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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I think whats happening here is that we are interpreting them differently

    like when you see 'dont convince a woman to sleep with you if she says no the first time'

    you think 'thats ridiculous, asking multiple times isn't rape!'

    while we think, 'thats true, telling a girl that she'll be a cockblocking bitch and youll stop liking her if she doesn't sleep with you is wrong'

    ok, that makes you a douchebag, not a rapist

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  • jackaljackal Fuck Yes. That is an orderly anal warehouse. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I think whats happening here is that we are interpreting them differently

    like when you see 'dont convince a woman to sleep with you if she says no the first time'

    you think 'thats ridiculous, asking multiple times isn't rape!'

    while we think, 'thats true, telling a girl that she'll be a cockblocking bitch and youll stop liking her if she doesn't sleep with you is wrong'

    Not all wrong things are rape.

    jackal on
  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Weaver wrote: »
    Mysst wrote: »
    Weaver wrote: »
    If you jack off on a girls back while she's sleeping because she turned you down and you tell the story a bunch of times on a forum eventually people are going to cast you out.

    wait, when did I get cast out?

    PKMoutl

    hahaha, seriously?

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I think whats happening here is that we are interpreting them differently

    like when you see 'dont convince a woman to sleep with you if she says no the first time'

    you think 'thats ridiculous, asking multiple times isn't rape!'

    while we think, 'thats true, telling a girl that she'll be a cockblocking bitch and youll stop liking her if she doesn't sleep with you is wrong'

    sure, but that's covered by the bullet points about threatening, nagging, manipulating, etc.

    so presumably the one that talks about convincing means a much less nasty type of conversation, like "aww, come on" or something

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  • UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    FirmSkater wrote: »
    I like how that list suggests that only men are capable of rape.

    In some jurisdictions, this is true

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  • WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    rapenazies

    Weaver on
  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    according to that list, and guy who has said "Come on, please" is a rapist

    literally

    that is what that list says

    Well, I agree with that to a degree. I would never say his actions were in the same order of magnitude as someone who jumps out of alleys with a shard of glass to assault women. But I also don't think the word "rape" should be enthroned and distinguished for only the worst-case scenarios. Pressuring a person into sex can still be a victimizing experience for that person, and people overlook that too often. I'd agree with many of the conditions of the list, but I do think it employs a lot of poor rhetoric. Could be a disingenuous jerk or just a really shitty writer.

    She is a crazy feminist. I guess calling her a feminist is kind of mean to feminists. She is a crazy person. This is a woman who said that because her son liked porn he was a rapist in training and she should have aborted him.

    Langly on
  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I like the one that says that if you witness a rape and don't get help or report it then you're also a rapist

    like don't get me wrong

    if you do that you are a miserable fucking shitheel

    but you're not a rapist in any way

    because you did not forcefully have sex with someone against his or her will

    If you saw a rape and didn't report it then they might try and do you for accessory though, as long as there wasn't any danger in you intervening.

    Solar on
  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    40. If she has fucked every man in a 10 square mile radius and she doesn't want to fuck you and you have sex with her anyway, then you're a rapist (and she is a whore).

    emphasis mine
    seems like the person writing this has some Opinions about sex

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I think whats happening here is that we are interpreting them differently

    like when you see 'dont convince a woman to sleep with you if she says no the first time'

    you think 'thats ridiculous, asking multiple times isn't rape!'

    while we think, 'thats true, telling a girl that she'll be a cockblocking bitch and youll stop liking her if she doesn't sleep with you is wrong'

    I'm no Don Juan but I somehow doubt that's a line that works all that often.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Mysst wrote: »
    Weaver wrote: »
    Mysst wrote: »
    Weaver wrote: »
    If you jack off on a girls back while she's sleeping because she turned you down and you tell the story a bunch of times on a forum eventually people are going to cast you out.

    wait, when did I get cast out?

    PKMoutl

    hahaha, seriously?

    you never heard that story?

