Someone tell me one Protoss build against each race which I should focus on to properly learn this game.
I am terrible and I need to get better at the basics instead of thinking "oh god what do i build??" and freezing up.
Watch some replays of good Protoss players and find ones you like
Gonna be laddering tonight, but a quick question: What's a great, standard build for Terran? I really enjoy a 3 rax build, but I usually get overwhelmed (even with hotkeys) when I start introducing tech and vehicles. I think once I solidify my nerves going into the 'midgame' transition, I'll start getting some honest-to-god wins on my ladder record.
2 rax fast expand
4 rax MMM
1-1-1 thor drop
1-1-1 blue hellion drop
1-1-1 cloak banshee
2 port banshee
All depends on opponent's race, map and positions. I personally like 2 rax FE or cloaked banshees followed by tank viking play against Terrans, 4 rax MMM against Protoss and either 1-1-1 variants against Zerg.
Always 2 port banshee on Scrap Station. Wall off with rax, factory and starport. So much fun.
But if you want a standard build to practice, you can never go wrong with MMM with some mixture of tanks.
Gonna be laddering tonight, but a quick question: What's a great, standard build for Terran? I really enjoy a 3 rax build, but I usually get overwhelmed (even with hotkeys) when I start introducing tech and vehicles. I think once I solidify my nerves going into the 'midgame' transition, I'll start getting some honest-to-god wins on my ladder record.
Watch some replays of good Terran players and find ones you like
:P
Honestly though unless it's someone like Day9 who spends 45mins analyzing 1 replay for you, getting information 2nd hand is only going to be bad.
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I'm mad that the korean style seems to be to throw marines at the zerg really quick until one of you loses. it's so completely the opposite of what every single caster says is the right/best way to play. I don't get it.
Terran simply can't win the macro game against a competent Zerg unless Zerg screws up massively. Better to have a 50-50 or higher chance of winning than whatever shitty odds you have in the late game.
I think it's starting to get to the point in my ladder matches where simply macroing won't win the game. Now I actually have to consider army composition. Unless my macro is terribad.
I think it's starting to get to the point in my ladder matches where simply macroing won't win the game. Now I actually have to consider army composition. Unless my macro is terribad.
Lol terran army composition? MMM
If you go MMM, you can get to diamond if your macro is good, guaranteed.
Got any replays? I could do some critical analysis if you would like I am not doing anything right now and always love to help =p
I'll upload a replay when I get home. I had three rax, admittedly with only one tech lab, no reactor. I made a push when I got my first medivac. He had two tanks and smashed my men at his ramp.
Then as I built more mans, he pushed when he got his second thor and ran all over me.
I probably should have only had two rax, with reactor, and probs my micro of my men was horrible, but I still feel as if his units were way better than mine.
I'm mad that the korean style seems to be to throw marines at the zerg really quick until one of you loses. it's so completely the opposite of what every single caster says is the right/best way to play. I don't get it.
Terran simply can't win the macro game against a competent Zerg unless Zerg screws up massively. Better to have a 50-50 or higher chance of winning than whatever shitty odds you have in the late game.
I don't agree with this at all
If you don't stop a Zerg from 14 hatching, you'll be behind 90% of the time, unless you somehow have godly drop micro and can harass multiple fronts. You can't just let Zerg do whatever the hell it wants anymore.
I'll upload a replay when I get home. I had three rax, admittedly with only one tech lab, no reactor. I made a push when I got my first medivac. He had two tanks and smashed my men at his ramp.
Then as I built more mans, he pushed when he got his second thor and ran all over me.
I probably should have only had two rax, with reactor, and probs my micro of my men was horrible, but I still feel as if his units were way better than mine.
See if he has two tanks at his ramp you shouldnt push up the ramp with just MMM, unless you have a shit ton of marauders. But even in TvT, if you just go MMM (heavy on the marauders I'd say), you should be able to probably get low diamond maybe plat, as long as you have solid macro.
I'll upload a replay when I get home. I had three rax, admittedly with only one tech lab, no reactor. I made a push when I got my first medivac. He had two tanks and smashed my men at his ramp.
Then as I built more mans, he pushed when he got his second thor and ran all over me.
I probably should have only had two rax, with reactor, and probs my micro of my men was horrible, but I still feel as if his units were way better than mine.
I'm mad that the korean style seems to be to throw marines at the zerg really quick until one of you loses. it's so completely the opposite of what every single caster says is the right/best way to play. I don't get it.
Terran simply can't win the macro game against a competent Zerg unless Zerg screws up massively. Better to have a 50-50 or higher chance of winning than whatever shitty odds you have in the late game.
