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Who Needs COICA when you have Homeland Security

CasedOutCasedOut Registered User regular
edited November 2010 in Debate and/or Discourse
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/130763-homeland-security-dept-seizes-domain-names-

http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-seizes-bittorrent-search-engine-domain-and-more-101126/

Looks like Homeland Security has started seizing domains of known file sharing websites.

If you were to visit sites such as torrent-finder.com you would find this image

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This seems like it is out of homeland securitiy's jurisdiction to me. I am not surprised this is happening, but I do find it to be a bit frightening.

What do you guys think about this?

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  • MrVyngaardMrVyngaard Live From New Etoile Straight Outta SosariaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Looking at an update on the torrentfreak.com's posting on the issue:
    Update: Below is an longer list of domains that were apparently seized. Most of the sites relate to counterfeit goods. We assume that the authorities had a proper warrant for these sites (as they had for RapGodFathers yesterday), but were unable to confirm this.

    I'm not entirely sure that counterfeit goods are normally under Homeland Security's auspices, unless it was terrorism-funding related? Perhaps someone could clarify this.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    MrVyngaard wrote: »
    Looking at an update on the torrentfreak.com's posting on the issue:
    Update: Below is an longer list of domains that were apparently seized. Most of the sites relate to counterfeit goods. We assume that the authorities had a proper warrant for these sites (as they had for RapGodFathers yesterday), but were unable to confirm this.

    I'm not entirely sure that counterfeit goods are normally under Homeland Security's auspices, unless it was terrorism-funding related? Perhaps someone could clarify this.

    The easiest way to smuggle a nuclear weapon into this country is, of course, digitally. Every single pirated copy of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 smuggled into the US via bittorrent contains an infinite number of nuclear weapons, which makes this the jurisdiction of Homeland Security.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Homeland Security was given a huge mandate because it absorbed like 30 random agencies when it was formed, notably including FEMA and I think the Secret Service. It wouldn't shock me if whoever's responsible for enforcing copyrights is now under the most creepily named government agency in this country.

    And they're in fact definitely part of it, based on the Joint Strategic Plan on Intellectual Property (pdf) the White House published this year.

    Involved agencies: Agriculture (?), Commerce, HHS/FDA, Homeland Security, Justice, State, USTR, Library of Congress/Copyright Office.

    Go go organized government!

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  • MrVyngaardMrVyngaard Live From New Etoile Straight Outta SosariaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Homeland Security was given a huge mandate because it absorbed like 30 random agencies when it was formed, notably including FEMA and I think the Secret Service. It wouldn't shock me if whoever's responsible for enforcing copyrights is now under the most creepily named government agency in this country.

    And they're in fact definitely part of it, based on the Joint Strategic Plan on Intellectual Property (pdf) the White House published this year.

    Involved agencies: Agriculture (?), Commerce, HHS/FDA, Homeland Security, Justice, State, USTR, Library of Congress/Copyright Office.

    Go go organized government!

    Okay. Thanks for the clarification.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited November 2010
    Involved agencies: Agriculture (?)

    Oh, just like in the EU, where they sneak in copyright questions in the agriculture department's agenda to hide it from public debate.

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  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Echo wrote: »
    Involved agencies: Agriculture (?)

    Oh, just like in the EU, where they sneak in copyright questions in the agriculture department's agenda to hide it from public debate.

    Oh man, I remember this shit. I think they tried it a second time under something else, or was that another law?

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    If that linked wasn't working, it should be fixed now.

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  • twotimesadingotwotimesadingo Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    IPR and copyright items have historically been under the purview of Customs, and in 2003 (Homeland Security Act) Customs was subsumed by ICE. Ipso facto, ICE handles IPR stuff.

    Pretty easy to trace, actually. I suppose the only question would be why ICE, which is essentially the former offices of INS and Customs combined, went under DHS instead of, say, Treasury or the DOJ, as the former offices were. But anyway....

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  • Void SlayerVoid Slayer Very Suspicious Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    The agricultural one may also involve genetically engineered crops or breeds of animals, to protect all the DNA that does not count as expressions of nature.

    Basically if you grow a plant they engineered at some time in the past you owe that company money.

    Though I absolutely love the inappropriate meeting agendas hiding information from the public.

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  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    These domains were seized directly from ICANN, the US body that administers domains for the world, instead of the domain registrars like GoDaddy.

    There has been pressure in the past from the UN and others for the US to give up control of ICANN to an international entity like the UN.

    I'm sure this is going to be fuel for the fire on those debates.

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    These domains were seized directly from ICANN, the US body that administers domains for the world, instead of the domain registrars like GoDaddy.

    There has been pressure in the past from the UN and others for the US to give up control of ICANN to an international entity like the UN.

    I'm sure this is going to be fuel for the fire on those debates.

    I judge it more likely to be used as a precedent for allowing other countries to follow the same path, than to be used as an argument to wrestle ICANN out of US control . Decentralized DNS(which would then be branded "the internet for criminals" or similar) is a more likely next step.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited November 2010
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    There has been pressure in the past from the UN and others for the US to give up control of ICANN to an international entity like the UN.

    The internet is already starting to fragment thanks to this. Plenty of alternative DNS services popping up, where USA's forced changes don't mean shit.

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  • kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Echo wrote: »
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    There has been pressure in the past from the UN and others for the US to give up control of ICANN to an international entity like the UN.

    The internet is already starting to fragment thanks to this. Plenty of alternative DNS services popping up, where USA's forced changes don't mean shit.

    I cannot find any alternative roots that do not resolve back to ICANN's roots.

    There was grumbling about it years ago when the US wouldn't give up control over ICANN, but then everyone looked at what would be involved and went "man, fuck that"

    "I'll take the ability to resolve .france, but lose the ability to resolve .com, .net and .org? Man what?!"

    opennic and it's types sit a level below ICANN's roots on a hierarchy level. They will personally resolve .whateverthefuck, and pass unknowns back to ICANN because that's just the only way to make such a system not functionally cripple anyone using it.

    edit: this isn't to say that piracy oriented websites would not be better served by going to an opennic style solution and dropping themselves down a level of visibility as a result. But that would also make US government officials thrilled, because they'd just state in court that X accused of pirating things was using the alternative roots because they needed access to the pirate site.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited November 2010
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