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  • TamTam Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    wait wait

    girl is drunk, you are not, you have sex with her is pretty clear
    but how is you getting drunk and the girl not getting drunk rape (with the girl as the victim)
    unless it presupposes you force yourself on her
    but then it should say that

    Tam on
  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    40. If she has fucked every man in a 10 square mile radius and she doesn't want to fuck you and you have sex with her anyway, then you're a rapist (and she is a whore).

    emphasis mine
    seems like the person writing this has some Opinions about sex

    Yeah that sounds

    yeah

    Solar on
  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Solar wrote: »
    I like the one that says that if you witness a rape and don't get help or report it then you're also a rapist

    like don't get me wrong

    if you do that you are a miserable fucking shitheel

    but you're not a rapist in any way

    because you did not forcefully have sex with someone against his or her will

    If you saw a rape and didn't report it then they might try and do you for accessory though, as long as there wasn't any danger in you intervening.
    yeah I suppose that's true

    still though

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  • FirmSkaterFirmSkater Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Butters wrote: »
    I think whats happening here is that we are interpreting them differently

    like when you see 'dont convince a woman to sleep with you if she says no the first time'

    you think 'thats ridiculous, asking multiple times isn't rape!'

    while we think, 'thats true, telling a girl that she'll be a cockblocking bitch and youll stop liking her if she doesn't sleep with you is wrong'

    I'm no Don Juan but I somehow doubt that's a line that works all that often.

    I am Don juan and I can tell you that line is pure gold, you should really try it

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  • UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Tam wrote: »
    wait wait

    girl is drunk, you are not, you have sex with her is pretty clear
    but how is you getting drunk and the girl not getting drunk rape
    unless it presupposes you force yourself on her
    but then it should say that

    yeah the only way that one makes sense is if it is saying that intoxication is not a defense for your actions

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  • bowtiedsealbowtiedseal Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I think we can all agree that the person who wrote the list has Issues and is not the most eloquent writer ever.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    honestly that list frustrates me because so many of them are good, reasonable points that a lot of people haven't actually considered

    the batshit crazy points drag all the others down

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  • Psycho Internet HawkPsycho Internet Hawk Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Some of the stuff in that list is...oddly specific and unusual. Was it compiled by a bunch of people or just one person?

    Because I'm kinda getting a "THIS ONE TIME ...." vibe from it and it's pretty weird.

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Some of the stuff in that list is...oddly specific and unusual. Was it compiled by a bunch of people or just one person?

    Because I'm kinda getting a "THIS ONE TIME ...." vibe from it and it's pretty weird.

    bitingbeaver made an original list and then added to it as people who read her blog chimed in.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I think we can all agree that the person who wrote the list has Issues and is not the most eloquent writer ever.

    absolutely

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  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I think we can all agree that the person who wrote the list has Issues and is not the most eloquent writer ever.

    Yes.

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  • AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Butters wrote: »
    It also seems to imply the mere presence of alcohol or drugs in the system of either person is rape which is absolutely preposterous.

    I think that's probably a case of shitty writing, where they assume the reader knows the further implications or the nuances of how those factor in to consent in both legal and moral contexts. I think it's just poorly/lazily written, and I suspect the list was compiled by more than one person, based on some variations in phrasing.

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  • vsovevsove ....also yes. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I mean, some of the stuff on that list is ridiculous (Convincing someone to have sex - well, I've asked for sex before, been told 'no, I'm too tired' and then when I said 'I'll do all the work if you want!' sex has been readily agreed to), but I don't think a lot of them are as ridiculous as is often suggested.

    But yeah, a few of them are serious head scratchers.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Listen rape is easy to define.

    1) If you are having sex with someone who said "no" to the idea of sex with you you are raping them.

    2) If you are having sex with someone who is unable to state yes or no due to their current condition, you are raping them.

    The end

    Solar on
  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Solar wrote: »
    I like the one that says that if you witness a rape and don't get help or report it then you're also a rapist

    like don't get me wrong

    if you do that you are a miserable fucking shitheel

    but you're not a rapist in any way

    because you did not forcefully have sex with someone against his or her will

    If you saw a rape and didn't report it then they might try and do you for accessory though, as long as there wasn't any danger in you intervening.

    This is making the generous assumption that you're witnessing what most sensible people consider rape, instead of what this crazy list considers rape.

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  • SnowbeatSnowbeat i need something to kick this thing's ass over the lineRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Some of the stuff in that list is...oddly specific and unusual. Was it compiled by a bunch of people or just one person?

