I think I may have hit the breaking point for me. I'm at the Hetzer and getting about 300xp a round. I have 10k to go before I unlock my beloved StuG. I dont think I can do it
I think I may have hit the breaking point for me. I'm at the Hetzer and getting about 300xp a round. I have 10k to go before I unlock my beloved StuG. I dont think I can do it
33 games. Its not so bad.
Just play, die as hetzers do(Hetzers gonna hetz), and then play something fun. I started leveling up artillery while waiting for my hetzer to be ready to grind, again.
But yeah, hetzer grind is the worst thing ever. At least in my jagdpanzer4, the 88 murdurates things decently.
I havent had a single kill with it yet, everything bounces off! I'm tempted to take the StuH upgrade for it, but thats another five games to my total. I really, really hope the StuG is better.
What do you mean "ready to grind, again"? Am I missing something important?
Its my understanding that shots do indeed follow atleast a basic physics model, however the gun itself compensates for you, so all you have to do is point the crosshair at the target. Quite how this differs from a 'shells go in a straight line regardless' system, I have no idea.
As for 'ready to grind again', Raslin means play with your Hetzer until you die, then hit Esc, End Battle and go play with a different tank until the Hetzer's battle is over, then fix it up and repeat.
I havent had a single kill with it yet, everything bounces off! I'm tempted to take the StuH upgrade for it, but thats another five games to my total. I really, really hope the StuG is better.
What do you mean "ready to grind, again"? Am I missing something important?
After the Hetzer grind, the StuG is teh sex. Really, especially once you stick the better tracks and engine on the StuG, it feels like a race car in comparison.
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edited December 2010
Nearly much every branch in every tree has this one tank that is absolute hell to get through.
Russians have the KV, the T-28, SU-85B, and that one SPG that comes after the one with the turret but is inferior to it.
Germans have the Hetzer, and the PZIII Ausf. A.
Americans have the M3 Lee and a good portion of the heavy tree.
Nearly much every branch in every tree has this one tank that is absolute hell to get through.
Russians have the KV, the T-28, SU-85B, and that one SPG that comes after the one with the turret but is inferior to it.
Germans have the Hetzer, and the PZIII Ausf. A.
Americans have the M3 Lee and a good portion of the heavy tree.
The M37 and M7 SPGs are pretty bad until you unlock/install their upgraded guns. The grind on SPGs kind of sucks too because you pretty much always stay alive until near the end of the round - most people can probably play 2 matches in tanks or TDs in the time it takes me to play 1 SPG match.
Am... am I supposed to hate this tank? It's fucking awesome. Huge speed increase from the Panzer 2, single-shell instead of burst-fire gun, and pretty damn decent backwards speed (which saved my ass on the most recent round and won it for my team as I went back and forth on the cap to avoid dying and grabbed the Invader war hero status). Turning speed sucks, but it's not hard to account for. Armour kinda sucks, but it's made up for with the aforementioned speed.
Plus, it's kinda nice to loom over all the widdle other tanks in matches.
Am... am I supposed to hate this tank? It's fucking awesome. Huge speed increase from the Panzer 2, single-shell instead of burst-fire gun, and pretty damn decent backwards speed (which saved my ass on the most recent round and won it for my team as I went back and forth on the cap to avoid dying and grabbed the Invader war hero status). Turning speed sucks, but it's not hard to account for. Armour kinda sucks, but it's made up for with the aforementioned speed.
Plus, it's kinda nice to loom over all the widdle other tanks in matches.
The problem with Ausf A. is that at least when I had it, the game pitted me regularly against tanks at least one or two tiers above me. Since Ausf A. is made of paper, this is a very bad thing. I can count the battles I fought in my tier or against tanks below me with the fingers of one hand.
The matchmaking seems to count Ausf A. as a proper PzIII, which mind you, doesn't have a stunning armor to begin with. This can make matches very difficult.
Actually I think that was more under the old system, there their were matches of tier 2 and lower only, then everyone else together. So tier 3s were murder. Now I think most tier threes can be matched aginst tier 5 or so at most. Which makes things better.
Its the tanks that the devs have blessed with the "scout" exception to matchmaking that get screwed now. So Leo, pz3, a-20, m5 lee. Those should only be matched with tier 5-6 max with the new system, but since the devs have this crazy idea that light tanks can do something other than die/cower in a corner in a match with tier 9-10s, they get put in those games usually. Faster heavies/any medium are better scouts than lights in those games though, better view range and can take more than 1 hit. Actually the best job of scouting I have ever seen in a game was by a T20.
