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  • ebotasticebotastic Going Gonzo In People's HeartsRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    Ramius wrote: »
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    Hitting things with hammers is a vital part of server maintenance.

    True story.

    i've fixed a 2 radios and a TV by hitting them with a hammer.

    I suspect your psyche has been tainted by operant conditioning under a variable ratio reinforcement schedule.

    (recognizing the power and prevalence of this phenomenon is about the only valuable thing I learned in high-school psychology)

    Why yes, I do indeed like bacon.
    I have no clue what you said

    I believe he's talking about confirmation bias, Buttcleft.

    I am also amazed that you weren't responsible for the forums being down.

    ebotastic on
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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Hey Alpha

    You rawk

    Hey Ramius

    You too

    joshofalltrades on
  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited December 2010
    I don't think I'm getting enough credit for the dilligent support work I did by emailing the code admins pictures of me playing in the snow.

    Tube on
  • SeñorAmorSeñorAmor !!! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I don't think I'm getting enough credit for the dilligent support work I did by emailing the code admins pictures of me playing in the snow.

    Sounds like someone's having stepdaddy issues. :)

    SeñorAmor on
  • RamiusRamius Joined: July 19, 2000 Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited December 2010
    ebotastic wrote: »
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    Ramius wrote: »
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    Hitting things with hammers is a vital part of server maintenance.

    True story.

    i've fixed a 2 radios and a TV by hitting them with a hammer.

    I suspect your psyche has been tainted by operant conditioning under a variable ratio reinforcement schedule.

    (recognizing the power and prevalence of this phenomenon is about the only valuable thing I learned in high-school psychology)

    Why yes, I do indeed like bacon.
    I have no clue what you said

    I believe he's talking about confirmation bias, Buttcleft.

    I am also amazed that you weren't responsible for the forums being down.

    no, confirmation bias is something slightly different. What I'm talking about is more along the lines of how casinos make buckets of money from slot machines, or professional athletes have weird superstitious behaviors. Operant conditioning is the effect of expecting outcome "y" when you do "x", generally because at some time in the past, "y" has occurred after doing "x".

    Even if doing "x" frequently does NOT lead to "y", a person will come to believe the doing "x" is a "tried and true" method of acheiving "y". This belief becomes even more powerful the less the subject understands the connection between x and y and where the frequency with which x leads to y is unpredictable.

    Ramius on
  • Shorn Scrotum ManShorn Scrotum Man Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Much love for you guys who worked hard to get things back up and running. You guys are the best!

    Shorn Scrotum Man on
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  • RandomHajileRandomHajile Not actually a Snatcher The New KremlinRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Just wanted to add the gratitude of a habitual lurker here. Thanks to all of the people (Alpha, Ramius, Tube, all the Mods, the community, and of course Jerry/Mike/Khoo) who make this a great place for our kind.


    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    Thanks guys, I really didn't think the forums would be up so quick.

    I do have a small request/question that came to mind when I saw your long term fix plan.

    I was wondering if the new launch of the forums would mean that the forums are no longer blocked by websense? and if not, would it be possible to change whatever needs to be changed to make them unblocked when you do the new launch?

    I am a web filter admin, and while we don't use WebSense, most category-based web filters are based primarily on the content available on a domain name and its associated IP addresses. The best case scenario is that the new forums will be on a new subdomain (like community.penny-arcade.com or something), but once WebSense decides that the content is "mature" or whatnot, it will very likely blocked for you again. PA could appeal to WebSense to get its category changed, but they'd have to heavily censor topics and such....I don't think anyone would like that.

    RandomHajile on
  • LindenLinden Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Ramius wrote: »
    Even if doing "x" frequently does NOT lead to "y", a person will come to believe the doing "x" is a "tried and true" method of acheiving "y". This belief becomes even more powerful the less the subject understands the connection between x and y and where the frequency with which x leads to y is unpredictable.

    If anyone happens to be interested, there's an overview somewhere in this lecture course. Quite early on, if I recall correctly, but hey.