    Because I'm kinda getting a "THIS ONE TIME ...." vibe from it and it's pretty weird.
    it was one pretty much insane lady, yes

    she has some good points and a few batshit crazy ones

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  • TamTam Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Ubik wrote: »
    Tam wrote: »
    wait wait

    girl is drunk, you are not, you have sex with her is pretty clear
    but how is you getting drunk and the girl not getting drunk rape
    unless it presupposes you force yourself on her
    but then it should say that

    yeah the only way that one makes sense is if it is saying that intoxication is not a defense for your actions

    yeah, it doesn't make sense to me how the girl could be a victim of rape if you're drunk and she isn't and you're not the one forcing yourself on her

    and if it's about compromised judgment, does that make her a rapist?

    jesus christ

    Tam on
  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Solar wrote: »
    I like the one that says that if you witness a rape and don't get help or report it then you're also a rapist

    like don't get me wrong

    if you do that you are a miserable fucking shitheel

    but you're not a rapist in any way

    because you did not forcefully have sex with someone against his or her will

    If you saw a rape and didn't report it then they might try and do you for accessory though, as long as there wasn't any danger in you intervening.

    This is making the generous assumption that you're witnessing what most sensible people consider rape, instead of what this crazy list considers rape.

    Yeah if I see a dude chatting up a lady then I don't think I am a bad person just because she only wanted to have sex with him after she found it he is a barrister.

    Solar on
  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] ...it was the summer of my lifeRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Found it!
    1. You are a rapist if you get a girl drunk and have sex with her. Obviously

    2. You are a rapist if you find a drunk girl and have sex with her. Yep

    3. You are a rapist if you get yourself drunk and have sex with her. Your drunkeness is no excuse. The fuck

    4. If you are BOTH drunk you may still be a rapist. Nnnnooooo

    5. If she's alternating between puking her guts out and passing out in the bed then you're a rapist. Thats number 1 again

    6. If she's sleeping and you have sex with her you're a rapist. Yep

    7. If she's unconscious and you have sex with her then you're a rapist. Si

    8. If she's taking sleeping pills and doesn’t wake up when you have sex with her then you’re a rapist. pretty much

    9. If she is incapacitated in any way and unable to say 'Yes' then you're a rapist. T

    10. If you drug her then you're a rapist. People need to be told this?

    11. If you find a drugged girl and have sex with her then you're a rapist. Y

    12. If you don't bother to ask her permission and she says neither 'Yes' or 'No' then you could be a rapist. Depends but going with Yes
    If at some point during foreplay or intercourse a woman does not explicitly state "Yes, I agree to this sexual encounter." what you just did was rape.
    13. You are a rapist if you 'nag' her for sex. Because you manage to ply an eventual 'yes' from a weary victim doesn't mean it's not rape. You are a rapist. UUUUH it depends, 'rape' is a pretty strong word for this so I'm gonna say no The answer is no. Saying "Pleease, I really want to do it." and then having her go fine does not make you a rapist.

    14. You are a rapist if you try to circumvent her "No" by talking her into it. She's not playing hard to get, and, even if she IS it's not YOUR responsibility to 'get' her. You're still a rapist. This is actually true No it isn't. This doesn't mention force or coercion at all.

    15. You are a rapist if you manipulate her into sex when she doesn't otherwise want it. If you say, "If you loved me you’d do X" then you're a rapist. If you say, "All the other kids are doing it!" then you're a rapist. Again, 'rape' seems a little strong but no one should do this Backrubs to turn a girl on makes you a rapist. That's 'manipulation'. So is having a candle lit dinner and a bed strewn with rose petals. Emotionally guilting her, while weaselly, also doesn't make you a rapist.

    16. If you threaten her, or act in a way that SHE thinks you're threatening her then you're a rapist. If you puff up and get loud and frustrated while trying to 'talk' her into sex then you're a rapist. Gonna go with yes Threaten or coerce yes. Loud and frustrated not really, no.