In case you havent noticed, we are all getting 500 gold per day until Jan 2nd! I wasted 700 gold when I first started, so now I have another chance to save up for a month of premium.
Are any of the tanks that require gold to purchase worth bothering with? Some of them look interesting.
And Synthesis....you're going to hate life when you get the Hetzer. I'm less than halfway to the StuG, and my Hetzer is fully upgraded. Such a horrible, horrible tank.
I don't think I'm going for any of the optional upgrades on the Hetzer, given that I'm about 2/3 of the way through the T-34 research upgrade.
Premium is nice. Sometimes, experience still sucks--sometimes I get 447 experience, sometimes I get 37, for what is essentially the same match as far as I can tell--but the money output is good. Plus, the new hangar is swanky.
I won't miss my A-20....I'm already getting matched against Maus and IS-7 tanks, so it is literally not possible for me to be any less prepared for a match. Though I will miss how every time I fire the 76 mm cannon, the thing comically shakes so much it practically rolls.
Honestly, besides money and shells, there's not much else to spend Gold on. Useless tanks?
The 56 mm has got great penetration, but it's got significantly lower damage (and given that I'm regularly matched against tanks I need to make 7 or 8 penetrating shots with a 76 mm gun to knock out, that's a pretty serious goddamn problem).
Plus, it's on the wrong side of the tech tree, since I'm interested in the T-34-85 and the T-43. Just my personal goal on the Soviet tech tree.
Getting a 100% crew with a new tank is the only other thing I spend gold on.
The 57mm makes up for low damage by firing very quickly and accurately. I think it does more overall DPS than the bigger guns, but I haven't done the math. The penetration is nice for actually hurting enemy tanks, though. You'll get to play with bigger guns when you get the T-34-85 and beyond with the idiot gun.
Before the warp fix, the 57mm was the only gun for the t34. Rapid fire, good penetration, and good accuracy on the move. Now, I can see using the good 76mm. Between the warp fix and how easy it is to track people now, the playstyle that made the 57mm good is dead. Even when you rarely get a tier5 and down match you get tracked too much to play run and gun. So just sitting back and trying to snipe with the 76 looks better. But, I am avoiding tier 5-6 tanks now, excepting the stug/m4 fo now, for tier 3-4s and tier 7+. Those two levels you usually get matched with things you can have a chance to kill. Tier 5-6 matchmaking just screws you too often.
And you should get a month of premium first with your gold. Premium tanks are good money makers and can be fun, I have a Matilda. Just all of them lack in some area compared to other tanks, for example Matilda has good armor and an ok gun for its tier, but its slow as hell compared to anything but a KV (which gets way better guns).
The rate of fire is noticeably faster than the 76 mm on the side of the tech tree leading to the T-34-85. At the same time, the 76 mm S-54 has nearly as good penetration (109/156/39 versus 112/189/29) and does significantly more damage. Plus, it gets you the T-34-85 ultimately.
Of course, the draw back is that it's expensive as hell in research points.
I don't think I'm going for any of the optional upgrades on the Hetzer, given that I'm about 2/3 of the way through the T-34 research upgrade.
I figured they would make the grind less painful, at least getting the StuH upgrade so I could use Explosive ammo to great effect. Sadly, this has not been the case at all. I'll fire off one or two rounds of HE with no damage or modules knocked out and switch to AP and try to ding a few health off. Most of the time I can at least get a percet or two off of the tier 9-10's that I get matched up with. It's sad when even the slowest tanks are too fast for me to track with the horrible firing arc the hetzer has
I don't think I'm going for any of the optional upgrades on the Hetzer, given that I'm about 2/3 of the way through the T-34 research upgrade.
I figured they would make the grind less painful, at least getting the StuH upgrade so I could use Explosive ammo to great effect. Sadly, this has not been the case at all. I'll fire off one or two rounds of HE with no damage or modules knocked out and switch to AP and try to ding a few health off. Most of the time I can at least get a percet or two off of the tier 9-10's that I get matched up with. It's sad when even the slowest tanks are too fast for me to track with the horrible firing arc the hetzer has
Thanks for the insight. Sometimes it's best really just to tear through an upgrade path as fast and with as little pain as possible.
Indeed, there are no redeeming qualities to the Hetzer that I've noticed. Power through it and get the StuG, thats what I'm doing as we speak =[
EDIT: Blew some gold on upgraded armor piercing ammo. Took out a Leapoard in one lucky shot. Then I took 20% Hp off of a Panzer III! Thats the best I've ever done in a Hetzer. Only wasted 10 gold for one kill and 20% damage on a shit tier tank! Go Hetzer!
