he could auto-attack and finish them off.
One of my favorite things is harassing with fully charged Janna storms. I love to play mind games, like running at a diagonal angle across the lane and setting off the cyclone at an opposite angle, and they often retreat into the tornado.
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Which is why I believe skill isn't champion dependent
And therefore, every champion is easy as hell to play, but what you do with your macro and smarts is key as hell
You might be the best at microing X champ but if you don't understand the macro/mental aspect of the game, which has infinitely higher of a skillcap, you're going to be bad at the game and lose 10/10 games
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"and the morning stars I have seen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Even the skillshots are more about mindgames and positioning than mechanical skill, really. Was watching a TreeEskimo game and he pointed out that he threw a Nidalee spear behind a retreating champ and to an angle because if they went back, they would die to the spear, but if they stayed or moved forward, he could auto-attack and finish them off.
One of my favorite things is harassing with fully charged Janna storms. I love to play mind games, like running at a diagonal angle across the lane and setting off the cyclone at an opposite angle, and they often retreat into the tornado.
bet.
The input is super easy to get a hang of so you're able to have your character react exactly how you want in just about every situation. There's barely ever stuff where I go "dang I intended to do something else" like I would in a fighting game (i am bad at these) so theres not many instances where I go "well fuck that is the games fault" instead of "yeah, I suck"
Also I have gotten pretty ok at dodging most skill shots. Juking skill shots is a "hobby of mine"
Even the skillshots are more about mindgames and positioning than mechanical skill, really. Was watching a TreeEskimo game and he pointed out that he threw a Nidalee spear behind a retreating champ and to an angle because if they went back, they would die to the spear, but if they stayed or moved forward, he could auto-attack and finish them off.
One of my favorite things is harassing with fully charged Janna storms. I love to play mind games, like running at a diagonal angle across the lane and setting off the cyclone at an opposite angle, and they often retreat into the tornado.
bet.
The input is super easy to get a hang of so you're able to have your character react exactly how you want in just about every situation. There's barely ever stuff where I go "dang I intended to do something else" like I would in a fighting game (i am bad at these) so theres not many instances where I go "well fuck that is the games fault" instead of "yeah, I suck"
Also I have gotten pretty ok at dodging most skill shots. Juking skill shots is a "hobby of mine"
Pretty much this. I find the easiest way to dodge skillshots is to force them to use them. Putting yourself in a situation where you appear vulnerable and coaxing them to attempt to hit you with it then you wait for that split second where their movement pattern changes right before they fire and you move out of the way and counterattack.
Works 80% of the time when I do it that way. It's like it's own little minigame. Corki rockets are the most fun to dodge because there is a very noticeable animation right before the rocket fires. Of course dodging skillshots that go through walls is almost impossible so I just always make sure i'm moving to make myself a hard target in any situation.
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This game is quickly becoming not fun, my recent games are almost all losses now. That isn't even the worst part, playing with PA people they always want to surrender at 25 so I never really got to learn a hero since we surrender so early. Then after our less someone will always quit because they hate losing so we have to wait for another person to join our game which takes quite some time. Playing this game is very, very time consuming since it takes so long to set up a game and then so long to learn a hero since most games are wasted I only learn the early phase.
I win a lot more than I lose these days, a lot more. Sometimes I get bad lose streaks, but I always come back with an even bigger win streak. Luckily for me, I started playing with PA after I learned pretty much every champ i wanted, so i rarely go into a PA game not knowing the champ I'm playing. Also, I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I've surrendered in PA games, it just doesn't happen often, probably cause I'm in the game so theres no need to surrender cause we're obviously winning cause I'm present, regardless of the hero comp, so I guess I'm biased. I can understand how it would be frustrating not being 30, and playing with a bunch of people who have been 30 for some time with hundreds of games under their belt, sometimes, you just have to know when to give up, especially when you're playing with 4 other people you play with a lot. Why bother playing out a game that you're most likely going to lose, when you can just as quickly start a new one? I know for me, while I am a try hard and absolutely hate losing, sometime it's just better not wasting time against a team and just starting a new game.
Also, Reginald is making an awessome awesome guilde, that every one should read, about a lot of stuff. Yes, it has a tier list, but it's a well put together tier list, not just who's better overall, but who's better at what roles, good laning duo's, ect. every shud read it rite now.
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and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
It is very easy to die to Garen lvl1-8 in a lane. Teemo/Morg beside him and it's a world of pain.
So is Ashe.
Or heck, almost anyone with a disable.
A Garen/Taric lane for example is not only a huge pain in the ass to deal with, but even if you don't get killed there's a good chance they can easily zone you out of exp range.
