I don't look at score at all when I rate how good someone is, just used for example of his poor train of thought.
How I see them move in fights is my main rating tool, plus how they move in the map
You mean is the never, ever stop clicking on the ground during teamfights?
That's how I tell if someone is good. If they never stand still. Of course.
I assume Wheezy is talking about positioning which is really critical in teamfights.
For instance, a Tristana who moves next to a wall at the start of the teamfight then jumps over it when she gets focused and continues firing from over the wall just demonstrated good positioning.
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Trynd is so easy to shut down. Paper melee carries don't work against good players, even with six seconds of invulnerability. You just drop an exhaust then a stun then he has to run or he'll die.
I do attack, attack(if there is time), ignite. Then don't even chase him. Just wait 3-4 secs for the "You have slain an enemy.".
if they were going 1/3/15 they would not be losing. so more like the vlad that whines like a bitch about being mid then goes 1/4/0 and leaves
can't wait for vlad week to be over
Had a few of those this week, it's a blessing and a curse though, since some of the really bad vlad's have been providing some great easy kills. I suspect people see how dominant he is by mid game and figure he's op, then take him out for a spin and don't realize how weak he is for the first few levels.
ELO hell sure does exist. Any time I solo queue 80-90% of the time I'm the only positive score on our team or I have the best record on our team. There's usually a feeder or someone whining and bitching because they didn't get mid.
That's really not the point. The teams you face will, in the long term, run into the exact same problems in the exact same proportion. The constant factor in your overall win/loss record, once you get to a large enough sample size to see it, is you.
That isn't a refutation of Elo hell, it's a description of it. With you being one out of ten players in a game, the sample size required to iron out the variance of each individual game is enormous. And it is the individual games that matter, not the long term expected value over thousands of trials. Because an individual game is ~45 minutes of your life, and when it feels more like a coin flip decides the match more than anything you can do, that is hellish.
ELO hell sure does exist. Any time I solo queue 80-90% of the time I'm the only positive score on our team or I have the best record on our team. There's usually a feeder or someone whining and bitching because they didn't get mid.
That's really not the point. The teams you face will, in the long term, run into the exact same problems in the exact same proportion. The constant factor in your overall win/loss record, once you get to a large enough sample size to see it, is you.
Even if you want to say some games are just simply unwinnable because of your teammates, remember that the same will be true for opposing teams in some of your games. Recognize that when it happens.
The ones which are close enough for your play to change the outcome win or lose (which are probably more games than you think) are what will determine your Elo.
Large enough sample size being the big fucking deal here.
If someone has played a 1000 games with fail teammates, they are part of the problem, but you can easily go 50 without it being your fault you lost 40 of those.
People who bring up this point about solo queue elo hell either
a: don't understand statistics
b. really underestimate how truly shitty and unfun it is to slog through a river of decaying feces to reach the point where random factors are less of an issue.
I adore solo queue where people buy wards, fight for dragon, and ward/steal enemy buffs.
This beer's for you, solo queue! SOMETIMES YOU ARE WHAT YOU SHOULD BE
I solo queue a lot, and I make it my mission in life to never let an ally get ganked. Between clairvoyance and me scattering wards like johnny appleseed, I usually have the whole map on lockdown. Of course, sometimes you get the guys that don't use their minimap, but I can only do so much.
I'm still really bad at getting buffs, though. I always figure I should let teammates get them.
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had a good game with weezy, skippy and mango. Cass lagged out at launch so we were 4v5 the whole game. We ultimately lost because we couldn't shut down their multi-lane pushes but beat them up pretty well in the teamfights and ended with something like 35/22 k/d for the team. I went around 2/2/18 with malphite and weezy had over 20 kills with his pantheon.
i mean, we lost, but i don't think that they were playing badly or stupidly enough to lose. i felt pretty good about the way that we played. i feel like i'm starting to get a feel for malphite, and some of my ults were pretty great.
I solo queue a lot, and I make it my mission in life to never let an ally get ganked. Between clairvoyance and me scattering wards like johnny appleseed, I usually have the whole map on lockdown. Of course, sometimes you get the guys that don't use their minimap, but I can only do so much.
That's when you watch the minimap yourself like a hawk. And ping when a gank is incoming. And ping. And ping some more. And realise that you're playing with someone so high right now, they're no longer in the Earth's gravitational field.
Optionally, you then use bad words at people on the internet.
Similarly, those people who get knocked down to 10% HP and have little to no way of regenerating it, but still stick around in lane.
hmm that tanky swain build looks really interesting. he's one of my favorite heroes, I'll definitely have to give that a shot.
It rapes some serious face, i tried it to, and it works wonders. The enemy champion literally goes WTF, how is he beating me?! It's like Swains pretending to be Urgot, but hes secretly Shen.
Similarly, those people who get knocked down to 10% HP and have little to no way of regenerating it, but still stick around in lane.