The MS-1 can get a pretty good gun for a starter tank, enough to make you dangerous. Its fun to have people in tier 2 tanks roll right up to you thinking "lol starter tank" then get blasted to bits.
I found it easiest to try and stay in packs of bigger tanks at the start, and try to get off potshots when I could. You're unlikely to pop many/any (I popped a whole one tank while using the Leichttraktor), but the other tanks will finish them off if you can only dent them.
Also with regards to matchmaking, it seems my lucky streak has ended. It's pretty deflating to line up a great shot, fire, and have it dink off harmlessly before being killed in one shot from the front. So far I've begun to depend utterly on my team, where I'll race to the enemy capture point, hold it as long as I can and detect any tanks guarding it, and hope to hell that my team can get there in time to save me (which is almost never, but the detection point at least count for something).
I'm just hoping the T-34 doesn't spell doom for me. As it stands, I've already faced an enemy team with no less than two Maus tanks and several IS-3 and IS-7 tanks backing them up. It's hard to imagine it gets much worse than having to dodge shots from Jagdpanthers and Tiger IIs in a goddamn light tank. And even when the heavy tanks aren't as bad, I'm pretty much useless if more than two tanks on the enemy team decide to camp.
But, this is WoT. They've consistently surprised me in the past.
The T-34 is a good tank, but when it comes to Mediums I cannot stand the T-34-85. Most of the time it feels like I'm driving a KV again. The only way to every actually get past 35 km/h on that thing is by climbing up a big hill(taking 20 seconds) and then going straight on flat ground with no more rises
In light of the continued gold advances, and already being on premium, I decided to splurge and get a decent crew this time with my new T-34.
Got one kill in my first match....got a little too careless, and got killed, though I was close to getting a second (damn, I wish this game gave you credit for doing damage--I'm assuming it doesn't), but so far, I'm pretty optimistic.
Also, unfortunately, I agree with lostprophet. I haven't bothered grinding up to the T-43 yet due to how much I dislike the T-34-85. It isn't terrible, just disappointing. As mediums go, I prefer the VK3601H.
Yeah, the T-34-85 is the reason I've stopped working on Soviet mediums and instead got the Panther. The panther and DB are both awesome, and I actually don't mind the 3001(P); it's got a hefty gun at a decent tier.
I'm now experiencing the horror that is the KV, since I wanted the IS's. I'm just so spoiled by the 3601H / Tiger that this KV thing is really painful. So far I have the tracks, engine and turret, but neither of the two big guns. (does anyone ever use the 2 rounds per minute gun? it looks terrible. Good if you can snipe and dodge, maybe? But the shoot & scoot style seems way better suited to a Panther than a heavy tank. Ugh. And it doesn't help that the crappy turret is the one that looks less awful.
Using every single HE shell I had loaded I managed to get an IS-3 down to 24% by dodging it around buildings and stuff. Even bounced 2 or 3 of his shells. It was awesome.
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edited December 2010
the tier 2 premium tanks are fun as hell.
The Hotchkiss in particular is pretty much invincible.
I rarely see anyone in a KV not using the big derpgun that is the 152mm. Sure, its slow as hell, and if anything gets near you, you're seriously screwed thanks to slow fire rate and turret traverse, but sitting back from a distance, you can lay down serious hurt, even to tier 9s.
Alas, the big box KV-2 turret turns you into a bullet magnet, as pretty much anything it goes up against can guarantee a penetration on it.
The KV is a bullet magnet no matter what turret it's using. This goes for the KV-3, too. Just about the only things that will attract more attention than those are Leopards and Churchills.
So, it looks like a new patch is getting rolled out today.
Built-in voice-chat is probably going to have...unintended consequences. The new Kamikaze medal (for destroying enemies by crashing into them), however, is going to be glorious. Oh, and we're getting new medium tanks and SPGs.
On the advice of this thread, I bought myself a Hotchkiss. Dear god, that thing is glorious. If I don't walk out of a battle with four kills, it was a bad match. Bouncing those stupid autocannon rounds is also the best thing.
As it stands, using that tank alone i've researched a Leopard and up to the A-20. Should of kep the exp though, as i'd of nearly finished off researching my Panther at this rate.
Yeah, the T-34-85 is the reason I've stopped working on Soviet mediums and instead got the Panther. The panther and DB are both awesome, and I actually don't mind the 3001(P); it's got a hefty gun at a decent tier.
