Chu, when I played with you I always thought you were a strong player with good instincts/mechanics, especially for a sub-level 30. I think you'll get really good if you keep playing.
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i guess there are games where i'm being outclassed and i'm like "i don't even know what i could have done better"
like if i whiff an ult or am inattentive to the minimap or something, ok, fine
but occasionally i'll go against an MF or kennen in mid and no matter how many times i do i am like 'this person understands the game better than i do and i don't know what i'm supposed to do here'
Chu, when I played with you I always thought you were a strong player with good instincts/mechanics, especially for a sub-level 30. I think you'll get really good if you keep playing.
thank you, you are a sweetheart
i guess there are games where i'm being outclassed and i'm like "i don't even know what i could have done better"
like if i whiff an ult or am inattentive to the minimap or something, ok, fine
but occasionally i'll go against an MF or kennen in mid and no matter how many times i do i am like 'this person understands the game better than i do and i don't know what i'm supposed to do here'
iunno
Some match-ups are just bad - Ashe vs Kennen or MF is such a match-up. Nothing to sweat there, really; if you're at equal skill level with them (or even if they're slightly below you), you should expect it to go in their favor.
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edited December 2010
If you feel like you're starting to plateau a little bit in your current hero, now that you've played for awhile it may be worthwhile to branch out.
I mean, it's always nice to have a 'go-to' hero, but versatility is a good thing to have.
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Chu, when I played with you I always thought you were a strong player with good instincts/mechanics, especially for a sub-level 30. I think you'll get really good if you keep playing.
thank you, you are a sweetheart
i guess there are games where i'm being outclassed and i'm like "i don't even know what i could have done better"
like if i whiff an ult or am inattentive to the minimap or something, ok, fine
but occasionally i'll go against an MF or kennen in mid and no matter how many times i do i am like 'this person understands the game better than i do and i don't know what i'm supposed to do here'
iunno
Some match-ups are just bad - Ashe vs Kennen or MF is such a match-up. Nothing to sweat there, really; if you're at equal skill level with them (or even if they're slightly below you), you should expect it to go in their favor.
This, exactly. Let's say for the sake of argument that you play a perfect Ashe mid, and they play a perfect Kennen/MF mid.
They will beat you, every time, because MF and Kennen are just stronger solo lanes than Ashe. Of course, Ashe brings more utility to the team than MF, so you losing the lane doesn't even necessarily make Ashe a bad pick. You just have to make up for it by utilizing your utility to help the team more than MF can. (For instance, global arrows across the map to make a gank work, or a hawk shot to catch them in a murder brush and prevent their gank.)
As for Kennen... well... yeah. Kennen is just a very strong champion right now. Probably moreso than Ashe.
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i am like 'this person understands the game better than i do and i don't know what i'm supposed to do here'
iunno
All warfare is based on deception.
The key to winning bad matchups is to be initially unpredictable, then to establish a non-threatening pattern in your behaviors. This will cause your opponent's behavior to become predictable, which is just another word for punishable.
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edited December 2010
Tank Sion claims another game. Okay they were all magic or so, but god damn it feels noice to have Kennen ult you, get stunned, then go back to thwacking a turret three seconds later.
i am like 'this person understands the game better than i do and i don't know what i'm supposed to do here'
iunno
All warfare is based on deception.
The key to winning bad matchups is to be initially unpredictable, then to establish a non-threatening pattern in your behaviors. This will cause your opponent's behavior to become predictable, which is just another word for punishable.
So I didn't used to like jungling, but I'm liking it a lot more now. I feel like I can really control where my team puts pressure and control the pace of getting map objectives. And just spend a lot more time map awarenessing in general.
But the thing I hate about jungling is that counterjunglers are a huge pain. Like, it's actually bad for the enemy team if they commit a lot of resources to stopping your jungle, and then fail to kill him, but surviving ganks can be more difficult in the jungle than in the lane, and it's certainly not fun at all for you to be the one having your game shut down in exchange for setting the enemy team behind in farming.