I love those people. Especially when you say "go back, I'll cover the lane. They're going to dive you" and then it happens and they're all THANKS A LOT FOR HELPING <whoever you are playing>!!
i played against team yordle as tryndamere with cleanse, they had both heimerdinger, teemo, and an exhaust
this is what happened to them
I don't like the build I was going for that game, though I do think that double bubble on Sivir is generally awesome. Not that anyone cares, but I've been going chalice, boots 1, bf sword, boots 2, banshee, bloodthirster (if i'm not dying a lot) or Iedge if I am, and then decide what to do from there.
Wait until you hit 20, spend all your IP on runes and realise you STILL don't have enough IP to get them all. Then you will be hitting up a ton of IP Farm 11 mins custom games.
Similarly, those people who get knocked down to 10% HP and have little to no way of regenerating it, but still stick around in lane.
I love those people. Especially when you say "go back, I'll cover the lane. They're going to dive you" and then it happens and they're all THANKS A LOT FOR HELPING <whoever you are playing>!!
This happens to me so much it's not even funny.
Last time this happened, I was on the other side of the map jungling, our Kass was sitting by the tower with about 200 hp pinging like crazy .. Why do people sit there when they know they're gonna get ganked? Why?
Similarly, those people who get knocked down to 10% HP and have little to no way of regenerating it, but still stick around in lane.
I love those people. Especially when you say "go back, I'll cover the lane. They're going to dive you" and then it happens and they're all THANKS A LOT FOR HELPING <whoever you are playing>!!
This happens to me so much it's not even funny.
Last time this happened, I was on the other side of the map jungling, our Kass was sitting by the tower with about 200 hp pinging like crazy .. Why do people sit there when they know they're gonna get ganked? Why?
Mmmmm, I've given a kill for a tower before, especially if I see that somebody will be there in time to make it 1 for 1.
Edit: I'm not talking about situations where the lane is not pushed and the player just backs to the tower and sits there waiting.
Similarly, those people who get knocked down to 10% HP and have little to no way of regenerating it, but still stick around in lane.
I love those people. Especially when you say "go back, I'll cover the lane. They're going to dive you" and then it happens and they're all THANKS A LOT FOR HELPING <whoever you are playing>!!
This happens to me so much it's not even funny.
Last time this happened, I was on the other side of the map jungling, our Kass was sitting by the tower with about 200 hp pinging like crazy .. Why do people sit there when they know they're gonna get ganked? Why?
If it's pre level 6 then yeah, he's dumb.
Post 6 though, kassadin is great bait for tower diving and can easily turn a dive into a free kill which would also help take pressure off whatever lane he is defending.
Like, if I get low in mid I'll ping the tower and ask someone to defend it before I go back if it's at all feasible.
But yeah, some people just hang around too long for no reason... convinced they wont make all the same mistakes that got them low in the first place. I know I've been guilty of this a lot myself.
It's accurate to a certain extent, but there is a margin for error. No, "ELO Hell" as in something you get stuck in and held down by bad players does not exist. However, the LoL system has a lot of external factors which muddy the picture and cause ELO rating to just be a rough estimate of skill and not an exact ranking.
ELO Hell isn't about bad players; it's about troll accounts. I mean, where on the ELO ladder do you expect intentional feeder accounts to go (for example)? I'm actually on a winning streak doing Ranked solo q right now (just farming up IP so I can buy Shaco), but since last night I've run into 2 3v5s (enemy team short-handed), 1 4v5 (enemy team short-handed) and 2 games with troll accounts (both of them on my team) who intentionally fed, pinged for non-existent ganks, called MIAs for champs that weren't even in the game, etc.
If Riot would weed out the trolls, ELO Hell would go away. Until they do, the bottom of the ladder is where they'll all continue to reside.
I want to play, but no one else seems to be, I see people online though. I'm going to end up going back into soloqueue hell aren't I? =\
Sorry, I'm visiting my parents and I don't think my work laptop with onboard intel graphics is going to cut it... Otherwise it's pretty fast but the onboard gfx is a fail for LoL, right?
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edited November 2010
Awesome!
Also as I was walking upstairs to check my computer my niece was reciting the "lions and tigers and bears oh my!" thing so your username is amusingly topical in my house.
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Also as I was walking upstairs to check my computer my niece was reciting the "lions and tigers and bears oh my!" thing so your username is amusingly topical in my house.
That is one of my biggest pet peeves, people lvoe to stay out on the map with no health, no mana, and are useless if a fight happens. In dota/hon it can be kind of understandable but in lol you have free blue pill, I use it constantly. Going back has a lot of benefits, get to shop, buy a ward, your lanemate gets solo xp for a while, which can be good, and you come back full health and mana, maybe ready for a kill.
Sitting there at like 25%/25% means you are functionally useless.
Also elo hell not mostly troll accounts, mostly shitty players, believe me
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I assume Wheezy is talking about positioning which is really critical in teamfights.
For instance, a Tristana who moves next to a wall at the start of the teamfight then jumps over it when she gets focused and continues firing from over the wall just demonstrated good positioning.