I'm now experiencing the horror that is the KV, since I wanted the IS's. I'm just so spoiled by the 3601H / Tiger that this KV thing is really painful. So far I have the tracks, engine and turret, but neither of the two big guns. (does anyone ever use the 2 rounds per minute gun? it looks terrible. Good if you can snipe and dodge, maybe? But the shoot & scoot style seems way better suited to a Panther than a heavy tank. Ugh. And it doesn't help that the crappy turret is the one that looks less awful.
I started the game as a German Heavy driver, and then I made it to my KT and don't want the Ausf B or the Maus. I thought the KV was a crap tank, but it's actually really good once you learn to use it. As you're leveling up I recommend using the 122mm gun. It's a great gun for most situations. Of course don't use the second turret until you get the 152 or 107. I actually unlocked those last because I liked the 122 so much. Normally I use the 152 just because I like using the derpgun. If I'm the highest tank in the match I get 3 kills with it easy, and if I'm with IS-3's I can take off a good chunk of their health
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33 games. Its not so bad.
Just play, die as hetzers do(Hetzers gonna hetz), and then play something fun. I started leveling up artillery while waiting for my hetzer to be ready to grind, again.
But yeah, hetzer grind is the worst thing ever. At least in my jagdpanzer4, the 88 murdurates things decently.
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What do you mean "ready to grind, again"? Am I missing something important?
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As for 'ready to grind again', Raslin means play with your Hetzer until you die, then hit Esc, End Battle and go play with a different tank until the Hetzer's battle is over, then fix it up and repeat.
EDIT: Beaten like a dog.
After the Hetzer grind, the StuG is teh sex. Really, especially once you stick the better tracks and engine on the StuG, it feels like a race car in comparison.
Russians have the KV, the T-28, SU-85B, and that one SPG that comes after the one with the turret but is inferior to it.
Germans have the Hetzer, and the PZIII Ausf. A.
Americans have the M3 Lee and a good portion of the heavy tree.
The M37 and M7 SPGs are pretty bad until you unlock/install their upgraded guns. The grind on SPGs kind of sucks too because you pretty much always stay alive until near the end of the round - most people can probably play 2 matches in tanks or TDs in the time it takes me to play 1 SPG match.
Incidentally, once you get 2,500 G, should you go directly and get the month pf premium?
EDIT: I'm a bit past half-way through the research upgrade for the Hetzer, and I am really not looking forward to it.
Am... am I supposed to hate this tank? It's fucking awesome. Huge speed increase from the Panzer 2, single-shell instead of burst-fire gun, and pretty damn decent backwards speed (which saved my ass on the most recent round and won it for my team as I went back and forth on the cap to avoid dying and grabbed the Invader war hero status). Turning speed sucks, but it's not hard to account for. Armour kinda sucks, but it's made up for with the aforementioned speed.
Plus, it's kinda nice to loom over all the widdle other tanks in matches.
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The problem with Ausf A. is that at least when I had it, the game pitted me regularly against tanks at least one or two tiers above me. Since Ausf A. is made of paper, this is a very bad thing. I can count the battles I fought in my tier or against tanks below me with the fingers of one hand.
The matchmaking seems to count Ausf A. as a proper PzIII, which mind you, doesn't have a stunning armor to begin with. This can make matches very difficult.
Mostly it seems that you've been lucky.
Its the tanks that the devs have blessed with the "scout" exception to matchmaking that get screwed now. So Leo, pz3, a-20, m5 lee. Those should only be matched with tier 5-6 max with the new system, but since the devs have this crazy idea that light tanks can do something other than die/cower in a corner in a match with tier 9-10s, they get put in those games usually. Faster heavies/any medium are better scouts than lights in those games though, better view range and can take more than 1 hit. Actually the best job of scouting I have ever seen in a game was by a T20.
Are any of the tanks that require gold to purchase worth bothering with? Some of them look interesting.
And Synthesis....you're going to hate life when you get the Hetzer. I'm less than halfway to the StuG, and my Hetzer is fully upgraded. Such a horrible, horrible tank.
Premium is nice. Sometimes, experience still sucks--sometimes I get 447 experience, sometimes I get 37, for what is essentially the same match as far as I can tell--but the money output is good. Plus, the new hangar is swanky.
I won't miss my A-20....I'm already getting matched against Maus and IS-7 tanks, so it is literally not possible for me to be any less prepared for a match. Though I will miss how every time I fire the 76 mm cannon, the thing comically shakes so much it practically rolls.
Don't bother with the 76mm once you get the T-34, the 57mm is the one you'll be wanting.