    17. You are a rapist if you don't immediately get your hands off of her when she says 'no'. You are a rapist if you take your hands off of her and then put them back ON her after 10 minutes and she eventually 'gives in' to this tactic. Ehhhhhh, depends
    If by don't get your hands off you mean after a reasonable reaction time you continue to have sex with her then yes. The second thing nope.
    18. You are a rapist if you won't let her sleep peacefully without waking her every 15 minutes asking her for sex. Sleep depravation is a form of torture and YOU are a rapist. Thats not rape thats being an annoying asshole
    Not rape, and it's thing that both men and women do to each other. Not necessarily maliciously.
    19. If you're necking with her and you're naked and you've already gone down on her and she says 'No' to sex with you and you have sex with her anyway then you're a rapist. A woman can so 'no' at any time

    20. If you're engaged in intercourse and she says 'No' at ANY point and you don't immediately stop then you're a rapist. Yeah
    Again, after reasonable time to react. You can't expect a man midthrust to leap across the room at a single word like vampire from sunlight.
    21. If she said "Yes" to sex with a condom and that condom breaks and you proceed anyway then you're a rapist. It depends, but if she says to stop then definitely If she says no then obviously. Otherwise, not really no.

    22. If she picked you up at a bar looking for sex and then decides that she doesn't WANT sex and you continue then you're a rapist. yeah

    23. If she changes her mind at ANY point for ANY reason and you don't immediately back off or you try to talk her into it and get sex anyway then you're a rapist. Yes to the first, 'eh' to the second
    No to the second.
    24. If you don't hit her and she says 'No' you're still a rapist. agree

    25. If you don't have a knife or a gun or a garrote and she says 'No' then you're still a rapist. agree

    26. If you're a friend of hers you can still be a rapist. agree

    27. If you had sex with her the night before but she doesn't want morning sex and you pressure her for it anyway then you're a rapist. depends on what you mean by 'pressure' Pressure doesn't make you a rapist.

    28. If you're her husband you can still be a rapist. yes

    29. If it's your wedding night and she doesn't WANT to have sex with you and you force or coerce her anyway then you're a rapist. thats a weird situation but still true
    Yes, but coerce is kind of a broad word. Guilting her into doing it would be weaselly, but not rape.
    30. If she's had sex with you hundreds of times before but doesn't want to on the 101st time then you're a rapist. oui

    31. If you penetrate her anally, orally or digitally against her will then YOU my friend, are ALSO a rapist. yes

    32. Women do not owe you sex. obvs

    33. Buying her dinner does not entitle you to sex. yeh

    34. Paying her mortgage does not entitle you to sex. hai

    35. Buying her clothing does not entitle you to sex. claro que si

    36. Buying her lingerie does not entitle you to sex. It also doesn't mean that she has any obligation to wear that lingerie around you. yep

    37. Spending any amount of money on her does not, ever, entitle you to sex. uh huh

    38. Seeing her legs or cleavage does not entitle you to sex. yeppers

    39. If she 'turns you on' you're not entitled to sex. yah

    40. If she has fucked every man in a 10 square mile radius and she doesn't want to fuck you and you have sex with her anyway, then you're a rapist (and she is a whore). y 30 to 40 here is just some wanking bullshit that's pretty irrelevant.

    41. Her clothing is not a reason for you to rape her. Her LACK of clothing is no reason to rape her. If she's wearing a thong and pasties you STILL have no right to rape her. yep

    42. If she's a prostitute and she says "No" then you're a rapist. even if you paid her, this is true!

    43. If she's a stripper and she says "No" then you're a rapist. Likewise, if she's a stripper and she's been rubbing against your dick all night long and you follow her to her car and have sex with her against her will then you are ALSO a rapist. ye

    44. If you watch a woman being raped without calling the authorities then you're as bad as a rapist and you may also be a rapist yourself. not true at all

    45. If you don't fight rape then you accept rape. no? What does this even mean.

    46. If you don't believe a woman when she says she was raped then you're encouraging rape. this is a complex issue that cant be explained in a list point
    I agree.
    47. If you choose to remain friends with a man who raped a woman you are encouraging rape. see above I agree.