I don't agree with this at all
If you don't stop a Zerg from 14 hatching, you'll be behind 90% of the time, unless you somehow have godly drop micro and can harass multiple fronts. You can't just let Zerg do whatever the hell it wants anymore.
I don't actually remember a time when you could let zerg do whatever they wanted.
but there is such a massive stretch from letting them do what they want to 2-rax all inning every game...
I'll upload a replay when I get home. I had three rax, admittedly with only one tech lab, no reactor. I made a push when I got my first medivac. He had two tanks and smashed my men at his ramp.
Then as I built more mans, he pushed when he got his second thor and ran all over me.
I probably should have only had two rax, with reactor, and probs my micro of my men was horrible, but I still feel as if his units were way better than mine.
if you lose a bunch of units to sieged tanks probably whatever he pushes with can beat you.
it sounds like you just pushed into tanks which is never a good idea whether your macro is good or bad. marauders can do it if you have enough against few enough tanks. your own tanks can do it if you have better vision than he does.
if you can't, just let the tanks be where they be and go around them in some way.
Gonna be laddering tonight, but a quick question: What's a great, standard build for Terran? I really enjoy a 3 rax build, but I usually get overwhelmed (even with hotkeys) when I start introducing tech and vehicles. I think once I solidify my nerves going into the 'midgame' transition, I'll start getting some honest-to-god wins on my ladder record.
Watch some replays of good Terran players and find ones you like
:P
Honestly though unless it's someone like Day9 who spends 45mins analyzing 1 replay for you, getting information 2nd hand is only going to be bad.
I'll upload a replay when I get home. I had three rax, admittedly with only one tech lab, no reactor. I made a push when I got my first medivac. He had two tanks and smashed my men at his ramp.
Then as I built more mans, he pushed when he got his second thor and ran all over me.
I probably should have only had two rax, with reactor, and probs my micro of my men was horrible, but I still feel as if his units were way better than mine.
if you lose a bunch of units to sieged tanks probably whatever he pushes with can beat you.
it sounds like you just pushed into tanks which is never a good idea whether your macro is good or bad. marauders can do it if you have enough against few enough tanks. your own tanks can do it if you have better vision than he does.
if you can't, just let the tanks be where they be and go around them in some way.
If your macro was up to speed, and i'm still questioning that, why didn't you scan his choke? why didn't you give some random marine a red shirt and send him in first. If he evaporates, pull back. Or pick up your army with that medivac, and drop his line.
If your macro was up to speed, and i'm still questioning that, why didn't you scan his choke? why didn't you give some random marine a red shirt and send him in first. If he evaporates, pull back. Or pick up your army with that medivac, and drop his line.
I sense another grunge match coming.
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I'll upload a replay when I get home. I had three rax, admittedly with only one tech lab, no reactor. I made a push when I got my first medivac. He had two tanks and smashed my men at his ramp.
Then as I built more mans, he pushed when he got his second thor and ran all over me.
I probably should have only had two rax, with reactor, and probs my micro of my men was horrible, but I still feel as if his units were way better than mine.
if you lose a bunch of units to sieged tanks probably whatever he pushes with can beat you.
it sounds like you just pushed into tanks which is never a good idea whether your macro is good or bad. marauders can do it if you have enough against few enough tanks. your own tanks can do it if you have better vision than he does.
if you can't, just let the tanks be where they be and go around them in some way.
If your macro was up to speed, and i'm still questioning that, why didn't you scan his choke? why didn't you give some random marine a red shirt and send him in first. If he evaporates, pull back. Or pick up your army with that medivac, and drop his line.
well those things really have nothing to do with macro
if your macro is up to speed you're not in bronze. I assume, like you, he knows that. so instead of re-re-re-re-reminding him, I'm gonna add the not macro note 'don't attack into sieged tanks'.
Gonna be laddering tonight, but a quick question: What's a great, standard build for Terran? I really enjoy a 3 rax build, but I usually get overwhelmed (even with hotkeys) when I start introducing tech and vehicles. I think once I solidify my nerves going into the 'midgame' transition, I'll start getting some honest-to-god wins on my ladder record.
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if tyou're having trouble when you get to higher tech, I say go 1-1-1. you'll learn to handle a bunch of different units types at once.
Gonna be laddering tonight, but a quick question: What's a great, standard build for Terran? I really enjoy a 3 rax build, but I usually get overwhelmed (even with hotkeys) when I start introducing tech and vehicles. I think once I solidify my nerves going into the 'midgame' transition, I'll start getting some honest-to-god wins on my ladder record.
hahaha that was pretty awesome
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Ok I got the music I'll use for the Grudgematch trailer. Now to get some ideas and then start working on it tomorrow. I might need an artist to help. Anyone who can produce high quality pictures/photoshops? Maybe even animated?
