The only problem with that? Jungling doesn't win games.
Yes it does, are you joking.
No, I am not.
I was speaking quite literally. Jungling alone does not directly lead to a end-game condition. That's what destroying the nexus is for.
And I'll rephrase myself - Warwick is not awful but he's certainly on the extreme end of the spectrum as far as end-game team players go. Let's see, he has
one ability that drains health on a single target (mediocre)
one ability that increases allies attack speed within a small radius (GREAT)
one ability that increases move speed when a champion is below half health within a very large radius (absolutely useless)
one ability with a three second stun which gives increased lifesteal to warwick (good)
Only Hunters Call is a really good ability for benefiting your team, and Infinite Duress for keeping a focused target pinned (admittedly this is very helpful for interrupting ults like Nunu's, for example).
Yes. Jungling is great. But jungling itself doesn't win you games. When your four team members are pushing mid 45 minutes in, you're not grabbing the golem buff on your own. You're up there with them.
Warwick has no CC and no escape tactics; when he's caught it's pretty much game over. As someone mentioned before, he's easily, easily countered with stuns. His only unique assets are his fast and safe jungling and his ability to gank and chase stragglers down.
I don't think you are grasping the concept of jungling, a team with a jungler against a team without a jungler has a big advantage
No, I grasp that just fine. But you aren't jungling in the end-game (with rare exceptions like the dragon when given the chance)...you have to run around with your team, right? You're certainly no good not helping your team, making team fights 4v5. I'm saying that in team fights, Warwick really doesn't do much to turn the tide. And in the end, it's those crucial teamfights which determine who loses their nexus.
Its like you are saying jungling doesn't help your time while at the same time you get that it does and that your point is that Warwick doesn't provide anything in team fights which I find ridiculous. I'm gonna leave the other part alone and go to Warwick.
How does he not turn the tide? He is an incredible initiator, Infinite Duress a carry and your whole team helps decimate, just turned it into a 4v5 and gave your team an attack speed buff. Warwick also just does a lot of damage and is hard to kill with the right build
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This Warwick kept trying to ult my teammate, as soon as he did, I stunned him out of it. Stopped his 3 gank attempts. I bet he was mad every darn time. Then we just whooped his butt afterwards.
Tried to gank Ryze. STUN. Ryze ults and I shatter him and he dies
Tried to gank Fortune during a team fight. STUN. Then our team melts him
I also LOVE seeing Warwick on the enemy team if I'm playing Jungle Rammus. I can powerball or taunt you out of your stun AND force you to kill yourself on me!
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
I saw this game for $20 at target so I picked it up, you got me Riot.
Use the riot point card that game with it on top of $10 more dollars to unlock another 20 champions. That way you have the original 40 that were out when the game came out. That leaves you with 24 more champions to work on unlocking!
You will get much, much better at the game if you play them all, too.
Like, lots much.
Knowing exactly how each hero works helps tremendously. It's one thing to see a good so and so kick butt, possibly your butt, but it's another entirely to play him and start trying to hate so and other to death because they're doing this thing that makes your life hell.
I saw this game for $20 at target so I picked it up, you got me Riot.
Use the riot point card that game with it on top of $10 more dollars to unlock another 20 champions. That way you have the original 40 that were out when the game came out. That leaves you with 24 more champions to work on unlocking!
It's $15 ($10 + $5 gets you exactly enough)
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OtakuD00DCan I hit the exploding rocks?San DiegoRegistered Userregular
I saw this game for $20 at target so I picked it up, you got me Riot.
Use the riot point card that game with it on top of $10 more dollars to unlock another 20 champions. That way you have the original 40 that were out when the game came out. That leaves you with 24 more champions to work on unlocking!
It was end game, we were powering in their base at the bottom, at their bottom inhibitor. I was top going in all alone. Out comes Vlad (who is their carry), try to stop me from coming in.
WRONG MOVE BUDDY!
I see him, go to the middle of the base to help my team, finally Vlad realizes that and tries to join in the team fight.
STUN NUMBER 1!! "Oh no, I cant get to my team!!"
STUN NUMBER 2!! Oh no, I AM ALMOST THERE, BUT GOT STUNNED AND NOW WE LOSE!!"
By that time his team was dead and then we focused him.
The only problem with that? Jungling doesn't win games.
Yes it does, are you joking.
No, I am not.
I was speaking quite literally. Jungling alone does not directly lead to a end-game condition. That's what destroying the nexus is for.