So far dedicated counter-jungling hasn't happened to me too much though. Maybe in about 5-10% of my games.
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So I didn't used to like jungling, but I'm liking it a lot more now. I feel like I can really control where my team puts pressure and control the pace of getting map objectives. And just spend a lot more time map awarenessing in general.
But the thing I hate about jungling is that counterjunglers are a huge pain. Like, it's actually bad for the enemy team if they commit a lot of resources to stopping your jungle, and then fail to kill him, but surviving ganks can be more difficult in the jungle than in the lane, and it's certainly not fun at all for you to be the one having your game shut down in exchange for setting the enemy team behind in farming.
So far dedicated counter-jungling hasn't happened to me too much though. Maybe in about 5-10% of my games.
I had an Anivia from mid counter me in the jungle once. Our TF didn't do shit about it, he didn't gain a level advantage and he didn't come to help me at all. All I saw was Clairvoyance and I knew it was time to run. I couldn't even get the golem, it was ridiculous. Everyone kept calling me a scrub when none of them came to help me. So awesome when that happens
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He was probably losing his lane pretty badly and was scrambling to play catchup just relieved that she was gone for the moment. It really sucks when you can't count on your team to win their lanes even when you're getting counterjungled, though. Very frustrating.
If I'm not getting counterjungled, or not getting counterjungled effectively, then I can actually still carry my team as Warwick even if we're otherwise losing every lane, though. Have to play a near-perfect game to do it, but it's possible.
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He was probably losing his lane pretty badly and was scrambling to play catchup just relieved that she was gone for the moment. It really sucks when you can't count on your team to win their lanes even when you're getting counterjungled, though. Very frustrating.
If I'm not getting counterjungled, or not getting counterjungled effectively, then I can actually still carry my team as Warwick even if we're otherwise losing every lane, though. Have to play a near-perfect game to do it, but it's possible.
I have no idea what that TFs problem was, Anivia would just come back and dominate the lane, it was ridiculous. Just not sure what to do when I'm still level 1 and Anivia has sky rocketed to level 5 and the duo side lanes are level 3. I'm 100% ineffective at the time and I can't do shit to help my team even if I wanted too.
On the other hand, due to my vast experience with jungling (basically all I do at this point, I have to force myself to lane, even with junglers now), I have become rather effective at counter jungling from a lane. Most players are predictable and if I see a Warwick with Smite/whatever its a safe bet that they will start at blue golem or mini golems. Some champs have to start at blue golem in the first place and it makes for a very easy first blood plus a blue golem kill steal, I do it when ever I can.
I also use the very dirty and easily abused trick of kill counting. Just count their kills as they go so I can predict where they are. Depending on the champion depends on how easy it is to count since knowing the best starting points for each champion is crucial.
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So I didn't used to like jungling, but I'm liking it a lot more now. I feel like I can really control where my team puts pressure and control the pace of getting map objectives. And just spend a lot more time map awarenessing in general.
But the thing I hate about jungling is that counterjunglers are a huge pain. Like, it's actually bad for the enemy team if they commit a lot of resources to stopping your jungle, and then fail to kill him, but surviving ganks can be more difficult in the jungle than in the lane, and it's certainly not fun at all for you to be the one having your game shut down in exchange for setting the enemy team behind in farming.
So far dedicated counter-jungling hasn't happened to me too much though. Maybe in about 5-10% of my games.
I remember one memorable game where I was Cho in the jungle and the enemy team has Eve with Smite and Yi jungling (with Smite). They took every opportunity they could to fuck with me that game, it was completely infuriating. Except that in doing so, Eve was also denying herself farm and levels.
At the end of the day we had an underleveled and underfarmed Cho whose disables still worked just fine and was only somewhat less tanky than they should be and they had a completely worthless Eve that was only good for dying.
And I wasn't even the only tank on the team; we had three fucking others besides me!