Sion/Garen
Taric/Garen
Fuckin' horrifying
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Blitz/Sion
Blitz/Garen
I love playing casters.(morg/vlad)
I like playing ranged carries.(mf/trist)
It more than halves my fun when I need to play Mr Heavy.(Garen/Mord/Ram, Mundo excluded because Mundo tons of corporate fun!)
Hahahahaahaha no that isn't true at all.
Aw, OK. I was thinking Sona or Janna should be my next unlock anyhow.
Four buttons to press, two summoner spells. Last hitting is retardedly easy, jungling is easy, AND THERE IS NO DENYING. If you consistently miss skillshots you're either not familiar with the champion yet or you're just bad.
Who takes any skill in this game to play functionally?
Compare this game to Starcraft 2 or hell even HoN and there are huge skillcap differences.
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Which is why those other games are horrible.
I want to play with my brain not my hands
I'm a pretentious fuck
edit: upon further thought I'd say Udyr requires the most thought to play
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Fuck.
Garen is a beast in a 2v1 lane he can trounce the other team. If you get pissed when he kills someone in a lane you'd be really pissed when he gets a double kill all by himself.
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I didn't quit out of frustration, I really had to go. I have class in a few minutes and I didn't have time to play another game. Also, though it is sometimes the case that we just get rolled, I often do well with premades. I say keep trying, play with a variety of people, etc.
Fuck micro.
The only guy who can really do that in LoL is Gangplank and holy fuck is it bad if he gets to neutral a lane right next to his own tower and freefarm it.
EDIT: In some cases you might not want to do an early tower kill if there's a GP on the enemy team because that sets up the conditions for him to do that.
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Oh I wasn't referencing you, it just happens quite a bit and I am sure most people really do have to go.
Hahahahaha ok.
Hhahahhahahhaha.
Anyone can push buttons, that has NO relation on how hard a champ is to play, like come on. Like, the game I mostly play is street fighter hd remix, and yeah it is harder for sure, but I can tell there are many champ here that require a lot of experience to play well.
Just making sure. I didn't really see us coming back from that one anyway, I think there was somewhat of a morale issue going on.
I agree. I like how all the skill in this game comes down to who is smarter (better strats, better map awareness, better meta, better builds, etc), rather than who has the best micro.
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
input isn't a barrier to playing well or something
I have a point in there somewhere
One of my favorite things is harassing with fully charged Janna storms. I love to play mind games, like running at a diagonal angle across the lane and setting off the cyclone at an opposite angle, and they often retreat into the tornado.
We need to do that in a normal game sometime, it was fun. I am liking twitch more and more, he is so ridiculous once he has some gear.
Which is why I believe skill isn't champion dependent
And therefore, every champion is easy as hell to play, but what you do with your macro and smarts is key as hell
You might be the best at microing X champ but if you don't understand the macro/mental aspect of the game, which has infinitely higher of a skillcap, you're going to be bad at the game and lose 10/10 games
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
bet.
The input is super easy to get a hang of so you're able to have your character react exactly how you want in just about every situation. There's barely ever stuff where I go "dang I intended to do something else" like I would in a fighting game (i am bad at these) so theres not many instances where I go "well fuck that is the games fault" instead of "yeah, I suck"
Also I have gotten pretty ok at dodging most skill shots. Juking skill shots is a "hobby of mine"
Pretty much this. I find the easiest way to dodge skillshots is to force them to use them. Putting yourself in a situation where you appear vulnerable and coaxing them to attempt to hit you with it then you wait for that split second where their movement pattern changes right before they fire and you move out of the way and counterattack.
Works 80% of the time when I do it that way. It's like it's own little minigame. Corki rockets are the most fun to dodge because there is a very noticeable animation right before the rocket fires. Of course dodging skillshots that go through walls is almost impossible so I just always make sure i'm moving to make myself a hard target in any situation.
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I win a lot more than I lose these days, a lot more. Sometimes I get bad lose streaks, but I always come back with an even bigger win streak. Luckily for me, I started playing with PA after I learned pretty much every champ i wanted, so i rarely go into a PA game not knowing the champ I'm playing. Also, I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I've surrendered in PA games, it just doesn't happen often, probably cause I'm in the game so theres no need to surrender cause we're obviously winning cause I'm present, regardless of the hero comp, so I guess I'm biased. I can understand how it would be frustrating not being 30, and playing with a bunch of people who have been 30 for some time with hundreds of games under their belt, sometimes, you just have to know when to give up, especially when you're playing with 4 other people you play with a lot. Why bother playing out a game that you're most likely going to lose, when you can just as quickly start a new one? I know for me, while I am a try hard and absolutely hate losing, sometime it's just better not wasting time against a team and just starting a new game.
Also, Reginald is making an awessome awesome guilde, that every one should read, about a lot of stuff. Yes, it has a tier list, but it's a well put together tier list, not just who's better overall, but who's better at what roles, good laning duo's, ect. every shud read it rite now.
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