And I'll rephrase myself - Warwick is not awful but he's certainly on the extreme end of the spectrum as far as end-game team players go. Let's see, he has
one ability that drains health on a single target (mediocre)
one ability that increases allies attack speed within a small radius (GREAT)
one ability that increases move speed when a champion is below half health within a very large radius (absolutely useless)
one ability with a three second stun which gives increased lifesteal to warwick (good)
Only Hunters Call is a really good ability for benefiting your team, and Infinite Duress for keeping a focused target pinned (admittedly this is very helpful for interrupting ults like Nunu's, for example).
Yes. Jungling is great. But jungling itself doesn't win you games. When your four team members are pushing mid 45 minutes in, you're not grabbing the golem buff on your own. You're up there with them.
Warwick has no CC and no escape tactics; when he's caught it's pretty much game over. As someone mentioned before, he's easily, easily countered with stuns. His only unique assets are his fast and safe jungling and his ability to gank and chase stragglers down.
I don't think you are grasping the concept of jungling, a team with a jungler against a team without a jungler has a big advantage
No, I grasp that just fine. But you aren't jungling in the end-game (with rare exceptions like the dragon when given the chance)...you have to run around with your team, right? You're certainly no good not helping your team, making team fights 4v5. I'm saying that in team fights, Warwick really doesn't do much to turn the tide. And in the end, it's those crucial teamfights which determine who loses their nexus.
Its like you are saying jungling doesn't help your time while at the same time you get that it does and that your point is that Warwick doesn't provide anything in team fights which I find ridiculous. I'm gonna leave the other part alone and go to Warwick.
How does he not turn the tide? He is an incredible initiator, Infinite Duress a carry and your whole team helps decimate, just turned it into a 4v5 and gave your team an attack speed buff. Warwick also just does a lot of damage and is hard to kill with the right build
Maybe I am just a poor Warwick.
The point is that in team fights he is easily, easily dispatched (edit: by a team that knows what they're doing). I'm not saying that Warwick needs to be buffed, I'm just saying that I don't understand what it is about him that needs to be nerfed. If he's too good a jungler (as some people have claimed), are we going to nerf his lifesteal? Is he too good a ganker; are we going to nerf his Blood Scent? I just don't quite get what about him is overpowered.
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Zen VulgarityWhat a lovely day for teaSecret British ThreadRegistered Userregular
edited November 2010
I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS FUCKING GAME RIGHT HERE AND I WILL RESPOND TO ALL YOUR POSTS IN A SNIDE MANNER
If the enemy team focuses Warwick, they're not focusing the carry. And seeing as the carry should be killing them right about then, that's great! Although he may be a very silly Warwick if he's not built to take it and puts himself in that position anyway.
But really, Warwick has the ability to intercept and hold heroes that are out of position or unaware. That's his thing. It's devastating if applied properly. A warded jungle is all it takes for a team to happily toddle along after their furry friend to turn the potential 5v5 into a 5v4, and proceed to roll down a lane and murder everything to death.
Warwick is love!
And hate.
Mostly love though.
Possibly the creepy sort of love.
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Zen VulgarityWhat a lovely day for teaSecret British ThreadRegistered Userregular
edited November 2010
There are no absolutes in this game.
No one here knows everything.
New shit is being figured out about heroes and team compositions all the time.
Can everyone stop fucking acting like it whenever any conversation comes up.
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eeSanGI slice like a goddamn hammer.Registered Userregular
edited November 2010
People need to stop autoattacking in lanes and healers need to stop healing the tanks first. gorram.
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New shit is being figured out about heroes and team compositions all the time.
Can everyone stop fucking acting like it whenever any conversation comes up.
Urgot sucks.
OMG WTF Urgot is the best! You just don't know how to build him!
Clearly you haven't played the hundreds of games that I have as Urgot where I steamrolled the entire enemy team 1v5 and then baked cookies and stole their women.
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One of the guys we play with regularly always used Kassadin and we gave him a lot of shit for it. So he decides to change characters because we give him so much flak and the dumb bastard picks Urgot.
(To be fair, he's actually been doing fairly good as Urgot)
I don't think people have found the optimal build for Eve yet, with the ult remake people are trying out AD builds and straying away from the Sunfire Cape or AP stacking builds
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and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
is it bad that evelynn sounds like a lot of fun to play, ganking dudes and whatnot?
I heard she's not so great but I dunno
In theory she is great. But then someone on the enemy team gets an Oracles and they blow her up every time she tries to walk up to someone and hurt them.
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Eve, out of every hero in the league, has the worst reputation.
Rock. Bottom.
But she can perform quite well. Expect to be blamed for everything even if you're counter jungling like a boss and constantly killing squishies like it ain't no thang, mind.