I also use the very dirty and easily abused trick of kill counting. Just count their kills as they go so I can predict where they are. Depending on the champion depends on how easy it is to count since knowing the best starting points for each champion is crucial.
Incorporating this into my game ... nnnnow.
Jungling just got a little bit harder for you :P
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edited December 2010
Wait, I thought you were supposed to be good. You mean you didn't use kill counting to counterjungle and know when ganks are incoming?
I also use the very dirty and easily abused trick of kill counting. Just count their kills as they go so I can predict where they are. Depending on the champion depends on how easy it is to count since knowing the best starting points for each champion is crucial.
Incorporating this into my game ... nnnnow.
Jungling just got a little bit harder for you :P
Come at me bro! I'll take your whole team!
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edited December 2010
I didn't.
Then again I'm not counterjungling much. Closest I ever got was with tryn where I went to get blue and hi there nearly dead olaf don't mind me just hacking you to pieces and taking the buff and exp for myself
my favorite thing to do as jungle trynd is use wriggles to ward their red, and spinning slash through baron/dragon whenever they are doin it if i'm close enough
smite dat shit and get a free kill
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edited December 2010
Step it up Mitchell.
heh.wmv or nothing.
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StragintDo Not GiftAlways DeclinesRegistered Userregular
edited December 2010
Counter jungling is so easy, its all about timing. If you are reasonably sure they are going to go for blue golem first then you wait until about 2 minutes and you go from the single river bush by mid lane, go up through the path and around to the blue golem and gank them and take blue. Crazy easy. Just learn when the creeps spawn and decide on a reasonable distance to stand away that will give you enough time for them to take lots of damage from the mob and make it easy for you to clean up. Only reason I go the back route for their blue is because it makes it far harder for them to escape and its much easier to sneak up on them.
My favorite counter jungler is Twitch for obvious reasons. Its intensely easy to sneak around and gank the jungler when they are low, steal buffs, and just make things hell for them. I've recently grown accustom to using TF for early game counter jungling. Found Warwick at the start of the game doing blue, stunned him, easily killed him and took his blue and left the little minions alive to fuck up respawns. I always get a bit worried when I don't take Exhaust on certain champs though, that is almost a staple for me and I feel I rely too much on it
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edited December 2010
One of the few times I have been completely worked in the jungle recently was by Shaco when I was on Irelia, but it didn't count because I was kicking his ass whenever he came to start something, except he had a TF and welp
If I had a TF or a Shen we would have raped =(
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edited December 2010
Shaco isn't that good of a counter jungler anyway. I never worry about him since its so easy to wreck his shit and go right back to jungling.
When jungling matters Shaco is one of those champs that don't bring the damage that makes me worry with any jungler I use. I don't generally worry about to many, the highest on my list are Xin, Garen, Trynd, Anivia, Ryze, and Vlad off the top of my head. Obviously it all depends on who I'm using.
I find the easiest champs to gank in the jungle though are Irelia, Amumu, Rammus and Trundle. Probably a few others but I don't care all that much at the moment. The hardest by far to effectively gank and keep under control are Udyr, Olaf, and Warwick. They all heal and are all tough champs to take down, Trundle and Rammus sometimes fall under this list since Trundle can block paths and Rammus can roll away but if they don't have those skills then they are generally easy to pick off. Udyr, Olaf and Warwick on the other hand are hard to kill from the start.
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edited December 2010
So for the Noxus Ionia match on Friday, I really hope Noxus wins (to buy vlad). But Ionia has far better champion selection and each side only gets one ban.
Noxus has:
Katarina, Vlad, Singed, Shaco, Morgana, Sion, Leblanc, Kog'Maw, Rammus and Miss Fortune
Nox has some decent champs, but basically it seems to me the one ban is Rammus, maybe Morgana. Rammus is the only pure tank for Nox, where Ionia has both Shen and Amumu, arguably two of the best tanks in the game.