I do attack, attack(if there is time), ignite. Then don't even chase him. Just wait 3-4 secs for the "You have slain an enemy.".
that shit
i live for that shit
Had a few of those this week, it's a blessing and a curse though, since some of the really bad vlad's have been providing some great easy kills. I suspect people see how dominant he is by mid game and figure he's op, then take him out for a spin and don't realize how weak he is for the first few levels.
should I rush infinity edge? or maybe starks/last whisper?
That isn't a refutation of Elo hell, it's a description of it. With you being one out of ten players in a game, the sample size required to iron out the variance of each individual game is enormous. And it is the individual games that matter, not the long term expected value over thousands of trials. Because an individual game is ~45 minutes of your life, and when it feels more like a coin flip decides the match more than anything you can do, that is hellish.
Large enough sample size being the big fucking deal here.
If someone has played a 1000 games with fail teammates, they are part of the problem, but you can easily go 50 without it being your fault you lost 40 of those.
People who bring up this point about solo queue elo hell either
a: don't understand statistics
b. really underestimate how truly shitty and unfun it is to slog through a river of decaying feces to reach the point where random factors are less of an issue.
manamume
zerker greaves
warmogs
atma's
thornmail
force of nature
run into the middle of their team alone, ult on top of yourself
or is it still warmog's -> atma's -> rest of that stuff
I solo queue a lot, and I make it my mission in life to never let an ally get ganked. Between clairvoyance and me scattering wards like johnny appleseed, I usually have the whole map on lockdown. Of course, sometimes you get the guys that don't use their minimap, but I can only do so much.
I'm still really bad at getting buffs, though. I always figure I should let teammates get them.
i mean, we lost, but i don't think that they were playing badly or stupidly enough to lose. i felt pretty good about the way that we played. i feel like i'm starting to get a feel for malphite, and some of my ults were pretty great.
last game I went tear->zerkers->warmogs->atmas>manamune->fon->thornmail
Infinity Edge is so, so expensive and not worth the money it costs to make
Stark's Fervor is awesome on Yi, you might try Madred's too
Optionally, you then use bad words at people on the internet.
Similarly, those people who get knocked down to 10% HP and have little to no way of regenerating it, but still stick around in lane.
Right?
It rapes some serious face, i tried it to, and it works wonders. The enemy champion literally goes WTF, how is he beating me?! It's like Swains pretending to be Urgot, but hes secretly Shen.
I love those people. Especially when you say "go back, I'll cover the lane. They're going to dive you" and then it happens and they're all THANKS A LOT FOR HELPING <whoever you are playing>!!
I don't like the build I was going for that game, though I do think that double bubble on Sivir is generally awesome. Not that anyone cares, but I've been going chalice, boots 1, bf sword, boots 2, banshee, bloodthirster (if i'm not dying a lot) or Iedge if I am, and then decide what to do from there.
Just play a practice game against a bot and finish after 11minutes. Get you 71xp/71ip
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
there are a few people who I suppose don't have better options? but almost everyone does
This happens to me so much it's not even funny.
Last time this happened, I was on the other side of the map jungling, our Kass was sitting by the tower with about 200 hp pinging like crazy .. Why do people sit there when they know they're gonna get ganked? Why?
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Mmmmm, I've given a kill for a tower before, especially if I see that somebody will be there in time to make it 1 for 1.
Edit: I'm not talking about situations where the lane is not pushed and the player just backs to the tower and sits there waiting.
If it's pre level 6 then yeah, he's dumb.
Post 6 though, kassadin is great bait for tower diving and can easily turn a dive into a free kill which would also help take pressure off whatever lane he is defending.
Like, if I get low in mid I'll ping the tower and ask someone to defend it before I go back if it's at all feasible.
But yeah, some people just hang around too long for no reason... convinced they wont make all the same mistakes that got them low in the first place. I know I've been guilty of this a lot myself.
ELO Hell isn't about bad players; it's about troll accounts. I mean, where on the ELO ladder do you expect intentional feeder accounts to go (for example)? I'm actually on a winning streak doing Ranked solo q right now (just farming up IP so I can buy Shaco), but since last night I've run into 2 3v5s (enemy team short-handed), 1 4v5 (enemy team short-handed) and 2 games with troll accounts (both of them on my team) who intentionally fed, pinged for non-existent ganks, called MIAs for champs that weren't even in the game, etc.
If Riot would weed out the trolls, ELO Hell would go away. Until they do, the bottom of the ladder is where they'll all continue to reside.
Sorry, I'm visiting my parents and I don't think my work laptop with onboard intel graphics is going to cut it... Otherwise it's pretty fast but the onboard gfx is a fail for LoL, right?
I'm dead serious."
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Also sweet, a man on the inside!
Also as I was walking upstairs to check my computer my niece was reciting the "lions and tigers and bears oh my!" thing so your username is amusingly topical in my house.
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Sitting there at like 25%/25% means you are functionally useless.
Also elo hell not mostly troll accounts, mostly shitty players, believe me