Gonna be laddering tonight, but a quick question: What's a great, standard build for Terran? I really enjoy a 3 rax build, but I usually get overwhelmed (even with hotkeys) when I start introducing tech and vehicles. I think once I solidify my nerves going into the 'midgame' transition, I'll start getting some honest-to-god wins on my ladder record.
I'll upload a replay when I get home. I had three rax, admittedly with only one tech lab, no reactor. I made a push when I got my first medivac. He had two tanks and smashed my men at his ramp.
Then as I built more mans, he pushed when he got his second thor and ran all over me.
I probably should have only had two rax, with reactor, and probs my micro of my men was horrible, but I still feel as if his units were way better than mine.
if you lose a bunch of units to sieged tanks probably whatever he pushes with can beat you.
it sounds like you just pushed into tanks which is never a good idea whether your macro is good or bad. marauders can do it if you have enough against few enough tanks. your own tanks can do it if you have better vision than he does.
if you can't, just let the tanks be where they be and go around them in some way.
If your macro was up to speed, and i'm still questioning that, why didn't you scan his choke? why didn't you give some random marine a red shirt and send him in first. If he evaporates, pull back. Or pick up your army with that medivac, and drop his line.
well those things really have nothing to do with macro
if your macro is up to speed you're not in bronze. I assume, like you, he knows that. so instead of re-re-re-re-reminding him, I'm gonna add the not macro note 'don't attack into sieged tanks'.
also I mentioned dropping ('go around them')
you're right, the suggestions to micro have nothing to do with macro. the fact that he's saying that "I still feel as if his units were way better than mine.", is an indication of a macro problem. He ran an MMM ball with 1 medivac into more than one sieged tanks. Yep, yer gonna lose that one.... And why didnt you produce anything out of the factory on the way to medivacs? Macro again. He pushes back with Thors and tanks and you feel like your units are weaker? Hrm, I wonder why that could be.
The only exception to the "don't attack sieged tanks on higher ground with ground units" is "take a handful of immortals, and an observer to spot and blow the effing tanks away".
But somehow, I have doubts that he would have had the money to pull off that protoss strat, either.
If your macro was up to speed, and i'm still questioning that, why didn't you scan his choke? why didn't you give some random marine a red shirt and send him in first. If he evaporates, pull back. Or pick up your army with that medivac, and drop his line.
I sense another grunge match coming.
Do we have to play in Seattle?
I'll take the grudge match. Lord knows that i don't get proper practice against bronze during custom games. Its all diamonds and plats, and somehow I end up getting mashed by the 2k+ diamonds constantly.
I'm mad that the korean style seems to be to throw marines at the zerg really quick until one of you loses. it's so completely the opposite of what every single caster says is the right/best way to play. I don't get it.
Terran simply can't win the macro game against a competent Zerg unless Zerg screws up massively. Better to have a 50-50 or higher chance of winning than whatever shitty odds you have in the late game.
I don't agree with this at all
If you don't stop a Zerg from 14 hatching, you'll be behind 90% of the time, unless you somehow have godly drop micro and can harass multiple fronts. You can't just let Zerg do whatever the hell it wants anymore.
i've been struggling with the FE zerg for a while. the only answer is pressure. expanding in response is an under 50% play for me.
Ok I got the music I'll use for the Grudgematch trailer. Now to get some ideas and then start working on it tomorrow. I might need an artist to help. Anyone who can produce high quality pictures/photoshops? Maybe even animated?
I'm mad that the korean style seems to be to throw marines at the zerg really quick until one of you loses. it's so completely the opposite of what every single caster says is the right/best way to play. I don't get it.
Terran simply can't win the macro game against a competent Zerg unless Zerg screws up massively. Better to have a 50-50 or higher chance of winning than whatever shitty odds you have in the late game.
I don't agree with this at all
If you don't stop a Zerg from 14 hatching, you'll be behind 90% of the time, unless you somehow have godly drop micro and can harass multiple fronts. You can't just let Zerg do whatever the hell it wants anymore.
i've been struggling with the FE zerg for a while. the only answer is pressure. expanding in response is an under 50% play for me.
Pressure is pretty much the best counter to Zergs in every situtation.
I'm mad that the korean style seems to be to throw marines at the zerg really quick until one of you loses. it's so completely the opposite of what every single caster says is the right/best way to play. I don't get it.
Terran simply can't win the macro game against a competent Zerg unless Zerg screws up massively. Better to have a 50-50 or higher chance of winning than whatever shitty odds you have in the late game.