Looking back at the list now, I also notice that neither side has much for support (save Soraka...heh). Pretty much is middle-damaging characters and a few carries.
Anyone else going to watch? I think it will be interesting.
They published a little blurb on the items the winners get to choose between.
Boots or a new Doran's item.
supposedly pretty different from existing items in their classes. I would guesstimate they have activated abilities or something.
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edited December 2010
We were debating this on vent when the matches were first announced. I think both sides have a couple interesting strategies available, but it'll come down to how daring they want to be.
However, I think Noxus has a slight advantage due to the champions available if they make the right ban (Sheeeeeeeeeen, because it means Amumu has to jungle if he's picked, which you can take advantage of). Also, Rammus isn't the consensus ban here and if they stay flexible beforehand, they can adjust as necessary.
EDIT: I'm hoping for a new Doran's item. Hopefully mr+cdr or something.
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i guess there are games where i'm being outclassed and i'm like "i don't even know what i could have done better"
like if i whiff an ult or am inattentive to the minimap or something, ok, fine
but occasionally i'll go against an MF or kennen in mid and no matter how many times i do i am like 'this person understands the game better than i do and i don't know what i'm supposed to do here'
iunno
Some match-ups are just bad - Ashe vs Kennen or MF is such a match-up. Nothing to sweat there, really; if you're at equal skill level with them (or even if they're slightly below you), you should expect it to go in their favor.
I mean, it's always nice to have a 'go-to' hero, but versatility is a good thing to have.
What?
This, exactly. Let's say for the sake of argument that you play a perfect Ashe mid, and they play a perfect Kennen/MF mid.
They will beat you, every time, because MF and Kennen are just stronger solo lanes than Ashe. Of course, Ashe brings more utility to the team than MF, so you losing the lane doesn't even necessarily make Ashe a bad pick. You just have to make up for it by utilizing your utility to help the team more than MF can. (For instance, global arrows across the map to make a gank work, or a hawk shot to catch them in a murder brush and prevent their gank.)
As for Kennen... well... yeah. Kennen is just a very strong champion right now. Probably moreso than Ashe.
I love Irelia.
Everyone whines in character select, though.
All warfare is based on deception.
The key to winning bad matchups is to be initially unpredictable, then to establish a non-threatening pattern in your behaviors. This will cause your opponent's behavior to become predictable, which is just another word for punishable.
DAC TRANSLATION: Pick Evelynn.
ok
side question: does panth's shield block mf's ricochet shot
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new plan
panth mid, every game
(though kennen is still incredibly annoying)
but the heroes he wants to counter usually go mid
it's a very weird thing
But it's so nice to have him up there because he can just ult into a dragon fight and laugh.
His HSS was doing close to 600 damage at level 5, during the duration of his stun.
No idea how.
But the thing I hate about jungling is that counterjunglers are a huge pain. Like, it's actually bad for the enemy team if they commit a lot of resources to stopping your jungle, and then fail to kill him, but surviving ganks can be more difficult in the jungle than in the lane, and it's certainly not fun at all for you to be the one having your game shut down in exchange for setting the enemy team behind in farming.
So far dedicated counter-jungling hasn't happened to me too much though. Maybe in about 5-10% of my games.
if you're blocking her ricochet shot, she'll just start zoning you out with "make it rain"
I had an Anivia from mid counter me in the jungle once. Our TF didn't do shit about it, he didn't gain a level advantage and he didn't come to help me at all. All I saw was Clairvoyance and I knew it was time to run. I couldn't even get the golem, it was ridiculous. Everyone kept calling me a scrub when none of them came to help me. So awesome when that happens
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
If I'm not getting counterjungled, or not getting counterjungled effectively, then I can actually still carry my team as Warwick even if we're otherwise losing every lane, though. Have to play a near-perfect game to do it, but it's possible.