Eve is always at fault. Always. It's just how it is.
If you want to be hilarious, find the damage values for smite per level and steal the enemy blue/red/dragon constantly. Lots of folks don't pay close enough attention to the numbers. You can make them pay for that.
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Its like you are saying jungling doesn't help your time while at the same time you get that it does and that your point is that Warwick doesn't provide anything in team fights which I find ridiculous. I'm gonna leave the other part alone and go to Warwick.
How does he not turn the tide? He is an incredible initiator, Infinite Duress a carry and your whole team helps decimate, just turned it into a 4v5 and gave your team an attack speed buff. Warwick also just does a lot of damage and is hard to kill with the right build
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
I also LOVE seeing Warwick on the enemy team if I'm playing Jungle Rammus. I can powerball or taunt you out of your stun AND force you to kill yourself on me!
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no
because she never was
I remember when black shield also acted as a cleanse for her target's current CC effects!
Oh wait, "underpowered", not "even more overpowered than she is now".
Quite right, that never happened.
Use the riot point card that game with it on top of $10 more dollars to unlock another 20 champions. That way you have the original 40 that were out when the game came out. That leaves you with 24 more champions to work on unlocking!
Like, lots much.
Knowing exactly how each hero works helps tremendously. It's one thing to see a good so and so kick butt, possibly your butt, but it's another entirely to play him and start trying to hate so and other to death because they're doing this thing that makes your life hell.
It's $15 ($10 + $5 gets you exactly enough)
Oh. My bad. Could've sworn it was more than that.
It was end game, we were powering in their base at the bottom, at their bottom inhibitor. I was top going in all alone. Out comes Vlad (who is their carry), try to stop me from coming in.
WRONG MOVE BUDDY!
I see him, go to the middle of the base to help my team, finally Vlad realizes that and tries to join in the team fight.
STUN NUMBER 1!! "Oh no, I cant get to my team!!"
STUN NUMBER 2!! Oh no, I AM ALMOST THERE, BUT GOT STUNNED AND NOW WE LOSE!!"
By that time his team was dead and then we focused him.
Go go Taric!!
GEMS ARE FABULOUS!
I remember once I had a game with Rammus(me), Galio, Sion, Taric, and a MF.
So many lulz were had during team fights .. 'taunt, stun, stun, mass taunt, mf ult, gg'
Taric wears dem stunna shades
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
i will never, ever get tired of harassing a person til they have 150 health left at mid then arrowing them while they run
Maybe I am just a poor Warwick.
The point is that in team fights he is easily, easily dispatched (edit: by a team that knows what they're doing). I'm not saying that Warwick needs to be buffed, I'm just saying that I don't understand what it is about him that needs to be nerfed. If he's too good a jungler (as some people have claimed), are we going to nerf his lifesteal? Is he too good a ganker; are we going to nerf his Blood Scent? I just don't quite get what about him is overpowered.
But really, Warwick has the ability to intercept and hold heroes that are out of position or unaware. That's his thing. It's devastating if applied properly. A warded jungle is all it takes for a team to happily toddle along after their furry friend to turn the potential 5v5 into a 5v4, and proceed to roll down a lane and murder everything to death.
Warwick is love!
And hate.
Mostly love though.
Possibly the creepy sort of love.
No one here knows everything.
New shit is being figured out about heroes and team compositions all the time.
Can everyone stop fucking acting like it whenever any conversation comes up.
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I AM THE TEETH IN THE DARKNESS
The talons in the night! My name is strength! And lust! And power!
I
AM
BEOWULF
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Urgot sucks.
Where is your god now, Zen?
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
OMG WTF Urgot is the best! You just don't know how to build him!
Clearly you haven't played the hundreds of games that I have as Urgot where I steamrolled the entire enemy team 1v5 and then baked cookies and stole their women.
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ok
this is absolutely true
(To be fair, he's actually been doing fairly good as Urgot)
but im teh best + knows everything??
I heard she's not so great but I dunno
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
In theory she is great. But then someone on the enemy team gets an Oracles and they blow her up every time she tries to walk up to someone and hurt them.
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Rock. Bottom.
But she can perform quite well. Expect to be blamed for everything even if you're counter jungling like a boss and constantly killing squishies like it ain't no thang, mind.
Eve is always at fault. Always. It's just how it is.
and who doesn't want to look classy when evicerating squishies
If you want to be hilarious, find the damage values for smite per level and steal the enemy blue/red/dragon constantly. Lots of folks don't pay close enough attention to the numbers. You can make them pay for that.