I don't agree with this at all
If you don't stop a Zerg from 14 hatching, you'll be behind 90% of the time, unless you somehow have godly drop micro and can harass multiple fronts. You can't just let Zerg do whatever the hell it wants anymore.
i've been struggling with the FE zerg for a while. the only answer is pressure. expanding in response is an under 50% play for me.
Pressure is pretty much the best counter to Zergs in every situtation.
I agree with this.
No pressure and they'll (probably) have an expo advantage, worker advantage, big army that can tech switch easily.
But if you at least make them work for their first expo it really slows things down.
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Ok I got the music I'll use for the Grudgematch trailer. Now to get some ideas and then start working on it tomorrow. I might need an artist to help. Anyone who can produce high quality pictures/photoshops? Maybe even animated?
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Watch some replays of good Protoss players and find ones you like
4 rax MMM
1-1-1 thor drop
1-1-1 blue hellion drop
1-1-1 cloak banshee
2 port banshee
All depends on opponent's race, map and positions. I personally like 2 rax FE or cloaked banshees followed by tank viking play against Terrans, 4 rax MMM against Protoss and either 1-1-1 variants against Zerg.
Always 2 port banshee on Scrap Station. Wall off with rax, factory and starport. So much fun.
But if you want a standard build to practice, you can never go wrong with MMM with some mixture of tanks.
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Watch some replays of good Terran players and find ones you like
:P
Honestly though unless it's someone like Day9 who spends 45mins analyzing 1 replay for you, getting information 2nd hand is only going to be bad.
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I don't agree with this at all
Lol terran army composition? MMM
If you go MMM, you can get to diamond if your macro is good, guaranteed.
Got any replays? I could do some critical analysis if you would like I am not doing anything right now and always love to help =p
Then as I built more mans, he pushed when he got his second thor and ran all over me.
I probably should have only had two rax, with reactor, and probs my micro of my men was horrible, but I still feel as if his units were way better than mine.
See if he has two tanks at his ramp you shouldnt push up the ramp with just MMM, unless you have a shit ton of marauders. But even in TvT, if you just go MMM (heavy on the marauders I'd say), you should be able to probably get low diamond maybe plat, as long as you have solid macro.
no offense, that smells like a macro problem.
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This exact same thing happened to me the other day.
That is pretty hilarious
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I don't actually remember a time when you could let zerg do whatever they wanted.
but there is such a massive stretch from letting them do what they want to 2-rax all inning every game...
if you lose a bunch of units to sieged tanks probably whatever he pushes with can beat you.
it sounds like you just pushed into tanks which is never a good idea whether your macro is good or bad. marauders can do it if you have enough against few enough tanks. your own tanks can do it if you have better vision than he does.
if you can't, just let the tanks be where they be and go around them in some way.
Marines.
If your macro was up to speed, and i'm still questioning that, why didn't you scan his choke? why didn't you give some random marine a red shirt and send him in first. If he evaporates, pull back. Or pick up your army with that medivac, and drop his line.
Joe's Stream.
I sense another grunge match coming.
well those things really have nothing to do with macro
if your macro is up to speed you're not in bronze. I assume, like you, he knows that. so instead of re-re-re-re-reminding him, I'm gonna add the not macro note 'don't attack into sieged tanks'.
also I mentioned dropping ('go around them')
hahaha that was pretty awesome
Otherwise I'll try myself!
Oh my god. I am actually laughing IRL.
you're right, the suggestions to micro have nothing to do with macro. the fact that he's saying that "I still feel as if his units were way better than mine.", is an indication of a macro problem. He ran an MMM ball with 1 medivac into more than one sieged tanks. Yep, yer gonna lose that one.... And why didnt you produce anything out of the factory on the way to medivacs? Macro again. He pushes back with Thors and tanks and you feel like your units are weaker? Hrm, I wonder why that could be.
The only exception to the "don't attack sieged tanks on higher ground with ground units" is "take a handful of immortals, and an observer to spot and blow the effing tanks away".
But somehow, I have doubts that he would have had the money to pull off that protoss strat, either.
Joe's Stream.
Zerg Rush, are you still up for the posters initial graphics and fonts?
Klyka, let me PM you some amusing replays to pull footage from.
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I want this to happen.
Do we have to play in Seattle?
I'll take the grudge match. Lord knows that i don't get proper practice against bronze during custom games. Its all diamonds and plats, and somehow I end up getting mashed by the 2k+ diamonds constantly.
Joe's Stream.
i've been struggling with the FE zerg for a while. the only answer is pressure. expanding in response is an under 50% play for me.
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What are you looking for?
Pressure is pretty much the best counter to Zergs in every situtation.
I agree with this.
No pressure and they'll (probably) have an expo advantage, worker advantage, big army that can tech switch easily.
But if you at least make them work for their first expo it really slows things down.
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