The 56 mm has got great penetration, but it's got significantly lower damage (and given that I'm regularly matched against tanks I need to make 7 or 8 penetrating shots with a 76 mm gun to knock out, that's a pretty serious goddamn problem).
Plus, it's on the wrong side of the tech tree, since I'm interested in the T-34-85 and the T-43. Just my personal goal on the Soviet tech tree.
The 57mm makes up for low damage by firing very quickly and accurately. I think it does more overall DPS than the bigger guns, but I haven't done the math. The penetration is nice for actually hurting enemy tanks, though. You'll get to play with bigger guns when you get the T-34-85 and beyond with the idiot gun.
And you should get a month of premium first with your gold. Premium tanks are good money makers and can be fun, I have a Matilda. Just all of them lack in some area compared to other tanks, for example Matilda has good armor and an ok gun for its tier, but its slow as hell compared to anything but a KV (which gets way better guns).
Of course, the draw back is that it's expensive as hell in research points.
I figured they would make the grind less painful, at least getting the StuH upgrade so I could use Explosive ammo to great effect. Sadly, this has not been the case at all. I'll fire off one or two rounds of HE with no damage or modules knocked out and switch to AP and try to ding a few health off. Most of the time I can at least get a percet or two off of the tier 9-10's that I get matched up with. It's sad when even the slowest tanks are too fast for me to track with the horrible firing arc the hetzer has
Thanks for the insight. Sometimes it's best really just to tear through an upgrade path as fast and with as little pain as possible.
EDIT: Blew some gold on upgraded armor piercing ammo. Took out a Leapoard in one lucky shot. Then I took 20% Hp off of a Panzer III! Thats the best I've ever done in a Hetzer. Only wasted 10 gold for one kill and 20% damage on a shit tier tank! Go Hetzer!
Also with regards to matchmaking, it seems my lucky streak has ended. It's pretty deflating to line up a great shot, fire, and have it dink off harmlessly before being killed in one shot from the front. So far I've begun to depend utterly on my team, where I'll race to the enemy capture point, hold it as long as I can and detect any tanks guarding it, and hope to hell that my team can get there in time to save me (which is almost never, but the detection point at least count for something).
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But, this is WoT. They've consistently surprised me in the past.
Check out the Penny Arcade World of Tanks thread to join us in some fun times.
Got one kill in my first match....got a little too careless, and got killed, though I was close to getting a second (damn, I wish this game gave you credit for doing damage--I'm assuming it doesn't), but so far, I'm pretty optimistic.
Also, unfortunately, I agree with lostprophet. I haven't bothered grinding up to the T-43 yet due to how much I dislike the T-34-85. It isn't terrible, just disappointing. As mediums go, I prefer the VK3601H.
I'm now experiencing the horror that is the KV, since I wanted the IS's. I'm just so spoiled by the 3601H / Tiger that this KV thing is really painful. So far I have the tracks, engine and turret, but neither of the two big guns. (does anyone ever use the 2 rounds per minute gun? it looks terrible. Good if you can snipe and dodge, maybe? But the shoot & scoot style seems way better suited to a Panther than a heavy tank. Ugh. And it doesn't help that the crappy turret is the one that looks less awful.
Using every single HE shell I had loaded I managed to get an IS-3 down to 24% by dodging it around buildings and stuff. Even bounced 2 or 3 of his shells. It was awesome.
The Hotchkiss in particular is pretty much invincible.
Alas, the big box KV-2 turret turns you into a bullet magnet, as pretty much anything it goes up against can guarantee a penetration on it.
/is sore about the KV not using any lube, again, for the third time tonight
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Built-in voice-chat is probably going to have...unintended consequences. The new Kamikaze medal (for destroying enemies by crashing into them), however, is going to be glorious. Oh, and we're getting new medium tanks and SPGs.
As it stands, using that tank alone i've researched a Leopard and up to the A-20. Should of kep the exp though, as i'd of nearly finished off researching my Panther at this rate.
I started the game as a German Heavy driver, and then I made it to my KT and don't want the Ausf B or the Maus. I thought the KV was a crap tank, but it's actually really good once you learn to use it. As you're leveling up I recommend using the 122mm gun. It's a great gun for most situations. Of course don't use the second turret until you get the 152 or 107. I actually unlocked those last because I liked the 122 so much. Normally I use the 152 just because I like using the derpgun. If I'm the highest tank in the match I get 3 kills with it easy, and if I'm with IS-3's I can take off a good chunk of their health
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Solution: Back into the fucking thing and jam yourself against it until it goes boom.
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