    Thanks for the details on the issue, Alpha – looks like a perfect storm moment with the hard drive, too.

    Linden on
  • HellaJeffHellaJeff FAB FRESH RAIIINBOOWWWWWRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Thanks Alpha and team!

    HellaJeff on
  • streeverstreever Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Just wanted to add the gratitude of a habitual lurker here. Thanks to all of the people (Alpha, Ramius, Tube, all the Mods, the community, and of course Jerry/Mike/Khoo) who make this a great place for our kind.


    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    Thanks guys, I really didn't think the forums would be up so quick.

    I do have a small request/question that came to mind when I saw your long term fix plan.

    I was wondering if the new launch of the forums would mean that the forums are no longer blocked by websense? and if not, would it be possible to change whatever needs to be changed to make them unblocked when you do the new launch?

    I am a web filter admin, and while we don't use WebSense, most category-based web filters are based primarily on the content available on a domain name and its associated IP addresses. The best case scenario is that the new forums will be on a new subdomain (like community.penny-arcade.com or something), but once WebSense decides that the content is "mature" or whatnot, it will very likely blocked for you again. PA could appeal to WebSense to get its category changed, but they'd have to heavily censor topics and such....I don't think anyone would like that.

    I think it is currently categorized as "games"

    streever on
  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    streever wrote: »
    Just wanted to add the gratitude of a habitual lurker here. Thanks to all of the people (Alpha, Ramius, Tube, all the Mods, the community, and of course Jerry/Mike/Khoo) who make this a great place for our kind.


    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    Thanks guys, I really didn't think the forums would be up so quick.

    I do have a small request/question that came to mind when I saw your long term fix plan.

    I was wondering if the new launch of the forums would mean that the forums are no longer blocked by websense? and if not, would it be possible to change whatever needs to be changed to make them unblocked when you do the new launch?

    I am a web filter admin, and while we don't use WebSense, most category-based web filters are based primarily on the content available on a domain name and its associated IP addresses. The best case scenario is that the new forums will be on a new subdomain (like community.penny-arcade.com or something), but once WebSense decides that the content is "mature" or whatnot, it will very likely blocked for you again. PA could appeal to WebSense to get its category changed, but they'd have to heavily censor topics and such....I don't think anyone would like that.

    I think it is currently categorized as "games"

    Websense is funny sometimes. This place isn't blocked at my job, the Steam forums ARE (for "games") but the Steam main page isn't. Also, Eurobricks (lego site) is blocked for "web chat".

    Tomanta on
  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Ramius wrote: »
    ebotastic wrote: »
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    Ramius wrote: »
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    Hitting things with hammers is a vital part of server maintenance.

    True story.

    i've fixed a 2 radios and a TV by hitting them with a hammer.

    I suspect your psyche has been tainted by operant conditioning under a variable ratio reinforcement schedule.

    (recognizing the power and prevalence of this phenomenon is about the only valuable thing I learned in high-school psychology)

    Why yes, I do indeed like bacon.
    I have no clue what you said

    I believe he's talking about confirmation bias, Buttcleft.

    I am also amazed that you weren't responsible for the forums being down.

    no, confirmation bias is something slightly different. What I'm talking about is more along the lines of how casinos make buckets of money from slot machines, or professional athletes have weird superstitious behaviors. Operant conditioning is the effect of expecting outcome "y" when you do "x", generally because at some time in the past, "y" has occurred after doing "x".

    Even if doing "x" frequently does NOT lead to "y", a person will come to believe the doing "x" is a "tried and true" method of acheiving "y". This belief becomes even more powerful the less the subject understands the connection between x and y and where the frequency with which x leads to y is unpredictable.

    But it works every single time!

    Buttcleft on
  • Fallout2manFallout2man Vault Dweller Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Why use the MyISAM storage engine? MyISAM was really meant for small-time websites or web-apps where short-term speed is valued over reliability. InnoDB is ACID compliant, has far superior recovery abilities and supports essential bits of SQL that MyISAM doesn't (such as foreign keys.) If anything, even if this linux setup works I'd still consider moving things to InnoDB.