    48. If you confess to the authorities that you raped a woman it does not exonerate you. You are not suddenly a model of good behavior. yeah

    49. If you ‘only’ raped one woman, you’re STILL a rapist. basically!

    50. You cannot tell who is a rapist by the way they look. Rapists are your friends, your brothers, your fathers and you won't know it. yeah Fuck this sentence. It's ugly and offensive. It's like a guy saying "You cannot tell who is a gold-digging whore by the way they look. Whores are your friends, your sisters, your mothers and you won't know it. Except worse.

    51. Do not get frustrated with a woman if she doesn't trust you. SHE already knows that rapists don't wear signs on their foreheads. Something you think is innocuous SHE may find terrifying. yep Yeah don't be offended by being automatically categorized as a potential rapist because you have a penis.

    its not nearly as bad as you guys made it seem

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Let me reiterate that this is a person who let her teenage son know that she wished she had aborted him, because he looked at porn.

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  • mensch-o-maticmensch-o-matic Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    The really big problem here is that its a list of single sentences with many vague definitions of what defines something as loaded as the word 'rape'
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    I think whats happening here is that we are interpreting them differently

    like when you see 'dont convince a woman to sleep with you if she says no the first time'

    you think 'thats ridiculous, asking multiple times isn't rape!'

    while we think, 'thats true, telling a girl that she'll be a cockblocking bitch and youll stop liking her if she doesn't sleep with you is wrong'

    ok, that makes you a douchebag, not a rapist

    while i think it falls under extortion to threaten a woman's character for sex, which i think is rape

    Dichotomy wrote: »
    40. If she has fucked every man in a 10 square mile radius and she doesn't want to fuck you and you have sex with her anyway, then you're a rapist (and she is a whore).

    emphasis mine
    seems like the person writing this has some Opinions about sex

    i copypasta'd that from ED so that may have not been hers? Then again she is also crazy, apparently

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Langly wrote: »
    Let me reiterate that this is a person who let her teenage son know that she wished she had aborted him, because he looked at porn.

    This lady

    is crazy

    Solar on
  • WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Tam wrote: »
    Ubik wrote: »
    Tam wrote: »
    wait wait

    girl is drunk, you are not, you have sex with her is pretty clear
    but how is you getting drunk and the girl not getting drunk rape
    unless it presupposes you force yourself on her
    but then it should say that

    yeah the only way that one makes sense is if it is saying that intoxication is not a defense for your actions

    yeah, it doesn't make sense to me how the girl could be a victim of rape if you're drunk and she isn't and you're not the one forcing yourself on her

    and if it's about compromised judgment, does that make her a rapist?

    jesus christ

    Wait until you get told that you're behaving inappropriately when you flirt back to girls that flirt with you.

    Weaver on
  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I can't help but laugh while reading The Rape List

    just the tone of it

    even if i've never done anything in that list, it's still so determined to call me a rapist

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  • JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Hmm, the President is having a surprise news conference

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Langly wrote: »
    Let me reiterate that this is a person who let her teenage son know that she wished she had aborted him, because he looked at porn.

    man I would make sure to turn up the volume real high and watch only the softest of porn

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  • LTMLTM Bikes and BeardsRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Weaver wrote: »
    Tam wrote: »
    Ubik wrote: »
    Tam wrote: »
    wait wait

    girl is drunk, you are not, you have sex with her is pretty clear
    but how is you getting drunk and the girl not getting drunk rape
    unless it presupposes you force yourself on her
    but then it should say that

    yeah the only way that one makes sense is if it is saying that intoxication is not a defense for your actions

    yeah, it doesn't make sense to me how the girl could be a victim of rape if you're drunk and she isn't and you're not the one forcing yourself on her

    and if it's about compromised judgment, does that make her a rapist?

    jesus christ

    Wait until you get told that you're behaving inappropriately when you flirt back to girls that flirt with you.

    Weaver, in those girls' defense, whipping it out and playing Zorro isn't the textbook definition of flirting.

    LTM on
  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I think what I find repelling about that list is that it exudes hatred for men, and tells women that they are weak and need protection from the entire male sex. Especially towards the end. Basically, it places all women into the role of victims, and all men into the role of at least potential rapists. It makes women look completely powerless under these all encompassing raping male overlords.

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  • JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Obama's talking about the tax deal. He mentions having to choose not to keep up a political fight and have a bunch of people lose unemployment benefits.

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