I have no idea what that TFs problem was, Anivia would just come back and dominate the lane, it was ridiculous. Just not sure what to do when I'm still level 1 and Anivia has sky rocketed to level 5 and the duo side lanes are level 3. I'm 100% ineffective at the time and I can't do shit to help my team even if I wanted too.
On the other hand, due to my vast experience with jungling (basically all I do at this point, I have to force myself to lane, even with junglers now), I have become rather effective at counter jungling from a lane. Most players are predictable and if I see a Warwick with Smite/whatever its a safe bet that they will start at blue golem or mini golems. Some champs have to start at blue golem in the first place and it makes for a very easy first blood plus a blue golem kill steal, I do it when ever I can.
I also use the very dirty and easily abused trick of kill counting. Just count their kills as they go so I can predict where they are. Depending on the champion depends on how easy it is to count since knowing the best starting points for each champion is crucial.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
At the end of the day we had an underleveled and underfarmed Cho whose disables still worked just fine and was only somewhat less tanky than they should be and they had a completely worthless Eve that was only good for dying.
And I wasn't even the only tank on the team; we had three fucking others besides me!
Incorporating this into my game ... nnnnow.
Jungling just got a little bit harder for you :P
Come at me bro! I'll take your whole team!
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
Then again I'm not counterjungling much. Closest I ever got was with tryn where I went to get blue and hi there nearly dead olaf don't mind me just hacking you to pieces and taking the buff and exp for myself
smite dat shit and get a free kill
heh.jpeg
heh.wmv or nothing.
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My favorite counter jungler is Twitch for obvious reasons. Its intensely easy to sneak around and gank the jungler when they are low, steal buffs, and just make things hell for them. I've recently grown accustom to using TF for early game counter jungling. Found Warwick at the start of the game doing blue, stunned him, easily killed him and took his blue and left the little minions alive to fuck up respawns. I always get a bit worried when I don't take Exhaust on certain champs though, that is almost a staple for me and I feel I rely too much on it
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
If I had a TF or a Shen we would have raped =(
When jungling matters Shaco is one of those champs that don't bring the damage that makes me worry with any jungler I use. I don't generally worry about to many, the highest on my list are Xin, Garen, Trynd, Anivia, Ryze, and Vlad off the top of my head. Obviously it all depends on who I'm using.
I find the easiest champs to gank in the jungle though are Irelia, Amumu, Rammus and Trundle. Probably a few others but I don't care all that much at the moment. The hardest by far to effectively gank and keep under control are Udyr, Olaf, and Warwick. They all heal and are all tough champs to take down, Trundle and Rammus sometimes fall under this list since Trundle can block paths and Rammus can roll away but if they don't have those skills then they are generally easy to pick off. Udyr, Olaf and Warwick on the other hand are hard to kill from the start.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
Ionia has:
Irelia, Master Yi, Akali, Kennen, Ashe, Shen, Amumu, Udyr, Soraka and Ezreal
Noxus has:
Katarina, Vlad, Singed, Shaco, Morgana, Sion, Leblanc, Kog'Maw, Rammus and Miss Fortune
Nox has some decent champs, but basically it seems to me the one ban is Rammus, maybe Morgana. Rammus is the only pure tank for Nox, where Ionia has both Shen and Amumu, arguably two of the best tanks in the game.
Looking back at the list now, I also notice that neither side has much for support (save Soraka...heh). Pretty much is middle-damaging characters and a few carries.
Anyone else going to watch? I think it will be interesting.
every karthus is a dick
Boots or a new Doran's item.
supposedly pretty different from existing items in their classes. I would guesstimate they have activated abilities or something.
However, I think Noxus has a slight advantage due to the champions available if they make the right ban (Sheeeeeeeeeen, because it means Amumu has to jungle if he's picked, which you can take advantage of). Also, Rammus isn't the consensus ban here and if they stay flexible beforehand, they can adjust as necessary.
EDIT: I'm hoping for a new Doran's item. Hopefully mr+cdr or something.