    I know recent releases of vanilla vBulletin now use InnoDB for everything except for fulltext searching, so hopefully migration is possible.

    Fallout2man on
    On Ignorance:
    Kana wrote:
    If the best you can come up with against someone who's patently ignorant is to yell back at him, "Yeah? Well there's BOOKS, and they say you're WRONG!"

    Then honestly you're not coming out of this looking great either.
  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2010
    You answered your own question with the last line of the post.

    http://twitter.com/ekarulf/status/10611918364475392

    FyreWulff on
  • Fallout2manFallout2man Vault Dweller Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    You answered your own question with the last line of the post.

    http://twitter.com/ekarulf/status/10611918364475392

    According to this

    vBulletin is fine with whatever storage engine is used for each table, except for the session and post content tables, which need to use the memory (for speed) or MyISAM for fulltext indexing.

    Another thought, maybe MariaDB might work as a good replacement?

    Fallout2man on
    On Ignorance:
    Kana wrote:
    If the best you can come up with against someone who's patently ignorant is to yell back at him, "Yeah? Well there's BOOKS, and they say you're WRONG!"

    Then honestly you're not coming out of this looking great either.
  • RamiusRamius Joined: July 19, 2000 Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited December 2010
    We already use InnoDB for everything except the post table, but therein lies the problem.

    We have plans for replacing the mysql fulltext search with something more robust, but haven't gotten there yet.

    Ramius on
  • LewishamLewisham Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I'd love a follow-up to this post in a couple of days to see if Linux did stop the locking problem. As much as BSD is cool, sometimes you gotta swallow the more supported platform, even if it's the flakier one!

    Lewisham on
  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I just wanna say thanks for all the insane hard work and dedication. Alphamonkey is probably my favorite human being right now.

    And I'm really scared of how much I missed the forums. I think I should look for help.

    Stormwatcher on
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  • RandomHajileRandomHajile Not actually a Snatcher The New KremlinRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Tomanta wrote: »
    streever wrote: »
    Just wanted to add the gratitude of a habitual lurker here. Thanks to all of the people (Alpha, Ramius, Tube, all the Mods, the community, and of course Jerry/Mike/Khoo) who make this a great place for our kind.


    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    Thanks guys, I really didn't think the forums would be up so quick.

    I do have a small request/question that came to mind when I saw your long term fix plan.

    I was wondering if the new launch of the forums would mean that the forums are no longer blocked by websense? and if not, would it be possible to change whatever needs to be changed to make them unblocked when you do the new launch?

    I am a web filter admin, and while we don't use WebSense, most category-based web filters are based primarily on the content available on a domain name and its associated IP addresses. The best case scenario is that the new forums will be on a new subdomain (like community.penny-arcade.com or something), but once WebSense decides that the content is "mature" or whatnot, it will very likely blocked for you again. PA could appeal to WebSense to get its category changed, but they'd have to heavily censor topics and such....I don't think anyone would like that.

    I think it is currently categorized as "games"

    Websense is funny sometimes. This place isn't blocked at my job, the Steam forums ARE (for "games") but the Steam main page isn't. Also, Eurobricks (lego site) is blocked for "web chat".

    Yeah, I think with our current filter, the main PA page is listed in multiple categories...Games and Mature Content, at least. If just one category for a site is listed in Block, it will be blocked unless the site is specifically overridden.

    RandomHajile on
  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I just wanna say thanks for all the insane hard work and dedication. Alphamonkey is probably my favorite human being right now.

    And I'm really scared of how much I missed the forums. I think I should look for help.

    Well, you know where H&A is. I'm sure the nice folks there could fit you in. ;-)

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    that would only make things worse! D:

    (I love you all)

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  • WildcatWildcat Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Another vote of thanks here to Alphamonkey and Ramius along with all the other people who got the site back on its feet so quickly.

    Wildcat on
  • MachismoMachismo Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I pay good money for this shit, and this is the kinda crap I put up with?!? Good day sir!!!


    Seriously, good job Alpha Monkey. That was a crap ton of work for 48 hours. If you ever hit San Antonio, I'll buy to a sandwich and a beer at the Flying Saucer.

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  • LewishamLewisham Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Thanks for all of the hard work getting the forums up and running so quickly.

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  • FoolproofFoolproof thats what my hearts become in that place you dare not look staring back at youRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    My PC blew up at the same time and took about the same amount of time for me to fix so I really didn't notice the downtime. Pretty convenient synchronization of inconveniences as far as I am concerned.

    I hope you enjoyed your problem solving more than I did.

    Foolproof on
  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Alpha, I made you this new hat. Thanks for keeping the forums up and running.
    alphabroodax.jpg

    see317 on
  • IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I also wanted to say thanks for all you folks are doing to make us happy.

    So thanks!!!

    Icemopper on
  • [H]olyGeekboy[H]olyGeekboy PAX dad and PC builder ClevelandRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2010
    I take credit for suggesting a move away from FreeBSD:

    http://twitter.com/IAmRoot/status/10707522935590913

    :) /Linux Nerd

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  • ÄlphämönkëyÄlphämönkëy Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    see317 wrote: »
    Alpha, I made you this new hat. Thanks for keeping the forums up and running.
    alphabroodax.jpg

    Thanks! I love getting new hats.

    Älphämönkëy on
  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I remember way back when hatsofmeat.com used to provide PA with their tender meat hats. Is that no longer the case?

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  • ÄlphämönkëyÄlphämönkëy Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I remember way back when hatsofmeat.com used to provide PA with their tender meat hats. Is that no longer the case?

    That's reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally old.

    Älphämönkëy on
  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Ramius wrote: »
    What I'm talking about is more along the lines of how casinos make buckets of money from slot machines, or professional athletes have weird superstitious behaviors. Operant conditioning is the effect of expecting outcome "y" when you do "x", generally because at some time in the past, "y" has occurred after doing "x".

    Even if doing "x" frequently does NOT lead to "y", a person will come to believe the doing "x" is a "tried and true" method of acheiving "y". This belief becomes even more powerful the less the subject understands the connection between x and y and where the frequency with which x leads to y is unpredictable.

    Holding down and B makes it less likely to escape, I swear!

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  • Fallout2manFallout2man Vault Dweller Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Okay, so did a little digging. What about Sphinx as a possible solution?

    There's a Sphinx vBulletin Mod that would allow for all fulltext indexes to be removed from the DB, and the remaining tables could be migrated to InnoDB.

    It looks like there's a little assembly required to install the module, but I don't mind donating a little time on the PHP side of things to help. Even if switching to *nix does end up solving the crashes, I'd still recommend doing anything at all possible to get 100% of the database over to InnoDB.

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    On Ignorance:
    Kana wrote:
    If the best you can come up with against someone who's patently ignorant is to yell back at him, "Yeah? Well there's BOOKS, and they say you're WRONG!"

    Then honestly you're not coming out of this looking great either.
  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    alphamonkey was looking into Sphinx earlier I think.

    hm, not really sure what happened to that though

    End on
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  • ÄlphämönkëyÄlphämönkëy Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I've had my hands full with other projects, notably the Child's Play dinner last night and the holiday rush on orders from our store. The forums are definitely high on my TODO list, they just aren't at the top of it :wink:

    I'll let you guys know when I'm back and working on the forums.

    FalloutMan, I 100% agree.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Plan D, we just make a very sophisticated Google Group.

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Plan D, we just make a very sophisticated Google Group.

    ugh

    I hear google groups is a nightmare to administer

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    You mean non-paying users who don't mind a few days of downtime and the odd error get a lower priority?

    Well I never

    It's a scandal. It will shake the very foundations of the internet.

    MKR on
  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    MKR wrote: »
    You mean non-paying users who don't mind a few days of downtime and the odd error get a lower priority?

    Well I never

    It's a scandal. It will shake the very foundations of the internet.

    I'm sending stuff off to wikileaks as we speak!

    Tomanta on
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